An overlooked, insidious cause of failure in reefing.

[@oz969]

As I understand it, Dino's take hold when the conditions for micro algae growth is unfavourable. When nitrate and phosphate bottom out algae growth is inhibited opening the door for Dino's to take over that niche

[@CoralEuphoria]

I got you. That's the thinking nowadays, but why do people still get dinos when nutrients are not zero. That does happen. Also, how can mature tanks run very low nutrients and not get dinos? It doesn't necessarily have to do with nutrients. It's more tank immaturity rather than zero nutrients is my argument. And also, the collective reefing community came to that conclusion because we measure zero nutrients before seeing dinos, but I also argue in this video that nobody has considered that it's the dinos that have driven the nutrients to zero. They are already there and that's why the nutrients are zero. We just don't see them yet. Anyway, the bigger picture is I don't think we are on the right track with our thinking since we're still bad at preventing them.

[@carminecarlone2869]

@@CoralEuphoria I'm going to have to agree, I have a 25 gallon system, about 1 year old at this point. I had a slight "crash" everything is still recovering at the moment. Regardless I have a fairly stable biological filteration setup, I've been struggling with low nutrients since day one, my acros seems to co some it all before my fish can produce more from poop. I currently only have one fish and that could be my problem, however ibe never had dinos....ever. At best I'm at .01 phosphate and 0-1 nitrate on a good day.

[@jonasbergkvist1464]

No wait, i have a young system (9 months at time for dinos) but my dinos was only in my sump. I had zero phosphate but once i started dosing some it went away. What do you mean with dinos being there but we dont see them yet? But yes i agree to your idea here….. also when i got dinos i turned down light intensity some so it could be that it helped aswell. Thanks for a great video!

[@carminecarlone2869]

@@jonasbergkvist1464 my beat guess is that when you started dosing phosphate, some sort of algea used that as fuel and outcompeted the dinos, this is a fragile topic apparently 😂 so many variables and "what ifs" and "except's"

[@ZucchiniSky]

​@@CoralEuphoria I'm going through a dino explosion right now on a 600 gallon that had 80+ ppm NO3 and 2+ ppm PO4. After a week or two of the dinos, my nitrates are down to 20 ppm and my pH is up .1 to 8.3! I had been looking for a way to lower my nutrients for years now (I don't have many corals and heavily feed my fish) and it looks like dinos have been my solution lmao. (Water changes are too difficult on such a large system.) I believe I upset the biological balance of my tank dosing lots of vibrant back before it came out that it was an algaecide and the tank has very slowly been stabilizing.

[@ADDeaN1983]

This is literally the best reefing video ever. Period.

[@ADDeaN1983]

I can’t stop watching this video. The best reefing video ever made.

[@myexoticanimaljourney5619]

Definitely the best reefing youtuber! Most of the other ones are driven by sponsors but Abe is driven by spreading knowledge without the need to showcase "new" products.

[@billthefather]

well said!

[@christopherm.7310]

This.

[@Vdeez]

One of the best reef channels on KZbin. True talent not only in the hobby itself, but stellar content.

[@aarondus]

Abe , this video is not only incredibly well done, it’s absolutely hilarious! I hope you’ll incorporate this style into future videos + more characters 👍🏻

[@vistacruiser83]

agreed. well done. appreciate the time and effort you put into this.

[@PrivateSalty]

I can’t imagine how long it took to record this. It was Amazing. Funny and educational. Thank you kind Sir for time and effort you put into it.

[@bcmiller16]

What a creative presentation. Thanks for all of the hard work and great info!

[@ArrickthaRed]

Great video. Great explanation of what it actually means to be patient in the hobby. I been in the hobby 20 years and it took me 15 years to realize that when something goes wrong in my tank it is a direct result of something that might have happened 2-3 weeks ago. What people need to do is document what is going on in your tank like a diary. Then when you see a change you can look back and see what changed.

[@fellowreefer]

I agree with many others here that say that you are one KZbinr that is NOT sponsor driver but rather info, education and experience sharing driven. I absolutely love how you share light of some of the things that we all do and know it’s probably the wrong path to follow however we still do it just because someone else did it and were successful but what we don’t realize even after the fact of knowing that every tank is DIFFERENT. Thank you for always sharing the knowledge and experience with all of us and keeping us all think on the straight path rather then the easy one. Keep doing what you do as it certainly helps all of us.. thank you 🙏

[@MrGarciaJr]

I love coming back to an old video with more understanding

[@Flatlower]

this needs so many more views. I've been doing this for 20 years....this made so much sense.

