Analysis (+more): Schubert- Der Erlkönig

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David Bennett Thomas

David Bennett Thomas

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@Roma-kp4qg
@Roma-kp4qg 4 жыл бұрын
The last line will always give me chills no matter what transcription or arrangement I hear
@HaliPuppeh
@HaliPuppeh 4 жыл бұрын
Right??? That last line is always chilling.
@LittleMongoosie
@LittleMongoosie 4 жыл бұрын
This is such a fantastic, in-depth analysis-- I can't tell you how much I enjoyed this! I had a fascination with this song in high school and it just recently came back into my periphery. I was just thinking about how when you translate the text and take it out of the context of the music, there's nothing to really tell you that the father is losing his confidence in his ability to reassure his son; perhaps even that he knows there's something to be scared of and his reassurances are really more for himself than his poor child, who truly needs his fears acknowledged rather than dismissed. But it's Schubert's music that gives us those queues, his clever and seamless modulations and tempo changes that paint us a more detailed picture of the story. Again, fantastic review!
@5610winston
@5610winston 8 жыл бұрын
This brief song is the most terrifying ghost story in the literature. It is, in fact a brief opera of five characters (Narrator, Father, Son, and Erlkonig represented by the baritone, and the fifth character, the horse, represented by the galloping triplets from the piano). Is it my imagination, or does the tempo seem to slow slightly during the modulations to the Erlking's seductive song and accelerate beyond the indicated 152 during the boy's panicked screams?
@leloupchante1448
@leloupchante1448 5 жыл бұрын
@5610winston: vocal artists can choose to interpret intelligently the way you describe (shifting tempi) however shifting tempi for real is not to the liking of all accompanying musicians, as it requires a lotf rom the instrumentalists and from the singer in terms of not having the real tempo shifts break down the music (slow down the pulse meant by Schubert). Most instrumentalists, if they are a bit too dogmatic and especially outside of baroque music are paranoiac about singers slowing them down (i.e bringing the whole thing out of tune). As I say it requires skills and also guts, it's a bit if a statement to break a tempo (outside of baroque musique bu experienced baroque artists). Most classical (wienner classic) musicians have been formatted to think "tonal music" + the tempo is a mathematical diktat, therefore most refuse to integrate a degree of "liberty" in the smooth performance....It's a matter of schooling and what their teachers told them and whether they trust themselves and each other (and the public, in case som toxic, dogmatic, musicologist of a big shot of a critic would be in the audience or be invited to write about the CD or DVD)... But some of this slowering tempo during the Erlkônig's enticing song is a psychological perception, due to the shift in the melody line, that brutally (whith the changing parts/role) goes from a staccato letimotiv to a leagto melody line, it feels like the tempo has been s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d and it is possible to convey an illusory pacing down (like if the horse would be subtly held back by the Erlking) just by way of a talented singer going from a staccato melodyline to a very legato. In the same way, if directed very well, you'll have the seemingly experience of s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d time in for example Handel's Messiah the choir piece "Since by Man came Death". Compare the way the lyrics are sung (if really well directed) "...since by man came death..." and "By man came also the ressurection"...Of course because in this case we have two opposite emotions, the apprehension of death, danger and human iniquity (= anxiety), where time is "heavy" hence e-l-o-n-g-a-t-e-d versus the joy and "life" (=dynamics) of resurrection... In Erlkönig, the slowering (legato) is used of course, since it is betrayal, to lead astray, and the fast pace (staccato) is rendering the human body (the father's) physical effort to fullfill his mission....
@lufortuna
@lufortuna 6 ай бұрын
I know it's been 12 years, but this is insanely well done and very very useful. Thank you
@DavidBennettThomas
@DavidBennettThomas 6 ай бұрын
I'm still learning from it. It is perfect in every way! Not just how he modulates theoretically, but why he chooses the keys he does always fascinates me.
