Analog vs Digital Summing Comparison (ft. Satori Monitoring Controller & Tegeler Tube Summing Mixer)

[@jonathanfurtado7611]

3:38 Digital summing 3:54 Satori 4:10 Tegler tube summer

[@rodrigobelinchon2982]

thanks man

[@i.shadrin]

almost no difference on this particular mix

[@prcption8636]

Digital is darker in a bad way Satori sound more silky more sparkle

[@Truth565]

I prefer the sound of the Tegler Tube summing on that particular song. To me it feels like the vocalist is channeling a retro vibe, and the tubes bring that out better.

[@bingobongo1673]

Decent production, solid knowledge, best video I know comparing digital to analogue summing. Satori is incredibly clean. Thanks for the video

[@hotelink8954]

Satori hands down

[@kamilmacinski5691]

Great work! Possibly the best summing comparison on YT. All 3 mixes sound great to me and i would risk a guess that nice analog mastering would make those indistinguishable.

[@nitin4108]

Mordern workfow Hybrid producion+Mixing, High quality analogue mastering

[@StudioLife101]

Huge level boost.... No way to judge real difference. Null test... 👍

[@razormix]

I feel analog gear is great because you can work less to achieve wonderful sounds. I noticed just running a mix through an SSL Fusion instantly sounds better with minimal effort. But if I arrange my UAD plug-ins to find that right combination, digital can achieve impressive results too. Of course this is if your mix is already 90% solid before mastering.

[@t3reeproduction314]

Nice video.. do you think you can do one with a song thay was not tracked through a ssl board.. just something made itb being thats how a big portion of musicians are working nowadays...I feel the ssl has already added some character to it..

[@di.sociado]

Yess please!

[@anthemmakersmusic]

I like the tube and valve summing better than the other 2

[@91soundstudios42]

Thanks for the video, both the summed mixes are louder than the original. Any chance we can get the actual files from this video?

[@raibard8886]

Great comparison! To my ears the Tegeler seems just a bit clearer in the mids and upper mids, than the Satori.

[@Heartbeatzofficial]

Would be nice if the comparison was level matched... smh

[@portamentouk]

great to see a shootout like this, well presented, good job

[@mrentrepreneur7965]

EXCELLENT REVIEW DO MORE PLEASE !!!!!!

[@hummarstraful]

Definite improvement. I'm sold. Gonna got this route when I can afford it. Oh, just saw the price $2000. Well, I guess not.

[@TERUMI7]

Nice comparison video I like a tube sound.

[@philmartin7474]

I hear it,, the Summing Mixers have more sparkle and excitement and depth. I would also really like to hear a mix summed through your Toft console as i keep thinking of getting one.

[@RobinApplewood]

Are you sure these are diligently level matched? Even a .3db boost across a mix for referencing will make it sound "better"

[@marlowdurden5330]

How and where and what is the are you using for your mixing console and that's just in front of you on this video okay I'm looking at it on 9:15 22 I want to know what type of console that is or is it just a whole console or is it just a part of a bottom the mixing if the faders and all can you please get back to me

[@andrebrown4677]

Toft Analogue Mixer I beleive

[@marlowdurden5330]

Here's is a questionfor you,. Where can a person getmthe console that you"re working on and how much will it cost? Just like the one you have.

[@tekis0]

I wish that I had access to the short stereo files, then I could be sure that they're level matched.

[@bradenandre2298]

How many channels were used on the Tegeler Tube Summing Mixer?

[@rocktonmusikschule]

The lowend is amazing on the Tegeler

[@troyrose6102]

What board is on your desk?

[@SaturnAudio]

Should be a toft console

[@mikeh2520]

What is the Manley device in the center of your rack?

[@veronatragedy7016]

what board is that with all the faders???

[@amdenis]

And the Satori doesn’t mess-up the hf phase info.

[@Romello_Purba]

Is that pasive or active suming with preamp??

[@sekritskworl-sekrit_studios]

WHO manufactures the Orion?

[@AntelopeAudio]

Hello Antelope Audio :) Antelope Audio Team

[@sekritskworl-sekrit_studios]

@@AntelopeAudioLess than a year later, I am having a nice little chuckle, seeing this question, because I have a few pieces of your equipment now... Though I wish i'd waited on my Orion 32+ Gen 3, so that I could get the Gen 4 (and its controller).

[@obe1cannoli869]

I'm listening on my phone, and I can hear a difference, but I think both the analog summing mixers are louder than the digital sum. In order to be an equal comparison we need to ensure the output LUFS/RMS are equal.l, as even 0.5 db extra loudness will cause people to think they like it more.

