Analog Rytm vs Tempest: Sound design comparison and demo

[@earlsfield]

After 3 Temepsts sold and bought:) i can sum it like this. Tempest - a blank slate, with tons of possibilities, NOT only a drum synth, it can be whatever you want crammed in those 6 voices. Sound great, latest 1.5 os fixed some issues, and also we have samples (although we cannot import our own). Do not forget, Tempest is slightly older than AR. Also, yes, architecture is basically Evolver with pads and some drum focused features, easy to use sequencer. You need to design your drums in one session, and compose and use them in another - at least i spent quite some time creating kicks, snares, beeps and blops, and if i have to try and make 808 out of this, i could, easily. In fact you can get kick, snare, toms, clap, kongas to sound EXACTLY like 808 if that is your style. It has crappy presets, as most of DSI/Sequential stuff. Iy has killer distortion and compressor. Feedback loop. No EFFECTS except delay, but ok. The main con - triggering only one sound via external sequencer., and a mess with MIDI triggering sounds externally, wrong notes, wrong sounds, totally random etc.This concept is such a drag. So, to conclude - Tempest - complex blank slate :) AR sounds modern and rich out of the box, reminds me of Maschine with those different drumsyths, and is definitely a contender. I love Tempest. would love to have AR too, but i cannot justify having both as I can make same sounds with Tempest. It is a matter of creative approach, what you prefer more. However, sound quality - I would say Tempest.

[@1vootman]

The Tempest is also a really great sounding and fully featured 6 voice polysynth...complete with VS waves, so there's that too.

[@Daath7Music]

I heard so many great sounds while he was dialing the Tempest in, now I want one!

[@Michael_Smith-Red_No.5]

A ripe apple and a glistening orange are a great combo. Thumbs up for showing examples of how each unit fit into a mix.

[@ingenuk4266]

I'd love to see an update on this video with the latest operating systems. RYTM does new oscillator modes and the Tempest got a more finished version since 2016.

[@DavidMorley]

Tempest is incredible.

[@auraglasswerks4900]

This kook said he never woulda got it? 🤓

[@ELEKTROGOWK]

I have DSI REV2, a Moog Subsequent 37, and some modular gear. Thought of getting a drum machine, so I could jam my music even without a PC. The first try was a Roland TR08s, what a freaky plastic shit of gear. It went directly back to the seller - I wish I would have had the money to throw it directly in the trash. Next was the Analog Rytm MKII. Great gear and very versatile, but the display was freaking me out. I am in my middle ages and my eyes are not getting better. The display way too small and I didn't get comfortable with the workflow. The last and forever is my Tempest. The name says it all!!! I have never regretted my decision and would always decide the same way if I could. Cheers

[@JohnBack]

Thanks man. Same situation and appreciate the feedback.

[@earlsfield]

Tr8s was just updated and it is a nice update for that class of products, however, both of these are two classes above regarding engines and quality. Combination I like is Tempest as main synth drum, supported with Digitakt as a sampler and some extra weird synth percussion you can get from modular drum machines and Volca drum. But core stuff would be Tempest/Digitakt, gives you arsenal for pretty much all genres.

[@savageparasyte76]

After owning a rytm I can say I probably will be trying to trade it for a tempest. I like it and it is very deep, but I am more into creating the drum sounds like a synth, and that roger linn swing is more tempting.

[@GDub83]

Probably one of the best VS between these two machines I have seen.

[@andrewbeveridge9178]

Again the compressor makes such a huge difference. At 23:09 I bet a lot of novice/hobbyists out there are underwhelmed by most drum machines because they compare them to their favorite recordings, without remembering that those have been mixed and mastered.

[@ronnieaux5290]

The thing about Elektron machines is that they are not just drum machines.. if you are choosing between something like a Tanzbar and a RYTM, you'd likely prefer the Tanzbar in a simple comparison. But the Elektron machines are all about exploration (if you just load a sound and go, you'll be disappointed, it's when you explore the sound-design capabilities that the machines shine.) Try just loading default sounds on a Machinedrum, you'll return it in a few days. Try exploring deeper into the sound design.. you'll keep it for life.

[@waxfiend7359]

Tempest all day long ! Great vid

[@InFamousProductions]

OMG Starsky baby, I just found this how did I miss it. the crazy part is that it's 7 years ago!! time is flying sooooo fast . I have a Tempest and I think about selling it, then I get on it and refuse to sell it.

[@nebula0697]

Starsky I know it's been a long time since this interesting review but in case you get yourself a Tanzbar 2 at some point I would love to see a workflow comparison between the Tempest and Tanzbar 2 since they do a lot of the same things combining drums and synth voices, both analog and digital.

