Ana vs Ben Shapiro: Would Single Payer Healthcare Work In America?

[@aimeefaast]

I went from middle class fairly comfortable financially to homeless and now poor working 3 jobs just to keep my home .. all because of illness It breaks my heart that my kids have suffered because staying alive meant loosing all financial stability. Our healthcare system a nightmare

[@czarekp3552]

what healthcare system?

[@czarekp3552]

but on a serious note sorry to hear that

[@abuzainah1]

That's sad America is worse then 3rd world countrys I hope you situation gets better

[@annharlan8926]

Ana is right. Having national health care would be a game changer and benefit almost everyone in this country. I make between $24,000 and $26,000 a year and my deductible in the marketplace is $8,000 before they even begin to kick in for a minimum amount of coverage. Basically, it is worthless.

[@felixndayisdebologne9725]

Shapiro is a liar and Ana got railroaded. Breast cancer is the second leading cause of death worldwide! 5 five years after the diagnosis the survival rate for breast cancer is 83 % in the USA! While it is 89 % for Jewish women and 84% for Arab women; Italy, 88 %, France 87 %, October 15th, 2021.

[@nolongerblocked6210]

🎯💯

[@davidsmith-uw2ci]

They know it will work and they know once Americans know it works and it helps ppl they would never be able to take it away and if they tried it they would have riots on their hands

[@WERC-lawyer]

So many of the mass shootings involve people in need of psychological care....

[@nickc9070]

Are you using Obamacare? Your medical should be almost completely covered at that yearly pay.

[@thelastprophet4578]

So refreshing to see a conversation without insulting each other!

[@Nik-gr5lh]

Yeah u rarely see that from the left

[@thelastprophet4578]

@@Nik-gr5lh or the Right nowadays..

[@terraobserver678]

theeereee ,just because you wear stupid hat, does not make righteous

[@Nik-gr5lh]

@@thelastprophet4578 would have to disagree, I love to debate with people and in my personal experience when u bring up something that the left doesn’t have a rebuttal for they instantly turn to trying bully/insult in to changing your opinion.

[@thelastprophet4578]

@@Nik-gr5lh I can assure you that it's on both sides. It may not be you in particular, but rest assured folks on the right get snippy as well. Even threatening violence at times. I'm just glad that sit downs like this are happening, and I hope to see more. Dragging us all out of our echo chambers.

[@anon8568]

Having a civil debate between the right and the left is something I am always craving. Thank you both!

[@squirrel8185]

God. It used to be a lot more like this. I would love it if it where like this more again. We don't all have to agree on how things are best done. That's why there is more then one party. But we can't get anywhere with the little kid fights we have been seeing lately. More of this please!

[@bw1520]

Yea u right but........but them mean spirited politicians in DC ain't gonna do anything MEANINGFUL...........JUST SAYING....SMH

[@joshzombie757]

These conversations across the isle are so freaking important, and im so proud of both of you guys being able to talk like this

[@fredericgadoury6610]

Yes and no because that give legitimacy to them, but while in the rest of the civilized world you have to be a psycho to think that universal healthcare is not a right

[@martinbernstein5662]

More of this content please. Civilized and substantive conversations across the ideological spectrum.

[@mr12aT]

I feel like Ben is lying just to keep the peace. It’s normally much my extreme in his views

[@foxman2137]

really? All I see once again half baked comments from ben with no real answer to the issue proposed. Not even an agreement on what Ana said as being true and necessary.

[@szahmad2416]

@@DanteNDigitalis I'd like to see these debates occur on TYT as well, instead of Cenk bloviating and trying to shout down the right-winger, or person he disagrees with. Ana would be a much better debater.

[@emperorgizmo3014]

Republicans have no ideology but hate, fear, denial, and contrarianism. Saying that they are included in the spectrum is also not true and insulting. Name a SINGLE POLICY where they use reason, logic and evidence to decide upon a policy position REGARDLESS of where dems/libs/prog fall on that issue. Name a single policy position where they uphold the reasoned position because they arrived upon it as what they think or is the empirical position. Until then they are unworthy to be in the spectrum as they have no means of skeptically interrogating positions, politics, the world and Universe.

[@szahmad2416]

@@emperorgizmo3014 this is some of that bloviating I was talking about. Yeah, I'm not a fan of virtually anything the right want...but what's important is that many others who don't fall neatly in the right/left spectrum are at least willing to give the right wing a hearing. These people are "gettable", and the left/liberals should deploy our spokespeople wherever and whenever we get an opportunity to make our case...no matter how much some of us might feel "insulted" debating them. The Trump election...and too many other ones...have demonstrated clearly that the left/liberals/progressives are simply too few in number...or else, too few in certain districts where they're needed...for us to do anything without these other people.

[@LeeLee-ls1jd]

My mother got a hip replacement. Cost $0.00 She got a kidney transplant. Cost $0.00 My father got a pacemaker. Cost $0.00 They are retired and not rich. I love our health care system here in Canada.

[@Delvy787]

Thank you for having a debate and not a screaming match 🙏🏾

[@scarletwitch6023]

Ana absolutely kicks ass in this debate, she’s so articulate and her points are so well thought out and she doesn’t allow him to gaslight her or monopolise the conversation. Go Ana!!

