An Interesting Legal Question With Judge Boyd

Wild Court

[@barelyasurvivor1257]

judge Boyd is starting to be one of my favorite's to watch

[@norarivkis2513]

She's terrific. Runs a tight ship but cares about everyone involved in every case.

[@Tindometari]

Every time I see a Judge Boyd clip, I look to see whether I've seen today's handbag before. Hasn't happened yet.

[@icantbemanaged]

@@Tindometari ha ha me too. I watch her daily. Always something good coming from her court room

[@bobbisteele9264]

“Here’s the thing….”

[@dragonfly2258]

​@Tindometari OMG ME TOO!!! she must have a 1000xs I've started trying to guess the flavor of the week

[@StephenMintz]

Rule of Evidence 954: Under these circumstances, courts say that “the sins of the attorney must not be visited on the client so long as the client has acted reasonably in its belief that its counsel is, in fact, an attorney.” Some jurisdictions say that attorney-client privilege applies under these circumstances only if the client’s belief was reasonable. US vs Tyler: 745 F. Supp. 423 (W.D. Mich. 1990)

[@MarianBaney-fj1zk]

Unless of course the cartel is involved

[@billyjones6626]

​@@MarianBaney-fj1zk wow.

[@JasonP6339]

Sounds..... Reasonable. It seems like a no-brainer question really. The protection comes from assumption on the clients side. It might be different if common for every attorney to show their license, but it definitely isn't. All the average public goes off of is their word.

[@jarrodmelson7802]

Good comment, thank you for the insight.

[@susanengel-ix8bl]

Ah, a scholar.😊

[@susandarnell4524]

Judge Boyd is so careful about not violating anyone's rights. She is awesome

[@thedave1771]

So judgey.

[@kelliatlarge]

I love her mode. She will not tolerate shenanigans from either side.

[@CindyCockerham]

I worked for a Texas state law maker for years. I learned that in the Hispanic community in my part of the state, there are people who present themselves as "abogados" and give legal advice, although they are not licensed attorneys. I encountered them in mainly immigration cases. The clients did not understand the difference between someone licensed to practice law in the US and someone who just helped fill out paperwork.

[@thomasb7347]

So these abogados, do they present themselves as Spanish? In such a case could you call them.....Abogados from mexico!" Ba dum tiss

[@kelliatlarge]

​@@thomasb7347 what

[@paixamourchanel9084]

Scammers do it in their communities with taxes as well. Even if the person is not here legally, they are required to file tax returns if working. Many in the communities follow this law but still fear mainstream tax preparers. The scammers usually get to them through use of the term or meeting victims at iglesias.

[@jason.larsenthedanishgreek1226]

It's pretty laughable how gullible they are. Go to SCIENTOLOGY AUDIT and you'll see they SPECIFICALLY target that community. I wonder why 😂

[@The_Nerdy_God]

If i may explain “abogado” means lawyer in spanish. So, it might be prudent to clarify that on all spanish speaking countries, a person that studied and graduated from law school are lawyers or abogados (spanish)

[@katiem1553]

I'm dangerously close to learning something here. You're on thin ice, Gravlin!

[@00o41]

A few weeks ago a guy was seen questioning jurors out in the hall. Judge Boyd was asking him why. The guy claimed he was a federal employee. Judge continued to question him and the guy was sketchy. He said he did have case so the clerk took his details and then the judge had the bailiff escort the guy out of the court house. The female defense attorney today was in the court when the incident happened a few weeks ago.. She then said to the judge that she was currently looking into some visits that her client had gotten from a guy claiming to be an attorney and she wondered if it were the same guy. The judge said that she had told the bailiff to take a picture of the guy before removing him from the courthouse and said she should get a copy of the picture for her investigations. I guess now we know that this so called federal employee was a fake.

[@binderkim]

Thank you for the info!!!

[@marylogansutherland901]

I was wondering if this was about that guy!

[@michaelmcgrath6827]

So it was the same guy.

[@r-aandrew2901]

Ah, I was hoping we would find out more about that one.

[@ostlandr]

OMG this is THAT GUY???

[@catherinelynnfraser2001]

Fascinating discussion. Judge Boyd is crystal clear.

[@UKbrownSkinBoy]

"From an undisclosed location...." Under the stairs.

[@carriemann2128]

Glad I'm not the only one not sleeping. It's storming here in Kentucky. Good snuggle down weather. Love Judge Boyd. Her statements are always so well thought out and insightful.

