Anarchism as a way of life

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[@Leftistattheparty]

I assume that Zoe starts all her conversations like the intro. "Hello everyone, *beginnings monologue on anarchism*"

[@RaunienTheFirst]

Her and Shaun. "Hello everyone" gang.

[@Matthew.E.Kelly.]

I much prefer the _process_ of anarchy through anarchism to the common leftist misconception of "smash the state & we'll be fine," which seems to be a similar pitfall to the liberal "just vote harder" answer for improving society. There is so much that must be done, continually, to ensure liberty & equality: solidarity, democracy, they're ongoing _actions_ rather than isolated events or single states of being. Anarchism is a living idea.

[@Birbface]

Hi Matthew, I wonder if you are familiar with the Ghanian symbol of the Sankofa bird? The commonalities made me smile when I heard (I think it was Malatesta or Rocker maybe) that the march to anarchy is not completed today, tomorrow, or in a thousand years, but is a continual process of development.

[@Matthew.E.Kelly.]

@@BirbfaceI had read of it in passing as a symbol but never got specifics til now 😎 I love it. Go back & get it!

[@zeroclout6306]

Smashing the state necessarily requires building the institutions necessary to suppress its re-emergence. Without those institutions you haven't smashed The State you have shuffled the deck of the ruling class.

[@Netra08274]

Anti materialist perspectives Anarchists are living delusionals

[@renyreny6940]

Full videos version 👉kzbin.info/www/bejne/rnmvqmyah5l2mMk

[@perryforsythe6251]

4:42 “Force cannot be used to establish cooperation amongst equals”

[@nikitahichoii482]

Soviets: Anti revolitionarist!😡

[@SJKlapecki]

You know, I had never heard of Malatesta when I started getting into anarchy. Kropotkin, Bakunin, Bookchin, Graeber, Chomsky, but never Malatesta. He seems like an extremely interesting and intelligent philosopher, and I'm definitely going to look into him because of this video.

[@ballisticalrift]

In my opinion, he’s the most clear-spoken (maybe with the exception of Chomsky) and most impactful since he dives into more practical ideas like prefigurative politics instead of utopian ideas.

[@someonerandom8552]

I, too, will look into Malatesta. I’m just a fledgling Anarchist right now and I’m hungry for information

[@dumahazz]

Ja, I thought he was some unheard of thinker when I read his work, especially 'Anarchy', which I've never seen quoted.

[@Alex-fu3mi]

@@someonerandom8552 his pamphlet “Anarchy” is an excellent place to start for an overview. Also At The Café, and if you can find a copy, The Method of Freedom, which is an anthology of his work.

[@mitchclark1532]

There's a really good (brief) review of The Method of Freedom which can be found on the anarchist library. It's called "Review: The Method of Freedom" and it's by Ian McKay. It also serves as a decent overview of Malatesta's work. Worth checking out if you're interested in Malatesta.

[@willyamst-jean5991]

One of my favorite thing about Malatesta is his clairvoyance (not in the supernatural sense of the term). In conclusion in an article called ''Anarchists Have Forgotten Their Principles'', in Freedom, November 1914, where he argues against socialists and anarchists to take part in the war (WWI), ends the article with this : ''Besides, in my opinion, it is most probable that there will be no definite victory on either side. After a long war, an enormous loss of life and wealth, both side being exhausted, some kind of peace will be patched up, leaving all questions open, thus preparing for a new war more murderous than the present''. He was spot on. And throughout his writing you can see this clairvoyance.

[@ericmuschlitz7619]

But that’s not clairvoyance, that’s just reason and exploration of logical models, why use metaphysical language? It only murks the waters.

[@justinbowen678]

@@ericmuschlitz7619 In this sense, clairvoyance means accuracy of prediction. It has nothing to do with the supernatural, but instead just means proximity to truth

[@l3eatalphal3eatalpha]

Like the post, but the word is probably prescience.

[@aspektx]

"Adults oppressing children." You're the only other source I've heard point this out. Thank you. I don't think that Identity Politics in the long-term is the way forward. But I do believe it is necessary for now. I've often thought that the last group to be liberated will be children. After all what group has experienced exploitation and oppression from time immemorial, across class, race, and geography--children.