[@cicichambers3887]

I wish she had not been apologetic, such as saying what she’s going to say it’s going to make him mad or not like her, truth is truth and needs no apology. And saying that she doesn’t agree with something as opposed to saying that it’s not true and that she can have someone assist her while they are talking pull up the proof. Because he likes to spin people into using what he considers to be threads of logic into biased opinion needed statements. When a plus B plus C doesn’t equal four.

[@trebm3]

She’s so professional and good at these debates. She could ripe into him but respects the forum.

[@BreakingDawn1980]

The Healthcare in this country is a disgrace. I'm a living example of that. I'm disabled. Have been since birth. I'm on disability and I have Medicare. Two weeks ago I woke up in agony from TMJ pain. So bad I ended up in the ER. 800$ for less than 10 minutes with a nurse. I also have no dental coverage so I've been popping over the counter pain meds like candy because I can't afford a dentist right now. Its a miserable way to live. I do my best to take care of myself but I can't get the help I need because of money. It's cruel.

[@populistleft9475]

still cancer survival here is way higher than scandinavia.

[@andredeketeleastutecomplex]

I agree

[@thatguywhocallsmebill5797]

That sounds awful. I hope your health improves and your pain subsides. Best wishes from Australia 🇦🇺

[@PixelPhobiac]

We need waaaaaaay more conversations like this

[@trumpstersaretraitors809]

@TheHermanCainAwards Debate on policy is what they meant

[@krismurray0723]

I was actually impressed that, no matter which side you agreed with here, it was nice to see not a TON of yelling and screaming all over each other.

[@adamstampley7207]

I love how Ben proves Ana's point for her. He said Healthcare in Vermont would be better than that in Alabama. So a Blue state's Healthcare is better than that of a deeply red state?.... ya don't say...

[@NevadaSmith2]

I think Ana did a great job in this interview. And to be fair, Ben seemed reasonable too. I think they both knew they needed to be amicable to each other’s opinions and ideas. America needs more of these civil across-the-aisle conversations.

[@fullblastman]

WTF are you talking about these f*cking Groomer pedo's need to be put down did you know that Anna's partner Cenk talks about Beastiality all the time and has even suggested that sex with animals should be legal? kzbin.info/www/bejne/sIe1YYuCe7psqKc These idiots need to be driven into the darkest recesses of society and be ashamed to come into the light.

[@CarSVernon]

or ppl need to go outside more and actually face humans they keep calling "nazis" for disagreeing even slightly.

[@MrTravel4nutin]

Actually I see this as the elephant in the room. They never talk this way about each other on their shows. This makes me think that maybe all that posturing is for ratings only which is also the problem in Congress. A MTG can get lots of donations for talking about Jewish Space Lasers. And I have to admit that when I saw the 2 of them in the thumbnail I clicked for what should have been a no holds barred confrontation. I guess that makes me part of it. However, if it turns out that these 2 are really buddies and this is all part of some type of WWE BS show going on while the country burns, I'm done with them. Change is needed in this country they will never seek it.

[@grumpyoldman6503]

@@CarSVernon outrage gets clicks, primate social interaction doesn't work via social media monetization schemes.

[@courteouscarpenter7811]

I'm Canadian I love that my tax dollars go to pay for someone else's Health Care. Do I like it when they're a smoker and it's their fault or when it's something self-induced know but you know what for those people I deal with it because so many other people are legitimately in need of healthcare that I can help provide. Fact that the u.s. is one of the largest economies in the world and doesn't think that neighbours Healthcare is important is disgusting

[@mr.v3061]

As a Belgian i went to the doctor once for 30 minutes. She did a blood test and conversation. Had 50 Euro ready to pay. The doctor said it was 5 Euro. I was like: "Are you sure?" (The money out of my pocket. The rest she gets from the health insurance). Nobody here has fear to get bankrupt when visiting a doctor or hospital. This is how it should be.

[@foxman2137]

As a Brit, I went to the doctor few times in the last year (after never having been for years and years). My 3 blood tests were free and the results appeared online for me to check by myself and I got a phone call to explain what were the issues. I pay via the national insurance and it is fine. The system is in trouble with more older people but still works.

[@steviegbcool]

Gp visit in the UK free , Australia $70 , USA $200 go figure...

[@sighrd]

@@steviegbcool I grew up in Australia and I never had to pay a cent to see my GP, not trying to be insulting but where did you get this information?

[@andredeketeleastutecomplex]

Also belgian here but homeless. I do fear doctors killing me because I'm poor. They killed my also homeless dad out of gross negligence, they can do the same with me so I never go. Doctors are rich compared to me, and in my view they don't care one bit about poor folks. I'm with cancer, I self-medicate.

[@mr.v3061]

@@andredeketeleastutecomplex Het spijt me om dat te horen. Maar je moet geen schrik hebben van een dokter. Ze doen dit werk meestal niet voor het geld. Ze kloppen soms wel overuren, maar dat doen ze omdat ze mensen willen helpen. Kies de dokter die het best bij jou past. Een oudere of een jongere dokter. Vrouw of man, het maakt niet uit. Elke Belg krijgt zorg! Ook mensen die illegaal ons land binnenkwamen krijgen medische zorg als dit nodig is, zelf als ze dit niet kunnen betalen. Ga eerst langs bij de dokter. Daarna bekijkt het OCMW dan ook vlug de situatie en dan komt alles in orde. Ik zou het heel jammer vinden als je niet probeert hulp te zoeken. Iedereen verdient hulp. 👍

[@miggyalejandro]

Damn, Ben can argue a lot without saying anything.

