Analysing Chris Watts and Cindy Watts on the phone

I've talked in previous videos about the narcissistic traits I believe we can see in both Chris Watts and in his mother, Cindy Watts and I've said I think Chris Watts is a sociopath. But so many people were fooled by his pleasant persona, including his own mother. In this video I look a bit more into how he may have come to wear this mask in the first place as we listen to some of a phone conversation between Chris Watts and his parents. Why doesn't Cindy Watts seem to know her son? And what impact will it have had on Chris and who he turned out to be?
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[@SM-fy4gk]

The most frustrating part of Cindy’s “victim” statement is the fact that she FORGAVE her son in front of Shanann’s family as if she was in a place to do so. How painful it must be for Shanann’s family to deal with their narcissists.

[@finaldeljuego1996]

I agree. 😡😡

[@lieke9460]

Right

[@melissam597]

Why did they get to have a victim statement in the first place - the only victims are Shannan, Bella, Cece, Nico and the Rzucek family 🙄

[@GG_Booboo]

Exactly! I said the same thing in another video! This woman is something else!

[@yuki97kira]

Absolutely...if one of them had a temper and there werent tv cameras, pretty sure she wouldve been slapped to mars

[@TaughneeStone]

She reminds me of my ex-mother-in-law... in love with her son. If you meet a man with a mother who believes her son can do no wrong ... RUN.

[@dukey19941]

Yep, my ex used to call his mom when we would get into little spats. Oh and she used to buy his underwear. Every Christmas she'd get him this expensive underwear. Why the F I didn't see the signs then. Her "baby" could never do anything wrong.

[@scarlettkimberlyann5387]

I have a MIL like that. She has about destroyed her son. Mine is back in prison. I hate his egg donor

[@deborahm6059]

So true and older protective sisters in law are even worse

[@tatonkapeach]

Joanne Nelson.... my EX mother in law. Her son would have made oil soup out of me too. His mother was crazy

[@TaughneeStone]

@@tatonkapeach Let's all raise a glass to surviving crazy EX mothers-in--law, we're all lucky here. 🥂

[@nps2512]

She says he was a great father. His kids don’t agree

[@tonyamote9665]

THAT'S A GREAT FATHER ??? THEN I WOULD RATHER BE A BASTARD CHILD AT LEST I WOULD BE ALIVE .... JUST SAYIN

[@tatonkapeach]

Yaaaaa I don’t think good fathers kill all three of their children. Not 1 not 2 but 3

[@nacamo17]

Oh yeah. He was a great father that slowly killed his daughter, 4 years old, while she screamed: "No, daddy, no!! Please'".

[@tatonkapeach]

@@nacamo17 oh my gosh I literally just started crying for that sweet girl. I can’t even imagine the pain and terror. This bitch needs her ass beat! Calling him a good father.

[@annewyatt1389]

A great father.she says. All he wanted was rid of the kids and wife so he could have fun.

[@calgal5752]

How crazy is it that his parents wouldn’t support Chris in his marriage but fully support him when he murdered their grandchildren! Of course they didn’t care at all about what he did to Shanann. His parents are disgusting. It was so incredibly inappropriate to say what she did in that situation! In front of the family of the victims of their murderous son. It was shocking to me that she would do that. 😢

[@chellefell1331]

And his affair. They supported that as well

[@melaniebrown7703]

My thoughts exactly… If I could like this comment a million Xs I would!!

[@calgal5752]

@@chellefell1331 I do believe they knew about it

[@Bubbly20205]

I’ve always thought the same n they say the apple doesn’t fall far for the tree

[@chellefell1331]

@@calgal5752 so do I.

[@cjqnsnyc]

What's VERY STRANGE to me is the fact that they're speaking to him as if NOTHING HAS HAPPENED!!! This man, their son, murdered his wife and children, threw them away like trash, then tried unsuccessfully, to get away with it! They were his children and their grandchildren, yet the parents don't seem to care AT ALL about that! Quite bizarre and very telling!

[@jeannebraun367]

It's probably a family that always used to sweep everything they don't like under the rug to just ignore it out of existence.

[@cjqnsnyc]

@@jeannebraun367 I agree but THIS goes beyond something you can sweep under a carpet and forget. They raised a monster for a son but it seems to me that they think if they pretend he isn't one, than maybe they can take comfort in the lie. Another thing that struck me is the mother says to the son, "people are crazy!" Pot...kettle...black.

[@samalama9692]

I agree with everything you said here . Instead of trying to get to the why he did this, how did this come to happen ? They praise him , tell him were with you 100 % We're with you no matter what . They didn't love their grandchildren at all , his mother tells him we got on that victims list , just so we can talk to you Chris , that's the only reason we went on that list . I couldn't believe this conversation was taking place, but we actually participated in hearing how the Watt's family unit works. This explains so much , as to why CW is sitting in that prison cell . Everything seems to get swept under the rug , ignore it and it'll go away , just pretend it didn't happen, etc etc. His family will never, ever, blame Chris for what he did , because in their eyes he's that perfect child and always will be . Instead they'll be others to blame for CW's shortcomings. Sadly in this case it was Shanann who they put the blame for all that happened, it wasn't enough that she was the victim of their perfect son .

[@jmgs24lady]

@@samalama9692 ... Than they blame Shan'ann for him murdering her (because CW would NEVER hurt his babies!) And now Skater Boy is realizing that the prison door doesn't open when he says, "I'm sorry! I found Jesus, and apologized ... so I should be able to get out of prison. I've never done anything wrong - this was a crime of passion, so it doesn't count. I lied to those FBI agents and the Colorado Police Officer, when they came in February and chatted with me. They scared me so I said whatever they wanted to hear..." Not only should he have to stay there, he should get pictures of the girls coming out of the crude oil and Shan'ann face, EVERY day.

[@cjqnsnyc]

@@samalama9692 Very well put! Clearly, both parents have SERIOUS issues, which is why they raised a narcissistic sociopath, they believe to be the perfect angel...even though he massacred his entire family, discarded them like trash, then went to work like it was any other Monday! WE are all crazy in their eyes for not recognizing their poor, misunderstood son! When they say truth is stranger than fiction, look no further then the Watts family! This monster even seems to believe that he'll get out of prison at some point! WOW!!!

[@sarlisofi]

Chris Watts' parents didn't even care about the loss of their grandchildren.. It's terrifying!

[@2manybooks2littletime25]

Don't forget: The grandchildren had half of their genes from Shanann!

[@gingerdevonshire1479]

This leads me to believe that the whole Icecream incident was not exagerated in the slightest, she blathantly risk her grandkid. They didn't care about the kids, nor her, not even Chris and his awful behavior, just how they look like in front of people.

[@genevievelovell4204]

So horrifying. It just added another layer of utter horror to this story! She’s worried about her serial killer son and not a word about those two angels who suffered horribly and had such exciting lives ahead of them😪Especially if Shanann had got full custody

[@caraame]

How dare u say that. Of course they bloody cared. What an idiot.

[@gypsyqueen411]

@@gingerdevonshire1479 they just wanted to do whatever they could to get Shanann out of their lives.

[@ek4179]

He is in prison for MURDER and they are whining about someone calling their daughter a rebel 🙄

[@annieferraro5988]

It was Chris who called her that lol

[@gypsyqueen411]

@Sandra Turajlich the investigation stopped when he confessed and the only reason he confessed is because the Rzuceks agreed they could take the death penalty off the table for a plea deal. I believe there is a lot more to this crime.

[@lieke9460]

And the person who called het a rebel was Chris himself.

[@thequeen4999]

I'm so choked from their phone call to this criminal pisses me off how she is without any feeling to his wife and children 😤

[@Orchid1313]

And for saying her husband had a past substance abuse problem .

[@YTpsychMyths2]

Cindy is a good example of how psychological abuse can be just as damaging as physical abuse

[@deedeescheuermann8027]

Exactly and sometimes worst!!!!!

[@staceystrukel1917]

It’s worse. It’s silent.

[@4bibimimi]

Cindy quoting Jeremiah at the sentencing hearing was super manipulative! The righteousness was gag-worthy. She put it out that Chris was a perfect man driven to murder by his overbearing wife and expensive children.

[@carriefawcett9990]

Yes, the psychological abuse she inflicted on poor Shanann was despicable.

[@DearestFandoms]

“I would’ve never in a million years thought something like this could happen to him.” Such revealing word choice on her part. Because, no. “Something” didn’t “happen *to* him” as if he was a powerless victim. As if he’s a victim of his situation rather than the cause. *HE* committed an atrocity TO THEM. It happened to them, by his choices and actions.