[@eraserajm]

Best advice I've heard 5 years in the hobby ! Thank you !

[@fostee1]

Great vid, thanks. Refreshing to see a non BRS informercial for once

[@Brad.Hobbies]

This was awesome! I laughed so many times, the face slaps were my favorite. I always look forward to learning from you, Abe. Thank you.

[@EDKsurly]

Excellent video. I had Dino a few years ago. Blackout and little green machine helped a lot

[@rAwFrItz]

As a hobbyist working on a setup currently to jump back in after a long hiatus and stressing about new methods with establishing dry rock filtration as as apposed to the old methods of live rock and the challenges of algae blooms in establishing a tank. This video was so refreshing and made a lot of sense thank you!

[@deanfielding4411]

I’ve just had great success with the triton method in what apparently is one of the hardest systems to set up, a dry rock, bare bottom system. I have spent a lot of money on the right setup, ICP tests and after 10 months it’s looking good and getting good growth on most of the SPS and LPS corals I have.

[@deepreef210]

what an awesome video and more importantly an awesome way to talk about delayed manifestation of issues as it relates to a cause.

[@javsku39]

Really good info, been in the hobby over 10 yrs and have had the ups and downs you explained here. I learned from all of them, thanks for sharing.

[@reefboy2558]

Not only are your videos informative but they are also creative. Thank you Abe for this masterpiece!

[@glassreef]

Abe, you are one heckuva talent! Absolutely the best - no other way to look at it. I am always on pins and needles anticipating your next video.

[@neptunexperience8278]

I love your Chanel. Thanks for taking the time to do it. I have less than a year on the “hobby”, but I’ve been working in coral reefs and coral restauration in the mesoamerican reef system for years, our priority at this time are the acroporas we have here. Unfortunately the laws in Mexico don’t let us work with them ex situ… used to be a coral farm a few years ago but not anymore. So we just do mariculture now. We have some nice nurseries, doing good most of the year, an amazing grow rate, the only bad thing is that we been having hurracains and storms that damage our nurseries. I’m faithful, I really think aquaculture can help us change this for good and your Chanel it’s a huge inspirations for me in this matter . Saludos. I hope to show you some of or huge colonies some day

[@ReefSYS]

Great little project. I bet you enjoyed making that. ✌️

[@dynomitedp]

Wow, great video. Love the props, message, and writing! And the house music at the end!

[@crazyivan3706]

Your theory makes sense. I’ve been in the hobby for almost two decades and the this latest obsession with No3/Po4 has me baffled. Literally according to the community, ANY problem you may have is caused by nutrients being too high or too low. Raising nutrients has become the recommended standard for battling/mitigating dinoflagellates, yet I have yet to see a reliable report that someone has been successful with raising nutrients alone. Any success stories out there are anecdotal at best. Love your content btw.

[@christopherm.7310]

Anxiously awaiting more videos!!

[@keeferdog5617]

ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT! JUST FOUND YOUR CHANNEL TONIGHT (VIA REEF DORK) NEW SUB!

[@chessmanmark9244]

I saw Anthony Calfo present over a decade ago. He kept his greenhouse system with water changes. Patience and water changes. I’m a believer too.

[@soamir22]

Brilliant and refreshing, well done.

[@oyster_3694]

This is some of the best info I've received yet! Keep up the great work!!!

[@MrGarciaJr]

Great video! As a new reefer I agree! For me I find it very hard to make corrections after I mess up. Especially when I don't know where was the tipping point to begin with.

[@cameronbasford8991]

My mind is blown. Everything you said makes so much sense and it was perfectly explained. This video has to be shared around the reefing community. Awesome work mate.

[@djcalvin408]

i've had multiple reef tank over the decades without success. i had practically all high end equipment, to only watch most of my lps and sps die. your videos are very informative and well put together. I'm looking to start up the hobby again soon, and will do it right this time! patience and stability is where i failed previously lol. But lesson learned!

[@TreasureCorals]

Abe, the amount of work that went into it is insane. Very well done.. watch out for Pixar calling you directly to offer a job. Keep on reefing!

[@sidsreef6891]

Yesss!!! Best reality check for people in the hobby! Well said! I was gonna make a video for my viewers on this but i can’t top your videos..there soooo good 👍

[@ggNoRe83]

Dude, you are a reefing genius! I have went through pretty much every problem you can imagine over the past 8 months. Including a 2 month nightmare battle with dinoflagellates that killed 80% of my corals. And in the end I can attest everything you are saying here makes perfect sense.