[@sinsincere5748]

🎯

[@brianstraight9308]

To be fair this voice is outside the hearing range of most people.

[@robclark3095]

That's because most people like Shapiro are nothing more than 🦜🦜🦜

[@sethgyan]

He's interviewing her and providing nuance. What do you want him to say?

[@AndresHernandez2]

@@sethgyan He should just say I agree. But he goes on and on to sound more correct that he actually is. Have you seen the memes? They're on point.

[@winterburden]

I'll tell you one thing that *does not* work- private health insurance.

[@noigelskram2435]

It worked great until Obama and his lobbyists broke it.

[@winterburden]

@@noigelskram2435 Wrong.

[@ericgraham3088]

I’m so proud of Ben making it through 8 minutes of discussing healthcare and not mentioning once, his wife is a doctor. That’s real growth

[@saverdemocracy8793]

Daahhh

[@trebm3]

Well said

[@waryaawariiri1812]

His perpetually _dry_ wife you mean?

[@xbabu142x]

@@waryaawariiri1812 Oh yeah I forgot he hopped on and did his remix of the song. Well someone but a beat over him saying the lyrcis anyway ahahaha

[@bw1520]

Smh...........

[@lowstryder1022]

That’s the most rational and level headed discussion on this topic I might have ever heard! Great job Ana and Ben!!

[@normbale2757]

Hi from Canada. The unnoticed big benefit of a single payer system is that you don't blow your life savings at the end of your life or your parents, so capital grows. I think culture , a degree of economic freedom and available capital are the biggest factors in having a healthy economy.

[@Kingnome]

Facts! Majority of Gofundme is medical bills.

[@KarlMarxFanClub]

@@AbdulKhader-786 derp

[@OK-hl6qd]

@@AbdulKhader-786 🤣🤣🤣

[@8eight104]

I’m actually going to give Shabibo props for bringing on Ana Kasparian. She’s so articulate and intelligent, my inner optimist likes to think that she at least got through to some of his audience.

[@noigelskram2435]

More likely, she's going to put out an attack piece on him, and prevent him from getting through to her audience. After the two debated in 2022, that's exactly what she did. There's no reason to believe anything changed.

[@kronosx7]

Nah, you don't go to shapiro for facts, you go for confirmation bias.

[@zivkovicable]

@@kronosx7 As do we all..but some biases happen to be correct.

[@glennjohn3824]

@@kronosx7 I'm biased towards Truth and reality. Stay free 🙏❤🇺🇸

[@dwightschrute47]

You should see the comments on Shapiros channel, they loved the conversation.

[@lordhoho1]

I'm in Canada and had a quadruple bypass surgery. It was not totally free because I had to pay $24 for the rental of a TV.

[@hrh-xj4fh]

Same here....had coloncopy and other procedure...i was billed for the tv!! Lol also canadian....they even paid my escort and myselfs cab home as they didnt want me to get on bus!!!

[@michaelehlert9]

I've been living in Europe for 20 years. We have both private and public healthcare in Italy. It's much better in my opinion for the general welfare of the enitre population. There are no medical bankruptcies. I'm tired of seeing the Gofundme pages for my fellow Americans, it's ridiculous.

[@debella21]

Healthcare shouldn’t be on the stock market.

[@Colin-kh6kp]

The US government spent tens of trillions of dollars in Iraq and Afghanistan, that money could have funded healthcare for everyone in the country virtually forever.

[@tyrannosaurusinf1488]

People in other developed nations may have criticisms about healthcare in their respective countries...but in my travels I have not met a single one who would trade it for America's healthcare system. We are a goddamn cautionary tale.

[@Ti5qu4ntum]

I love this conversation between 2 very different parties and viewpoints. Glad they have this meetings. Keep having them. We truly need this level of understanding.

[@mateohodge6998]

There is nothing to be understood, Ben Shapiro is a grifter payed by oil billionaires to spew propaganda on their behalf if he was operating off of facts and logic it wouldn't even be a debate about universal healthcare

[@CubicIronPyrite]

This is what the country has been sorely missing most, both sides having an intelligent rational conversation. Not hurling insults, not making sound bites for Fox or CNN, not trying to own the other side. Just a conversation.

[@lannynavitka8949]

I'm Canadian and have a disabled son. I am in parent groups which consist of mainly Americans. The things they go through to get treatment or therapy is horrifying to me. The financial cost is astounding. Having to move to a different state to access or afford healthcare within the same country is crazy. I have never paid an extra cent to care for my son. I also have access to private-public subsidized resources, so there are many choices and options available to us. Do I think my healthcare system is perfect and without corruption, waste and inefficiency? No. But I also work in the private sector and KNOW that it would be way worse as a fully privatized institution.

[@clovemartin]

Canadian here and hate the fact that I cannot visit a private clinic or private hospital if I choose. In Ontario, there is no choice and we have to deal with the shitty government run care.

[@Hann61669]

@@clovemartin liar

[@Hann61669]

@@clovemartin if you hate Canada so much then move to usa.

