An interesting generalised integration result: int 1/(1+x^s)^s from 0 to infinity

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This was quite a fascinating integral and the results were fun to derive. Let me know in the comments section in case you find more cool results for this generalised result.

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@marcellomarianetti1770
@marcellomarianetti1770 Жыл бұрын
The golden ratio one having 1 as result caught me off guard
@MatthisDayer
@MatthisDayer Жыл бұрын
hello complex man
@rockthemegaman2760
@rockthemegaman2760 Жыл бұрын
Played around a bit more, if you set s = a positive integer n > 1, You can get a fairly nice structure of a rational number * pi/sin(pi/n). so whenever sin(pi/n) has a nice value, so will the integral. You can get it down to { (n^2-1-n)(n^2-1-2n)(n^2-1-3n)...(n^2-1-(n-1)n) * pi } / [ n^n * gamma(n) * sin(pi/n) ]. I don't know a nice way to simplify the numerator without going back to the nasty gamma(icky)/gamma(yucky) structure you start with. Think my personal favorite is n = 6 giving the value of 124729pi/559872 which happens to be extremely close to 0.7
@maths_505
@maths_505 Жыл бұрын
Now that's the kind of comment I wanted!
@Abdalrhman_Kilesee
@Abdalrhman_Kilesee Жыл бұрын
Marvellous man I really appreciate you and what you’re doing
@Maths_3.1415
@Maths_3.1415 Жыл бұрын
Cornel Ioan Vălean (Almost) Impossible Integrals, Sums, and Series With foreword by Paul J. Nahin Try this book for integrals
@rockthemegaman2760
@rockthemegaman2760 Жыл бұрын
Missed opportunity to simply the s = delta case to 1/sqrt(2) which is even prettier.
@maths_505
@maths_505 Жыл бұрын
Oh that is nice too.
@Kapomafioso
@Kapomafioso Жыл бұрын
The case for the golden ratio made me drop my jaw. Not even Mathematica simplifies that (the result I get is (1/phi)*Gamma(1/phi) / Gamma(phi), which it won't simplify further even if I do FullSimplify). But it is indeed equal to 1. Fascinating!
@rockthemegaman2760
@rockthemegaman2760 Жыл бұрын
Back at it several weeks later. But i realized randomly today why the phi and delta examples work so well. It's because they satisfy 1/s = s-1 for phi and 1/s = s-2 for delta and allow you to use the recursion on gamma to get rid of the nasty bits. So if we take the solution for 1/s = s-n for some positive integer n, we can get some nice results (can't do negative integers bc that would make s less than 1, which makes the integral diverge). Such solutions are s = [n+sqrt(n^2+4)]/2 (note we can't take the other solution bc it's negative and again, the integral diverges). This family of niceness gives rational answers for odd n and rational numbers times a square root for even n. Specifically, even n: integral = Sqrt(n^2+4) Gamma(n) 2^(n/2) / [(n^2+4)(n^2+4-2^2)(n^2+4-4^2)...(n^2+4-(n-2)^2)(n^2+4-n^2)] odd n: integral = Gamma(n) 2^(n+1/2)/ [(n^2+4-1^2)(n^2+4-3^2)(n^2+4-5^2)...(n^2+4-(n-2)^2)(n^2+4-n^2)] I'm 99.9% sure there's no more nice answers this time.
@maths_505
@maths_505 Жыл бұрын
Nice one bro
@manstuckinabox3679
@manstuckinabox3679 Жыл бұрын
Sorry mister Maths 505, my brain is screaming keyhole contour, I must follow my complex instincts. edit: I tried it, didn't work for me.
@Decrupt
@Decrupt Жыл бұрын
I had the same thought
@Maths_3.1415
@Maths_3.1415 Жыл бұрын
13:46 now differentiate it
@maths_505
@maths_505 Жыл бұрын
The proof is left as an exercise to the viewer "Laughs in evil math author"
@thewolverine7516
@thewolverine7516 Жыл бұрын
​@@maths_505Fermat's reference.... Lol
@Maths_3.1415
@Maths_3.1415 Жыл бұрын
​@@maths_505lol 😂
@ThAlEdison
@ThAlEdison Жыл бұрын
Just spitballing, might've made a mistake Let a=(n+sqrt(n^2+4))/2 be a solution to x^2-nx-1=0 where n is a natural number>1. Then I_a=(n-1)!(a^(n-1))/((a+1)...((n-1)a+1)) a^2=na+1 (ka+1)((n-k)a+1)=((n-k)ka^2+na+1)=((kn-k^2)a^2+a^2)=(kn-k^2+1)a^2=b_k*a^2 and (n/2)a+1=(n^2+4+nsqrt(n^2+4))/4=(sqrt(n^2+4)/2)(n+sqrt(n^2+4))/2=(sqrt(n^2+4)/2)a So for odd-n I_a=(n-1)!/(b_1*...*b_(n-1)/2) where b_k=kn-k^2+1 even-n I_a=(n-1)!/((b_1*...*b_(n-2)/2))*sqrt((n/2)^2+1)) I_(1+sqrt(2))=1/sqrt(2) I_((3+sqrt(13))/2)=2/3 I_(2+sqrt(5))=6/5sqrt(5) I_((5+sqrt(29))/2)=24/35 I_((3+sqrt(10))=2sqrt(10)/9 I_((7+sqrt(53))/2)=720/1001
@minamagdy4126
@minamagdy4126 Жыл бұрын
For s
@francis6888
@francis6888 10 ай бұрын
8:38 you could have factored out the sqrt2 from the gamma in the numerator
@anestismoutafidis4575
@anestismoutafidis4575 Жыл бұрын
Intg from 0 to infinite => Intg [(1+x^s)^(-s+1)/-s+1 •dx] +D={s(N)\ 0; 1}
@ikarienator
@ikarienator Жыл бұрын
1+1/(1+sqrt2)=sqrt(2). In the end you get 1/sqrt(2)
@natepolidoro4565
@natepolidoro4565 Жыл бұрын
I_delta = 1/sqrt(2) actually
@jhulioux
@jhulioux 8 ай бұрын
THE BEST VIDEO I'VE EVER WATCHED!