[@gasparpini]

It’s nice to have a channel doing such a good content . I’m trying to figure out what is better for me. An Analog Rytm mkt 2 or the digitakt + the syntak. I need one or the other to create my own drum samples in the studio.. I work a lot with sound design and in the DAW I usually use synth and sample layers to make my own drum sounds. When I say digitakt + syntak it’s because I’m thinking about syncing the MIDI of the two devices and layering the synth (of syntak) with samples (of the digitakt). Example: in digitakt a clap sample and in the syntak a synth model clap. I’m trying to figure out which choice has more sound design power. In the Analog Rytm mkt 2 I can resample… but in the digitakt + syntak it looks like there is a bigger range of sounds for me to tweak and experiment with. What would be your suggestion? Thank you!

[@StarskyCarr]

It’s a hard one but I’d be inclined to go with the 2 rather than a single unit. It should give more options overall without complicating things… as long as you can figure out how to do full tracks using both. It must be possible.

[@bigdap100]

Man this sounds good! Just sold all my tracking gear, converters, microphones, mic pres etc...getting back into production and looking for a great drum machine to program my own sounds. Looks like the Elektron is the one.

[@Claidheambmor]

How did it go?

[@YonatanLidar]

cool ! looking in to getting the tempest. currently using the Yamaha rx11. still new condition

[@Matthewsavant]

The Analog rytm for me 100% especially with the addition of the duel VCO. Just from a sound perspective I much much prefer the sound of the AR but adding the Elektron sequencing on top it just rockets up to the absolute best drum machine on the market IMO. I don’t dislike the tempest I do like it but I feel that they are different enough in sound and workflow where they actually complement each other well.

[@GuitarsAndSynths]

agree I have an Elektron Analog 4 and Octatrack MK2 and love them. Use the Octatrack for drums and samples and the Analog 4 for pads and lead bass lines. Workflow and sequencer on the Elektron are the best on the planet. No other synth comes close.

[@TomahAwkDJ7]

Rytm seems really more for typic electronic production, like with a vst, sounds really clean not really analoguish. Sequencer seems greath though Tempest sounds really more raw and organic. More dynamic. So for me i guess it's gonna be tempest !

[@SPAZZOID100]

Tempest has a huge learning curve.

[@jeremifrancisco1]

Omg! Only by listening to the samples, I feel like it's an actual finished song! Thank you for sharing and I hope that we can work together in the future.

[@SPAZZOID100]

A song implies vocals/lyrics.

[@theoriginalheartstrummer]

@@technober Settle down. Jesus. Words matter. He's right. That's why we have different words for song, piece, beat, ballad, elegy, etc. Sure, go ahead and use one word for everything.

[@Wijnfles]

i've got both and i have to say the rytm is more handy within livesets, the tempest needs a new project loaded every 16 beats... This is HELL within a 2 hours live set you need to load another project and see that it fills in at the right timing (if you use pre-composed song/liveset parts of your drummachines) however the tempest has this amazing sound and feel, would not want to get rid of it, i'll miss the percussions and 'beautiful' arps too much. Its not a machine for sub and not a machine for baselines..Not at all it's more drums and nice synths but still very nice drums and very nice synths Also I don't get amazing kicks out of it, the jomox xbase 999 does a way better job at this and the elektron rytm also Still the perc side of this machine is heaven, the fact that you can arp all sounds together is just WOWLY MOMA! it's too nice to be true I find it more an instrument, therefore it's more for musicians than for producers (sorry this might hurt your feelings). If you play instruments (guitar, keys,...) you are much more likely to understand the full potential of a Tempest in ways the rytm can't satisfy you (even sound related). In the end there's nog better machine, it's te person holding the machine

[@AndyLekkman]

Thx! Your text gave me a better impression than the whole half hour of the video. The guy is just way too fast. I think too fast for him too. He does not compare sounds but jumps wildly between the advantage of both machines

[@moralrevulsionLive]

Tempest and analog four combo 🖤

[@savageparasyte76]

so I have owned both for anyone still checking. Personally I think the tempest fits me better because I like to make off beat and strange stuff. The rytm is not bad if you want it quick and the tempest is good if you don't mind making your own sounds from scratch.

[@mattsynth]

My Electron broke in less than a year and has been in service for over two month. I have never had any problems with any of my Dave Smith products. Quality and service should always be considered.

[@intandemdj]

+mattsynth Rare circumstance, I have 3 Elektron machines and they've worked for years, I know many friends with Elektrons and none of them have had any issues. Sorry to hear about your ordeal, but Elektron's build quality is superb, and their customer care, support and warranty is top of the line.

[@ronnieaux5290]

+Intandem DJ Same here. Monomachine and RYTM are going strong over a year now. Zero issues

[@TRaddcliff]

I've had an MD for 14 years. never has an issue. My Mono and A4 are also rock solid. Rytm and Octa to follow. No fear of failure. These boxes are rock solid.

[@SPAZZOID100]

+TRaddcliff machine drum was around 14 years ago??

[@ronnieaux5290]

James Reeno Yep. It's a classic. You could call it vintage now

[@bluename4]

how do they keep up with the "alphabase" from jomox?

[@AtonalMeasureRecords]

Tempest is one stunning sounding piece of gear, a bit of an arse to operate but worth the trouble

[@trevor4835]

Tempest looks sexy as hell far as gear goes, the Rytm MkII does as well. Would love to have the budget for both.