[@leeanncrowley-davies7628]

I thought that.... to him .... um no he murdered them

[@dianels5984]

Also she states, "How did they not pick up on something 'on' him?" She's denying that there was something psychologically wrong inside him. To admit he has a problem, would be reflection upon herself as a mother. She still can't accept that her son murdered 4 human beings, needless to say, a part of her own family. I hope she sees this video...she reminds me of my ex-mil, always meddling in the background. Cindy knows what she did to influence CW.

[@jeannebraun367]

Good catch!

[@cheatednomore6430]

That more than memorable statement tells a story all by itself. It really gives us a window into how this family operates. The whole lot of them are seriously bereft of any personal insight and personal accountability.They are a part of their own little pod and live in their own alternate reality.

[@PanicattheDiscourse]

YES to follow it up with "if he did this"

[@sanvi527]

I just can't understand Cindy and how she sees herself as a victim in this. Her son killed his family. No tears for them?? 🤯

[@vanillapudding9471]

Of course not she’s a narcissist and her son is a covert narcissist ✅💯

[@sanvi527]

@@vanillapudding9471 I know, but it's still hard to understand 😕 I keep waiting to see any true empathic and caring facial expressions but nothing... just intense lip licking and nodding like she's thinking; am I convincing them that I'am a caring person.

[@vanillapudding9471]

Sandi v you’ll never understand people like them you shouldn’t try.

[@sanvi527]

@@vanillapudding9471 true ❣

[@ΑλέξιΛύκος]

If she were a normal empathetic person, she’d be a victim in that she lost her grandchildren and daughter in law to a most violent and tragic death, and that’s absolutely heartbreaking. But she doesn’t seem to care about them, and only cares about her own reputation. Now she thinks she’s a victim because people are talking about her badly - for defending the person who killed her grandchildren. If she had expressed remorse about what her monster of a son did, people would sympathize with her. But she’s shown her true colors as a narcissist and she’s rightfully been criticized for it.

[@izzymeadows1748]

So bizarre this his mum is saying ‘some of these guys are crazy’ whilst speaking to her son who literally went crazy and butchered his own family. She so deluded and in her own world.

[@Miszkuta]

She and him r as crazy as one n mother mother like son

[@4bibimimi]

Irony survives!!

[@helensmith4161]

Cindy's interview for all of her snivelling, not a single tear was shed. She is as cold hearted as her son and didn't give a crap about the four innocent lives that were snuffed out.

[@janetbenning2645]

I agree

[@bosco7417]

I noticed that!!!! SMH

[@Jackmack365]

Yes no tears at all.

[@Tina-gg7rk]

It was the "I forgive you son" that got me 🤮 Imagine the Rzcuek family hearing those words come out of Cindy Watts mouth. So heartbreaking 💔

[@christiedrake4327]

She just completely ignores the four murders he committed.... to say “I didn’t care about the death penalty, no body’s gonna die in Colorado,” is so smug and arrogant.

[@sharyn4271]

She ought to be thanking Shanann's family for that, not speaking against them.

[@samalama9692]

Nobody is going to die in Colorado, just your Daughter in law, your two grandaughters, and your unborn grandson!!! But wait a minute , that only would pertain to someone who really loved and really cared for them . Reality, world shocker, or just showing their true colors in these statements. 1. "We only got on that victims list to talk to you Chris, we just wanted to get to talk to you . " 2. " I don't care what you did , I love you no matter what . " 3. " We're with you 100 percent." 4. " We're so proud of you " ??????? 5. "We know what she was like " said with so much hate and anger , towards a murdered victim of her perfect son . The Watt's family dynamic is incredible to watch and hear , but not in a good way , it's like seeing an avalanche coming towards you full speed and you can't stop it . Everything you've been taught not to say and do in your lifetime , but their saying it and doing it in front of the world to watch. Yikes , poor Shanann and her children never had a chance with this family . It's the family you don't want your children to ever cross paths with.

[@soniagiles8221]

Exactly, all she seems to be worried about is how people see them the "Watts" sickening..

[@brenantube5802]

@@samalama9692 I couldn’t have said this any better. Exactly what I was thinking. 🥴

[@samalama9692]

@@brenantube5802 I know all this is just unbelievable.

[@nothingbutthetruth2145]

His mother is a disgrace.. she hardly ever mentions those poor children. His wife was beautiful and adored him. Hang your head in shame Cindy, have u any idea how you are coming across. Pure evil.

[@brenantube5802]

She barely mentions Bella and cece but does she ever even mention nico ? Once if that ?

[@stephaniehunter3251]

I agree

[@crissy7183]

She really is evil. She’s pathetic & so is the rest of the Watts family! It’s ridiculous how dumb she is!

[@lorrainefairley6779]

I agree shes on cloud cookoo land oh my god

[@reneesantiago6496]

Are you serious?? You obviously havent watched Shanann's FB videos??? Plz do and try again on SW

[@catsav1]

Cindy is crying because she wants her son to be safe meanwhile he took the life of his own two children..... wild....

[@amieputnam4711]

I think deep down she still believes his first confession that he caught Shanann smothering the girls and snapped and killed her and that he only disposed of their bodies but wasn't the killer. She hated Shanann so it fits in with her preferred narrative and allows her to avoid the horror that is the truth.

[@jackirodriguez8673]

THREE CHILDREN AND HIS WIFE...

[@kaylasimpson4458]

A mother will always stand behind her own child no matter how sinister. Its sad but that's still her kid.

[@jankasza5538]

Right, UNBELIEVABLE!

[@AmandaP77IOW]

@@kaylasimpson4458 A good mother would never condone any bad behaviour or criminal behaviour from a child let alone an adult child. U can forgive eventually. In an extreme case like this you can forgive after u have mourned the loss of the people he has murdered, YOUR OWN FAMILY! But first a decent parent would absolutely abhor and condemn this behaviour. Maybe this is part of how he ended up this way. Maybe he wasnt disciplined as a child.

[@kaitywarner9083]

"these people are crazy, crazy!" - says the woman who raised a son who killed his whole family

[@threatassessment606]

ROFL

[@mischiefroadtripadventures]

Right!

[@dexxbaker8804]

Yea that was some funny not funny shit to say!!

[@YanniQ2.0]

I said the same thing!!! Omg! u heard that weird s*#!

[@babybobbiejeansmom]

Including her grandchildren

[@cyberspelunker1980]

This woman is something else. Those “criticisms” she cataloged sounded like jokes. I don’t believe Chris would have done this if his mother hadn’t trained him to devalue his own wife. She used the impact statement to build up her son. That wasn’t the place to put the spotlight on a man who brutally killed his family. I found it appalling.

[@clearday9525]

She and the family later went back on what their own representative said at the sentencing. Jean Powers had given the impression that they accepted their son had committed all the murders. Cindy: "I don't agree with anything -- I don't agree with anything that woman said that day. She just, she talked off the top of her head. Everything was manipulated and we were intimidated and all of that stuff. Ronnie: "It wasn't our story." Cindy: "It wasn't our story. None of it was..." Ronnie: "When Jean said that we accepted that you did it and all that stuff..." Cindy: "No, we did not. We never did. All we wanted to do is get in the courtroom and give our statements. The statements included Cindy: "You are a good...father." Ronnie: "I believe he loves his girls. I know he does."

[@cyberspelunker1980]

@@clearday9525 Wow. They’re absolutely delusional. Cindy is a true narcissist.

[@ronesss33]

J B 💯😻

[@jeannebraun367]

Not only that...she also used the opportunity to let him know that he was a good father...a father who murdered his children. That's some fucked up morals right there.

[@Adara007]

Two matters really come to the fore when one considers Cindy Watts' so-called "victim impact statement". These include how she quoted from a verse from the Old Testament, specifically the Book of Jeremiah, to mention God forgiving the Israelites for their sins and then she makes the analogy that she, like God, forgives her son. That's sickeningly narcissistic and delusional egotism right there. She also talks about how son from the time he was younger and paints him as "a good man [and] a "good father" despite the fact he cold-bloodedly murdered his pregnant wife and two daughters and threw their bodies away in the worst possible manner imaginable . Not once does she condemn him for what he did or tell the Rzuceks how sorry she is that her son committed these monstrous murders. Everything is really about her and from this it's likely she's a malignant narcissists who had a lot to do with making her son the monster he is and contributing to his hatred towards Shan'ann since we know she did everything possible to try to drive them apart from the get-go, not even turning up for their wedding.

