An HFY Story : The Aggression Plague | 2381 ~Deathworld, War, Terran and Humans

[@Humuhumunukunukuapaa]

“I hate them not because they hate us but because they are incapable of good, honest, human hatred.” -Inquisitor Kryptman

[@Sanquinity]

Those pirates were raiding the friendship out of greed, not anger. So there's more concepts/emotions than just anger that these aliens don't understand.

[@Wastelandman7000]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure the Fellowship doesn't have organized crime either. Because its more than just greed. Its greed plus an unwillingness to work for what you're greedy for that drives crime and piracy.

[@christopherg2347]

"The exogalactics are running away from US?" "Close. They are running away from the POSSIBILTIY of us." Schlock Mercenary, Saturday May 4, 2019

[@Amoth_oth_ras_shash]

WHAAAAAG! how impolite here we come to offer good fight and they run , rude!

[@bigjay875]

They having trouble explaining anger just wait till they witness pure rage

[@Wastelandman7000]

Yep, kind of glad these Friendship types didn't see us go full Geneva Checklist. They don't seem like bad sorts. Just a bit emotionally crippled.

[@ianharrison5758]

Imagine them trying to understand the irrational rage we feel at everything from fumbling our keys after a long day to the existence of people we don’t and can’t fully understand or relate to yet feel as if we don’t even need to. If simple anger is confusing imagine trying to explain the cold hate and contempt we feel for those that act in ways we see as inhumane, tell a crowded room a good friend was beaten to a bloody pulp and died after being jumped and they’ll feel empathy. Tell the same story but say it was a pedophile or a nazi and the only people who aren’t satisfied by the news are more likely to be apologists for them or actively are one than someone who just doesn’t think they deserve it. Like the depths and dimensions are anger and our sleepovers disregard for our humanity are so varied that anger is such a basic surface level way of describing what our rage and related emotions actually feel like. I could say I’m angry at both the fact I died in fortnite and that healthcare isn’t free when we ain’t even choose to be born, and be right, I am angry at both concepts but the limits our definition of anger set somehow has a huge range of scope and intensity of feeling to the point a petty inconvenience Under stress and the reaction to something that violates a core aspects of our beliefs can be classified as the same emotion while adequately describing little about either specific feeling. The depth of emotional complexity Vs and the limits of Language has always fascinated me, but the idea of struggling to describe a feeling so varied and versatile doesn’t say good things abt the people strugglings emotional awareness, regulation, intensity and impulse control. It would be fun to have them try to explain how they think the loved ones of victims feel seeing the one who took someone they love from them. Probably”mildly disappointed and irritated”

[@clintcarpentier2424]

There was a time when LA had a power outage. The emergency services were inundated with calls asking if the silver cloud was responsible for the blackout. The "silver cloud" (smudge) was the Milky Way; the city at night is so brightly lit, that you can't see the stars, very frustrating for amateur stargazers.

[@Wastelandman7000]

That moment when you realize our whole species is Wolverine. "I'm the best there is at what I do. But, what I do isn't very pretty"

[@venoltar]

I get the impression the de-syncs are part of youtube's crusade against ad blockers. They prefer to punish the "innocent" rather than allow any "guilty" parties to get past them. Heck, I'm on premium, I just have ublock for other types of filtering (like hiding shorts from my feed) and they still slam me frequently.

[@bigjay875]

KZbin is @$$-hole!

[@genericuser984]

it's like they're actively trying to push people away from using their platform lol

[@jonnypena7651]

That is a think i like about revanced, bc I can remove a lot from the UI it perform better in my 6 years old smartphone.

[@bigjay875]

@@jonnypena7651 oh buddy your way more technology savvy than I. But good seeing folks fighting the good fight

[@jonnypena7651]

@@bigjay875 nah, I just take time to read, those apps are very straightforward, you install, and settings you have a list with off and on switch to clean you UI, give it a try.

[@jeanannd]

How a father tries to explain what happened and why they and others flee from humanity, even when humans don't intentionally try to do harm. An ET child, like any child trying to understand.

[@markuhler2664]

Me, with my Explosive Anger Disorder: "Sorry Lil Guy. Didn't mean to make you run."

[@larsharris]

One thing a Star Trek got mostly right. You find a planet with sapient life. You pull back. You try to learn WITHOUT being noticed, without changing a thing. Of course they trusted their equipment to go to surface, interact. After many months of distant observation. *minimum 2x as far in space as they got*. Then decide if contact. If the leaders you meet do not want contact. Leave for decade, try a different area.

[@syncringe1885]

Never thought I would hear the gaming company diss for youtube I'm laughing my ass off thanks for that Agro

[@mackenziedrake]

Am interesting way to tell the tale of the scary universe. I admit waiting for the moment the kid has the breakthrough moment of understanding his dad DIDN'T want or expect. Cool.