[@lstlvls2521]

I love Elektron devices, though between the Rytm and Tempest I prefer the sound and feel of the latter. It's more 'bouncy', 'juicy' and 'deep' than the Rytm. Hard to explain. But of course the sounds are only as good as the programming behind each sound, and the Rytm excels at being simple to come up with sounds. It's like two opposites - the Tempest gives you clay to sculpt into a vase whereas the Rytm gives you vases already sculpted but lets you deviate wildly from the templates.

[@earlsfield]

I find Tempest to be above everything else around. So much sound design in it, and even though I do have a respect for Electron “way” of sequencing, nothing can simply come close to the Tempest engine. In the flood of clones, drumbrutes, even Tanzbars, you get what you paid for - I strongly recommend Tempest to anyone willing to spend money on rhythm synth. You will get much more than standard set - and it unleashes creativity. Pack it and layer it together with some fm drums or a good sampler and you get solid percussion module for any genre. Sure, this is an expensive device, so if you are going for something cheaper look into Electribe or Volca stuff, I personally like Volca drum, nice modeling and layering to get out of the “usual” sonic palette of 808/909. Thats me, maybe you want those and thats fine, then get one, I prefer sculpting my own sounds and to be given a space to do so.

[@UberSynth]

The trouble with making kick drums is, it can induce a thumping headache if you spend too much time tweeking and refining whilst listening to the shape changes I find.

[@erikmccauley2088]

I used to used angular momentum's kick lab vst but I've moved towards kick 2 by sonic academy. I know it's in the box but it's a great visual tool to help you design custom kicks super fast.

[@truthbydesign5146]

Would love to have either of these machines, though it’d probably be a bit redundant with what I’ve got, Microfreak, A4 and MD-UW+ .. variety is the spice of life though.

[@18jdtp]

What about the Tempest vs the Analog Rytm MK2?

[@gooneybird808]

tempest takes forever to do anything. awesome sound but hell...when i get stoned i want to make beats asap! haha rytm is just faster to get started and can do way more.

[@thisis5123]

haha its the opposite for me. When I smoke I wanna explore every single thing. nothing ever happens and I eventually stop after doing nothing more than making a few random sounds. On the flip side though. When I come back to the stuff months later or something I end up finding I'm excited and inspired to do something with it.

[@esoteric6178]

gooneybird808 tempest has more synth capability.

[@modularben7421]

agree- espresso is my drug for music production and has never let me down

[@richardwalley2862]

Yea get a tr8s and get stoned

[@nebula0697]

the Tempest is way deep and aspects of. the interface could have been simpler. Love the pads though. Maybe didn't need to be quite that deep. For the price basic sampling could have been included. Of all the comments on the question, it seems the Tanzbar doesn't get too much criticism, but someone still needs to br inspired by these machines and make a fun killer sounding alternative for like 1000 dollars.

[@NoirEtBlancVie]

Ooooo I’m very interested in this, gonna point people to this as they keep asking me to compare these two on my channel and I kinda don’t want to 😂

[@StarskyCarr]

Thanks, it’s a bit old and not quite as punchy as I’d make now, but I cover most things. You’ve some pretty nice videos yourself :) and j DJ t blame you for not wanting to do it - it was a pita 😂

[@station2station544]

I have time on both. The Tempest punches you in the face and has this flat kick that i love. Starsky is right that it lends itself to hip hop and house. The Rytm tends to sound like a Rytm. You can pick it out of every track it's used in. It's very EDM. Take your pick - I get lost in the file manager of the Rytm, which is a problem. Another thing about the Rytm - the performance mode tricks are becoming a bit overused. And the notion of param locks - I'm starting to hear that in music - I hope the unit doesn't become too cliche. If you like the flavor of the Prophet 5, DMX, LM2 you'll like the Tempest. If you like the Virus Ti2 you'll love the Rytm.

[@savageparasyte76]

which I read this before getting a rytm and I like it, but I think the tempest is more up my ally after having the rytm for a while. I find my self needing more of a good synth engine and a good swing like the tempest, and the rytm at times feels more "tame" and electronic than a tempest seems.

[@station2station544]

I like the RYTM don't get me wrong. It's got great effects including the compressor - and the ability to layer a sample and an aloof drum generator on a single pad and go 80/20 to get the right ratio is powerful. There is a quality Divine 909 drum Pack for the Rytm which is great. But the Tempest is a dirty character with soul. And you mention synthesis...the new OS 1.41(? can't recall) has a lovely arpeggiater - and when used with the synth engine - and by putting the various scales such as A-Phrygian, E-Dorian, etc...on the pads, melodies fall out of the machine (I think you can go that deep, I KNOW you can nail down a key signature such as Ab minor). I hope they further the development of this box or come out with a a LINN Tempest 2 before one of those old timers drops dead. LOL.

[@savageparasyte76]

yeah I like my electron, but it seems so calculated at times. It is a great device, but I feel like it is a lot more aimed to a techno guy. The tempest has the real mpc swing, nice pads, and seems like better for playing with finger drums and sculpting the sounds rather than step sequencing and putting in percent values.