[@eugene4154]

I am in perth Australia with temps in the high 30°c and upto 44°c, omw its hot

[@Jurassthicc.snarks]

I'm from Kentucky; I miss the thunderstorms. 😢

[@johnrodwell2281]

I live in Kentucky. Live in Nicholasville, work in Lexington/nich/Versailles/Winchester/Wilmore. The storms here are excellent. Been a nice steady rain all night.

[@jacksondaniels007]

It just means him & his team works when a lot of others sleep, my theory is that they're cyborgs taking ovr jk

[@503Aquatics]

Gladstone, Oregon. Just wind and rain. 😂

[@theresam2414]

Aww Mike, don't say you have nothing. Everyone loves Judge Boyd ( Stephanie not Melissa) and so a video like this where she yet again sets the bar with her fairness, kindness, common sense and professionalism is like an umbrella on a rainy day, an oasis in the dessert. Thanks for showing it, its gold.

[@Mochi-x1z]

It may not have gotten worse like everyone wanted but I think this was really interesting. I would love to know what happens.

[@UncleDansVintageVinyl]

Judge Boyd arrived at a very thoughtful handling of the issue. On a policy level, it makes sense to recognize the attorney-client privilege existing if the client (suspect, defendant) reasonably believes that the person holding themselves out as a lawyer is a lawyer. Otherwise, an unscrupulous prosecutor or just some unscrupulous person could elicit damaging statements from a defendant or suspect by pretending to be that person's lawyer.

[@ostlandr]

I was just thinking that myself. The friend or relative of a LEO or DA pretends to be the defendant's lawyer, and gets all the dirt on the case. Totally not cool.

[@norarivkis2513]

Boy, Judge Boyd has to lead this defense attorney by the hand to the conclusion that she shouldn't be sharing this information too freely with the prosecutor yet!! She should have picked up on that immediately and fought to keep it away from the prosecution until it's clear that they're allowed to have it.

[@Vaelosh466]

Yeah I was surprised when the defense attorney said "well it's probably not privileged." Even if that's what she thinks she should be saying "Well judge I need time to do research and until we've got more information and made our motions we should treat the information as privileged, because if we don't and realize we should have it will do irreparable harm to my client, whereas there's effectively no harm to the state if we wait for a future ruling to release it to them."

[@norarivkis2513]

@@Vaelosh466 Yes, exactly. *They don't know yet,* and until they know exactly what her client does and doesn't have a right to, she has no business giving away anything.

[@Mewse1203]

I kmow! I was flabbergasted by that. She was literally saying it wouldn't be privileged which is Bonkers from a defense attorney point of view. As a defense attorney you don't want anybody seeing shit your client said to anybody as much as possible.

[@anada303]

His attorney should have caught that. She was ready to let the state review them without even determining if he's entitled to privilege. Judge doing the defense attorney's job.

[@russell2952]

It's sad that the judge had to bring up the attorney-client privilege and that the prosecution shouldn't see anything until that's made clear. The defense attorney should have been right on top of that.

[@Mewse1203]

What's really odd is the defense attorney was trying to say that it wouldn't be privileged which is Bonkers from a defense point of view. A defense attorney that's good would have brought it up, not the judge.

[@Outnumberedbykidsandcats]

@@Mewse1203yeah its crazy - I wouldn’t want her defending me

[@WonderWhatHappened]

I'm still asleep but my subconscious decided to watch this pronto.

[@rachelf3625]

No temper tantrums or chair throwing?? What kind of court is this???😂😂

[@thedave1771]

The defendant didn’t even inadvertently confess to other felonies. Why even have court?

[@seantimmons5900]

Perhaps he's only a freeman of the sea.

[@barelyasurvivor1257]

@@seantimmons5900 Live your phrase! Have a virtual cookie.

[@franciswhite4032]

There's a potentially much bigger problem. There appears to be recordings of conversations that took place between someone who identified himself as a Defendant's attorney and the Defendant.

[@ostlandr]

Good catch!

[@thedave1771]

Where exactly did these recordings come from though?

[@seantimmons5900]

Am I missing something? I thought that was the problem as stated in the video. Not sure why it's much bigger while being what it is?

[@PitifulDelay]

@seantimmons5900 So, the problem being *addressed* in the video is determining whether these conversations would be considered privileged. Does attorney/client privilege apply when one party isn't actually an attorney? The problem that this person is bringing up is that a person's conversations with their attorney is considered privileged. It's my understanding that they're not allowed to be recorded to begin with. I don't know. Maybe the jails can't just turn off the recording and they simply get marked as attorney calls and don't get monitored.