[@L3gitNinjaMonkey]

the channel Saint Andrewism has some great videos on the oppression of children if you haven't seen them already

[@aspektx]

@@L3gitNinjaMonkey I have not. Thank you.

[@Trowa71]

If you predict children to be the last group liberated, should their liberation receive the greatest focus?

[@aspektx]

@@Trowa71 do you mean refocus away from other movements? I have a more organic view. These movements arise in specific populations and they obliquely affect or spin-off other groups and movements. Specifically I meant that currently children are most often seen as not having rights. They are treated Iike property. It's going to take some serious time, intelligence, and wisdom to crack this open. In places I've seen hints of it. Because of these factors I think that children will be the last liberation. Considering the leaps in recognition that LGBTQ and feminism have made in recent years maybe it will begin sooner than I thought. Hope this wasn't to rambling. If you feel tugged at by the idea of children's liberation, then investigate and see where it takes you.

[@Trowa71]

@@aspektx I will investigate further, absolutely! To make a really dumb analogy, when playing a new video game, you could start on easy mode and work your way to hard mode, or you could jump to hard mode. In this case, children's liberation being hard mode. Like, if we super focused on children's lib, would all the oppressions above it (race, gender, class) be taken on by default? Instead of refocusing away to another target, would it be a more accurate and devastating shot on the same target?

[@euso2008]

Despite being more of an ML I found Anarchy by Malatesta a really concise and straightforward book on anarchist philosophy, I like the fact that it calls out the false dichotomy of individual vs collective freedom that liberals talk about, when in reality they are actually one and the same.

[@joypomeroy1452]

I'd recommend Anarchy Works by Peter Gelderloos 💪

[@pacotaco1246]

​@@joypomeroy1452id add onto that pretty much anything written by emma goldman

[@coololi07]

Dear Zoe Baker, You claim to be an anarchist yet you seem to support Sailor Emma and Sailor Errico's concentration of revolutionary magical girl power. Doesnt sound very horizontal now does it?

[@badger1296]

All hail Sailor Emma! ✊

[@mm-rj3vo]

The thumbnail is an edit of Sailor Moon, a popular older anime ​@@MikaelArkangil

[@ThomasMullaly-do9lz]

Yah yah and the crust punks think their anarchy is better than our anarchy

[@roseproctor3177]

bahahaha ​@@ThomasMullaly-do9lz

[@unsc2060]

Sailor Moon Malatesta, now that's something new.

[@rhubiks8430]

Actually funnily enough it's not new, that was an authentic photograph of Malatesta in 1890s

[@xgzav3488]

Sailor Moon's design was, in fact, inspired by Malatesta's pyjamas

[@FlauFly]

Anarchy as thing that needs to be constantly produced and reproduced over - I think it's the main message from Ursula Le Guin's Dispossessed.

[@yonni780]

I recently came across the Dao De Ching and daoist philosophy. When I read it, I realized it had so much overlap with Anarchist philosophy. If there is ever a guide on the day to day practice of anarchism and spirituality, this is it. It was no surprise to me that Ursula Le Guin was inspired heavily by daoism and even made a translation of the Dao De Ching!

[@midnightsun2085]

I was honestly thinking about this just a couple of days ago. I'm a novice to anarchy, however I have joined some anarchy related groups and one thing I've picked up is that anarchy is a life style and not a political system. Its a way of living with others to benefit self as well as each other. I hope to join more anarchy groups and other groups associated with mutual aid to practice anarchy. To both enlighten consciousness to prevent from acting out the old system and to make pure inform decisions. Especially when it comes to acts of violence such as sexual abuse. Which still hasn't been dealt with to this day.

[@joypomeroy1452]

I'd recommend Anarchy Works by Peter Gelderloos 💪

[@midnightsun2085]

@@joypomeroy1452 thank you comrade.

[@joypomeroy1452]

@Zen Graves dafuq are you talking about? Just no

[@CasperTimor]

The political system anarchism advocates is libertarian socialism, so anarchism is not a political system per se, but I wouldn't say it's a "life style" either, wich is a notion that sometimes goes in some bizarre paths. I think the best definition of anarchism is the one from the Anarchist Federation of Uruguay, as well as the Brazilian Anarchist Coordination, that are highly influenced by Malatesta, wich is that anarchism is a "political ideology", wich means a set of principles, ideas and practices wich aim to understand social reality as to act on it in a transformative way toward a final objective. So anarchism involves a critique of existing society, a final goal (libertarian socialism), and strategies to transform social reality wich are in line with that goal.