[@ShaighJosephson]

That's the info that I was looking for... Thanks... ☺️

[@77advanced]

I had no idea how flat rytm sounded until I got it from a friend for a few days. literally everything sounds better than elektron in terms of raw analogue sound.

[@daemonelectricity]

Why not both?

[@CalebCromb]

Why not Zoidberg?

[@adamdoran235]

@@CalebCromb He he

[@modularben7421]

I like the pads better on the Tempest but the workflow on Elektron Rytm better.

[@zazz63]

great video!! you mentioned that you had done some tracks with the tempest drums coming through proud on the final mix....any links that i can hear those cheers?

[@ahzootube]

Tempest all the way! It is way more creative and human feeling. Rytm sounds solid on the low end yeah, but do you want to make another generic sounding EDM or tech-house track?

[@trevor4835]

ALP it’s a tool and you can make whatever you want with it.

[@JonathanGrover]

Actually, Tempest allows you to easily assign sounds to a specific Voice out by pressing Mod Paths button then hit down arrow button and turn the knob for voice assignment v1 to v6. So you do not need to plug and unplug cables as you said.

[@StarskyCarr]

I know... I assign them to the voices.. which is how I use the Patchbay. But by using the Patchbay I dont have to plug different leads for various FX for example into the Tempest - I do it all on the patchbay. So as I said, I don't have to plug and unplug anything on the machine itself.

[@EightsEverywhere]

Analog RYTM has a lot to saturate the sound per channel amp [OVR] and on the master fx [Dist] and I feel like it's almost necessary to do that to make it hit hard enough with my analog synths. It seems to me like the Tempest would be easier to get a cleaner sort of warmth from yea?

[@platinumedgemusic9293]

Eights Everywhere you are exactly right. I have a armk2, and I’m realizing I have to and overdrive to almost everything to get it to hit. The problem is I don’t want to use distortion all the time, even if it’s light. What the rytm can do is awesome.....but the analog engine is lacking

[@digitaldiezel5870]

Tempest all day! I would not mind putting in time to learn the instrument and the analog programming techniques. When i need to work quickly I can use Abelton Live or an MPC.

[@Nobody95008]

not really a techno guy but i love to make beats for calypso soca reggae reggaeton dancehall you know music of the world

[@xaosm_os]

if you wanna save correctly a pattern on the Rytm and its drum kit, the trick is to link each pattern to its own Kit. Save pattern, save kit in a new slot. If you use the same kit and tweak another pattern, you're changing Kit data for the previous pattern, it messes it up.

[@74goldenjet]

How is the Tempest for making 80s synthpop drums?

[@eventhorizon1414]

Buy Roland MC-707

[@74goldenjet]

@@eventhorizon1414 I already had a Tempest and sold it. Too tedious. I ended up using a Tr505 more than the Tempest 😆 Thanks for the tip. I will check it out 😊

[@Mnr.222]

why are people willing to take an inferior sound quality just because it takes a few minutes to create from scratch. Creating is fun. Every track ive released, ive spent more then a week on each, maybe even more.. taking my time, putting effort into each sound and refining to be just right. people need to stop rushing tracks. " i can get it done sooo quick".... yea and your music will sound just like that............... tempest + mfb Tanzbar + vermona drm = amazing combination.

[@ronnieaux5290]

The RYTM is *definitely not* inferior sound quality. It is its own thing. I actually don't really like the sound of the Tempest all that much. I've heard it a million times, and it's never really grabbed me. But as for sound quality, the RYTM has a very smooth sound and especially with the 1.3 update, there is a wealth of synth engines and they are all very capable of great tones. Elektron is a modern classic for drum machines. The Machinedrum and RYTM are both excellent.

[@sabinacovarrubiasa]

The thing with Tempest is that you can sculpt what you want, may be demo sounds are not great, but you can create really great sounds as long as you work for it

i couldn't agree more. I own both and with 2 analog Osc, i can scuplt all AR's kicks with the Tempest. Other way around isn't possible.

Rytm isn't inferior for sure, it definitly has a better sequencer. But for the sound, i'm into Tempest. Much warmer and organic. Rytm always sound cold and numeric like samples to my ears. For Hhat it's fine but claps are pretty harsh too. For kicks, no matter i try to change the paramaters, there's always a resonance or attack i don't like and i always go back to the Tempest.

[@midinerd]

Hey guys. I could put up some videos that would probably stomp what a tempest sounds like with a machinedrum. I only say that to flex for a second but I really just want to see some videos of the tempest that sound actually slammin, sexy, or somehow artistically alluring. It does feel more like a technical box than a 'drumming machine' based on the user-interface feel. Got any dope-ass videos of any clever stuff it can pull off that I can check out?

[@thejester3112]

Im glad everyone likes the rytm dont want my drums sounding the same as everybody else

[@VJFranzK]

Q: with Ritm, you could use a bit of the main distort and compressor to get a more "dirty" sound?