[@seantimmons5900]

@PitifulDelay Oh! No idea how I didn't catch that. I wild figure one of two things... she didn't tell the staff she was a lawyer or they couldn't turn off audio. I would hope it's the former because the latter could lead to serious shenanigans.

[@davident1]

I am not sure how the interpreter was doing it but I have never seen a quicker dual-language hearing in my life.

[@pendragon3434]

Mind-blowing how fast the interpreter is going if that's real time.

[@davident1]

@@pendragon3434 Agreed

[@lisawatson9570]

Ikr. 😂😂

[@bethturner106]

It was a nice surprise to get this so early on a Saturday morning. Almost shirt weather in Ontario. Love this show.

[@LawTalkWithMike]

Awww thank you

[@clairewyndham1971]

Same here in Wisconsin

[@melgibbons9874]

I’m loving our early spring summer weather in Ontario.

[@sarahhorowitz1915]

Must be nice to live in Canada. Can a 37-yr-old get adopted? 🙏🏼

[@jasonmcmillan6598]

I’m no lawyer, however, the concept of justice would suggest that if a descendent legitimately thought they were talking to a lawyer or similar officer of the court. Then they would assume they were free to talk openly. If a person represented themselves as an attorney, that’s not the fault of defendant. I also agree it should be the judge who looks into this - ultimately the judge is the one who’s gonna have to make the decision anyway.

[@Zonnymaka]

Easiest traslation ever:"If you didn't talk to a real attorney, you're F...Ked up, amigo"

[@beck775]

Hi from Australia, I might be wrong, but I think this may involve that weird guy in the grey 3 piece suit that Judge Boyd kicked out of the court house a few weeks ago🤔🤔❤️❤️🇦🇺🇦🇺

[@anneirenej]

Oh that was fascinating. A question of law. Judge Boyd is so wise and considerate. This was a great video!

[@davidbamford1971]

Its a kidnapping case, he is charged with 3 others for kidnapping an 18 year old man for ransom.

[@rominegriffith9409]

Another satisfying episode with Judge Boyd.. thanks Mike

[@Not_that_kind_of_Dr]

Most of you dont know this but Mike's "secret location" is in Aruba where he's doing some "sensitive" financial transactions on special appearance for the natural human on the land non-corporate non-all-caps Mike.

[@ostlandr]

I am suing you for attempted murder! That almost made me choke to death on my mac & cheese! 😉 🤣

[@Tindometari]

Er, that would be :mike: ::flamingo-father:: of thee family ::gravlin::, thank you.

[@lisawatson9570]

😂😂😂

[@tracywynn7319]

Sometimes interesting is good too. This was the learning part I guess. And everybody loves Judge Boyd. So while “it gets worse” is fun, and “deez nutz” can’t be rivaled this was interesting and I enjoyed it anyway

[@StephenMintz]

California: An attorney is anyone duly licensed to practice law in California-OR anyone the client reasonably believes is an attorney. So, for example, if you share confidential information about your case with someone claiming to be an attorney who ends up not being licensed, that person is still bound by the attorney-client privilege.

[@xxskizzumxx]

So do we know what happened in this case? Did someone try to act like they were his attorney to get a confession?

[@xxskizzumxx]

@laninthomasma8814 lul

[@Tindometari]

​@laninthomasma8814 Good joke, but more seriously ... A licensed attorney can face professional discipline up to and including disbarment for violating attorney-client privilege. What does the person in a case like that, who isn't an actual attorney but is bound by the privilege, catch for violating it?

[@DaTruff4real]

I love waking up to LTwM content on a weekend!

[@lauxmyth]

This is an interesting legal bind I had not pondered. Being in Canada, the precedents will differ. In a general sense, if somebody come forward as legal counsel but was not, the client could say ‘too much’. Not a flashy video but interesting.

[@QbutNotTheQ]

They just all have to pretend that they aren’t now aware that the guys totally guilty.

[@JosieMyers-i7k]

I love how she was considerate of spring break when she was setting the recall date! ❤

[@csh43166]

This was a bit too early for me this morning... LOL!! I'm catching up with the day's videos now. Love Judge Boyd! She's insightful, fair, tough when she needs to be and really knows her stuff!!

[@barelyasurvivor1257]

All right Mike where did that calm and rational discussion come from? I expected bodies piled high and screaming and yelling! Not this calm example of the Law.