[@lannynavitka8949]

@MohammedAbdulKhader My son's care costs an American(or their work-paid insurance) almost $100k per year. Some of these parents get laid off or targeted for having too many insurance premiums. They want to work and are not permitted. How do you propose I, and others, afford that? I imagine you would just ignore the needy and less-fortunate, as most do. Could YOU absorb that cost in your life?

[@lannynavitka8949]

@@clovemartin Wait, I thought Rob Ford was all about cutting the red tape and making healthcare more accessible 🤣....isn't that why he got a second term? 😳

[@Rensra]

...that Ana can even look Ben in the eye and attempt to converse about this, shows incredible integrity... keep up the good work!

[@goldenstateofmind7385]

Ana holds her own with anyone Right, Center, or Left. To have watched her evolution over the years has been a joy.

[@josephmama9657]

thank you! Ana! She’s the ONLY one I’ve ever heard make that connection between small business & single payer healthcare!

[@NMandarina]

My father had 2 times cancer in last 25 years. In a small country Slovenian, that is on the border of Europe union he payed zero anything above his normal healthcare that he has. I presume if we would live in USA, we would be bancrupt

[@878Docto]

It was a pleasure to see a discussion between 2 people with different viewpoints have a civilized discussion.

[@orange3dam]

I'm a conservative and I watched the full video on Ben Shapiro's podcast but wanted to comment here on how much I respected Ana in joining Ben Shapiro on his show. Great conversation and got to hear another perspective. This is what we need. thank you

[@dimsoneill]

Thank you for being reasonable and thinking. You need to have a chat to many on your side because it's getting pretty sad the quality of debate and the blatant propaganda being pushed by both sides.

[@Scar-jg4bn]

As a nurse and a patient, we desperately need Universal Healthcare. Get the insurance lobbyists out of the way so we can save lives.

[@martinlopez4430]

Yes, thats the bottom line!

[@matthewTodd97]

This is not "the bottom line". I'm all for nurses. I'm all for "saving lives". However, money is like a triage center. The reason people do "triage" is because you have limited resources (doctors, nurses, medicine, bandages training, etc...). Money is also limited. Getting UHC is not a magic wand where doctors and nurses suddenly are paid what they deserve, people suddenly get timely excellent quality care and everyone walks away with no debt. Folks this is all MUCH MUCH more sophisticated problem! Come on folks, there are trade offs here. You cannot give 330 million people "Free Healthcare" that is quality, and timely. Wanting a better system than we have now is GREAT! Wanting better outcomes for patients, and affordable treatments...also great! Taking the time to consider the magnitude of the problem, defining the EXACT problems, and then coming up with reasonable tradeoffs in solutions is the only way to handle this.

[@Scar-jg4bn]

@@matthewTodd97 completely agree, and the discussion should start with the government using their (our) money that can easily subsidize a universal Healthcare system, especially if we actually tax the 0.01% fairly. We need reform in all areas of healthcare, including more spots for residency and safe nurse:patient ratios nationwide, not just in California.

[@matthewTodd97]

@@Scar-jg4bn Thank you for your candid and spelled out thoughts a bit. (Hard to do in this format. ;) ) Are you concerned at all that the government subsidizing something might incentivize the wrong things? The government will then be handing the medical system a blank check. If we all know that politicians are often corrupt, and we think that some businesses, and corporations are willing to rip us off, why do you seem to trust that they will use our money wisely? How do we ensure that they don't just waste a huge % of that money on needless administrative costs? Won't they need to ration care in some places? If the millions of Americans who are uninsured, can now get free basic healthcare, won't LOTS more people go to the Dr. for the common cold, and other things? Won't this exacerbate the patient/nurse ratio issues? I know I personally in my family and in my friends families have people once they reach their deductible say, "pshhh I'm just going to get X checked out. I've reached my deductible so now it's "free" anyways".

[@Scar-jg4bn]

@@matthewTodd97 valid points, but points that completely ignore the massive amount of people who don't seek primary and preventative care, who then end up in acute care settings, costing much more money and resources than if they had access to basic healthcare in the first place. Regardless, we will always eat the bill; the question is if we want to improve quality of life and reduce unnecessary deaths due to poverty and lack of access to healthcare. There will always be corruption and people adding fees and skimming off the top no matter what under capitalism, that doesn't mean we throw in the towel and don't fight to disempower and regulate those parasites while using tax payer money in an ethical and productive way. Edited due to autocorrect.

[@dsgio7254]

Life expectancy IS attributable to health care system which focuses ON PREVENTION. What Ben says is just wrong.

[@GREGE3EGG]

It amazes me that America hasn’t got a NHS like system. We over here have private yes but the NHS takes care of the MANY that can’t afford it. It takes a huge amount of weight off the shoulders to those who are suffering with health issues. Wake up America and smell the coffee. Sorry for pun!

[@Mantose262]

Considering you live across the pond, I expected you to say tea instead of coffee ;)

[@bigfatbaataed]

Ben, I'm writing this from a hospital bed(cardiology) in Canada & we don't want anything to do with a privatized healthcare system like the US, I'd like to see more money put into the system & will be campaigning against the Conservtive government in our province in the spring election...

[@carolynking5470]

I'm in Ontario cheering you on!