[@Sadows12]

I really think I'm just gonna get a DSI Tempest... Seen A LOT of people with issues with an AR MK1/MK2

[@GuitarsAndSynths]

I would pass on both and get the MFB Tanzbar.

[@Sadows12]

@@GuitarsAndSynths Bit of a necro, but I did end up with a MFB Tanzbar and a ARMK2 lmao.

[@BobIGomez]

I have never touched a drum machine . Do these have some good preset beats to get me started...how about using them with the Prophet 6.... I could have a Pro 6 + tempest =12 voice synth right ... is this possible with Electron?

[@StarskyCarr]

Hello again.. They both come with preset rhythms. The elektron also has cheap downloadable sample/kit/pattern packs which are really useable. They're £12 each and cover a variety of styles. The tempest can be used as a 6 voice synth. You'd need to copy the same sound patch to 6 pads, so not as simple as a basic synth. You can't do this with the elektron as each voice has its own distinct synth architecture so they can't all hold the same sound. Now you can see why I ended up keeping both :)

[@BobIGomez]

+Starsky Carr thanks ..I looked over the Tempest Manual & I see preset sounds,however I was thinking more of patterns or styles or a template to get started with. Also should be nice as a Sequencer however it says only one note at a time.seems like the Elektron might be easier to start with & is almost a prerequisite or necessity among synth enthusiasts. It might come down to what I make from selling a guitar ,gun or saddle...haha.Have you used the Pro6 +Tempest as a synth etc.?

[@StarskyCarr]

+Bob I. Gomez yes they both come with preset patterns, I've not used the tempest as a synth... Lucky me I have enough synths ;) although I have used it for basses and general weirdness. The elektron is more flexible on the whole and if I was to choose one it would probably be the Rytm. It covers much more ground, and with the parameter locks, performance and scene modes it can be a great live instrument. It takes more to set up the scenes but that's because it's more flexible. I mean flexible from the ground it can cover. As you can use your own samples it goes without saying that it can sound I like anything you want. Some may say the tempest is more flexible as you're not forced to use specific architectures for each pad. Don't forget though that you can always use the tempest as 6 individual monophonic synths!!! Comparing against the cost of the Vermona perfourma, analog 4 or Mophox4 may put a different slant on things from a synth and flexibility standpoint!

[@MrNickBuckner]

Are you asking if the Tempest can sequence external gear(prophet 6) while also running built in drum patterns?(I am curious about this too )

[@auroraXploration]

Gain staging is same for both ? Rytm sounds a bit tinier ... a bit frightened so to say ... :) Dont get me wrong i've got the Rytm for like 4 years now, but am thinking about something more solid and dense and present and tempest is the only one there is i think.

[@williammindreaders1029]

Hi Starsky Carr, I really like the wooden side of your AR is it a stand ? can you give link for buy it ? or maybe you build yourself THANKS

[@StarskyCarr]

Williams Bonnel Thanks for dropping in :) I got them from eBay. This item is something similar (I don't think mine are quite as nice .. these are walnut!) 152272767459 currently on eBay.co.uk

[@williammindreaders1029]

Thanks for the info

[@GuitarsAndSynths]

I am thinking of getting this or the DSI Tempest and the new Octatrack for my live rig.

[@StarskyCarr]

+Renaissance Man difficult decision :) I've a lot of love for the Tempest. Like an unruly child it has its own character. The Rytm is probably more adaptable as it can use samples and it's so much easier to get up and running. If you're getting the Octotrack for sampling duties I'd get the Tempest. There's a really good couple of vids (can't remember the name) that show how to emulate 909 and 808 kicks brilliantly. These are excellent starting points for making your own sounds. Can't express enough how much I like the character though.

[@GuitarsAndSynths]

Agree, and my dream setup for live and studio would be something like this: 1. Octatrack MKII for sequencer/sampler 2. DSI Tempest for drum beat machine 3. Access Virus TI2 Polar for digital synthesizer The Virus is super expensive but used I see them for 1300 compared to almost 3k new so they are better buy used. The Elektron gear used does not drop much in value so better to buy new. Same for Tempest.

[@StarskyCarr]

+Renaissance Man That would be a nice set up. FYI I have the virus TI (not TI2). I think the TI 2 only has extra voices. For love I wouldn't think it was necessary unless you run a lot of tracks. I've never maxed out the TI. Could save a few $ getting an original TI.

[@GuitarsAndSynths]

Thanks and this would be tons of fun. I love the Moog Sub37 but want a high end digital FM synth and Virus is the top pick albeit expensive. Another option is find a used Virus TI desktop and add a cheap MIDI keyboard controller. Used Virus TI first gen are much cheaper on the used market than the keyboard versions.

[@GuitarsAndSynths]

I like them both but the Tempest costs $500 more than the Analog Rytm and does less. I rather save the $500 for other useful add on gear like money toward another synth or sequencer.

[@automatonpilot5040]

Does less? Not quite.

[@TROGULAR10000]

can you control samples chromatically with a midi keyboard on the Rytm?