[@zuzaninha]

9:40 'I didn' t care about the death penalty' - meaning: Shanann's family didn't do anything special by rejecting the death penalty. Nothing admirable at all. We don't owe them anything...

[@19tams67]

Right??? She is unbelievable 🤮 AND then she goes on to say "NOBODY DIES IS COLORADO", 😳😳😳😯😯😯WHAT?? Hey Cindy. Your two little granddaughters, and unborn grandson , and daughter in law were just MURDERED by YOUR SON and his accomplices. Ummmm, HELLO???

[@cookie_dough_hangover]

Exactly!!! What an evil witch!!!

[@bebebrunette007]

Exactly!!! Good lord she’s almost as frightening as he is!

[@samcad-ho3ze]

She should be on her knees thanking them. Stupid cow. Sorry it just makes me so cross.

[@cheatednomore6430]

@Gloria Vargo Agree. It is also a powerplay. Cindy wants them to know that she sees them as nothings, (because they are Shanaan's parents) and she doesn't need to be grateful to them for anything...not even for the fact of them asking that Chris not receive the death penalty. She is in fact telling them that she doesn't owe them anything. She is a real piece of work and a fool.

[@toriarose]

I'm stunned by her saying, about ppl speculating about them, that "these ppl are crazy." Saying this to her son who just killed his whole family. Omfg, this woman is oblivious to say the least.

[@teresahowick5197]

She’s trash.

[@karinb.7171]

She must be crazy .....

[@sally4026]

Exactly!

[@chelseadelacruz7343]

Me too. I had this exact though. Like, really?

[@trailertrish]

that stood out to me too. my god. she is clueless. if the tables were turned and Shanann had killed HIM they would never let it go. they would be disgusted if HER parents talked about him like this. 🤬

[@user-hx7mi7ml8u]

Unbelievable!! She never talks about how devastated she feels about Chris’s horrid actions, but acts like he’s the one that’s been treated awfully. 😳

[@lupitagomez7197]

That's how you create a narcisist

[@mariamiliotis]

She is evil

[@karenspencer5805]

She's playing the victim .as higher end narcs generally do ..the speech is as fake as she is

[@voicije]

i am a mom of 2 adult man who have children of their own... and.. i sometime tried to imagine being in such situation.... sure 1 thing i would have tell my son... why have you not tell me something... about your secret woman.. about your mean thinking... about wanting to end the relationship.. what to do to walk out the marriage etc...

[@whereisCarmenSandiego]

His mom literally cannot stop talking about HERSELF and HER reputation....she’s a deranged sociopath and it’s actually disturbing how much she doesn’t give a damn about her murdered grandchildren....

[@judithmcbride4023]

That women is a B...h!

[@caseyw.6550]

Right? Even Casey Anthony's crazy parents disowned her.

[@caseyw.6550]

@@stlouisluv I don't think they (both parents) have a relationship her at all now. But my point is that even they are less delusional and despicable than Chris's parents....and Chris is somehow even worse than Casey Anthony imo.

[@irishcountrygirl78]

lol she reminds me of my mother, not surprised she is going after the insurance money, my mother did that, sued everyone, got rich from it and looks out for herself. Even her mannerisms are the same, facial expressions, it's uncanny. These women are bots, there's nothing inside. I'm no contact of course.

[@gurutruecrimeguru1405]

@@caseyw.6550 Well Chris didn't try saying they molested him as a defense.

[@mwf23]

okay if she thinks murdering your pregnant wife and children is "being a good dad, husband, and son" what the HELL is a bad one??

[@emmaphilo4049]

Oh my🤦‍♀️

[@guesswhat7499]

She is delusional just like him.

[@randomrebecka6778]

One that isn't related to her.

[@jaustill237]

I have noticed that parents want to raise a kid to be just like them. Narcissists beget narcissists. So, the wrong thing to do, from Cindy's perspective, would be to raise a non-narc kid. E.g. CW murdered his family because they were the wrong kind and if the law would just let him out, then he could have a better family, that was more like they ate.

[@jjezebel37]

"We love you, we support you 100%" Didnt turn up to his wedding 🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗

[@carrieeloff2220]

Lol queen of cognitive dissonance

[@rmiddlehouse]

Yeah. Pretty much sums it up.

[@leeanncrowley-davies7628]

Turns up to jail after he murders his family but the wedding is too much x

[@jmgs24lady]

You didn't listen to us. I am going to punish you by not going to your wedding.

[@HenryLee666]

@Marija G exactly, like "now that she's finally out of your life you have all our support".

[@Mmmm-yf4kh]

“He looks like a skater boy, look at his hair” THATS what’s she’s upset about??????? Imagine Shannan’s parents. “He murdered our daughter.” Some people 🤦🏻‍♀️ I feel like that comment just shows her entitlement in a way, like how dare Shannan not be worshipping her son every second. 😂

[@toffeetoffee6457]

This comment really threw me wow, that’s normal normal wife talk silly woman.

[@MarceloRomero360]

That's the statement that defines this woman. You're absolutely right!

[@thescrutineer7022]

It just goes to show that Shannan did very little to annoy her. If that's the worst she can come up with for disliking Shannan than she obviously took an immediate dislike to her and it was personal.

[@camlam5269]

What bothers me is knowing Shanann saw how vain and image conscious and socially unaware he was. She thought it was a cute quirk when it was the mask of his true nature. That was why these jokes offended them so much. She was showing that she didn't totally fall for the mask.

[@dwightrenfield2241]

You obviously don’t know the meaning of the word “entitlement.”

[@LauraLeeX777]

The thing that gets me is the denial. 3 confessions later from Chris, and you've still got Cindy sitting "I need to know the truth!" Lady, he dumped his daughters, your grandkids, into vats of oil until their skin came off. That's the only truth you need to know what type of monster you raised.

[@aliross2720]

Narcissists are all different in some ways, but one thing virtually all of them have in common is denial. They operate under a huge amount of denial. It's one of the central functions of the defense mechanism. Narcissistic people generally experience large amounts of self-hatred and shame. Their emotions are out of control and disproportionate to the situation a lot of the time, which is experienced as frightening or as weakness - which they loathe. They generally haven't learned how to regulate or control them, so they are not able to soothe themselves when they get upset. The result of this is the only defense they have against this ever-boiling cauldron of emotion: denial. This denial is very important. In order to keep the self-hatred and pathological shame that most of them feel at bay, they must combat that. Denial works as far as it goes but it isn't enough. To simply deny who you are creates a vacuum, because then you are nobody. To counteract that, you have to then create something new to put in its place. That is where the false self comes in. It is a monument to the narcissist's denial. It is the counterpart to every negative thing the pathologically narcissistic person secretly believes themselves to be. It is the shining, perfect, beautiful facade designed to keep the ugly hidden one under wraps. Without this facade, they have no armor against the self-hatred and shame they feel. It consumes them very quickly if it can break through that facade and what often follows is decompensation, or what some call collapsing. Collapsing can lead to psychosis and even suicide. It is very serious. This is why penetrating the denial of pathologically narcissistic people is so difficult. It is essential to their very existence. Their coping strategy is set up in such a way that they never have to accept anything that is hurtful or that feels like blame. It does not penetrate the armor. This is why they turn and twist and deflect and project. Imagine those old cartoons where the guy contorts himself into crazy positions, using a frying pan to deflect all the bullets back to the shooter. This is what the narcissistic person is doing. However far outside the bounds of reality or credulity they have to go doesn't matter. What matters is deflecting the threat. Any criticism or blame opens a doorway to that barely-restrained self-hatred and shame. That's why you see the rage. That's why they feel attacked. It's like a dam that is about to burst. There are cracks in it now, and more and more water is starting to trickle through. The pathologically narcissistic person can feel that trickle. They can feel the pressure behind the wall and they are panicking because their denial cannot hold on in the face of facts. What's on the other side of it terrifies them. Denial is powerful but it is also a very fragile coping mechanism for pathologically narcissistic person. There's a thin wall between the narcissist and the things they want to escape, and it is fractured easily, probably because they are aware that they are hiding something. When this happens, you will often see various types of devaluation, rage, hysterics, suicide attempts, silent treatments, ghosting and discarding. Not only is it a warning to the threat to back off, but when you deny something, you make it more powerful. The more afraid you are of something, the more you hide from it, the more power you give it. Imagine how powerful these things are then, considering the sheer amount of time and energy the narcissistic person has put in to denying them for their entire lives. It probably feels like a monster inside of them. And ironically, that's often exactly how it comes out. Narcissistic people face these threats to their denial constantly, because they cannot avoid reality completely. They may appear delusional but they are not psychotic, and even the most clever reframing in the world simply cannot mitigate all the facts all the time. Sometimes some things get through. It is a never-ending battle on their part, then, to shore up the cracks in the dam so they don't drown. They are good at it, but contrary to their beliefs, nobody is perfect. When denial of something is no onger possible, often serious depression can occur. They may break down and collapse under the strain. This is often when they will reach out to others with their threats of hurting themselves or feelings of abandonment, rejection and despair. Because pathologically narcissistic people cannot regulate or create their own self-worth, they must extract it from other people - usually using the false self. If they cannot use the false self, such as in times of collapse, what you will often see is a heavily-filtered version of the true self: a cataclysmically depressed wreck of a person, a child who does not know how to function in this world. It is a sad irony that instead of using this stolen self-worth to actually build true self-worth to engender acceptance of themselves, they use it to rebuild the dam and strengthen their denial. Instead of fixing the problem, they are actually reinforcing it and making it worse. It is perhaps one of the most valuable lessons we can learn from narcissistic people, the importance of living authentically and being honest with ourselves. Yes, accepting things can be painful. However, what we don't accept, we cannot change. And what we deny eventually ends up running our lives.