[@SilverMKI]

"Wait, so I can cause "accidents" and take people's stuff? Cool talk dad! Oh, would you just step into this airlock? Don't want word to get around about this!"

[@faithhellman402]

This story was so interesting, and the concept of aliens bot even being able to feel anger, is such a unique concept. Just like how they find it difficult to wrap their head around the co cept of anger, I too, find it difficult to wrap my head around the concept of not being able to experience anger. It’s a very intriguing thought, that’s for sure.

[@lucielm]

Humanity after the aliens left: Are we the baddies?

[@Furzkampfbomber]

Oh, come on. We even have the Geneva -checklist- suggestions and all that.

[@patrick_j_lee]

What a great story! I really liked the depth of the worldbuilding for the alien race that the father and son protagonists belong to. You don't usually get that kind of depth in HFY stories.

[@KamisamanoOtaku]

Sometimes, you need to avoid making your aliens _too_ alien. You want your reader to be able to understand your story, and you also want internal consistency; trying to make aliens _too_ different often runs afoul of such things. The question of "Could aliens exist who didn't experience anger?" is an interesting one, but our main character expressed variations of anger in the story. He was annoyed (angry) he had to explain the concept of anger to his young son, and was disappointed (angry) at what it may cost him.

[@soveless963]

Had I not been checking, I would not have seen that your back! So happy to see you return!

[@MidnightSmoke]

that is a good dad there. Here is a like and comment for the story, for entertaining me, to help your channel grow, to appease the KZbin algorithm demon, and get you the recognition you deserve.

[@RealArcalian]

Greetings, Mentlegent! For the Rhyhtm that is Algo So youtube is being difficult, eh? What a surprise. Definitely HASO. Yeah, we're like that. Edit: props to the writer for showing an alien perspective!

[@leonievanheerden7090]

Oh for the love of "blankety" spaces and the moody algorithm.....there, I've smashed the like button.What we won't do for the Squirrel and writers of excellent stories 👽❣️

[@joseglenn20]

The Smudge it's the Milky Way Galaxy.

[@erickamekonapeper4007]

I refuse to go anywhere blank spots or not! You have my loyalty and care thank you again for everything! You make my day excellent thank you! ❤️🖖🏼🇺🇸

[@merlinathrawes746]

A father teaching a son some truly horrific facts of life. I'd hate for him to have to explain what a "deathworld" is.

[@talyn3932]

I hate people trying to explain deathworlds. Its an overdone concept at this point. A trope taken too far.

[@NXTangl]

How in the hell did any of these species develop a society without an instinct for spite? Spite isn't a nice instinct, but the strategy of retaliation makes betrayal strategies a net loss and therefore allows cooperation strategies to dominate. It's basic game theory.

[@melkiorwiseman5234]

I think you're missing one of the most important points. To the type A1 aliens, "cooperation" isn't a concept that they needed because it was just the way they operated naturally. Without selfishness, cooperation isn't something you even think about all that much. It's just "the way things are, naturally," if you even think about it at all.

[@Ryvaken]

@@melkiorwiseman5234 Except we see desire and possessiveness in the boy. OP is correct, this society could not develop, these creatures could not function.

[@julesmasseffectmusic]

Spite is not an instinct it's an emotion. They are not the same thing. No other animal does spite, and I am an aussie, if we don't have spiteful animals nobody does. Magpies will attack the same person on sight for generations even on first meeting. That isn't because they are spiteful that's because you have been flagged a threat and magpies spread the word for several miles.

[@seraphwithatank6535]

KZbin: is a soul sucking corporation. Content creators on youtube: and I took that personally.

[@DeranRoute-vu5jy]

Algorithm take my like as a sacrifice and comment as a sacrifice.

[@WingManFang1]

Also this music was so fitting for an alien Father Son talk.

[@justinsmith5870]

It's like a children's muppet show script gone off the rails.

[@allenmorgan1007]

For the Algorithm, for the Author(s), for the Holographic Voice!

[@SilverMKI]

I would always refresh for content.

[@BatalionHunter]

"why didn't they eat each other?" humans be 'poisonous' for humans to eat.

[@Pebkio_Nomare]

A thing only predators would have the opportunity to learn.

[@AFancyApe]

ya, and the poison is the worst disease ever, prions

[@peterbonucci9661]

​@@Pebkio_Nomareto run.

[@deussalt4479]

For the Agro-rythm!

[@Tragisk100]

i hate that i forget the like and comment on most videos. i love em all

[@bloodcult5262]

I don't mind black spots, your all good

[@SiegeTF]

There is no such thing as innocence, there are only degrees of guilt.