[@auroraXploration]

yep

[@gmcenroe]

For your comparison, I liked the sound of the Tempest better than the AR, but maybe you didn't push the AR to its limits? What do you think of the Vermona DRM1 for its sound sculpting since I know these machines do much more besides sound generation.

[@StarskyCarr]

Hi - thanks for the comment. No, I didn’t push either to their limits. It was really just to show the immediate differences in programming style. I’ve not used the Vermona but have put a few opportunistic low bids on them in the past (won one but it was never sent!). I really can’t justify one having both of these :)

[@gmcenroe]

Thanks for your reply. I also really like the Vermona Perfourmer MKII synth for its sound quality.

[@earlsfield]

Oh yeah and about this annoying thing with voices/channels not playing once cable is plugged in - many of the devices have this feature - first one that comes to mind is Drumbrute (and i think Impact has the same approach).

[@GeekGearSynths]

I find it very handy. For me the kick drum is the dominant element. I love to shape it with outboard gear. So, I use the individual out. But at the same time I take all the other instruments from the master. In this setting I don't want to have my kick in the master.

[@iceblack24]

I think electron definitely stept it up with the introduction of overbridge software GAME CHANGER for the rytm. Is there something similar for the tempest?

[@savageparasyte76]

I'm between this and a rytm. I like the sound on both, but I want to know can you make off beat music on the rytm? All I hear is techno or house on it. That seems like something pretty expensive to be so limited. I would not like to pay 1500 for a techno or four on the floor machine. The tempest I hear techno, dubstep, and other styles. My question is can you get this on rytm? I don't want to sequence my drums in ableton if I have this haha. Check out "Homers Website". The off beat kick or at least the feel of the off beat kick is what I want to be bale to get. Is it possible with rytm?

[@StarskyCarr]

Take a listen to some of the add on AR packs you can download from Elektron. They're quite wide ranging and gives you an indication of the flexibility. You don't need to buy these to get similar sounds, they use internal analog circuits plus samples... You can import whatever samples you like. Take a look at the Strom app a user made for the AR adds more playability and sampling ease. I think the sequencer on the Rytm is more flexible than the Tempest. You can have different time signatures on sounds in a pattern in advanced mode. Download the manual to see what I mean. It's so easy to do techno and EDM on the Rytm I'm not surprised there are lots of demos. They will all have a similar sound as they use the onboard FX. Tempest users have to use their own outboard/DAW FX. Sitting on the fence here... 😀 so probably not much help, but I wouldn't be put off the Rytm thinking it's ONLY good at electro styles.

[@savageparasyte76]

I looked into the extra sound packs, and I am probably going to get the rytm because I saw it was more versatile, and I like how clean the sounds are in it.

[@nandoblondemobydick5438]

Rytm owner here, now just the AR MKII is on the coner i really prefer to buy the Tempest, the signature Analogue Heat sound is not for me (that´s what is new about the MKII´s sound), But Rytm I is OK hyper Techno machine great for taking the place of the old TR 909 which as become a too boring sounding machine over the years to me, AR can be played very fast as the TR 9O9 can, for impro and even soloing, and the sound is a 100% Techno flavor as well the production manners. Tempest as more Sinthesis capability and is a better Sound Design Machine when you sit down and think, if i´m not confuse even as more oscillators per voice (maybe 3??), regarding the 1700 $ cost of the new AR MKII i will no hesit on picking a Tempest which to me is more fair in cost

[@tomgibavitch1]

I was just watching the SUB37 tuts now this! Do you select first and ask questions later? Nice set up, I only have the SUB37. Vapor Gust

[@rhythmdroid]

Analog Rytm just got a 1.3 OS update...new drum engines!

[@modularben7421]

but it has tons of hardware/firmware OS issues. Will wait til Elektron fixes their hardware which is sad because I love my Elektron A4 and OT.

[@coltonbest5511]

I have a tempest, but I think I want to trade for a Rytm.

[@WerkPl]

you will regret

[@GabrielEugenio87]

Why?

[@WerkPl]

because of sound :) And also pads in Rytm are crap. I had both and kept Tempest although I'm a huge fan of elektron's sequencer. Rytm is the only Elektron I don't like :) MD, MNM, OT and A4 are fantastic!

[@savageparasyte76]

trade me I have a rytm but I want a tempest

[@ronnieaux5290]

RYTM is an excellent drum machine. Extremely deep sequencer, great sounding synth engines, and you can really get lost in how much you can do with it. It's a brilliant device. I think the best thing to come out of Elektron since the Silver machines (MD, MnM).

[@minimaleffort3466]

Damn the tempest sounds really powerful

[@BastiaanvandeWerk]

Great comparison - could you do one with the new (1.30) os? Loads of new drum / synth engines that make the Analog Rytm an even better machine than it already was.

[@squoblat]

Do you still have the Tempest?

[@StarskyCarr]

yes.. love it.