[@dfinite1111]

YES! Which was CW’s intent. Apparently, all oil workers know that crude oil disintegrates bodies. He claims that he was “scared and didn’t know what to do”. So he put them in the oil tanks. NO. HE KNEW EXACTLY WHAT TO DO, TO GET RID OF THEIR BODIES, MAKE THE EVIDENCE DISAPPEAR. So sick.

[@davidpowell6098]

@@dfinite1111 I think he was going to return to Cervi 319 and blow up the whole site. Which would have more or less destroyed what was left of his poor family. Then , in his eyes, freed him to move along with plan to carry on his affair with his mistress.

[@cheatednomore6430]

@@dfinite1111 CW is so devious & deviant. How many people in the world have the ability to commit such brutal acts of sadistic depravity. I agree 💯 He knew exactly what he was doing. It was completely a calculated event with the oil and how he was going to dispose of his family that way.

[@barbh1]

@MsJadeEem NIckole Atkinson foiled his plan.

[@catrinag.9262]

This whole Watts family is psycho but if his parents REALLY cared about him they wouldn't be telling him all their troubles. Wth can he do with that in prison. Of course the parents make it all about them. And of course the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

[@maryanne1830]

True!!!! It's stressing me out so much hearing how self absorbed she is.

[@vampireslayer1989]

No question. The mother got Narcissistic Supply from the media attention. She enjoyed the fact that her son was in jail.

[@QueenOfMarsReactsToEarth]

@@vampireslayer1989 I totally agree. She's displayed many traits of a Covert Narcissist, right from the get-go, her passive-aggressiveness against Shanann was palpable. I mean, not attending her son's wedding?!? WTH?

[@DearestFandoms]

Sounds like they have boundary problems.

[@vampireslayer1989]

@@QueenOfMarsReactsToEarth Shanann was competition for her son's attention. Poor Shanann struck me as a codependent woman who bought into the "happily ever after" relationship fantasies. When things were not working out and the narcissistic abuse started, she prayed that she could somehow repair the relationship for the sake of the children (and to save face with family and friends). I suspect that she was NOT "Cluster B Aware". It is really so very sad. If I ever win Powerball, I am going to build a safe-shelter for young families in our community.

[@susie7336]

“Theres people are crazy.” That’s what you say to a monster who murdered his wife and your own grandchildren about the family left without a daughter and grandchildren?!?! Wow. Just wow.

[@alarahalbach8665]

I'm speechless!

[@kellyf6624]

And begged to spare the life of the perp. Unbelievable.

[@jankasza5538]

Evil!

[@trailertrish]

🤯

[@rush7777me7777]

She was referring to the threatening emails and phone calls from the public

[@littleangel18]

His mother is a dead inside narcissist to. She raised this monster. She has no emotional empathy for her own grandchildren slaughter, plays the victim, lives in a fantasy land, gaslights and manipulates.

[@sammygaudino8906]

We'll his family didn't even go to the wedding.They never liked her I think his mom got to him more than NK.

[@genevievelovell4204]

I love how she says, ‘nothing in his childhood at all would have ever triggered this....’ maybe YOU Cindy? If only your glasses could see through to your own soul and how dangerous she also is.

[@jbb8261]

She’s so ducking oblivious it angers me She also made that WHOLE call about her. God she is repulsive.

[@AYCJJ6608]

I don't think she has a soul 🤔

[@trevorphilips9065]

@Peasants For Plutocrats Well if the parents are just as narcissistic as him then guess where it all came from I've manipulated people in the past you're an easy target kiddo

[@aggieh3575]

She said no one dies in Colorado to put shade of Shannan’s family. But they saved the life of her child- the killer of their daughter and grandchildren. It beggars belief this woman is so arrogant

[@gypsyqueen411]

Im sure the detectives went to Shananns family and said if they could get him to confess could they take the death penalty off the table and they said yes. That's why he didn't have a trial where he probably would have gotten the death penalty. Cindy seems to think that he would have been tried for a rage killing against his wife and gotten a more lenient sentence and then blame the kids on Shanann who can't defend herself but of course the detectives would have proven otherwise through all the forensic data that Shanann didn't kill her kids.

[@helenjohnson7583]

Gypsy Queen Thank you for pointing that out. (Just feeling so sad & sickened by this all over again.) It’s good to have this forum available.

[@s.a.b.i.]

@@gypsyqueen411 They were given the choice. They said if they wanted the death penalty, then they would pursue it and Shannan's mother said, "He made the choice to take their lives, but I don't want to be in a position to take his" So they took the death penalty off the table in exchange for confession and he jumped right on it.

[@helenstockman3499]

I know. I locked into that quote also. “No one dies in Colorado”. I know of 4 people that just died in Colorado, your daughter in law and grand children. Second, that was meant as a jab to Shannan’s parents that Chris will not pay the ultimate crime.

[@katarinasvensson9801]

@@gypsyqueen411 yes but shannanns family don't believe in the death penalty so they actually begged for his life regardless.

[@jordanwolfcastle7387]

This family is dillusional

[@LiveAbuseFree]

Nice to see your name pop up! 🤗

[@deborahsunflower939]

Victim impact statement? Wtf

[@skyelizsam]

As soon a she said "oh we didn't attend the wedding. Shannan and I just couldn't agree". Oh right, I'm sure Shannan was the issue. Ultimate narcissism, not attending your own child's wedding.

[@Miszkuta]

Omg Shannon was a stronger person than I first realise. Omg to put up with that mother in law omg

[@pamelajackson2383]

AS IF she has the right to any decision about the wedding...um....maybe her choice of a dress LOL otherwise, butt out of it...i'm sure she would have picked white

[@gRinchY-op5vr]

To me that struck as Cindy wanting in on how the wedding went, the dress, Chris family members being brides maids and ring bearers etc forgetting it was her son and Shannens wedding not hers 🙄

[@loridavis9904]

His sister asked to mail shannans wedding invitations. She only mailed immediate family members. When Shannan found out she confronted them and that caused a fight. Then she tried to blame the fact they weren’t able to get along. She continued to do that stuff to Shannan

[@hornhub5438]

If my in-laws didn't want to attend my wedding annulment city, it's obvious the relationship would be too rocky.

[@yogadork_namaste]

There's no way he is getting another trial or hearing. He has murdered a pregnant woman and 2 babies. He's in there for life and sounds like he doesn't accept that reality. He will never get out, thankfully.

[@katina6958]

Yes prison is exactly for people like CW. He’ll never truly be reformed. He doesn’t understand how sick he is because of his upbringing.

[@katina6958]

@@MsMaryPatricia probably the same thing! Like Drew Peterson

[@kimma508]

@Watching You The baby boy is named Nico.

[@barbh1]

I don't know. Scott Peterson's trial is up for review. He's another piece of work that should never see the light of the outside of a prison.

[@baileybrinker5935]

But I do hope his parents go bankrupt trying to get him out.

[@lesabri]

The parents lost their grandbabies and they said NOTHING about them.