[@TBigDonut]

I loved this video Zoe, its certainly thought provoking, i'm glad to have found your channel!

[@meyaomeyao]

The part about "influencers" made me think about how people in an anarchist society would need to temper their desire to put others on pedestals.. I'm far from an expert in this stuff and am here to learn but from what I've heard so far, it seems like the bulk of the onus for the struggle between the dominators and the dominated falls on former when often, it's the later who gives them the power in the first place.. Someone correct me if I'm off here

[@TheLunarnaut]

Yet another banger video! Thank you for all that you do, Zoe!

[@obnoxiousancom2820]

Yet another awesome video from Comrade Zoe!✊🏼🏴 This is now officially my favourite political KZbin channel. Thank you for putting so much time and hard work into your content.

[@trans_and_gothicpiano2676]

It's always a pleasure to watch your videos Have a good day, comrade. We'll go marching on

[@BookofOurs]

So proud of Zoe! So happy this is here for people to view!

[@wrennifer9984]

Fantastic video! I'd been hoping to see one like it and it did not disappoint

[@mynamejeff3545]

Thank you comrade! I'm not an anarchist, but your explanations really help me understand the history and ideals of the philosophy :)

[@deeebeee1758]

Great video Zoe Baker. I'd love to see more like this.

[@NullStaticVoid]

Ancaps kind of skip over all of this. They just want to have capitalism without taxes.

[@billysomerville]

This is wonderful, Zoe!! 🖤❤️ Would you find it helpful to know where the auto-generated closed captions occasionally miss what you're saying? I'm happy to provide time stamps if that would be helpful.

[@afederici75]

This is a really great material. Thanks Zoe. I showed it to a friend of mine today and he was also appreciating. (thumbs up)

[@endTHEhegemony_Today]

Yo this was an absolute gold dump!! 🖤💜💙💚💙💜🖤 First video I've seen of yours, and I'm subscribed a.f. Let's learn to live!! Let's do this thing!!!!

[@farty555]

This is your magnum opus. Very well written and articulated.

[@ewalker1057]

The true definition of democracy makes it a synonym to anarchy. Democracy means direct rule by the people.

[@saggguy7]

a synonym to anarchy, i’m not so sure about - i think i anarchy is more all- encompassing than democracy as it can extend much further than just government - but I think you’re correct that true democracy is anarchy as applied to government.

[@ewalker1057]

@@saggguy7 Synonym does not mean exact. Both mean rule by the people. Anarchy has no government. Democracy the people choose whether they have a government or not.

[@twig8523]

Yes, I love the time you spent on the !Xun society. I remember spending time on them in an anthropology course, & most of the class thought it silly. But the value was really apparent to me, & I soon integrated it into my ideological worldview.

[@Andre-qo5ek]

wouldn't the behavior of the !Xun be considered shit talking a bullying now-a-days? the kind of behavior that would push a school shooting.

[@user-sl6gn1ss8p]

@@Andre-qo5ek I don't know, take the example of people helping to haul back game someone hunted - they'll cooperate, work together, and eat together. It seems to me like it's not in practice making the hunter feel devalued, and specially it's not pointed at the guy who didn't manage a kill. But I don't know any more about this then what was shown in the video, so I don't know

[@elijahclaude3413]

@@Andre-qo5ek This is actually something still kinda done in many other indigenous communities as well as what one may consider 'black' communities from rough neighborhoods. Lighthearted ribbing/joking... its like a passive ego check. Being able to take a joke (even if it sounds rough from outsiders) is an important part of creating/maintaining a community where any person may get lucky one day. Even if that person truly is more 'skilled'... they will be raised to realize the value of community and not become arrogant and forget where they came from. Of course, in a capitalistic environment, this is harder to do well because people quickly become envious or greedy (or both) when they or someone else gets a win.