[@rko1095]

Canada here. This breaks my heart to see how my fellow American's healthcare are treated as a commodity that is bought and sold. Our single payer system works and costs half as much as Americans pay in premiums, deductibles and co-payments. It's not perfect and we also have some issues with it but at least I will never have to worry about remortgaging my house when myself or someone in my household gets seriously ill and denied health coverage.

[@dopeylopey7451]

I couldn’t agree more! Now is it perfect? No. Canada is not immune to the budget cuts and threats of privatization. I rather wait in the waiting room than having to choose between my health and my financial situation.

[@RobertSavage1985]

Why do a lot of Canadians complain about the healthcare, but there seems like as many are fine with it?

[@broadcastdiva1]

@@RobertSavage1985 We complain because there are long delays in being seen but still better than paying out of pocket.

[@dopeylopey7451]

@@RobertSavage1985 In my experience when we complain about our healthcare, we want more money to go into it. We want more nurses and more doctors, and most importantly we want less wait time. Since the US and Canada are operating under different systems, I think our complaints get lost in translation.

[@RobertSavage1985]

@@dopeylopey7451 that makes sense.

[@Royan1900]

This was good to see, two sides sitting down and actually having a civilized discussion as opposed to just yelling at each other with personal attacks.

[@harulestokes6527]

Big fallacy. Health insurance is NOT healthcare. In the USA, we've been duped into equating the these things.

[@contextmatters8243]

💯

[@kneau]

Aye. It is a component of healthcare, so theoretically an improvement to healthcare may include an improvement to health insurance. I get what you're saying though; the two are not casually interchangeable when discussing actionable change.

[@harulestokes6527]

@@kneau I understand your point. Although you can have healthcare without insurance, the reverse is not true.

[@kneau]

@@harulestokes6527 hence health insurance falling under the umbrella of healthcare.

[@harulestokes6527]

@@kneau but you wouldn't consider car insurance a component of car repair.

[@patriciaZMarie2867]

We have about 45 countries with government paid health care for all. If they can do it then there's no reason America can't do it

[@daveseddon5227]

China is one of those countries and has a population of about 1.4 billion. So, yep, I agree!

[@Rune-Thorne]

That is correct...there is no reason we can't. we have the most income and productivity per capita to draw from....problem is Insurance executives and pharma will lose the largest income pull from any population in the world.

[@kyleknapp6029]

I can't believe that was 8 minutes it felt like only 3. Ana is a very intellectual and analytical person. More like this please. I love it! ❤

[@ericdodson3630]

I'm almost done with the full 2 hour show, and holy hell it's a great watch. They each make great points

[@glennjohn3824]

Lol

[@hsmd4533]

@@ericdodson3630 I watched the whole thing, it’s excellent

[@lloyda6873]

Going back to Anna's earlier point. Higher focus on preventative care would mean less people needing care for serious illness which would probably mean greater standard of care for those cases being more common.

[@DuckReach432]

In Australia, we have a mix of Public and Private healthcare. We have a population of about 27 million and this is affordable. I don't understand how an immensely wealthy nation like the US (orders of magnitude richer than us) cannot afford universal healthcare.

[@brandonjohnson48]

An actual liberal and an an actual conservative having an actual conversation without blowing smoke or rudely talking over each other with lame talking points and in the year 2023?! Think I just had a lil tiny,itty, bitty piece of my faith in humanity restored😌

[@lizzybennet5726]

*Progressive, not quite liberal. There's variations between the two. Everything else, I agree.

[@leejones4757]

Just had full NHS hip replacement in the UK... cost £3.50 for car parking. Could have gone private for £13000 but there was no need. Private room, top surgeon and awesome care. This would be around $40000 in the US....

[@el_ra]

Great conversation, no interruptions or talking over each other. This is how different ideas should be discussed

[@turkeypudding1]

America. You can get a gun easier than healthcare.

[@Vaginasaurus-Lix]

That's because the U.S. has always been a nation that worships "DEATH".

[@Pixielush]

I am from the UK 🇬🇧 and I am grateful for our health care system.

[@EdwardHohenheim]

We won't have it for long with the tories still in charge🥲

[@markbenjamin1703]

@@EdwardHohenheim the NHS is a total joke nowadays, built for a high trust cultural homogeneous society with personal responsibility that doesn't exist. It's Nurses this year have proven to be scum, and it's ambulance drivers to quote Kelvin MacKenzie 'vile shitbags', using patients pain for a quick quid. It's management and admin a bloated waste

[@alexsimpkin5620]

Ben Shapiro uses a lot of words to say nothing at all.

[@kmeyerlocal66]

I actually enjoyed this video. Even though they disagree they don't name call each other. Wow adults in a room...what a breath of fresh air.

[@blackcrust330]

I think putting this video out was a great way to encourage dialogue and compromise- at the absolute worst in consideration of the survival of our species, and at best making REAL PROGRESS. like REAL PROGRESSIVES. Outstanding reporting and great work, thank you for all your service.

[@scotttriplett5147]

Employers don’t “pay” for our healthcare! WE take less in wages, and retirement ( at least in Union jobs), so we can have healthcare!

[@imranp2010]

Why Americans let their government spend trillions on weapons but not on their health, is absolutely nuts...