[@angelinaboccadoro1879]

A sociopath family that's all

[@angelinaboccadoro1879]

@MsJadeEem I think the same

[@angelinaboccadoro1879]

Also in Italty a father killed his family his wife and two children

[@jessiebarnes4671]

they didnt disown their killer son, AS THEY SHOULD HAVE, AS ANY NORMAL PERSON WOULD!

[@gge9824]

It’s just terrifying.

[@CryogenicFire]

Cindy Watts is absolutely, thoroughly loathsome

[@HumanimalChannel]

I could not stand to be in her vicinity

[@bobbyswain7049]

"I never thought in a million years this would ever have happened to him"..... Explains everything

[@kkheflin3]

Chris Watts says "I just want to get out of here." Good luck with that one ace.

[@brenantube5802]

The tone and sort of laugh he made as he said “I just want to get out of here” to me sounded exactly like when he said on the porch interview “I just want them back”. I dont know why but that’s the first thing I thought of when I heard him say he just wanted to get out of there. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@kkheflin3]

@@brenantube5802 EXACTLY. I thought the same thing immediately. Good catch. It's so narcissistic. Everything about him. "I want them back." "I just want to get out of here." It's I...I....I.....I all the time.

[@kkheflin3]

Prison is getting old for him and the magnitude of life imprisonment is finally beginning to dawn on him. Can you imagine being in a prison for your entire life? What a waste.

[@cisum2003]

He got what he deserved I wish that his mistress did too as it’s obvious she had something to do with it and he’s protecting her.his mother sounds like a self centred idiot.she needs to realise he did a serious crime and he needs to serve time for what he did

[@divinetiming8422]

@ Kkheflin3 😂 Ace! Good one!

[@lorettathanksjesus]

Cindy Watts seems to have the biggest mask of all ... 😔

[@2manybooks2littletime25]

OMGosh! You nailed it!😳 Of course, like mother, like son: the pupil became the expert and hid his inability to communicate with his wife and to hide his true self from everyone until he decided that life was greener on the other side of the fence. I really love to hear your take on arguably the most dysfunctional family in modern times. One doesn't have to be physically abused to become an unloving and unfeeling automaton. Cindy always connived to rid her family, especially her son, of Shanann. She succeeded, and I hope that she is happy now.

[@poutinedream5066]

Ha, I can remember when talk about the mask of the narcissist used to make me think👺. Now, as I read your comment, the first thing I thought was 😷.

[@lorettathanksjesus]

@@poutinedream5066 😄😄😄

[@JH-mg8ww]

I doubt whether Chris once wanted to rip off the mask himself and his mom put it on back. 😂

[@emmaphilo4049]

@@2manybooks2littletime25 I think rejecting your son love choice and not going to the wedding is so horrible. It's not only cruel and violent but it's also denying him having a life and becoming an adult. What an idiot this woman is...

[@LoudieD123]

I wonder if Cindy Watts realizes how ridiculous she sounded in that interview, trying to make Shannan look like a bad person & disliking her DIL just because she would make comments like “I don’t like his hair.” WHAT?! And then she had the nerve to say they did not agree with what was said in the courtroom. The whole family is insane.

[@DottieMinerva]

She doesn’t realize and won’t ever. Narcissistic people only see things through their warped lenses.

[@hannahkatherine262]

once she said that I truly realized how delusional she is

[@fehyndana7725]

that's what I thought as well...Shanaan dared to say he was a "skater boy". That horrible women...I mean of course he freaked out and killed her and all his children, right?? I can't stop shaking my head in disbelieve.

[@sisiscastle3573]

Narcissist usually don’t

[@rosev.4463]

When I watched the documentary on Netflix, I felt the first shoe drop of Shanann's constant demeaning of her husband and how she hated having to deal with her mother in law who I suspected at the time might have been simple minded. The whole "nut allergy" piece was very telling. His mother is very clearly in denial about the girls. It's almost as if she's shut that down completely in her mind. Frankly, I don't know how anyone can cope with such a tragedy as a parent. But the thing is that Chris appears to be doing the same thing re the kids. They both appear to be "simple - minded". Shanann is painted in their minds as the villain. She's had "friends" who've come forward to say she was definitely an abusive, berating bitch who was an extreme perfectionist. Although the documentary does seem to show evidence of that, the remedy is intensive marriage counseling or divorce, not murder. And then the kids? We can analyze all we want, but I don't think we're meant to understand that kind of denial. Just too bizarre, and it's difficult for me to analyze objectively because of that denial.

[@anjpoteat]

I feel like Shanann and the grandkids gone was actually a dream come true for her ~ they're finally out of her way! I feel like Cindys only grieving the fact that she's not in back in control of Chris now that they're out of the picture.

[@juliacoburn7455]

Yes ...according to your sick logic..Chris is innocent and it's all mother's fault.

[@anjpoteat]

@@juliacoburn7455 How did you come to that conclusion? I said Cindy is happy that Shanaan is gone, which is true. Shanaan was her "competitor" for control of Chris and also someone she personally despised because Shanaan didn't play into her manipulation tactics. Shanaan would also openly call her out for bad behavior. Cindy displays behavior that is in line with Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Chris is completely guilty, I don't know how you could think he's not. I don't think anyone in their right mind would deny that. However, his mental illness could be due to his mother being clearly nuts, as well. The apple doesn't fall far from too far the tree here. That was my point.

[@karenovalasiti7538]

Agree. Cindy's thinking "HE PICKED ME AND GOT RID OF HIS FAMILY FOR ME"

[@fl0nk11]

At the end, she says, "I would never in a million years would've thought something like this could happen to him." TO HIM. Wow...so very telling.

[@elizabethlenahan9833]

Exactly

[@sr5242]

Omg I was thinking that just as I read your comment. Cindy is delusional

[@kw-gy8yd]

i know left me flabber ghasted

[@frankierzucekjr]

Exactly

[@sweetassugar2076]

Frankie Rzucek Jr i just wanna tell you that I’m truly sorry for the pain your family has been through and it’s amazing how your sister has touch so many hearts out there 💞

[@kaybrown4010]

Cindy is upset about being shown on a children’s water slide. Poor baby.

[@elizabethlenahan9833]

Kay Brown Chris is the on who said this first about his family during interrogation. Re: his father taking drugs & sister rebelling. If other people are saying this their only telling the truth

[@lizbetpcb3759]

Yeah, why is being shown as a grandmother playing with her grandchildren a problem. It puts her in a good light. You’d think she’d welcome that. Very strange reaction. She’s an odd duck.

[@kaybrown4010]

Beth Branch As a grandmother myself, I thought so too.

[@hamburgerhelperflick]

I've noticed that she picks on very trivial things to find offense in. Shannan may have said mean or mocking things about Chris but using the example of her calling him a skater boy or saying he puts too much product in his hair does not support her point. She seems to have a very narrow idea of an ideal wife for her son and it reflects her intolerance and lack of understanding of people.

[@katharineharrison9091]

Can someone please tag me on that video of her on the slide.

[@MCP920]

It doesn’t fail to stop me in my tracks every time I hear his mother say, “ I don’t know how this happened to Chris” That says a lot about Cindy Watts.

[@jennyannemen3449]

Such a narcissist

[@ryankraulik1730]

His mother drove him crazy.

[@bcpr9812]

His mother raised him to think that nothing was his fault.

[@mrsTraveller64]

I know, on the other hndI think she means how he became a murderer. How it happened thathe became a murderer. I see it from thatpoint of view.

[@heatherosborn8279]

It doesn’t play in this video, but during that phone conversation, Cindy says to Chris, “ Chris, we know how she was (Shannan).” As if she got what she deserved. So sickening. Even Chris (the one who murdered Shannan) told his mom not to speak of Shannan that way. This family is definitely not well. It’s wayyyy beyond just her loving her son...it’s all about HER! And Ronnie is very much like Chris and just goes along with everything. 😖😖

[@squincegoddess]

“These people are crazy!” Lady, your son murdered his family, so tell us who is crazy again?

[@koogle5410]

“Some of these people are crazy “ 😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳 says the woman to her son that murdered his family in cold blood

[@donnagaffney6467]

e x a c t l y ! frightening!

[@lourdessoto8331]

😝😝😝😝😝😝

[@donnagaffney6467]

I know! the only question is...sociopath or psychopath?!

[@secerts711]

I AGREE how OUTRAGEOUS!!!!

[@secerts711]

I Agree she’s really just awful - and she doesn’t hide she doesn’t care. She until the end didn’t like or even basically care about Shannan and the girls

[@PuddilyOops]

“I would have never in a million years thought something like this could have happened to him.” To HIM. I don’t even know what to say about that.