[@Andre-qo5ek]

@@elijahclaude3413 i can certainly read "they will be raised to realize the value of community and not become arrogant and forget where they came from." as less than positive ways. i certainly can see ribbing as a self defeating coping mechanism. a control mechanism for those around you. one could even see it as shaming, bullying, policing. is this pessimistic, sure. i am by no means an anthropologist or sociologist to understand culture norms and their effects. it would certainly be be interesting to to see the positive and negative aspects if these coping mechanism. in the broadest terms, it could certainly be seen as a control mechanism to not disrupt the status quo. ( which makes me wonder who wants to keep the status quo) i question if it is in fact a positive reinforcement of community in " rough neighborhoods". I would need to see evidence for that.

[@elijahclaude3413]

@@Andre-qo5ek Honestly, pretty much anything can be read in less than positive ways, and I'm not just quibbling. Pretty much every society has problems with how their philosophy and culture does things in one way or another. The question for me is thus which has less problems and why. I was being VERY reductive and surface-level with my initial comment. But an important nuance to be made is that this behaviour is typically bottom-up, not top-down... so its not like the community consciously chooses to do as I said, more that such is the result... its a natural form of instilling humility and good-natured loyalty stemming from that humility, as opposed to an individualistic culture where you are raised to believe that you and only you are what matters, thus abandoning the community you came from (I mean actual community, as in your family, and close friends) is the norm. Of course theres a lot of nuance here. Many 'rough neighborhoods' don't have this. In fact, many youth are actively raised to leave the bad environment as soon as they can (via college, sports, or music). But, at least from my experience, those that have a close, healthy bond with their family engage in this 'ribbing' or 'ego-check' behaviour naturally. All of this is from my own observations, understanding, and accumulation of stories from folks that live in such environments though. I would love to see some real anthropological studies done on this topic as well. All I can say for sure is that it is indeed a fine balance between good-natured ribbing that builds a healthy sense of humility, vs verbal abuse and manipulation. That difference however, is usually in regards to how egalitarian the relationship is... if its more hierarchical, such as elders (or parents or even older siblings) with more coercive power doing that, than it almost always turns into abuse, but if its fellow peers or if everyone is on equal footing than its just fun because you know the other person actually respects you as an equal. Also, there have been many studies about how these non-hierarchical communities do in fact have anti-ego mechanisms to keep narcissistic, egoistic, and psychopathic people from getting into positions of power. I'll share them when I find them again, but a good place to start is the studies done with the Mbuti, the Khoisan (mentioned in the video) and other indigenous peoples. And of course, it is a well-known fact that our current individualistic society tends to attract those very same ego-minded, non-empathetic people into positions of power at great cost to our society.

[@livpeake8108]

I learnt about the /Xam people at uni I love how well researched this is! I just wish you poke faster always have to watch your videos on at least 1.25 speed

[@sufferedsage]

I would love to hear your perspective on post-structuralist anarchism.

[@musicdev]

I second this

[@pygmalion8952]

deleuze etc?

[@sufferedsage]

@@pygmalion8952 Deleuze for sure, but also the entirety of Anarchism as a movement reckoning with post modern philosophy. Though poorly named, post-anarchism has become increasingly interesting to me after years being an ancom.

[@mynameis9389]

@@sufferedsage Post-left green anarchy? I think Zoe is against this as they advocate for mass movements and I would assume civilization and society

[@richardjessiejohnson9108]

I’m learning so much. Gracias, Companiera.

[@r.w.bottorff7735]

Thank you for freely sharing this, it has helped me to crystallize my own beliefs into a philosophy that i can now share with others still.

[@user-sl6gn1ss8p]

the closed captions at 14:43 read "large gay meat is shared equally among the group" : )

[@ewalker1057]

Gay did not mean the same then. It's only in recent decades that it referred to sexuality.

[@user-sl6gn1ss8p]

@@ewalker1057 true, but I'm pretty sure it was meant to be "large game meat", isn't it? anyway, just thought it was amusing

[@ewalker1057]

@@user-sl6gn1ss8p Read a comment earlier that took it seriously to mean sexuality. Grew up with gay meaning happy, merriment.

[@watermelontimes2640]

If you have time to listen to some songs from the early 1900s, you'll hear singers sing phrases like "happy and gay" or "joy and gay" and what not

[@johnmorgan4124]

Good vid comrade. Keep up the struggle.