[@mynameistechno]

To me they are equal. but we cannot dismiss the sensation of sharper transient/faster attack which make it appear "louder"

[@91soundstudios42]

they are definitely louder

[@LaVoce85]

Nice! What console are you using in this video?

[@MrMuppetbaby]

That's the Toft without the meter bridge. A good sounding "poor man's Trident" but fraught with issues.

[@woolrich020]

The levels differ. Can't make a comparison like this.

[@ziamusix]

for a while i felt that Satori was sounding so much better then all the rest, and then i realised the difference of moving from Digital to Satori was quite a jump in terms of uplifting the mix, but the jump from Satori to Tegeler was almost negligible, hence the lesser, rather almost no feeling of aural excitement. So my mind was like, why is the Satori so much better? Then I did the reverse, from Tegeler to Satori to Digital. It is then i realise that Tegeler and Satori were so close that i couldn't tell the difference. Haha, that digital to Satori got me almost! like"What?!" Also more so because I have my Tegeler TSM in store waiting to be put up. :D

[@maisonmallninja]

the satori was louder. I am not even sure if its better than the digital sum playback, or if I am truly hearing better separation/imaging

[@fausto_colella]

Question about the summing section: what's the purpose of the "THRU" d-sub connector??... what is minded for?? :)

[@AntelopeAudio]

Hi! The THRU connector is a line output, that directly outputs everything that is coming in on the D-SUB connector that is right below it. So channel 5-8 that are coming in on DB-25 (below the THRU output) are going out to the THRU output above. If you have any other questions - please ask!

[@fausto_colella]

@@AntelopeAudio i can monitor more than one stereo input from the DB25? I mean let's guess I have 4 stereo busses, I can monitor 5 and 8 and mute 6 and 7? Or I only listen to the summed signal pressing SUM button OR only one at time from 5 to 8 stereo inputs?

[@LocaliLLocano]

I switch between summing my stems on the SSL XDesk and Neve Master Bus Processor (no compression ).

[@adamfarish4201]

I run from an Orion 32 HDX into a Burl B32 Summing Mixer, into a Neve MBP... nothing better than to finish with the MBP in my opinion :)

[@josefk5659]

I’m considering both of those. Tree Audio stem is in the running too. Quick. Your house is on fire. Which one do you grab?

[@LocaliLLocano]

@@josefk5659 master bus processor. There’s more weight using the transformers. You can even track jazz or classical with it. Also when you get better at using the silk settings you can add transformer texture to certain elements.

[@josefk5659]

@@LocaliLLocano thanks. I never considered using it to track. I think a used Neve Orbit is best and most affordable option for me right now

[@LocaliLLocano]

@@josefk5659 you can do the same with the orbit too because you get silk controls and the 5088 sound. You’ll sound like a million bucks. When you sound that good all you can think about is nailing the performance and mixing effortlessly

[@hauntedbytheliving1175]

I LOVE tube gear but the Satori imparted better separation and dimension to my ears… that’s what I look for in summing. The Tegeler sounded great but everything sounded smooshed into the same syrup. Not to mention the low end. It’s not even close. The Satori takes it. Just my humble opinion

[@KEYBOARDTHAWAVE]

what kind of board is that hes on

[@really9238]

did you find out?

[@preciseaudioblog]

The tube summer is very nice. But does it worth to spend over the $1500? I really doubt it. Anyone here?

[@nitin4108]

thinking same, its great devie but less control, unlike Dangerous summing mixer. I think if we get to have some control over feature suh as stereo image , harmonics, etc would be great.

[@MDS77SUN]

At the End it is the Engeneer and his skills and a good Song....fin

[@zimouspero]

Huge difence, but you should match the volume before.. thank you

[@jimorgain63]

on bose nc700 headphones i can not detect the difference

[@maisonmallninja]

sartori sounded best- but also the sartori seemed louder.

[@380stroker]

Satori is great. The difference is very obvious. All you're missing is the atomic clock for even greater separation.

[@ulsdigital]

whats is that? would you explain me please?

[@380stroker]

@@ulsdigital It is how your interface takes multiple pictures of the sound wave called sample rate or sampling. There are extremely accurate ways to do this and so people invest big money on quality word clocks or automic clocks for better stability. Any major Hollywood post production studio will mainly use automic clocks.

[@wearashirt]

Was there a telephone ring caught in the audio?