[@frahn1702]

I know, right? If any of my children murdered their children, that would be the end of my relationship with them. I might send them money in prison for their toothpaste etc, as long as it was their own money. But there would be no emotional support.

[@frahn1702]

@@johnadams2063 What?? Are you crazy?

[@tanickasinclair7035]

As if something HAPPENED TO HIM without his consent!!!!!

[@kmm291]

To him?! It happened to them by him!

[@fire12731]

Interesting how cindi calls people crazy...

[@rochelle5266]

That's the pot calling the kettle black. 😂

[@tatonkapeach]

Cindy is literally not in reality. Her son just killed his entire family and she has the nerve to call her sons victims survivors crazy!!!

[@cparsonage9925]

I don’t think he acted alone! He committed a murder but just think how badly CW was treated by even his own work team . They lied . There are a lot of bad people involved . Her father is not what he seems .. drugs etc. and also SW abused her Kids . Ask the DHS . She wasn’t allowed near them without supervision . sR is still getting money from go fund me 5 yrs on ! Despicable ! Whatever CW was has done he hasn’t hurt those children . He lied to cover up for NK . Those bodies haven’t even been identified as his children ! A lot hasn’t been investigated properly .look at the discovery . 🙏🏻

[@dwightrenfield2241]

No, she is “literally” in reality. She’s just delusional. But, she has also lost her son and her grandchildren, so I’m not going to be too judgmental.

[@LinNoOne]

"and our children, you know, we just, we just did everything for them" ah yes the classic narc mom self-martyrdom narrative. Whether expressed as "I did the best I could" or "I sacrificed so much" or "I did everything for YOU!" it's all the same absolute entire load of garbage

[@aggieh3575]

I bed she was reminding her kids about her sacrifice every waking moment

[@sarahalessa78]

Amen!

[@eej1983able]

My mom actually told my husband before we got married that i wouldn't be where i was if it weren't for her. Cindy reminds me of her in some ways

[@moniljs]

Cindy: Shannan always said a lot of bad things about Chris in front of me, like he looks like a skater boy, his hair looks funny, and on and on. Give me a break, that’s the worst you can come up with. And not showing up to a wedding has to take a special kind of cold hearted narcissist

[@aleciabjorlie3103]

Had she shown up to the wedding, she most likely would have been smug and unfriendly to Shan’ann’s family. Shan’ann had given his sister 80 invitations for his side, at her request, and none of them were sent out on purpose. Shan’ann had told her mom maybe they were accepting her and she was going to let them send out the invitations. Cindy didn’t want any of his relatives there, and didn’t even give them the courtesy of getting an invitation, because it was all about her. I’m sure his family and friends would have liked to have been sent an invitation. Shan’ann called members of his family the next day, and they all said they never received an invitation. Cindy was more concerned with her feelings towards Shan’ann than her son’s wedding which obviously didn’t mean anything to her.

[@nickymerrin7903]

@@aleciabjorlie3103 This makes me so sad, what an evil manipulative family.

[@aleciabjorlie3103]

@@nickymerrin7903 ...it’s very sad.😔

[@maryanne1830]

I reckon Cindy baited Shannan into teasing Chris just to have an excuse to hate her.

[@AMYV3]

You are right. I didn’t even think about that. So what. She was saying he’s not her usual type but loves him anyways. So what. She wouldn’t have liked her no matter what was said. 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

[@wasteddemise2286]

I wanna see who raised Cindy

[@simpletruths5322]

Who made the monster?

[@wasteddemise2286]

@@simpletruths5322 she's gonna wanna claim she's self-made lol

[@skdewolf7606]

That would be frightening.

[@brittanysmith3716]

Same, and who raised her mother? Who started this cycle? What’s tragic is I bet the cycle would’ve stopped with Bella and cece since their mother was such a kind soul.

[@cheatednomore6430]

@A Round Orifice in Nothingness I feel for you. I was adopted by a vile family line. I was beautiful when I was younger and my mother & her mother actually did succeed in destroying most of my life. They were degenerate, vile, envious and covetous. They were definitely women haters. In their eyes practically every other woman was viewed as nothing more than competition. These types of females cause untold and endless atrocities within family systems. Most of the men sit back and allow the behavior & are also vile themselves. I understand about breaking the cycle. That is exactly what needs to be accomplished.

[@michelleclarke8500]

Seeing cece during her birthday party, being shy with everyone singing happy birthday and all that attention, smiling before blowing the candle.. that was heart wrenching. How could anyone do horrible things to her let alone her father

[@curtissea5340]

daddy knows best??

[@lauriewahl10]

"God has a bigger purpose for me." If God was with him, he'd never would've murdered his family.

[@sarak4217]

Yeah. He's going to Hell. That's God's purpose for a demon like him.

[@sarahbarr429]

@A Round Orifice in Nothingness this is NOT the appropriate time for debating beliefs, holy shit. Get your head out of your ass. If Laurie wants to make a hypothetical comment about god (she said IF god was with him) let her. Save it. You really think commenting “there is no god” is going to change anyone’s mind? No. You don’t. You just want to argue and talk down to religious people bc it makes you feel smart and a video concerning this case is NOT the place. Find another video to stroke your ego and have pointless arguments.

[@sarak4217]

@A Round Orifice in Nothingness God forgives SINCERE repentance and ownership of what he's done. Does it seem like CW is anywhere near sincere?? He's in denial and blaming EVERYONE but himself.

[@loum1017]

@A Round Orifice in Nothingness God only forgives those who truly repent their sins and have remorse for what they've done. He does not forgive narrcists who only care about themselves.. His ticket to Hell is already printed. Hopefully someone in that prison will help him get to use it sooner rather than later.

[@stacieo8001]

Cindy won’t let her husband get a word in. And people say Shannan was controlling 😖

[@stacieo8001]

@MsJadeEem 😂😂😂😂👌🏼🤣🤣🤣 so True

[@fofie64]

Look like this is the problem. This woman wants everyone under her control.

[@chantalsscaleisafibber]

Exactly Cindy is a definite narcasist and controls everyone around her

[@sharonlewis7638]

B I N G O......👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 nor let her son talk, it’s all about her. Narcissistic traits for sure. I’m so great.

[@pamelajackson2383]

maybe the idiot can't put two coherent words together....

[@Beverlycicely]

Her son kills his entire family and disposed of his family in a horrific way and all his mother talks about is herself and her family’s reputation. It’s all about her...typical narcissist. CW was raised by a narcissist and therefore he becomes a narcissist. Both his mother and himself believes they are being wronged. INSANITY.

[@juliacoburn7455]

It is always mother's fault. Never father or son. I wonder why?

[@mgbl2808]

Reputation confirmed to those who thought they were all crazy.

[@deedeescheuermann8027]

That is what evil does!!!!!!!!!!

[@feliciajohnston4877]

It's hard to detest someone more, but his Mother is the issue it's so clear. It's all about her, but also continuing to enable Chris it's repulsive. When she tried to smear Shanann after her death is disgusting.

[@cmwillisful]

So he blaming the justice system that hes in jail? Unbelievable.

[@sunshinesweetlove8238]

Listen to his interview where he wants to get out of prison. It made me want to vomit 🤢

[@Leelz247]

Its only because of the mercy of the Justice system that he's still alive...

[@PixieRaye]

"I feel too much." Yes, for yourself. There is a difference between being empathetic and emotional towards other people, and being offended and upset for yourself all the time while making everything about you. It's not called feeling too much, it's called being emotionally immature.

[@charliebrown1796]

Bingo

[@Nohanih]

Narcissistic personality disorder.

[@twocents7495]

With a cup of histrionic

[@caseyw.6550]

I literally LOL'D at that part. Like shut the fuck up!

[@lumijasminasmr3583]

Good comment!

[@itspronouncednikolaj333]

Did she say he is a good father? Astonishing

[@emmaphilo4049]

She can't seem to access reality. Next she will blame supernatural entities :(

[@jeannebraun367]

Yep, she sure did...

[@jennyannemen3449]

@@MsMaryPatricia exactly. How horrible was that!

[@idolfun1454]

Ugh makes me sick to my stomach🤢🤢🤮🤮

[@katevernile3015]

She should ask her grandchildren what kind a father he is!