@lufortuna
@lufortuna 6 ай бұрын
@@DavidBennettThomas Yes exactly! I loved your point of view as well. I’m writing a paper currently on this piece and your analysis helped me so much
@LouisSwitzerland
@LouisSwitzerland 11 жыл бұрын
as student of German literature, I definitely must say he is riding through WOODS and not TOWN, because of setting being hidden in the sentence about willows which are so grey "Mein Sohn, mein Sohn, ich seh es genau / Es scheinen die alten Weiden so grau. -"
@CrabMusicCrabMusic
@CrabMusicCrabMusic 9 жыл бұрын
this song is way metal
@NeomiNemeth
@NeomiNemeth 6 жыл бұрын
Wow, thank you for this amazing presentation/explanation. What a chilling tale, perfectly illustrated by Schubert in a few minutes of composition. Now, THIS is how you tell a story!
@milkhbox
@milkhbox 9 жыл бұрын
This is amazing. I've really been struggling with this analysis. Thank you so much for uploading a video that really breaks everything down!!! I understand things much more now.
@Ivan_1791
@Ivan_1791 5 жыл бұрын
It is incredible the usage Schubert does of the Neapolitan chord to give a feeling of mystery.
@composer7325
@composer7325 11 жыл бұрын
You are by far the best lecturer on analyses on youtube.You are a true prof.Thank you this analyses is true art.
@885909431427
@885909431427 4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic analysis.
@ChristianIbarra
@ChristianIbarra 8 жыл бұрын
Great work on a great work!! Thanks for sharing
@AndreyKiselev1994
@AndreyKiselev1994 9 жыл бұрын
This is so wonderful, so very helpful! Thank you SO MUCH!!!
@marciemonaco
@marciemonaco 12 жыл бұрын
So helpful! Thanks for taking the time to create an post this.
@fabiomadonia67
@fabiomadonia67 8 жыл бұрын
woonderful and emmotional performance !!
@alperen5742
@alperen5742 2 жыл бұрын
COULD YOU SHARE THE PDF FILES WITH US PLEASE? THANKS.
@KrysHarp-xe3ye
@KrysHarp-xe3ye 4 ай бұрын
5:07 the sound looks like a speed note
@otahgum
@otahgum 12 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for helping us understand and appreciate music better. Keep them coming please.
@maddiecorkran8873
@maddiecorkran8873 8 жыл бұрын
Some of the Neapolitan key relationships (especially towards the end) almost make it feel like the piece, just for a second, modulates to AbM (measures 143-145) rather then just a neapolitan prolongation. Other than this, the video was extremely helpful! Thank you!
@musicfanBRA
@musicfanBRA 8 жыл бұрын
I find the last note ("tot", dead) very strange, even modern in a way, kind of dissonant, not at all the resolution one would expect. Could David B. Thomas please explain?
@Weebusaurus
@Weebusaurus 7 жыл бұрын
it's an imperfect cadence isn't it? I don't know a terrible lot about music theory so someone correct me if i'm wrong
@andrehampshire4928
@andrehampshire4928 7 жыл бұрын
Not exactly. The vocal line ends in the dominant harmony (D minor) of the home key (G minor), which is picked up by the piano in the final cadence V - I. In short, the last note (todt) is not an imperfect cadence but the tonic of the dominant harmony, which then becomes the dominant of the tonic harmony.
@Weebusaurus
@Weebusaurus 7 жыл бұрын
Interesting, thank you!
@pardotristan
@pardotristan 8 жыл бұрын
Great analysis! In m. 139 should be V7/iv and in 147 it is just vii dim.7 (without the flat ninth).
@thegrassguy2871
@thegrassguy2871 7 жыл бұрын
About the E minor Just pretend the treble clef is soprano clef and the bass clef is subbass clef
@bejillbegill8459
@bejillbegill8459 6 жыл бұрын
This is the Philippe Sly recording BTW If anybody wants to listen again
@MatthewHillUK
@MatthewHillUK 11 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing, these videos are really great!
@roselleannguzman9962
@roselleannguzman9962 10 жыл бұрын
Last part of the piece has a slow piano and then stops with a (Chrous,Aria or Recitative) ?
@It9LpBFS37
@It9LpBFS37 7 жыл бұрын
What do those numbers and letters below the sheet mean. I guess that letters stand for the key in which the segment is played? Awesome analysis by the way!!
@ingwerschorle_
@ingwerschorle_ 4 жыл бұрын
These show the function of the chord So in C major C is the I, dm is the ii etc.
