New quality & cheap crossovers for Altec 19 speakers!

[@robertliskey420]

Have had my 19's for over 30 years. love them low power, high power they love it.

[@Stelios.Posantzis]

7:15 That is a dream set up right there. That is what I call a proper man cave! Money spent where it matters most, functional, practical, design follows function. No fancy, shiny stuff devoid of substance.

[@toulcaz31]

Thanks a lot for taking the time to take us on your journey. I hope you will still have time to share your speakers experiments leading you to the 19 and also the tube amps tests leading you to the MC30. 🙂

[@brucermarino]

Another great video! I have become a fan of externally mounted crossovers. It minimizes vibration of the components and makes changes and upgrades easy. Thanks again!

[@shanestephenson8423]

Great work. I love the raw format of this video. It just seems more authentic.❤🎧👍

[@dr.kristianrahbekknudsen4614]

Very nice. However, I still see a cored inductor, wire wound resistors and do check whether the screws in the connection block are ferromagnetic.

[@AmazonasBiotop]

Thanks for the video. ❤ If you have access to several amplifiers. Then a DSP for active crossover is sound quality superior to any passive crossover regardless price. Full stop 🛑. And also undoubtedly cheaper plus more precise and exact. Without any limitations. 💯💵 Doing passive crossovers is in comparison a very dumb place to place a crossover sound quality wise in a system. 😮 The only HUGE positive thing a passive crossover has is CONVINCE. 😅 (Byt we audiophiles are not into that when sound quality is a higher priority.) All you need is a measuring microphone and REW. With your active/DSP and amplifiers. 🎉😅

[@robertyoung1777]

I like the nice technicolor look of this video.

[@dougg1075]

Sounds great

[@leeseet2336]

i have a altec, u said u are waiting on the other custom higher end crossover to arrive. May i know where can i order them?

[@alvarocoutinho3103]

Hi! Many thanks for going all the length in order to educate us. Much appreciated! I just ask you a question in a five years old video, in the series of “The Best Sounding Format”, first video where you mention some good brands of recorders. The question is what you think of the Fostex E-2 machine. Thanks!

[@anadialog]

Just answered you! There is no such thing as old videos, the have the same treatment as my last

[@toulcaz31]

Guido, did you get the new crossovers in the end?

[@anadialog]

You won’t believe it…I am still waiting! It’s a special custom pair but this gentleman is very very slow 🥴

[@toulcaz31]

@@anadialog is he using Italian post? 😂

[@erdemkaya6472]

@@toulcaz31 Rowboat from China.

[@thomaslarsen9867]

You could live in that speaker.

[@leeseet2336]

More sound sample test on your new altec would be great

[@heinzr9734]

I don't want to be a know-it-all, I've already commented on your main video on the Altec 19 the xover. I made a point about the old capacitors. On the new Xover you can clearly see that they are all MKP types, polypropylene. Your old original caps are 99% likely to be MKT types, so polyester. There are threads in the Klipsch forum where Roy Delgado himself discusses this topic with us. If a xover was developed back then with polyester types then it has a very specific impedance curve. It was taken into account that the polyester types have a high ESR at low frequencies, e.g. 200 Hz. This is a relevant factor for the circuit and the overall impedance...even if this capacitor is only used at 800 Hz, for example. In the Klipsch forum some people report that they use replacement xovers from e.g. Bob Crites. Bob had used Sonicaps, which are polypropylene types with lower ESR at low frequencies than the original MKT caps. I also had a Bob Crites xover in my 1977 LaScala. I wondered about the metallic sound, the bad timing and the thin bass. I put all the blame on the old speakers. Then I followed Roy Delgado's advice and replaced the caps with polyester types, just like they used to be. Of course I used new MKTs, which you can get from Kemet, Nichicon and other manufacturers. What can I say! The horns sounded super natural and smooth again, the metallic scratchiness in the sound was gone. This has to do with the fact that the "Q" value decreases as the ESR increases. This makes the xover less stiff, which is very beneficial for the midrange horns. At the same time, the bass was deeper, fuller and super balanced again with lively timing. A sound like from a single source. I see that you intuitively raised the pot volume of the lower freq. to compensate for the thinner sound. But believe me, keep your new freq. crossover but give polyester caps a chance. Roy Delgado still does it today on the latest Heritage models, like AL5 AK6 especially since they basically still use the same old squaker horn K401 in the LaScala and the Khorn (which is a good thing). Klipsch doesn't do it for cost reasons but because it matches the original sound. PwK used motor run caps in oil back then from Aerovox, but they were also polyester types. Try it out, you're doing yourself a favor, otherwise the Altec 19 will sound too sterile in the long run, and eventually you'll lose the fun of it and you won't know why. An alternative to the polyester types which will keep the right ESR would be paper in oil types e.g. old Sowjet types or new very expensive ones.