[@WingManFang1]

So basically they got on generation ships and flew out of the galaxy to the void between galaxies while we humans fought ourselves? Damn.

[@Ryvaken]

Given the father's ignorance I'd assume the galaxy has been at peace for a generation or two.

[@EanGrimes-yz2yd]

Love the content

[@mattbrown5511]

Wait until xeno Dad has to explain Wrath. That which devours everything, has no conscience and can only burn itself out of existence. Wrath is 6 forms of extremely aggressive cancer compared to a common cold when one mentions Anger.

[@Dragonbear13-k2r]

The author really has called us humans out on the shame we own being the monsters we truly are. Imagine a whole galaxy working to get away from us because we are so terrible as a specie. Worse yet, imagine a galaxy working so hard to exterminate us as a horrible specie akin to a plague!

[@outrider425]

meh the aliens are just softy’s that would’ve never made it on earth

[@t.p.3456]

For the algorithm 👽👾🤖🌌🛰🚀🛸🌠

[@TheDurid1]

This part of a series of stories? I seem to remember a story about the pirate attack and anti-pirate response.

[@trentberry6968]

Love this guy lol

[@devil8975]

Play at 1.25x. You'll thank me later.

[@Alex.H.B.1970something]

Bravo Sir Encore!

[@josefhyatt2780]

I love your voices of the different characters! F AI!!!!

[@allanfitz3535]

For the algorithm.

[@Amoth_oth_ras_shash]

and then it turns out the terrans government did not fracture , it was just multiple rock and metal band tours at the same time happening along with some raider gangs exploiting the stretched thin police patrol situation ;)

[@RustyEcks]

CLICKETY CLICK!!! WITH ENERGY!!!

[@selador11]

Would someone please explain the 'smudge'. And how they are 'outside of it'? Oh, and, For The Agrorithm!

[@derekstein6193]

"The Smudge" is the Milky Way galaxy. They appear to be living in permanent, void-spacecraft that they inhabit beyond the galactic rim.

[@selador11]

@@derekstein6193 Thank you! That was my impression as well. Why I brought it up though, is because if they were sitting in the void between galaxies, their sky would STILL be full of stars. And the milky way would not be just a smudge. Otherwise we would see the stars in our own milky way, but everything else would be just a smudge if we could see anything at all. The void between does not cloud our vision of other galaxies. So I am forced to wonder if they have somehow set themselves slightly outside our dimension, or something...

[@leightondoswell453]

Thanks for not filling your stories with add like some of the channels on here Argo you rock.

[@peterhacke6317]

I dislike the idea of calling anger, or any emotion for that matter, illogical. We usually feel anger towards entities that harmed us. And anger drives us to put them in a state, where they won't be able to inflict harm on other again. Which sounds entirely reasonable to me. Now of course that does not mean that all anger i justified, because like all things evolve, they work somehow, but not perfect. I'm just against calling the entire emotion wrong.

[@KamisamanoOtaku]

S'why I lost respect for Vulcans in Star Trek. Seemed so cool as a kid, then Inrwalized emotions are a kind of biological feedback. Yes, sometimes we feel things that are inappropriate, but even that is useful data to let us know something is wrong. Beyond that, it is all about responding in the correct manner to one's emotions. Vulcans, then, are actually rather illogical; supress all emotions, rather than actually mastering them.

[@Wastelandman7000]

I agree. Anger is a survival response that inverts fear into aggression. Because aggression is sometimes the appropriate survival response. Think about shrews. They're so cranky they make wolverines look chill. They're also so small they can't cause predators to back off by their size or strength. So they do it by sheer ferocity. Wolverines are like this too and even full grown grizzly bears won't take on an angry wolverine. Humans have no claws or fangs. We aren't even particularly strong compared to our closest analogs in the chimps. So we compensate for our natural weakness by large doses of rip and tear. Controlled anger has its place in the human psyche.

[@derekstein6193]

Anger is illogical, as logic is not necessary to feel or direct anger. Now you CAN use logic in conjunction with anger, but that is a learned behavior. Young children feel and act on anger without thought all the time. Another toddler at the daycare picked up and started playing with a toy you wanted to play with? Odds are you bit them without giving any more thought than "mine!" Where is the logic in that? Anger can be used logically, but the emotion in itself does not require higher thought, as aggression is ridiculously common in many non-sapient animal species. You can try to use logic to explain (or even justify) actions derived from anger, but that does not automatically render the emotion or its expressions reasonable or logical.