[@melinda3413]

“let” isn’t the word that I would use. It’s not up to us at all, because our politicians back pockets are full with the dirty money from the military industrial complex, and big pharma- and neither of those want us to have health care. One because they want the money spent on them, and the other because sicker people, mean more customers. :/

[@jimmytimmy3680]

Because there's no democracy. Lol. People have no say in government. The every 4 year circus is just for show. Lol

[@melinda3413]

@@jimmytimmy3680 unfortunately.

[@rocketreindeer]

Good discussion guys. Much better than people yelling at each other. Appreciate this.

[@JamesSmith-sw3nk]

As someone who lived in both the U.S and Canada for 20yrs each, I much prefer Canadian healthcare. It is by no means perfect and it can vary depending on the province but getting sick in Canada will never bankrupt you unlike in the U.S especially pre "Obamacare", even if you were upper middle class like I was. I got very sick while in the U.S, I had never missed an insurance payment and the insurance company said "SOL, You had a pre-existing condition". I had to write a 5 figure check. When I got sick in Canada, I got prompt world class healthcare and didn't I have to write any checks. My taxes are 5% effectively higher.

[@noigelskram2435]

As an employed and productive American, Obamacare drove up my insurance premiums substantially and exacted punishment for trying to maintain a high deductible emergency plan. It killed opportunities. Why isn't congress on it?

[@shannonsollman3509]

@@noigelskram2435 insurance and pharmaceutical companies drove up their costs, because they wanted to make the ACA look bad. And it works because Americans buy the propaganda/lies.

[@larryc1616]

Yup, #1 cause of bankruptcy in the US is medical bills. You work and save all your life for retirement but lose it all in a medical emergency. ❤️Obamacare as a first step to universal health care like the rest of the developed countries

[@shannonsollman3509]

@@AbdulKhader-786 then move to a country with privatized Healthcare!

[@felixndayisdebologne9725]

@@AbdulKhader-786 Have you ever seen one?

[@miss_bougie6653]

This felt more like rational discourse rather than a debate, which is what is needed in Politics these days and Anna articulated herself so well as always! So glad she brought up the point of misrepresenting UK and Canada, we love our beloved NHS and fight tooth and nail to protect it from privatisation!

[@NanaYawAforo]

I miss this version of the world where we could actually talk to one another

[@nickrouse8426]

The political hyper-awareness and left and right wing division is so toxic at this point. Humans need to remember how to take care of each other before themselves without losing their minds over the idea.

[@fedbia2003]

Wow. This is what we need more of. TYT and Shapiro’s show are almost always inflammatory. But having two differing opinions sit down in a room for civil discussion is proof of what we can be. This is how you open up dialogue. Not screaming obscenities or making straw-man arguments.

[@markbellefleur]

Not one Canadian has lost their homes or gone in debt because they went to the hospital.

[@Kwk16534]

That should be broadcast on loudspeakers across our Epping country

[@bartdoo5757]

Canadians come to the USA for medical care instead of waiting in Canada.

[@Zaquria]

@@bartdoo5757 Only if they can afford the massive medical bill before they can even get treatment.

[@bartdoo5757]

@@Zaquria Who gets billed before treatment?

[@markbellefleur]

@@bartdoo5757 yeah because we love overspending on healthcare. Only millionaires will go to the states because they don't want to wait 6months for an elective surgery .

[@litoo2002]

Ben, a mathematical fact, the bigger your pool, the lesser risk you carry. So, if Sweden can have single payer, we for sure can.

[@Bauks]

I watched the whole video over on Ben's channel. It was a great conversation keep it up guys. Bridge this gap so we can move on to the real issues we face.

[@emperorgizmo3014]

Republicans are deeply immoral and dishonest. This won't change until they realign the majority of their parties positions and values with reasoned, logical and evidence based positions. For a party that worships the genocidal jealous hateful maniac God of the Buybull this will not occur until dumbass religion, specifically Christianity is ruined and functionally extinct. Which will be by the end of this century. By then humanity will be massively screwed on the environment to make up any ground we otherwise would have had if not for Republicans. Humanity is screwed in large part because of them. They aren't qualified to serve on a jury, they certainly aren't qualified to have opinions worth listening to on politics or even go about determining who to vote for. Because ultimately they don't care if what they say is true, their beliefs don't matter because they treat everything as a matter of faith. This allows them unlimited freedom to be as hypocrital and dishonest as they want. They still refer to a fetus as a PERSON. When a fetus (nonviable) has no consciousness, no thoughts, feelings and IS NOT a person. Do you think they just overlooked a MASSIVE distinction like that? NOO! They simply DO NOT CARE about reality. They reject it and will believe whatever BS they like. They are experts by now having been brainwashed into religion as young children they are simply transferring and applying their dumbass faith for a genocidal jealous maniac God for politics.

[@Bauks]

​@@emperorgizmo3014 You should really get off the internet and go touch some grass. To paint a whole group of people (let alone half the country) with such broad strokes is just silly. To think that we are going to rid the world of religion is just silly. Ben is a Jew not a Christian BTW. To think that somehow republicans somehow contribute more to global warming is just silly. I'm generally pro choice, I pay for TYT, and even I think a fetus is a person. Your republican neighbors aren't the problem. Your inability to see the other side as humans who have reasons to believe the things they do is a primary part of the problem. We're not enemies we are fellow country men and women. We all have more in common as regular people than with the wealthy people who make laws to benefit themselves to the determent of the rest of us.