[@EverettDudgeon138]

I'm really on the fence still. I just sort of want the sound of those classic Linn Drum, DMX with simple programmability like those use to have. I'm sure the Tempest can do that but it seems that I'd be wasting it if I just wanted basic 80s beats like Carpenter, Faltermeyer etc. The Rytm looks nice but I'm not convinced it can have that type of power those classic drum machines had. I think the biggest flaw these days in analog drums is they are too focused on including synth technology with them and not just making them...well...drum machines.

[@StarskyCarr]

It might be worth taking a look at the Elektron Machinedrum. The non user-wave model (ie the one you can't import your own samples) is pretty much what you're talking about. It has a few 'machines' to produce xox, FM sounds etc, so you can choose which style of drum machine you're emulating and mix and match. It has deep programmability as with the AR, you can edit the sounds until they are unrecognisable or just tune the defaults to taste. They've recently discontinued it but you can still get hold of them. I had one and sold as I really don't need 3 drum machines. You can sequence simply, like a 909 etc, or start adding parameter locks, FX, to your hearts content. Importantly from your perspective is that you can keep it really simple. Same goes for the AR, you don't have to go deep to get impressive results, but it's twice the price of the MD. FWIW I thought the AR sounds where much beefier and useable from the outset.

[@SPAZZOID100]

Use sample sets then.

[@j.du6]

EverettDudgeon138 if you have a computer in the mix, checkout the Arturia Spark LE. It's a joy to use and gets a tasty groove going in no time at all. It's actually really deep or shallow depending on where you wanna go and what your aims are. The hardware is strong as are the performance effects and tricks, plus you can load your own samples and mix and match kits. Sooo fun.

[@lbrown7164]

Both are beasts

[@NickHchaos]

I'm really surprised more people don't use the Tempest (at least in these videos) as what it truly is: a multitrimbral synth and sequencer (and some of those voice of multitimbrality can be drums). You only hinted at this towards the end of your video, but this is its main attribute and advantage over basically every other "drum machine" (Including the Elektron). To get the same sense of level of functionality within a Tempest (in terms of simultaneously sequencing a variety of very different voices, for starters), you really need a more conventional "drum" machine sequenced in tandem with other non-drum/lead synths. That's the conclusion I've come to, anyways.

[@AlexandreBique]

Would you recommend it as an advanced electribe or spectralis? I'd like to use it standalone but I'm scared that without the delay/reverb it might be a little bit dry. I want to make some kind of psy techno/trance, but I know that I have to make it minimal due to the 6 voices. Eh psy without delay and reverb? :)

[@NickHchaos]

+Alexandre Bique I've never used either of those so I can't say except that I think you'll find the Tempest and other DSI products are leaps and bounds beyond anything released by a large corporation like Korg. Now I've sold my Tempest and am operating mostly in the modular domain and if I read this right, you're concerned Tempest *only* has 6 voices..? 6 voices is a LOT. If you actually have interesting melody and harmony going on with modulation and some effects, it's hard to manage more than half that in real time unless the extent of X voice becomes "play these 2 notes repeatedly on the 3rd and 5th beat," which goes a long way towards explaining why most electronic music is not taken too seriously by most musicians and composers.

[@AlexandreBique]

How about having midi delay on the hi hats? That can quickly take a lot of voices?

[@NickHchaos]

+Alexandre Bique ? Not sure I understand, delay doesn't affect the number of voices.

[@AlexandreBique]

In case of the tempest, there is a midi delay so it repeats the note instead of the sound. Does it use new voices or it does all on the same voice? Thank you :)

[@sentimental7167]

Seems you prefer to use the TP, the AR is much much more versatile than shown here!

[@StarskyCarr]

Thanks for the comment, and thanks for watching. You're right, the AR is absolutely more versatile, but there is already plenty of info online demonstrating it, for example, the AR sound pack demos on Electrons site show this off brilliantly. Here I'm showing the specifics of sound design and how they differ in that respect. I found there was lots of comparison videos and other stuff, but nothing showing the peculiarities of both in creating sounds. I don't prefer one over the other. For quickly making a beat and something useful over a track already in development its normally so much easier to use the AR. I generally use the Tempest for playing around from 1st principles for fun/inspiration, to bring me in from a different perspective. But love em both! Hope you got something useful from it. I don't use either for a full track as I sample into Logic for production, and don't use them live. I find the AR is also great for demoing FX especially with parameter locks etc, but tend to reproduce these in the DAW.

[@krobo]

Very helpful, Thanks.

[@StarskyCarr]

Glad you found it useful

[@JSchuurman]

delicious demo!

[@JSchuurman]

im drooling over both these machines too bad its over 2k in canada for both these machines

[@StarskyCarr]

+J. Schuurman thanks, glad you liked it, it makes the effort worth while.

[@jmfhsmith4923]

Hey, thanks so much. Great kits. The sound quality of these units is so much better that I thought from watching most other demos. And the kit's you put together are so informative to me. I can't believe all this. What compressor are you using on the units in this video? Not the final mix but before that?