[@ostlandr]

I love Judge Boyd. She's one of those good ones. I would say that, if the defendant believed in good faith that this person was an attorney, then the communications should be covered by attorney-client privilege. Unfortunately, the Law and Justice are currently going through a very messy divorce in this country. (Anybody requoting that, please credit me, as it's original.)

[@Cdumps21]

I can't wait to see the "abogado" guy on trial. He pretended to be a lawyer and talked to jurors making Judge Boyd dismiss a whole jury that was ready to go

[@terrillcampbell673]

Is there an update on this case

[@Conkerin]

I always enjoy Judge Boyd, she tries to cover all the bases.

[@mindybunny]

Judge Boyd is fantastic.

[@terrymbridges]

Judge Boyd always leaves her handbag on the counter, visible to the camera. Love it

[@PaulSmith-zi3sn]

Judge Boyd is my favorite !!!

[@davident1]

This was a good palate cleanser for D's Nuts. LOL

[@chrysteemason]

What a nice way to wake up!

[@cerebraltackle]

But detectives also lie (allowed to)...if one has "reviewed" any of the questionable material and even slightly thinks he understands it - TOSS IT! Period!

[@patriciacyphers6668]

I love judge boyd, she is tough but fair! She seems to have a good relationship with her staff. I want to watch the movies they talk about. A question her " twilight of my life" comments though! Lol

[@krystenburkhardt-hansyn]

I feel it should still be client-attorney privilege. It’s not the defendants fault.

[@victoriasloan524]

Judge, you have the most beautiful flowers and vases. I bet your garden is something to behold.❤

[@arlysveen706]

She says they are mostly from her mother. Judge Boyd does not buy any.

[@JESSES_CURIOUSLY_CURIOUS]

Bag Lady. 🎒 on top of bag fashion is the Judge

[@vwspeedracer]

A Lucy-with-the-football moment.

[@webstercarole5]

Judge Boyd is so fare my most favourite judge ❤

[@brchudson]

Judge Boyd for President

[@zakksrage]

With a good lawyer this is grounds for dismissal

[@DawnRoper-m3u]

It’s 5:34 right now in CA Nd just had to wake up to watch this!😢😂

[@davident1]

I am not a lawyer, but I think privilege should attach or everything the defendant said in confidence would be open for anybody to review.

[@Famous-Potatoes]

He can speak English just fine. See, Si, Sea, C

[@stephannielee2182]

We don’t always need “ugly”!

[@Hylian_Mew_]

Someone in the comments already explained in detail what happened at an earlier date, but if anyone is interested, courtcamtv actually has the video from the day they found this man talking to the jurors and set off this ripple effect.

[@icantbemanaged]

I found this to be interesting as well when I was watching it live. It would be nice to know your thoughts on what happens in the matter of a person acting like a attorney when clearly they are not

[@bobengelhardt856]

Boy, Boyd dragged that out! 'Coulda been done with in 5 minutes. I guess that the question was too interesting to let go.

[@mrs.rogersneighborhood]

Awww, Mike! You got me messed up! 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@ohiopommom3314]

If the conversations were able to be used against him, nothing would stop prosecutors from using this tactic against defendants.

[@rachelmaize]

I think this was interesting, if not 🤪 🙂. You didn’t warn us we’d learn something so: fail! 😂

[@ellijaygalB]

Well that took me down a rabbit hole of trying to find case law for this situation and after hours I have found nothing. Zilch. I wonder if this has ever happened before. Common sense would say that if he thought he was speaking to his attorney (or an attorney) then nothing he said could be used. Legally common sense don't always match. (Retired paralegal here that loves searching case law)

[@mzglo7588]

Just seeing Judge Boyd was delightful! Seeing you, Mike , was delightful! Great way to start a Saturday morning!!

[@kimcrawford5247]

Interesting predicament.

[@suepongallo]

I'm 14+ minutes into watching this. So far the only word I've heard the defendant say was, "Si," after which his interpreter was introduced and sworn in. And the rest of the video has been the judge, the defense attorney, and the state attorney carrying on a conversation in English while the translator and the defendant stand meekly silent. Which.. good choice for the defendant to stand mute, but shouldn't the translator have been participating? Some of the conversation was on the record, and some was off the record, but all of it pertained to him. [Edit: if I had watched just a little longer before commenting, I'd have realized the defendant was wearing headphones and the translator was quietly interpreting for him the whole time.]

[@ChaosOrZen]

The defendant is holding a device and has headphones. He is likely holding a translator device/phone but YES the translator should be actively translating so that is in the record.