[@turtlefeet7722]

pretty song

[@johneric7018]

Should be a very interesting show glad I stumbled upon this

[@seanjohnson1793]

Hello can I listen to more than one monitor at a time. I do production. I usually make tracks with more than one monitors one as well as a sub. I have the old mackie big knob that allows me to listen to all three monitors. I havent found a monitors system gives me that flexibility

[@Mark-vv1dy]

I've seen you ask this question on every Satori video I've loaded so far. Just get a Dangerous D-Box+. It's the same price as the Satori, has analog summing, and does what you're asking about.

[@nolanneal]

It hurts my mind trying to bob my head to drunken beats. But great video!

[@wearashirt]

Mellow songs probably don't benefit much from tube circuits at the final stages since tubes have a strong mid scoop. Opposite applies for songs with strong mids coming from dist gutiars, pronounced acoustics, belting female singers.

[@chrisliebingofficial]

👍🏼

[@MusicZtorm]

Satori is 8-channel the Tegler 40

[@quinchen5224]

If i want to do the mastering with the 96khz sample rate, should i do the summing in 192khz and then resample the file to 96khz?

[@380stroker]

No. Only sample rate convert in the end for the final product.

[@the_newvoice]

What a great wood!!

[@GetSongsDone]

What about Analog VS Digital "Analog" summing (something like the CT-1 in Studio One)?

[@380stroker]

Basically software vs hardware summing. Software requires math and calculations. Hardware is just adjusting voltage.

[@PurpleMusicProductions]

I liked both and would happy with either. The digital summing can be thrown in the trash. Give me the tubes, valves and circuitry any day over the over processed sterile digital.

[@GingerDrums]

The summing mixes are just louder... There is no point doing a comparison and not level matching.

[@yigitersoz8093]

Tube summings sound feels more alive to me.

[@diegooliveirabenjamin]

Here we go, wait a 100 hours for a two minute video, so Antelope...

[@INeedsMoneys]

Not gain matched

[@JR-bn3ev]

There's no way, analog is another dimension.

[@likeyouiam5996]

so Antelope thinks we are stupid. The Digital Summing (3:38) is about 2 dB lower than the following two. Stop cheating and be honest. Bye

[@locusestudio8069]

wanted to say exactly that. I'd love to see proper comparisons, with level matching and null tests...

[@djbriankage]

Gives it about 5% more zone™

[@HalcyonGuitars]

What is that sexy console you have there?

[@_Woo]

Satori adds too much vibe changing the mix too much. The Tegeler adds vibe but is still subtle enough not to change the mix.

[@bighousemusic628]

The tegeler is better hands down

[@NRVE8]

or instead of spending 1000s of dollars on a summing mixer, just buy a mic pre amp and run all your stems through it. same shit.

[@Theory-b5y]

Interesting POV!

[@eddierey5202]

well damn.. the difference in quality kinda puts the argument to rest, doesn't it? 😐

[@prcption8636]

Digital is darker in a bad way Satori sound more silky more sparkle

[@tommycobain37]

Its not level matched. ofc it sounds better but this is a really poor comparison.

[@MrDudumassa]

I couldnt perceive nothing :(

[@riktascale4]

The Satori sounds wonderful. Too much color on the tube.

[@elblopex]

I heard NOTHING :(

[@kenzoblytheproducertv4934]

Well 1 thing for sure the digital comes in last.Good grief.

[@danielmiller5521]

Not worth the effort, not a night and day improvement. A little mix bus love and mastering will do the same thing. Bouncing to tape and mixing digitally will actually provide an analog vibe. But really, who cares. Track with a solid front end and stay ITB. Spend time being creative and enjoying the technology.

[@Robert-is7du]

Synthetic music

[@eranddroory9987]

Why not just loop and not have the stops and stupid buttons noises? when you make mix decisions and A/B stuff, do you pause the music or let it loop - come on SERIOUSLY? Level matching would be nice too!!..

[@marcofratnik4533]

We should stop this madness. I recorded poor artists: put any trick and gear you want, for hours. Then I recorded brilliant ones. The job? Put the right mics on the the right place understanding the room, particularity of the musician, instrument and musical intention. Then just go REC and later STOP. Our job is to stamp as faithfully as possible the intention of the performer. The rest is just business, no music.

[@Exaltation-heliacal]

Who cares if the song is bad? 😂

[@MellowXBrew]

The term color should be banned at this point

[@eventtopartmusic3654]

so what? the diferance is to smal, but the song is much important and the tast of making it