[@looking4things669]

Cindy, "These people are crazy!" She's talking to her son who murdered his pregnant wife and little daughters and has no idea how she sounds

[@joanclawford8964]

I was extremely shocked at the mothers attitude & reaction.. Unbelievable disregard for the mother & 3 children, her grandchildren.. Utter selfishness...!!! 😲 Those little girls went through the most traumatic death.. How scared they must have been & how their mother was shown the most ultimate of disrespect is behond me...!!!

[@jessieessex]

The nicest thing she said about any of the people her son murdered was that Bella reminded her of her own son. That’s the best compliment she can give.

[@joanclawford8964]

@@jessieessex totally unbelievable, yes..!!

[@jankasza5538]

Most of us feel the same!

[@jessieessex]

@@MsMaryPatricia The only negative thing she could say about Chris was, “...he was quiet...”, which she also said about Bella.

[@Georgie14]

She actually says “ there’s no thing that would have predicted this would have happened to HIM”.

[@LC-go5on]

You triggered it Cindy!!!!

[@tatonkapeach]

Well.... she caused this by chronically not supporting her son on his manhood. Not participating in his children’s life. Not supporting his marriage. She wanted him on her tit. She caused it by making him feel bad about his adult life. She refers to him a lot as a kid. Not a man. He really never had a shot with a bitch mother like this.

[@tatonkapeach]

@@LC-go5on she did trigger it. I agree with you. She is disgusting

[@juttadestiny6810]

@Maureen Ingleston true statement Maureen! 💙

[@lieke9460]

@@tatonkapeach I think his father is crazy as a bat too. Very inappropriate giggles.

[@gtaylor6937]

Shannan: He looks like a Skater Boy. Look at his hair. Cindy Watts: That's unforgiveable! I never liked her after that. Chris kills his entire family. Cindy: Son, I adore you, I forgive you. Can you believe how they'z trash talkin' about us?

[@emp9413]

She thinks he's justified.

[@ButterflyMom731]

I thought the same thing !!

[@hippielove3100]

When I was in my twenties I changed many of my boyfriends hair , for the better . They didn’t mind at all and knew they looked better . Appreciated my Caring . She was jealous of Shanann PERIOD !!!

[@thefairhairedboywiththered2951]

@@hippielove3100 Agreed, guys like this as it shows that someone is caring. Also the comments that she took offence to is just normal banter it’s not remotely malicious.

[@kwazimokava]

This lady has it spot on about the mothers narcissistic traits past on to her son.

[@clockwinder2924]

“These people are crazy...” (they might want to hurt us!) Um, what does she think happened to poor Sha’nnan, Bella, CeCe and Nico? Cindy: if you’re watching this, you will never be, or be seen as a “good, loving parent.” The lady that was speaking on on your behalf in court was actually making you seem human. No one will ever forget the crime your son committed. Do you really think that Sha’nnan’’s parents don’t feel enmity towards your hideous son? You should thank them for fighting for his life. Also, don’t use God’s word out of context.

[@magdadzialak2178]

👏👏👏👏

[@tracyross5831]

😭😭😭😭. What is wrong with this "Mother"........ She's NOT a Mother, she's NOT a Grandmother, SHE'S CRAZY🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱. SUCK IT UP, LADY,........... He's NEVER getting OUT🤣😂🤣😂

[@johnlamphier3515]

I know the irony

[@blacknight2149]

Cindy is a psychopath too-she should be happy they included her in the documentary. Her statement says it all. I don’t understand why it’s so hard for her to say “I love my son, but I’m horrified by what he did. He destroyed so many peoples lives.” Geez

[@ΑλέξιΛύκος]

“He destroyed so many people’s lives.” -Including her own. I’m sure a normal grandparent would view it that way if their grandkids were murdered by their father. That’s life-destroying to all those who cherish them. But obviously she wasn’t someone who did...

[@emmaphilo4049]

Some people don't know how to form their emotions or thinking that's why they talk in ready made expressions. This woman could access this only through therapy. She doesn't have that personal skill to even express this sentence

[@katinahughes6007]

I don't remember ever hearing his parents talk about how much they are hurt over their grandaughters. It's unbelievable.

[@leaharchambault5796]

Yes, I kinda wonder if Cindy somehow didn’t even believe that her youngest grandchild was an anaphylactic to tree nuts, and if the ice cream “thing” was more of a “statement” vs. an oversight? I wonder if Cindy was just trying to upset Shannan with the nut ice cream.

[@katinahughes6007]

It was almost like Cindy thought Shannan was over exaggerating CC's allergies just to be controlling which I think made her (Cindy) resent CC in a way.

[@vivdoolan6846]

Words to the effect of ' I was really unhappy about this film of me on a slip and slide being shown ' in the netflix docu .... but seemingly not unhappy about her grandchildren being murdered. No mention of them. Insane family.

[@dlsmith57]

And, she calls them "crazy people" as if she and her murdering son are sane... smdh

[@lebe6863]

Smdh?

[@cme6845]

Clearly the whole world knows better

[@dlsmith57]

@@lebe6863, smdh means "shaking my damn head." You can always search a computer slang on google to find it's meaning.

[@lisacranmer8005]

He thinks he is going to get out and be blessed with a good LIFE..

[@catsav1]

Cindy says she doesn’t know how this could happen to him. She views Chris as the victim here....

[@TheTuellfamily]

That struck me as well. What exactly “happened” to HIM? I think she is in complete denial. She has painted him as the hero in her mind. He killed Shanan because she killed his children. He was the vigilante. That is what she tells herself. I also think that she has no problem with him killing Shanan because she saw Shanan as the person who stole her son from her and she considered Shanan to be abusive and awful.

[@emmaphilo4049]

He accidentally committed horrific crimes🤦‍♀️

[@chowfun1976]

When she said she forgave him during his sentencing I almost threw up

[@acb5245]

Yeah.........the insensitivity, the lack of empathy.......she´s a very disturbed woman.

[@nicanonymus2491]

„You’re a good father......“ Is this lady crazy? This was disgusting. 🤮

[@dr.watson8251]

@@nicanonymus2491 His children would respectfully disagree.

[@Kpink744]

I know as a mum myself and a gran I can’t say what I would say but it would not be responses like this . One thing I do know is how destroyed I’d be if my son , god forbid , did this to his wonderful innocent children . And actually his wife . Even if we had a rocky relationship in life , which thankfully isn’t the case , I’d be on my knees to the Rzucek family . Any thoughts or feelings I would keep private when I saw him in prison after . My first question would be why ? Yes she’s in pain but why and what is the pain ... certainly not as a grieving granny

[@sym3125]

Forgiveness is for yourself, not for the other person

[@Yourworstfears]

Every time Chris watts speaks “I just want to get out of here” Shananns soul BEAMS

[@mojokg13]

Shannan had this woman figured out from day 1, imagine having a mother in law so narcissistic that you can't trust them around your children, and she sits and ponders why Chris is the way he is. Unbelievable.

[@nichellehowell]

Shannan was a narcissist herself 🤦‍♀️

[@idolfun1454]

nichellehowell so probably that's why Chris killed Shannan because he sees his mother in her?

[@jankasza5538]

Yes, no wonder they moved to Colorado!

[@gingerdevonshire1479]

"I cannot believe they shown me looking awful in a slide! those shoots were private!" - "Ma'am but we are talking about the cruel an vicious murders of your grandchildren and daughter-inlaw by your son" - "yeah whatevs" Jesus Christ the indolence

[@des10eeeh]

THIS! 🙌🏼 She is completely out of her mind!

[@darrensanimalsvideos]

He's found God. Give me 5 minutes with him, he'd find God alright.

[@acb5245]

Please let Cindy Watts meet God aswell.

[@magdadzialak2178]

Crazy people

[@addie_is_me]

Lol I know, right!

[@catalinafirefly4685]

I hate his Mother. She is the demon!!!

[@Megdracula]

That’s really not a way to solve this violence feeding violence. He will get his. He’s getting it now.

[@xeno4746]

Cindy: "They talked about a divorce. Like he finally saw the light". Oh, my .... Now she "has her son back". Not a word about the children or Shannan. Brrrrr.

[@anonamasnoname9098]

They should have never let cindy go on with her crap at victim impact statement's, it was horribly, I am still angry at the judge for that

[@pamelajackson2383]

she stole the time to talk about HERSELF and her killer son. ugh. I agree with you totally. What a farce.

[@laurabuttery6401]

That is such a very good point! Why DID the judge allow Cindy to continue their statement? I am still appalled every time I hear Cindy read that heinous piece of paper! It's like watching those precious souls being murdered all over again.