[@devoutdiva9193]

Thanks for all the visuals and information ☺️

[@ericsfishingadventures4433]

Abe your videos are some of the best out there. Very intelligent and truthful. I've been in the hobby for years and I'm totally on board with what you believe and say. Everything just makes sense. Simplicity is key in this hobby I 100% agree! As the old saying goes "keep it simple, stupid"

[@StewartRocco]

You have not only explained Phenomenon, but the moon and the stars and the sky above😎 been in this hobby for 25yrs and learned early on about this effect. Abe your the best!

[@TOMReefer]

Finally! Another of few who understands certain aspects of reef keeping! Yeah! 😃I will never raise nutrients to attempt to do anything in my reef tanks! This rush to get things back to normal is just impatience. And the funny thing about it is, in most cases the raising of nutrients to see observable difference takes the same length of time that doing almost nothing takes to eliminate dinoflagellates. The end result is you think it was raising nutrients that eliminated the problem, when in reality it was just time and balance to the reef.

[@quinn8823]

The dislikes on this video are actually people who thought the button meant “dis i like”

[@BlackGoldReefing]

Very well done video! I fit the description of chasing numbers and repeatedly smacking my face in frustration. I have now gone back to what I did 20 years ago. 10% water changes weekly and my tank is finally crawling back to life since the SnowMaggetton in Texas earlier this year.

[@davere1]

Can't imagine how much time you put into this one. So well done! I can't comment on the info, because I'm a new reefer, and haven't even stood my tank up, yet - but the reminder to be patient is well taken.

[@Pokingclams]

Wow. Beautifully made.

[@russellchiles3343]

It Looks like you had a lot of fun doing this. Well done. It got the message across very well.

[@ESCHLICHTE]

What a great video!

[@RogueAquariums]

Well said Abe, I’ve been in the reefing side of the hobby for the past six years and imo patience is key. I’ve had to learn the hard way on a few occasions. Nothing good happens overnight

[@waynebowles]

I absolutely love this video. This is great

[@erich8756]

Wow this must have cost a lot of effort. It shows and for us as viewers it was totally worth it! Hope you had as much fun making it as I had watching it.

[@SeaDaddy]

Outstanding job all around.

[@coldlogic800]

Damn this is an excellent video. As a reefer with 23 years experience I completely agree. When the tanks metabolism shifts from corals and macros the nutrients will be consumed by undesirable life forms.

[@g-reef]

This is the best video that I have seen for sometime. Thank you so much, this couldn't of come at the best time.

[@piorone]

I watched it countless times! Your content is always fantastic! You have to make more frequent videos.

[@artofwar-3263]

BRILLIANT video abe with a heap of great information mate... Great to have another video !

[@Reefgrrl]

This video was both fun and informative! And now I have this mental image of you slapping your face over and over again to record the sound *just* right...😂😂😂😂 This ranks right up there with the video where you were a ninja character....you never disappoint Abe, thank you for that. 👍🏻👍🏻💥💥

[@AmyQuilts]

Omg.....love this! The reefing concepts and the presentation ❤️

[@migs671]

Your an absolute beast abe and love the different approach you take to things from the refuge bucket to the diy 40b sump

[@sunnygoold9449]

So... SO GOOD!

[@MiddleAgedMike]

Once again you’re correct Abe

[@travisbowersox8586]

Love the animation!!! Great info. Thanks!

[@firsttimereefertv1588]

Lovely to see you back mate!

[@VikramSudera]

Loved this style of video.

[@shabbir78]

This is the most creative video ever made on reef keeping...the best got even better. Thank you so much for making such an interesting and informative stop motion video 🙌🙌🙌👏👏👏👏👍👍👍👍,

[@canadianreefmaster]

Excellent Video!

[@waynesreef9218]

Awesome job Abe. Your calm cool collective way of explaining things is awesome. And you know what you’re talking about!

[@carterclan77]

Great video, presentation was on point man.

[@dcoausg]

Great video, never thought about late effects in that way

[@moneymarkj]

Finally, somebody speaking some truth! Funny how things change so fast in the hobby.

[@adamschaafsma5839]

You did such a great job on this Abe! Really well done, also love the information and the theory and evidence are very compelling.

[@lucasaquarium6342]

BEST REEF VIDEOS ONLINE!!!!!!!!!

[@ReefBum]

Well said, Abe. And I love the presentation!

[@Viqer_Fell]

A well presented and thought through video

[@seanstuart6115]

That was incredible. A+

[@craftaquatic6472]

Another creative and informative video. Well worth the wait. I can see how much time you put into this. Great idea.