[@StarskyCarr]

JMFH SMITH glad you liked the demos. The AR was not going through a compressor, but the Tempest was patched through an Elysia Xpressor ... before I turned it off! I love the Xpressor, so versatile and can be transparent or add some character to suit. It makes a huge difference to the overall sound of both machines, and pretty much anything else you throw at it. Plus it's amazing value for money which is a bonus ;)

[@kimanieblack2646]

Starsky Carr are you saying the tempest is more of a drum synthesizer than the rytm is?

[@StarskyCarr]

No, they're both drum synths but approach it in a different way. The AR has dedicated structures for each type of sound, so a kick will always sound like a kick (or start off sounding like one at least). The Tempest has the same structure for every sound, so is more synth like in its outlook - everything is made from the same fundamental building blocks. Most drum synths have different structures per voice (like the Vermona DRM1 plus all the old roland classics). The Tempest is more like a synth from that perspective, but a drum synth is a different beast altogether from a synthesiser. So... the Tempest is more like a synthesiser for drums... ;)

[@kimanieblack2646]

Starsky Carr Thanks man.

[@Dt3kno]

Thanks great video...

[@_nrlvs]

Thank you!

[@Ganchan_]

Nice, what brand of patch cables do you use, they seems cool.

[@cuddlybear4524]

I want a synth that goes pew pew pew!!!

[@thedjruiner]

If Im getting into the post-$1000 range, even post $750 I might as well spend $1500 and get a tempest (about the means price Im finding used). Miss my 909 and want to step into a new realm of modern classics.

[@cfcreative1]

compared to the Tempest the Elektron is a piece of lego.

[@trevor4835]

A4 and Rytm and boom

[@PilferMusic]

Elektron gear as a sound, not bad but they all kinda have that Elektron sound... Tempest as you say is dirty and not easily to identify as a "type"

[@flyingdoctorcee]

The Tempest just seems so dirty n punchy ,says so much more with less! , I want one

[@raven-jz6cv]

I think the real contender of tempest is the uw machinedrum.. not rytm..rytm has the stock core worst sounding of a drum machine ever made while machinedrum is like a modular in a box just like the tempest

[@zazz63]

rytm sounds apologetic and refined ...the tempest sounds a bit in your face rude ...very 80s.

[@izraelservantofalmightygod]

1500 Eur for the tempest... I guess I will rather get digitakt and two other Elektron machines or some synths :D

[@StarskyCarr]

But then you wouldn’t have to spend weeks learning to program it! Where’s the fun in that 😂

[@izraelservantofalmightygod]

@@StarskyCarr the machine sounds great and I bet there is a certain pleasure in learning it but why it is so expensive? :(

[@7Heaven69]

I think you are working in dsi

[@StarskyCarr]

Haha... unfortunately no-one pays me for any of this!! Take a look at the end of this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aWXPp4aKaK5rqLs to see my comments on my latest DSI purchase

[@paul_bismuth]

I confirm ! Without looking at the link, I'm sure it's about the rev2 ! I finally bought it and for now, " I'm touching wood " as we say in France, to have luck to not have issues yet ! ;-)

[@HH-Thorsten]

Kann man irgendwie nicht wirklich vergleichen, da für mich der Import von eigenen Samples extrem wichtig ist. Daher fällt für mich die Tempest gleich raus.

[@ParalysedGekko]

Rytm wins.

[@Seeattle]

If you gave me a tempest I could do a million things with it

[@petercharles1501]

think different... sound different.. be

[@mpmi7588]

I will make drum kits with my Pro 3 and sample them into my MPCs and have a better sequencer and sound editor than both of these machines.

[@rodrigoroque4831]

Nice!, Who cares?

[@mpmi7588]

@@rodrigoroque4831 I guess you do since you commented

[@daguy7575]

I hate the analog rhythm. Tempest is a beast

[@Axiomstatic]

Owned both and tempest sold, it has a weak sound compared to the Rytm

[@ogfullmelt4204]

that moment when he says the tempest has a grittier sound than the elektron...lolz. no bro the elektron is strides grittier

[@Mnr.222]

negative.

[@ronnieaux5290]

The overdrive on the RYTM is extremely deep and gritty. He's just not pushing it.

[@MusicGearNuts]

incorrect.

[@alfiedotwtf]

I have to laugh... you've got all these awesome and expensize synths, yet have one of the worst Apple keyboards ever made 🤣

[@auralplex]

Tempest is more of a percussive/weird drums type of machine/synth. The Rytm has much better kicks... horrible snares/claps. Ok hi hats. That's the synth engine, the sample engine is irrelevant as the tempest has only very shitty ROM samples with no import capability.

[@StarskyCarr]

I have to say, when I first tried the Rytm I was bowled over by the kicks.. and still am. I had a Machinedrum previous and never clicked with the sound of the kicks. This was love at first sound.

[@brunostroszek3928]

Elektron: overpriced, overhyped toy junk for hipsters.

[@7thvenom]

This end up being a video about the Tempest because you barely played anything on the RYTM just kept going back to the Tempest. Thumbs down

[@user-gq6sf4si6j]

I always find some of the very best things in life are equally frustrating at times. Tempest for the purists.