[@badger1296]

I love you Zoe! ❤️ We need more people like you in the world! 🌎

[@missZoey5387]

The quotes Zoe uses from the !Kung comes from a account by Canadian anthropologist Richard Lee entitled Christmas in the Kalahari

[@rb1054]

Thank you for your work!

[@mimszanadunstedt441]

Great video, actually answers all the questions I thought to raise through the video.

[@AnarchoPoseur]

Have you heard Murray Bookchin's criticisms of 'lifestylism' within contemporay anarchism? I would love to hear your thoughts

[@Subzearo]

Great work, anarchy is a verb as well as a status

[@mxrkxo]

Thank you for the video

[@Nikolas100o10oao]

Phenomenal Video comrade

[@erin23452]

Thanks for the video!

[@user-oe5us9vw8s]

the tribe man story is amazing and i will try to add more humility into my day to day interactions.

[@nicolasparadoja1443]

the "problematic" arrow pointing at Hobbes killed me

[@lizardking1rock]

Tears comrade tears. Thanks.

[@Hans-cs1is]

Thanks for the vid m8

[@AR15ORIGINAL]

There was... one word in the explanation of societies against the state which I didn't understand. Upstartism? Somewhere around 14:00

[@wa5657]

thank you for your hard work, for reals!! i'm a bit new here (on your channel and anarchism as consciously chosen politic), and really appreciate your content as a person who cannot bear reading and understands stuff only explained audibly :з your level is still a bit hard for me to digest, but memes help to not lose track, so i thank you for those as well!!

[@simonpossoz3902]

Great vid dr baker

[@assaf_jerry]

DAMN this channel is good!

[@riku32194]

I jus' tried to view recent a tweet of hers that I got a notification for and it said that there was something wrong and it couldn't be brought up, so, after doing quite a bit of scrolling, I found that all of her tweets have been deleted, but her account's still up

[@utuelias]

19:09 I have learnt to only expect the word 'dissociation' to be used in a psychological context with a very negative implication so I find it really, really interesting to hear it used liked you did here. And I'm _thankful_ for that you did, because it makes me realise that heck, me recognising my dissociation and learning about my quite distinct parts ('I' here being a word used out of clarity and habituation) is... an anarchistic act, actually? Oh wow. It really is, when I think about it, because dissociation is not something I fear, for me it's clarity and organisation and makes me be better able to hear myself and the different and varying needs and thoughts I, we, have. No wonder it took just a few months to go from "I'm plural" to also realise I'm anarchistic. [Text brought to you by two very different alters from which one is why this text sounds far more formal than my writing usually does. Sorry about that.]

[@tagltagl4870]

I really need to read more Malatesta.

[@wraithwrecker_]

Jesus, I can understand disagreeing with Hobbes but you didn't need to murder him, Zoe, he's already dead! Edit: jokes aside, this was a fucking great video.

[@nat9909]

This sounds a lot like the principles of governance utilized by the recovery group AA. It's literally written into the founding principles. AAs 12 Steps and 12 traditions are essentially a good starting point for functional anarchy in practice. It seems like it could adapted for the general public.

[@PatrickCordaneReeves]

I often find myself now randomly shouting, "Disregard the constabulary!"

[@artemkanarchist]

❤️🖤Thank you so very much for your work!❤️🖤

[@ladymorwendaebrethil-feani4031]

Bakunin Lifestyle: Going around the world promoting revolution in 80 countries. (It wasn't 80 countries, but he actually went around the world or promoting political unrest or breaking out of prison)

[@47riley47]

much love 🕉️♥️

[@ilmc2799]

I'm a liberal and I'm looking into anarchy. And it seems like an anarchist idea is that cooperation between men cannot be acheived through force. I just want to know, what will achieve cooperation between men? If not force.

[@baptizednblood6813]

Glad you’re trying to learn more of the political ideologies and I hope you find something useful in Anarchism. My theory for your question would be through a societal shift in values and “pride”. Meaning that in an anarchist society, being a helpful and selfless member of society will be highly regarded and respected leading to more people naturally wanting to follow suit. As far as how anarchism is achieved over capitalism as it is now, I don’t have a good answer for that

[@woodygilson3465]

Malatesta says that the only acceptable coercion is a good argument.

[@trellanaxoxo]

Any beginner books for anarchist?