@neilwalsh3977
@neilwalsh3977 8 жыл бұрын
How entirely sublime is this piece? Schubert had irrepressible youth, taken so young?
@gabetoso2533
@gabetoso2533 4 жыл бұрын
the problem is that the displayed key is the wrong on. Sly is singing in the original key
@musicfanBRA
@musicfanBRA 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for this, I enjoyed the analysis very much. Note - Bar 45 should be "nicht", not "nacht".
@contrapunctusmammalia3993
@contrapunctusmammalia3993 7 жыл бұрын
I do night see the mistake...
@SpiderBatProductions
@SpiderBatProductions 4 жыл бұрын
@@contrapunctusmammalia3993 do nacht
@Factotum6814
@Factotum6814 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for this video. I teach "Music CLIL" (Music history and theory in English) in an Italian high school. I have a much simpler video in the works (easier both in terms of analysis and English) but I will definitely be sending more advanced students your way. Thanks again!
@RoseRunRed
@RoseRunRed 11 жыл бұрын
You have done me a wonderful service as a music teacher. THANK YOU so much.
@10ortwo
@10ortwo 10 жыл бұрын
Thanks for helping me in my analysis work, but I think you have a musical typo in measure 118. There should be a Cb instead of Bb making it more of a vii diminished 7 rather than a V7. Piano is also playing a diminished chord. Great work nonetheless!
@greenleaf1301
@greenleaf1301 8 жыл бұрын
wonderful..thank you for the analysis
@Piano21Label
@Piano21Label 13 жыл бұрын
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@dueregion8773
@dueregion8773 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!
@민동혁DonghyeokMin
@민동혁DonghyeokMin 5 жыл бұрын
01:47
@mattlamberg1542
@mattlamberg1542 10 жыл бұрын
thank you very very much. keep up the good work
@TheGuidogeno
@TheGuidogeno 10 жыл бұрын
Very excellent! Bravo!
@kyle007100
@kyle007100 11 жыл бұрын
EXCELLENT!! thank you very much!!
6 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for the analysis. Great work. I would like to comment that I never really shared the idea of the pivot chord for modulation as being anything particulary necessary for going to any key, like I feel that people could just go from one key to other with no real preparation and everything would sound as "surprising" as without it. But that's just a personal valoration. What do you guys think?
@evashepherd5387
@evashepherd5387 8 жыл бұрын
m 139 should be V7/iv not V7/vi
@thisismyname007
@thisismyname007 11 жыл бұрын
This brings to (my) mind, the ride of Arwen and Frodo pursued by the Ringwraiths to the Ford of Bruinen. In the book, Frodo rides alone. The movie version is much more compelling and the drama is inherent - a race against death.
@giannezhu890
@giannezhu890 9 жыл бұрын
1:47
@AntonioCelsoRibeiro
@AntonioCelsoRibeiro 10 жыл бұрын
excellent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks a lot!
@roselandiramos7048
@roselandiramos7048 7 жыл бұрын
Essa música é de uma beleza sem fim!
@kalkunmakt
@kalkunmakt 11 жыл бұрын
awesome work, helping me alot! Typo warning to David Bennett Thomas. 2:57, bar 45, it should say "nicht", instead it says "nacht".
@theacorpse
@theacorpse 6 жыл бұрын
Fantastic work, and the interpretation on Philippe Sly an Maria Fuller is amazing. Is there a printable version so I could work on it ? Thank you !
@sirioguarani
@sirioguarani 6 жыл бұрын
gracias
@NicklasJazzström
@NicklasJazzström 11 жыл бұрын
As true as your analysis is, this piece of music sounds a minor third below what's written on the part. Great job, nevertheless.
@gamingmusicandjokesandabit1240
@gamingmusicandjokesandabit1240 4 жыл бұрын
Is the 2020 counterpart of this song by any chance the coronavirus pandemic?
@izzym1374
@izzym1374 6 ай бұрын
insane
@danisicari
@danisicari 12 жыл бұрын
are you a waapa student? lol
@andyriversa
@andyriversa 12 жыл бұрын
he's not gonna do your homework :P hahah or might i correct myself... he didnt do your homework hahaha
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