@Maths_3.1415
@Maths_3.1415 Жыл бұрын
Nice video bro :)
@saiajaygarine6382
@saiajaygarine6382 Жыл бұрын
Me: wondering what is s here‽ Maths 505: cool, we did it.😅
@maths_505
@maths_505 Жыл бұрын
This video was sponsored by Complex Man
@holyshit922
@holyshit922 Жыл бұрын
It looks like Beta function For certain values of s like s integer or s golden ratio can be calculated by parts sGamma(s) can be simplified further
@parasgaur1856
@parasgaur1856 Жыл бұрын
I ask of you to give me the list of the books you studied from. Pre-Pre-calc To Today. Please 😊
@natepolidoro4565
@natepolidoro4565 Жыл бұрын
Cool video.
@maths_505
@maths_505 Жыл бұрын
Thanks
@shoshohoms5180
@shoshohoms5180 Жыл бұрын
How the limits of integration didn't change when s is a complex number
@Kapomafioso
@Kapomafioso Жыл бұрын
BTW I'm pretty sure the original integral won't converge for s = i. The integral is fine around x = 0, but for x -> oo, you need Re(s^2) > 1. I guess the formula involving Beta/Gamma serves as the analytic continuation of the original function...
@maths_505
@maths_505 Жыл бұрын
Ofcourse one can always take it to be the limit as Re(s) approaches zero from the right. That's pretty much what advanced calculus is all about; if something ain't working, pop in a limit😂
@Kapomafioso
@Kapomafioso Жыл бұрын
@@maths_505 Yeah but Re(s) needs to be >1, so Re(s) approaching zero won't do much either I think...
@maths_505
@maths_505 Жыл бұрын
Oh its perfectly fine don't worry....how else do you think we got the derivative of the Dirichlet eta function at s=1😂 That's a good video btw....check it out I'm sure you'll like it
@maths_505
@maths_505 Жыл бұрын
It was part of the evaluation of int lnx/(1+e^x) from zero to infinity
@Kapomafioso
@Kapomafioso Жыл бұрын
@@maths_505 Not sure how the Dirichlet eta relates to this integral, but since you mentioned it...from the structure of the series definition, it clearly converges for s > 0. You can use alternating series test to prove that. The derivative of the series also converges for s > 0 (you have to prove a very similar statement with log(k) / k^s instead of just 1/k^s, but the terms still go to zero while alternating in sign). From this, I don't see how s = 1 is a problematic point as far as the derivative goes, since it is deeply into the region of the convergence. The derivative is well defined and calculable from the series which converges at s = 1... ...unlike the integral in this video, which outright does not exist at s = i, so the result expressed via Gamma functions is an extension.
@erfanmohagheghian707
@erfanmohagheghian707 Жыл бұрын
I sub delta simplifies to 1/sqrt(2)
@giuseppemalaguti435
@giuseppemalaguti435 Жыл бұрын
I=(1/s)B(1/s,s-1/s)
@MrWael1970
@MrWael1970 Жыл бұрын
This is Fascinating. Thank you.
@nicogehren6566
@nicogehren6566 Жыл бұрын
very nice
@d.h.y
@d.h.y Жыл бұрын
Awesome!! Does this hold for whole s \in \mathbb{C} ?
@extatix809
@extatix809 Жыл бұрын
0:09
@d.h.y
@d.h.y Жыл бұрын
@@extatix809 Oh, I missed that part. Thanks!
@thewolverine7516
@thewolverine7516 Жыл бұрын
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@maths_505
@maths_505 Жыл бұрын
I'm gonna start a second channel in a couple of months where I'll upload formal lectures in complex analysis and differential equations with more courses to come.
@thewolverine7516
@thewolverine7516 Жыл бұрын
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@herbertdiazmoraga7258
@herbertdiazmoraga7258 Жыл бұрын
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