[@KamisamanoOtaku]

@@derekstein6193 I disagree with your basic premise. One doesn't need to understand the logic behind something for it to exist, nor does faulty logic cause something to cease to be. To properly understand logic, one must recognize that we (humans) are finite, fallible beings. There are things we don't understand in this universe, most likely things we _can't_ understand, and things we may never even be able to observe. *The universe is "alogical"* in the sense that, regardless of whether humans understand the "why", things happen. If anything, that emotions are experienced even by beasts should let you know that they are indeed biological feedback. And like any biology, there's room for failure as nothing is perfect. Meaning, you can experience an emotion when it doesn't make sense you'd feel it, just as you can see something that isn't there due to an optical illusion or hallucination. Humans just get to add psychology onto biology as a potential cause for feeling an emotion when it isn't logical. *Getting to your example* there is a crude logic in the toddler situation you described. And "crude" is appropriate because we're dealing with beings early in their development! *Toddler A* wants _thing._ *Toddler B* has _thing._ In an attempt to obtain _thing_ Toddler A bites Toddler B. Perhaps Toddler A knows that being bitten _hurts_ and that is why it chose that method of attack. Or perhaps, due to biting being part of eating, and eating being a way of satiating hunger, Toddler A resorts to it hoping it can satiate _anger._ Even if Toddler A bit Toddler B, seemingly at random, there could still be a logical reason for it *but* we don't have all the data so we might never be able to discover it.

[@beansworth5694]

The logic of the universe is simply that of cause and effect: consequences, even for effects we have no reason of discerning the multitude of causes for. Formalized logic does not exist in nature, it exists when thinking systems invent it for the sake of using the promise of its stability to leverage our cognitive efforts elsewhere. "Nonsensical" is what most people mean when they call something illogical, because really all you need to do to make any statement or idea logical is to alter your priors to that of the person who sincerely believes in it, then it'll be quite easy to logically step yourself into their conclusion or state of mind driving their behavior. Something not being able to be squared up with your priors, your own worldview, is what can even give you the impression of an idea not having any sort of logic to it. I guess another way someone might call something "illogical" in respect to ideas or experiences is if they lack the imagination to come up with priors that could lead them there logically. All emotions are nonsensical to those not currently experiencing them, or with any way of comprehending the surrounding context which drives them. An alien calling our culture and experiences nonsensical is perfectly reasonable when you consider us doing that all the time when regarding each other.

[@powegger2]

Black spots its not my do.....404 narrator not found :( JK played fine

[@green1400]

For the algorithm

[@genericuser984]

cool

[@Shadow.Dragon]

Great story; Excellent narration! So what makes the Friendship think that their destination is not going to the full of A3 races?

[@PoldaranOfDalaran]

Piracy isn't the result of anger, though. Wrong deadly sin.

[@kurtismiller9544]

For DA SKWERL and his Nest. May the algorithm get it's crap straightened out

[@leightondoswell453]

Faking adds on KZbin thank you argo for not making it so we have a million in your stories

[@henryshelbyjr9953]

😢

[@blehbleh8552]

I wonder how many A2s stuck around?

[@charlesashton6273]

😉

[@TheRealInscrutable]

200K

[@Kirsten2933]

Like 719

[@christinepearson5788]

Zuck tube is screwing all the creator's of decent content lately. For the Algorithm

[@archer_of_azure]

Blank spots?

[@talyn3932]

Pretty narrow view of emotions in some way. No species that evolves with natural selection as stated would not have competetive instincts... Emotions are a spectrum so they would still have access to the entire emotional spectrum. Even humans have undefined or uncategorized emotions from time to time. We feel "off" or emotionally unstable. Additionally... hate and anger are unrelated. Hate can drive anger but it is not anger. Hate is in the same wavelength as Love. So an alien capable of love is fully capable of hate. Greed is also confused for anger. Piracy is greed and ambition driven, not anger. They hint at a desire for lust too... also an aggresive emotion. Come to think of it, the fater feared reprisal from a clutchmate... only anger could fuel that reaction and the pettiness of canceling an event over it. All in all... we all as a species of individuals feel things differently. Some people are born with anger issues and others develop them. We are also able to age into calm. I would honestly be more worried about a species that is emotionally stunted. What kind of decisions could be made without the lessons of lesser acts triggering small emotions? Atrocities by inches without any emotional impact.

[@arshiaashabyamin61]

Meow

[@stratometal]

I find this one unpleasant and ridiculous in a bad way.

[@robertmarsh5322]

hmm, good sci fi. Bad explanation of anger. To spit ball something better "A drive to correct a perceived wrong, by any means. The stronger the emotion the more it over rides rational thought and limits possible remedies toward primal, animal instinct. Violence." Expand some on how something perceived can vary and how misplaced anger can prevent more reasoned and clear perception resulting in a feed back loop? good potential, missed the shot.

[@leothenomad4855]

It was a bad explanation of anger because it came from a being with no real world experience with the emotion, only a theoretical one, I think the bad explanation was part of the story.

[@merlinwizard1000]

4th, 30 April 2024