[@TheFallenSerpent]

We need more conversations like this.

[@susan8946]

These conversations are worthless. No one that needs to hear Ana and this little man wil nentuning in to this

[@503sld]

NO!!!!!!!! We dont go to the states to get treated! Here in Canada, we have world class doctor! This is a lie that the best doctor are in the States!

[@APBpa]

Wow, this was excellent; I love this. More of this pleeeeeaaaaaz! These are the kinds of conversations we need to be having. Thank you Anna and Ben.

[@MaxMisterC]

Talking to a right-winger about solutions, is like talking to a child, who will NEVER grow up!

[@mstrwil73]

What?! An actual conversation without shaming one another? Man, if only politicians could do this, we could probably have meaningful changes and improvements in our country. It's amazing when you can actually hear each other's thoughtful points without yelling over each other.

[@nbee2724]

I’ve stayed at my job for 25 years due to health care! I definitely would have moved if that was not an issue.

[@briantrueman8924]

I live in Canada where we have single payer system. Health care is the responsibility of each province and territory. They are backed up by the federal government which forces them to be comparable. That means that every province can manage their own health care with additional financing from the Feds. Each state could manage their own systems, but no person could be deprived of certain minimum standards. It's not that difficult, people, you could do it if you kicked the insurance companies to the curb and allowed a single payer system. Stop building wealth, start building health.

[@moresalad221]

As a Public Health professional, you cannot just tell people to stop eating. It doesn't work. Evidence based interventions tailored to specific communities and their subjective views are highly effective. It's a multi-dimensional approach that looks into the many social determinants of health, like health behaviors, environment, genetics, geographic location etc.

[@dlldan6897]

Exactly, it was such a mean spirited thing to say. It’s incredibly unfortunate that so many people share the same viewpoint as him in regards to eating and weight gain. It causes a lot of harm to people who suffer from eating disorders and self image issues.

[@Ana-vz3uj]

I have a chronic illness in Australia and there is no doubt our health system is better at managing emergencies than it is chronic long-term health issues. That said, I pay $7 a month for a medication that actually costs $900 a month. So on that alone I’m VERY grateful to be living here.

[@glennjohn3824]

If it's chronic it means you are lazy and addicted to poor lifestyle choices... mooch.

[@jeffseaman6142]

He argues against himself sometimes without realizing it. "You have to compare apples to apples. [You can't compare Alabama to Hew Hampsire, because they are poor in Alabama.]" No kidding. That's broken. He wants "community based," but duh that changes nothing. Rich communities stay healthy with full care, and poor communities get sick with no care. His argument is completely broken. If you want to keep a nation healthy, you have to subsidize healthcare for everyone regardless of individual wealth.

[@andrina118]

From each according to their abilities, to each according to their need.

[@tonymockeridge338]

Universal healthcare is a basic human right. Any society without it demonstrates only that money is more important than people. No one should die of poverty.

[@missroyale9203]

All the money has been set aside for defense.

[@Hamish_A]

"Tell people to eat less". How about forcing the industrial food complex to not fill the shelves with terribly poor quality, over processed, high fructose corn syrup filled food?

[@injusticeforallmaheu5354]

Well if we don’t buy it they won’t make it. It’s a consumer driven market and if you are willing to buy shit someone will sell it .

[@horizon92lee]

Especially how food is priced, cheap unhealthy full meals being more cost effective than organic healthy options.

[@sophiamichael2788]

This type of conversation should be it's own KZbin channel. This is how we become united again.

[@Musicienne-DAB1995]

The unity was already there on many issues. It's astonishing how Ana Kasparian is actually more pro-American business by supporting tariffs than Ben, who takes a more capitalist position. I'm not sure where I sit on this issue, but it's great that those conversations can occur.

[@JayEm312]

I really like civil conversations from people with opposing views. It does a great job helping me understand different perspectives. This should be done more often. I would watch this all day

[@thecatsbackyard4833]

Yeah, and not just in politics but all of public discourse in every topic that concerns the public.

[@richardreese8038]

It is very refreshing

[@handlemchandlehandle]

Ana: hey, people have the right to live. Ben: well whenever you get into these conversations, you need to factor in the spin of Pluto, because as we all know bunny rabbits who have thrice seen the woes of the peanut butter industry, will all remember that almond butter has robbed every American of their right to bare arms because, as I say....bal bla bla... No! People shouldn't have to go broke to afford their own lives! End of story! Either agree or disagree, but stop talking peanut butter!

[@aeron6052]

Agree! Your Ben dialogue took me out! 🤣😭💀

[@woodyhitya]

“I would prefer to go back community based insurance” It just sounds like Ben also wants single payer healthcare but won’t admit to it

[@AlexanderSkinnerVids]

His oligarch handlers won’t keep the money flow going if he says it. Seriously, check out the Daily Wire’s funding, it’s SHADY.

[@GrandArchPriestOfTheAlgorithm]

Single Payer Healthcare is just Community Based Insurance for one big community, instead of many small.