[@deanfielding4411]

Just set up a bare bottom negative scaped dry rock reef tank and used Triton method. Working amazingly well and had no such issues with Dino’s so far. 10months in and SPS doing very well. It’s not cheap but it looks amazing and is doing well.

[@78matt]

Nice video thank you. People make the wrong assumtions about alot of things.

[@Nicolaj89]

This video was so good that I need to watch it again

[@Matt-tt3jj]

Love it. Make more videos. Your theories and presentation are a major component to many reefers success.

[@Ciklidas]

I have been in all those stages. Sometimes I hate that hobby... sometimes I feel great, but it is never boring.

[@martijnvanbeek4387]

Haha, you had me watch till the end! You must have had a very creative mood:). Good job done on explaining dinoflagellates!

[@kelvinfrierson233]

Man you did your thing on this video. Excellent work. I know this took a lot time and patience. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@TheBioReef]

I tried to get a sponsorship from patience once… but the wait was too long …. 😂

[@TheBioReef]

On a more serious note - thanks for the fun vid Abe. Love the stop motion animation. I have a different hypothesis about why dino strive in low nutrient / unstable conditions; I think they essentially monopolize and outcompete other microorganisms. When resources in the water column (nutrients) are low, one can argue that organisms that are better adapted to surviving such conditions would have the upper hand. While Dino certainly do have nutrient limitations, they thresholds typically lower than many of the other algae’s found in our tank (this is why dosing things like vibrant kills GHA really quick but takes forever to deal with dinos). I think that adding nutrients in such cases can level the playing field a bit. Another way to day this is that nutrient poor environments are less stable and open to exploitation by a few parasitic species while nutrient rich environments allow more species to coexist without reaching plague proportions. Just a few thoughts to consider. Thanks again for the enjoyable vid! Cheers

[@billthefather]

First I was like, why tf is he talking like that! then I lmao'd my ass off and watched it two more times! Great information and really great video! very creative!

[@robaloba-dingo9960]

What an absolute gem of a video, love your view on this subject.

[@aussied723]

A Big 👍 Very creative and insightful

[@ryansmithers4661]

Awesome video and great info! Always a treat to get vids from Abe!

[@Stanboy6767]

Well done. This is what all new reefers need to learn before just adding things into the tank

[@Jovatronik]

Thanks!

[@CoralEuphoria]

Thanks so much!!!

[@calipsosreefs4843]

🔥🔥🔥info thank you for everything you share my tank has look it best ever since fallowing tips and Info u Had share 👊👊👊

[@jules2545]

Wow, what a fantasic video, great points and a lot of work must have gone into the animation.

[@Chris58369]

Great informative article! Thank you!!!

[@paulfoxgrover7719]

Excellent video! The voice this hobby has been missing! Reaper face palm cracked me up.

[@somniumrose2459]

Very well said. Made me think about dosing differently.

[@bananna7465]

Loved the video kept me watching 😊

[@robmoody3827]

I love the animations, especially at the end! Nice work!

[@Jtone_philthy_aquatics]

Very creative way to hold everyone’s attention! I love all of the vids you do dude. Always looking forward for the next one to drop 🤙

[@dusk1947]

Excellent video Sir. Having fought Dino's during my first set-up. My observation was that they followed the same pattern displayed by Brown Diatoms, and Green Truf/Hair algae. That is, there was not enough diversity in my system to present competition against the Dinoflagellates. However, my tank was set up using dry sand and dry rock, and the outbreak came during the tanks initial ecological success. It was not however caused by hitting 0-N, 0-P. My solution was a reset, where I "cooked" the rock in dark, warm, saltwater for 10 months; and added various new rubble of live rock from 7 different LFS's to boost the diversity. I also regularly dosed small levels of ammonia and did water changes as nitrate rose. I was set up again last month, so far so good. And the ecological succession under light exposure passed at a faster rate. Brown diatoms were gone in under a week, last time it took 4 weeks. But, I also can't say whether it was a full solution, not enough time has passed. However, I agree with your premise and reasoning. my own experience reflected it.

[@diegoptalaverasuarez2264]

muy buena explicación estoy de acuerdo

[@insanity4224]

Brilliant video, a lot of work but incredibly insightful and easy to follow. Honestly it does not make sense to me that corals have such a slow metabolism that something can kill them months later. But I know from my own experience with hammers that were in my system that ran 0 N and 0 P for a year before they began to bleach and become susceptible to brown jelly. My over enthusiastic clowns did not help but the hammers were ok with them before they were starved so I buy in to what you are saying.

[@TheTrevor40]

You had a little too much fun making this video! Hahah I love it. I need a frag pack from you one day.