[@anadialog]

Thank you very much for this precious input which I support. The problem is that one of my crossovers has problems so they need replacement. As specified in the video these are just for fun. The true high-quality crossovers, which should be objectively superior to the old ones is still to arrived since they are handmade by an ALTEC expert. Stay tuned!

[@heinzr9734]

@@anadialog I am very interested to hear how you experience the custom-made xover from the Altec expert. I'd be curious to know what types of caps he uses, and whether he'll be rebuilding the original crossover or using a different circuit. I'm looking forward to you making a new video about your sound experience with the new crossover👍

[@anonmachina]

But...but...you SOUND like a KNOW IT ALL. /sarcasm On a non-sarcastic note, the information you provided may prove highly valuable to my collection of audio data, as I plan to build a (relatively) small 2-way horn system some time this year, and decided to go the analogue crossover route in lieu of a miniDSP (which I will dedicate to the subwoofer xover). Thank You.

[@jeromelester8]

Great job!

[@trevorbartram5473]

In the last month I've modified the XOs in my speakers to overcome some poor choices in the original design. It's frustrating (two steps forward one step back) but has now come to a successful conclusion. I use SPICE to model the XO changes followed by listening tests. I noticed a couple of things regarding your Altecs: Do the woofer & access panels have gaskets? Foam lining is not highly regarded, have your tried teased BAF wadding? If the horn is diecast, it can ring like a bell, have you tried damping material glued to the horn? HTH Have you seen Joseph Crowe's YT channel, he's into horn design, I believe it will be of interest to you. Cheers!

[@DavidDatura]

You have a number of compact cassette tape decks in your system, including the legendary Nakamichi Dragon. I have to ask…which one sounds the best? And does the Nakamichi live up to its reputation? And how much does one in near mint condition sell for nowadays?

[@mfr58]

Could you point me to your video about using super tweeters with ATCs? Thanks.

[@joearonica6444]

Hello, can you share where to get a pair of those crossovers. Thank You, Joe

[@anadialog]

I just found them on eBay. Have no idea of the provenance unfortunately. The guy was just reselling them.

[@octaviomolina8822]

I own an even older pair of Altec Lansing which I have been using for 35 years in a very large listening room. where did you buy the crossover and where did you order the special crossover.? Thanks in advance

[@SuperMcgenius]

Don’t buy, this has many flaws sadly.

[@reco9632]

is sony xa5es is a good cd player? i also have tc k222esl cassette deck and i want to combine them together (because they both es serie machine) but i want to ask you before making a desicion for buying. is es series machines really work better with es machines together? or for 600 dolars, is there any better options out there? i am making cassette recording from cd and i want good, quality and analog sounding also detailed source to feed the casette deck.

[@anadialog]

I haven’t listen to it but I know that It’s an excellent player. I am Sure the xa5 will do an excellent job with your tape deck!

[@reco9632]

@@anadialog thanks. your videos are always helps me.

[@gordiefrench5342]

Very interesting I have always wanted to try compression drivers for home audio I heard in your demo a vocal presentation that was exact focus and clear Thank you for this informative video

[@johnsonadekunle7675]

I’m about to commit to a Reel to Reel machine and I need your advice on the brand and model I’m thinking of. Will shoot you an email soon.

[@espresso8925]

👍

[@JustFortheRecord66]

What is the crossover actually crossed over at?

[@anadialog]

800hz

[@ioannisthpapanagiotou9477]

Please allow me make a prediction: It will be Kenrick sound your new crossover? Thank you

[@anadialog]

Nope! ;-)

[@MrNeverlift]

Stock Model 19 X-overs were at 1200 hz.

[@anadialog]

Indeed. In fact the high-end ones that are still under production follow the original crossover frequency. This was just for fun but they indeed made a positive difference. Probably the quality materials did the trick.

[@AntoninPassemardPaintings]

A single ended triode 300b or 845 has be next! Right? 😅

[@anadialog]

I already experienced a quality 845 but didn’t make me crazy…300B certainly in the future but the next one is a different triode…

[@AntoninPassemardPaintings]

@@anadialog looking forward to see what you got!!