[@gameofender4463]

@@GrandArchPriestOfTheAlgorithm which speaks to the Republican mindset of only caring about those who live next door. Not the whole country.

[@lpnelson6584]

If you hapen to live in a rich community, you'll be fine. Live in a poor community, you're effed. Good old Ben Shapiro capitalism.

[@jimbarber6368]

Administration costs for national Soc Sec/Medicare programs a few years back were 3 to 9% as opposed to for-profit insurance companies 15 to 21%. Oh, the inefficiency!! Of what level of community is he thinking?-- single payer by state, by county? But he likely wants insurance-company program admin.

[@MmmGallicus]

Shapiro doesn't seem to know a lot about European care systems nor about the wide diversity of European countries.

[@hrh-xj4fh]

Hey shapiro...you got it wrong us canadians are pissed at our health care system...but not cause we want to do away with it...we want the same just improved!!!! ....NO COUNTRY WITH UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE WOULD TRADE IT FOR THE AMERICAN MODEL!!!

[@berngirl5624]

Oh, God, his voice. I just can't.

[@Alkhemy84]

I'm not gonna sit here and say I don't intensely dislike Ben Shapiro, but to hear him and Ana have a debate/discussion and agree on premises is nice.

[@gimphandjeff]

It's a ruse by him. He'll go on his show and say the opposite.

[@OmegaMynd]

“America should stop eating so much” that is part of preventative care. We need to offer fresh foods and not proceeds foods to people especially those in poverty because they will eat junk food bc it’s cheaper. It goes back to investing more in people with our taxes.

[@sinofinance]

exactly.

[@JBond-zf4dj]

Canadian here. Had an appointment booked for next Aug, bi yearly thing....got an appointment card in the mail asking me to come in 8 months early. Thought that was strange, but went in. Nothing unusual going on. I asked about a weird pain I've been having. Was immediately called the next day to book an appointment for an ultrasound. Had the ultrasound two weeks later,got the results three days after that. Cost me three bucks for parking and whatever gas cost a month ago.

[@s0515033]

It actually cost 3 bucks parking/gas + the taxes in the background. People forget that.

[@JBond-zf4dj]

@@s0515033 I don't forget that. What I pay is minimal compared to what I'd pay if I had to pay fully out of pocket. Some people forget that.

[@s0515033]

@@JBond-zf4dj I don't disagree. The problem is that it's not actually 3 dollars. That's literally not true. Tax rates are very high to pay for everything. By misleading people into thinking it is basically free, you are giving ammo to the conservatives to call proponents economically illiterate.

[@JBond-zf4dj]

@@s0515033 it is true if you're self employed and make under 30,000/yr. I pay out of pocket for dental, chiro, eyes, etc, but nothing for medical. Just prescriptions...which have cost me maybe $15 bucks every five years or more...I rarely get sick / need one.

[@jamesfausett1003]

We need more civil discussions like this to solve problems.

[@Anonymous-sb9rr]

One thing that has a big effect on health is walking. When Americans move abroad they are often surprised by how much people walk on a daily basis. Make the pedestrian environment more pleasant and appealing.

[@NotesNNotes]

this is so true

[@ptolemyauletesxii8642]

Agreed. An SUV/fast food/sedentary office lifestyle isn't healthy.

[@sebastian-benedictflore]

Yeah but Ben will actively fight against that positive change since he's in the pockets of the fossil fuel industry and I'm sure would take money from the not so far removed car industry

[@jameshorn2856]

damn ben is almost there! he recognizes the system is bad but his ideas would make it worse

[@Yette]

Hilarious duplicity, Shapiro preaches he does not want to compare our health system to "Norwegian" model, about a minute later he says there are no overweight people in Scandinavia.

[@daveyheath5971]

Totally.. wow, I didn't even notice that. What a worm.

[@TheCasualRealtor]

His voice is super annoying!!!! Anyone else hear it?

[@immy829]

I've been saying that for years and his fast talking is annoying, too.

[@gregbrown8881]

It's like someone taught a hemorrhoid how to speak.

[@acatnamedmickey]

This is a really nice back and forth between two educated people, nice W for 2023

[@KaozVirtus]

In all seriousness, props to Ana for dealing with Shapiro.

[@sucktitles]

Ok sure, but... why does she?

[@robertserviss2165]

Great to see this incredible civil discourse between very ideologically opposed people. Kudos to Ben and Ana! I think we need more of this to close the divide.

[@taylorcarlson8537]

You took the words out of my mouth. So happy to see this.

[@trentmonaghan179]

This is an interesting conversation, but why do they speed up the audio whenever Ben Shapiro is speaking? 🤔

[@sitbone3]

Funny.

[@id10t98]

🤭

[@papigrande4378]

PLEASE, give me more of this! This is a rational debate on policy which is what this country needs.

[@johnhboden48]

Does anyone else find Shapiro annoyingly, frenetic.

[@barbthegreat586]

I think he just has cartoonish voice because of which I couldn't take him seriously even if he had something substantial to say.

[@PussyPusPus]

the way he talks makes me wish I was deaf, I cant stand it, I don't know how people can.

[@robmac5086]

Great chat from both of them, it's good to highlight deficiencies in systems around the world and discuss them, well done.

[@tg-ik5pf]

RAISE TAXES ON THE GREEDY RICH GRIFTERS!🗣️