[@Torsin2000]

This is an important stream. The defendant who is accused of 'presenting as an attorney' did what every defendant should do, keep silent and let their attorney do their job. Sovereign citizens should take notice.

[@BeckyNew85]

good morning hope you enjoy your time off grid!! We will miss ya!

[@shannonbranson7156]

The kid looks like a young Tony Montana

[@lisawatson9570]

Who is that?

[@AwesomeSauceIsGood]

Meanwhile there is another part that has the so called attorney shows up in front of the judge

[@jenneth0]

Good morning have a great day. It is 3:12 am Saturday morning..

[@prof.mommyarty]

Please help! Does anyone have the link to the creator of Mike's awesome music 🎶please? I need it 😄 thank you

[@jweider007]

How often do you come across someone with a Hispanic surname named Fraulein? I suspect that someone's grandfather escaped from Germany to South America after the war.

[@rcrawford42]

German migration to Mexico goes back farther than that. There's a reason Mexican beer is lagers.

[@suzieq8335]

That woke me up!!!!!!

[@sandrachebo]

Judge Boyd always seems to know how to sort things out without infringing on anyone's rights. 😊

[@melgibbons9874]

Mike you and Artie need to do a live. To go over the Brianna Kingsley saga

[@djkizel]

I would think along the lines of what the judge is thinking that if the defendant reasonably believes the person they are speaking to is their attorney, then there is a reasonable assumption that anything discussed is privileged. And the prosecution would not be entitled to that information.

[@joni9485]

Wow. I thought I had to get up early on this Saturday…❤

[@maryannmarsello537]

Love judge Boyd! No nonsense

[@felixcollazomustang6687]

Like your smile you are an elegant lady

[@marcelomartinez3529]

Judy Boyd is a good bless lady,🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏❤️🇲🇽

[@Momshouseofchaos]

Yikes! What a fascinating legal question! And it sparks a whole bunch of other questions about how a possible fake lawyer gets visits with inmates.

[@psweeneyville]

Anyone know what Judge Boyd ruled on the interviews?

[@Mewse1203]

The fact that the female attorney wasn't automatically all about trying to keep those away from the prosecutor is kind of Bonkers.

[@OkkenBomm]

Any update from March 4?

[@Bethofbna]

I think she’s a good and fair judge, just a little too preachy at times.

[@MarcBechtol]

Mike, that was one of the best videos you've done for true law nerds. Can attorney-client privilege attach to a non-attorney. This has to be such a spectacularly unique question. The obvious answer is that it damn well should, in this case, if what we believe to be true is true. But so often what should be, isn't. Has Jeremy DeWitt decided to be a lawyer?

[@gailpatty1786]

So, did Beth Bridgman go down to Texas to represent this fellow? 😄

[@r-aandrew2901]

... disguised as a man - she's growing her brand and branching out.

[@karing.1618]

The woman attorney talks too much. Using more words doesn't make you sound smarter.

[@JUDGEREAD]

GREETINGS FROM SKULLS COUNTY CALIFORNIA

[@wesriggsby3609]

Odd legal question for this, if I'm understanding this discussion, it's multiple lawyers, ones from each client on this multiple defendant case that's going to listen to these video discussions... wouldn't that give the other lawyers more information/leverage knowing the defense of one of the defendants? Or are the multiple lawyers all for this one defendant?

[@donaldhutchinson8079]

This seems like a fun case! Very interesting.

[@startbline]

So what is he accused of doing? Can't find it here.

[@DanaMarie6667]

Love that song🤣❤️😂👍❤️

[@Torsin2000]

Also, as far as the question about attorney client privilege. I would imagine it still applies, since the privilege is the clients. I would imagine a couple questions to the people involved by their actual attorney might suffice, something along the lines of 'did you believe this individual was an attorney?' 'without disclosing the content of what you said, did you say things to him that you would consider privileged, or to put it another way did you make statements to him that you would not want the prosecution/other side to know.'

[@Anni_and_friends]

Good morning! And a great weekend. Mike, do you ever drink pop as my best friend from Chi-town says ?😊.

[@RSJ-Texas]

Very interesting circumstances

[@cameronlawoffices898]

Defense lawyer STILL doesn’t get it! Judge has to put a bandaid on it.

[@Outnumberedbykidsandcats]

Why is the translator covering her mouth the whole time?

[@rosemariemauricio1847]

to take out the background noise so the client can hear her translations a bit more clearer