[@AntoninPassemardPaintings]

@@anadialog I have a 300b and a Audio Note dac 2. Seeing what you like I think you might love that! I was greatly surprise to go from a denafrips terminator to a audio note from the 90's. I firmly believe that i2s, dsd, hi res... are really nonense...

[@hoobsgroove]

The crossovers meant to go on the outside why you put it on the inside of the box for lol

[@sitomdd]

Waiting for Jagush? 🤔

[@anadialog]

Nope! ;-)

[@sitomdd]

@@anadialog now I'm thrilled 😂

[@asadabbasmirza9519]

Name of company manufacturing cross overs.

[@anadialog]

There isn’t. This is a DIY project done by someone else. The final ones will be here in a few months.

[@etm3398]

i know you will treat this comment like other cable deniers do when told cable makes an audible difference but tinned copper from duelund and we are probably better for your speakers than the neotechs.

[@davidpaabor1382]

Those crossovers were buildt to be out of the speakers for preformans benefit no? But you put them in the box just sitting in there why did you do that?

[@anadialog]

They are very small no influence in sound. I tried!

[@davidpaabor1382]

@@anadialogRealy ok that is intressting.

[@davidpaabor1382]

@@anadialog Did you try to put them on any isolation when they were outside like spiked platforms ore isolation feet? I wonder because i am ore was considering doing this modd to my speakers but no i am not so shure there is mutch to bennefit from this after i saw video from Paul Mcgowan from ps audio talked about doing this to his speakers and at the same time he uppgraded the x-over parts there was better sound but he was not shure how mutch of it ore if any of that came from removing them from them box and not only from the better parts? He had some ideas of that it might even be bennfisial to keep them inside the box i dont really know what be bennefitts could be besides mabey isolating them ore coupeling the vibrations from the electronics mabey i am not shure what are your thoghuts?

[@baldurval1]

I love your videos i enjoy them very much .Please make a video about the silver Pioneer cassette deck .I think is the CT-95 .

[@starlightgrecording559]

@starlightgrecording559 Hi Anadialog*** Gerard Stroh!!! I Like Your Altec 19 Speakers and Your New Crossovers For Your Speakers!!! Monday January 8th 2024 I should Have My UHQR Miles Davis Kind of Blue 45 rpm Speed From Analogue Productions $150 dollars and With usa Tax it Came to $174 Dollars and I can't Wait to Play it on my Pioneer PL-600 Quartz Lock Direct Drive Fully automatic Turntable with My Audio Technica AT33sa Moving Coil Cartridge with My Project phono BoxRS XLR Preamp and I Like Miles Davis Album and Down to Your Big Speakers they Look Awesome in your House and I Bet Your Master Tapes and your Records Sound Good in your House!!! Bye From Gerard Stroh***

[@CP-ij8hh]

You have put external x-overs inside the cabinets and then left them unsecured, totally bizarre.

[@anadialog]

Why should you “secure” them? I am not rolling them all day…

[@CP-ij8hh]

@@anadialog would you leave your roof tiles unsecured just because the wind doesn't blow all day.

[@themeantuber]

As always, your audiophile speakers seem to improve even the sound of my phone speaker. How is that possible, I still don't understand. I assure you, I'm not someone who would imagine things.

[@anonmachina]

Most audio posted on social media is highly compressed and not properly equalized (sometimes intentionally), to make use of a limited frequency range. What you heard in this video appears closer to a balanced ideal (even after being contorted by the various conversions affected when posting audio to KZbin), hence the smoother, more pleasing sound. Or so I surmise.

[@SuperMcgenius]

Just looking at the new x-over I see many things that high end designers would not do nor would I in any of my speakers. So you can do better than this.

[@anadialog]

Not new and very cheap. As I said it is a fun exercise before the real one, which will be coming in a few months since it’s custom made. Since we are here, enlighten us, what flaws do you see?

[@mobilgin]

Isn't a good time ,after unreasonable amount of money spend on "analog stuff", speaker cables and such😂😂, to get reasonable, and tray an active speaker set up.....with active crossovers and shear your experience and comparisons afterwords with us.

[@anadialog]

So what you say is reasonable and what I say is not, interesting! What you are depicting is the exact contrary of high-fidelity. I had a pair of ATC and also my GoldenEar Triton reference are partially active. They sound good but true high-fidelity is a different story.

[@GerardoRibero]

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[@Pete.across.the.street]

What a great comment it is. Really adds a lot to the conversation.

[@themeantuber]

@@Pete.across.the.street true! 😂 LoL

[@GerardoRibero]

@@Pete.across.the.street thanks for your kind words