[@gabriela3338]

I can only imagine what Shannan had to deal with. This lady is a total narcissist. Honestly, no wonder why Chris is so Effed up. Keep talking Cindy, it explains everything we need to know.

[@hippielove3100]

Chris himself talked about his Dads cocaine abuse , not the Rzuceks.

[@teriandjacob]

Ya know I was thinking the same thing 🤔 Chris was upset about his dad doing Cocaine..

[@caseyw.6550]

@MsJadeEem Dont get it twisted...he's a horrible person, too.

[@LC-go5on]

The Watts family are a bunch of inbred sociopaths. Horrible people.

[@MiraculousAngelTarot]

The moment when Cindy Watts tells Chris Watts "these people are CRAZY" ....🙊🙉🙈

[@lawnpro979]

Chris's Parents hated her so much I feel as if they are relived that she's gone. I think they carried this hate down to the Children and are ok with them being gone too.....

[@pamelajackson2383]

YES, they act as if the whole package is gone now....and coddle the killer.

[@brendaedgehill7761]

I agree

[@Megdracula]

No I think they aren’t. They don’t care either way. They only care about Chris. They are grieving the loss of their son to jail that’s it. They are so selfish.

[@janetbenning2645]

I still think they were involved in the murders.

[@Megdracula]

@@isitoveryet9525 it’s sad

[@thedyosa]

There should be another docu about his mother, since she wants to be in the center of attention..

[@pclvhpns]

Good idea, one that shows how not to turn your child into a psychopath

[@cheatednomore6430]

No doubt she thrives on it.

[@katevernile3015]

Yes, like “When narcissistic raises a sycophant “

[@Schquirl]

I totally agree! So many terrible men had horrible mothers! More focus might help future women know how to avoid terrible men and also how not to parent a boy!!!

[@klarawinterain6101]

"Nobody's gonna die in Colorado." is a weird remark considering what happened.

[@lesjohn534]

Yeah, weird. I think it was a snub at the victim's mother, who said she didn't think it was right to take a life, even his, and saved him from getting sentenced to the death penalty. What Cindy was really saying is that what Sandi Rzucek did was nothing at all. Even at the sentencing when her representative thanked the Rzuceks, Cindy later said in a call to her son that she didn't agree with anything that woman had said. What a piece of work!

[@maxinewaith4117]

A

[@marshnn]

Dear God what kind of mother is she . I know she is a narcissist and doesn't have empathy . If one of my sons did what he did I'd lock myself away somewhere and refuse to comment. I feel so sorry for Shannon's family

[@leaharchambault5796]

The way she talks about S is so rude, her facial expressions are so rude

[@LC-go5on]

Exactly!!!!!!

[@suigeneris6397]

The fact that Chris Watts thinks he's ever getting out of prison is just so ridiculous.

[@lilg2300]

Yes, it's hilarious that he believes to get out of prison one day. But I enjoy that he already is getting tired of being there. It's only been 2 years, and his life is still very, very long! He has many years still to come in prison.

[@brittanysmith3716]

I wish the interviewer would’ve stopped her at some point and asked, “so...you’ve been ranting about your reputation for whatever minutes now. Do you feel any bit of compassion for your grandchildren at all? Anything? I mean those were your angels too, right? Or is it just your reputation?”

[@QueenOfMarsReactsToEarth]

I thought the very same thoughts. And yes, for Narcissists it is only and ever about THEM.

[@jankasza5538]

Right!

[@gloriatan212]

Shannan was full of life. God bless Rzucek family.

[@stephaniehunter3251]

Yes God bless

[@amendez2825]

Full of thrive

[@00st307-m]

@Bri Grant I wish young people got more advice about this - you just don’t marry one person - you marry into a family dynamic 😬

[@goonerbean4680]

They talk to him like he’s not even committed a crime! It’s crazy! I think they believe what he did is justified. It makes me sick

[@DiDi-mk7zz]

This is so messed up the fact that he wants to get out of prison after murdering three innocent souls is mind blowing. These people are so selfish and evil.

[@jaustill237]

Four.

[@mellie7390]

The ruzeks did not get to say i love you to thier daughter but here she is saying she loves him and forgives him! Right in front of them. Shame on you lady!

[@jeanP924]

Its as though the mom is saying she forgives him because she doesn't truly disagree with him killing his wife

[@soniagiles8221]

The camera zoomed in on Mr Rzucek when she said that and he's completely heart broken..

[@soniagiles8221]

@MsJadeEem agree it's so sad..

[@colleen1219]

I cannot even bring myself to listen to this whole thing. I just have to say I have never once heard the Ruzic family speak badly about them. I do not understand the watts family’s victim mentality. The lack of holding this man accountable for killing their grandchildren!.

[@teresahowick5197]

Imagine speaking badly of a woman who was brutally murdered and her kids?? I don’t friggin get it 🤬🤬

[@colleen1219]

@@teresahowick5197 It’s truly disgusting. I don’t know how they justify it to themselves. Then go on to say their faith in God. Has been strengthened by this whole thing if that were true.They wouldn’t speak ill of this woman that did nothing but care for her family.

[@musedarkshines]

The Ruzecks are a class act, a soul act. The Watts are soulless.

[@jenniferb557]

The Rzucecks inspire me to be a better person, they are full of integrity and dignity, never saying a bad word about anyone, begging for Chris life because of their values and beliefs. They are good people, to thw core. They are truly godly people and I can only pray that if I was in their shoes I would have even an inch of the strength, the steadfastness and the trust in the lord this amazing family has.

[@maryanne1830]

"I feel too much. I feel everything. I feel too much." Mmm hmm

[@samcad-ho3ze]

Plus he had to be safe because SHE can’t deal with it. It’s all so hard on poor her. Forget the Rzucek’s, Cindy is the one in the most pain, she feels too much, she’s just special that way!

[@leeanncrowley-davies7628]

I know, it's like she describes a feeling but does not feel it

[@lbthir13en]

People that actually have empathy and "feel too much" would never talk like that.

[@maryanne1830]

@@lbthir13en that's exactly what I thought when she said that!

[@Marshpasa1234]

She confuses having a huge fragile ego for compassion and sensibility 😬

[@babybobbiejeansmom]

"There's nothing in his childhood that would've predicted this would've happened to him, nothing at all" She proves otherwise the more she talks!!

[@robyndawn]

She said "he was a good father" whaaaaat 😵

[@KathySong1]

The epitome of delusion?

[@kellygreen8882]

WAS

[@jmgs24lady]

How sad. I thought that was the only good part of the message...when they were addressing the court, not asking for mercy. Shan'ann saying he looked like a skaters boy? Big fat hairy deal!!! That bothers you, what 10 YEARS later??? I can see how that can stick under your dentures, as compared too what, say murdering his wife and babies???

[@s27dolphin]

Creepy how she keeps saying she wants him to be safe, when Chris also kept saying he just wanted his family to ‘be safe’ but we know he didn’t mean it. Ugh.

[@danepatterson8107]

She is not facing what her son did to Shanann, Celeste, and Bella: she is facing only 'what Shanann made him do."

[@Kim-wt2gl]

If she did, then she'd have to look at herself and how she played a part in all of it.

[@SuperMelrose1]

The Slip n’ Slide thing: no one even thought twice about seeing that. Shows where her heads at, for sure. *if anything, it would have made her look better in having fun with her grand kids. But she only cares about what she looks like physically in that moment

[@antoinettenovella1630]

Which was transparent

[@Miszkuta]

A normal person would cherish those moments on camera playing with the kids. Instead she only cares for her weird self

[@lizbetpcb3759]

Cindy is not a good person. When she says to Chris ‘we know how she was’ I was stunned. Even for Cindy, that was beyond the pale.

[@rachaelutubey]

but keep in mind, she said he looked like a skater boy

[@lizbetpcb3759]

@@rachaelutubey well, with that haircut, he did. My mother-in-law has long since passed away, but I know she wouldn’t think my husband was pushed over the edge to slaughtering our children and me for saying that.

[@zahrakassam2559]

Notice when she abused the victim's statement she said, "you were a good friend, brother, father and son." I mean - clearly he wasn't a good husband (or father), but I feel like not including husband in her pity party was just another dig at Shan'ann. It's like she still cannot acknowledge his marriage. Even in death, she can't give the mother of her grandchildren peace.

[@LorE_aka-midwestmemaw8555]

I can’t even imagine. I love my children, and I always thought it was unconditional but then you hear about things like this and I realize it’s not unconditional. I don’t believe I could ever forgive them or myself for creating a killer. The killer of my grandchildren.