[@woodygilson3465]

"The Government of No One" by Ruth Kinna "The Anarchist Handbook" by Michael Malice "The Conquest of Bread" by Peter Kropotkin And anything by Errico Malatesta. There's also the Anarchist Library available online.

[@gabitheancient7664]

cool video

[@pachon8147]

I'm an Anthropology student and I approve this video (self ad auctoritas (?) fallacy)

[@silversam]

Thanks for this. Anarchist theory isn't always accessible for me, so I appreciate your videos. The reinforcement techniques of the Kun (not sure I've spelled that right) were especially interesting; hadn't heard that before.

[@Andre-qo5ek]

wouldn't the behavior of the kun be considered shit talking a bullying now-a-days? the kind of behavior that would push a school shooting.

[@silversam]

@@Andre-qo5ek I suppose it depends on the surrounding culture. Seems to foster a humble day-to-day supporting of one's community in this account of things.

[@Andre-qo5ek]

@@silversam a culture of being sarcastic af to eachother, laying down sick burns, crushing self esteem and confidence, sound like bro culture to me. i would have guessed like the anarchist community in general would consider this behavior toxic. so i am surprised its acceptable. i always find what is accepted as "culture" and what is shunned as intolerable to have no real consistency. it seems to me its so subjective it becomes just individual opinion.

[@silversam]

@@Andre-qo5ek yeah I think I hear where you're coming from. Didn't get that vibe from the narrative, but like I said, I've never heard of it before. I don't think it's healthy or helpful to judge a culture based on one brief and very recent blurb on it. As I said above, I only thought it was interesting, and think it's worth exploring further to see why they have found it valuable for generations.

[@Andre-qo5ek]

@@silversam yup. the dangers of soundbites. definitely worth exploring.

[@taynamarinifontanela5106]

I did not get a notification about this video or the previous one, just so you know

[@pygmalion8952]

9:14 lmao "unsuccessful hair"

[@solidaritytime3650]

The Kun's strategy for limiting upstartism is so fucking cool. Imagine the feeling of satisfaction.

[@rhubiks8430]

Off topic, but what's the painting at 3:05 called? I know I've seen it before.

[@anarchozoe]

In the Time of Harmony: the Golden Age is not in the Past, it is in the Future by Paul Signac

[@AdamRainStopper]

You know, I have some catching up to do, but being out ......... I was like "I can't wait to go see what Zoe has been doing!" I mean yeah, of course I wanted a drink and a smoke and I wanted to see my loved ones and I wanted a good meal and the fresh air and so on. That all goes without saying. I'm glad to be able to get youtube stuff now too though, and some other things online.

[@JaffeCakeINC]

AAAAAH YOUR VOICE IS SO SOOTHING I CAN FALL ASLEEP LISTENING

[@ErrorGaming64]

7:46 My favorite Malatesta quote. Isn't that from Anarchy and Violence?

[@anarchozoe]

Its from Malatesta's article the two freedoms. Part of it is included as an extract in Malatesta: Life and Ideas, which is where you probably read the quote.

[@renyreny6940]

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[@desmondenglish6055]

Damn this video is what I needed. I have made my way up and down the political spectrum and have considered myself an anarchist as of lately as trying to understand socialism and communism in this climate nobody wants to really listen and gain a new perspective. Thank you for explaining anarchism in this way because I had the same thoughts but did not know how to articulate them this well. I have also started a blog to help me explain these ideas but to also help other people get into these topics. Just Thank You again!!!

[@otherperson]

Also check out Anark's videos, especially his video titled Power. Which covers similar ground!

[@desmondenglish6055]

@@otherperson Aye Thank You! New content and information to binge. To trade you Saint Andrewism has some of the ideas I expressed but he also talks about Solarpunk which I’ve recently gotten into as well.

[@eveastardust3747]

Maybe what causes the sense of superiority in the hunter is their domination over animals.

[@Abraxis-Gnosis]

Check out the movie Triangle of sadness

[@AntonSlavik]

These are all very lovely clouds in the sky when it comes to the common ownership of material and means of production. This is something only a life of striving for this ideal can teach you. I appreciate the work that's gone into this video essay, however.

[@Duragizer8775]

I did a mental spit take at 6:11. That would've made him one old anarchist.

[@MrWiibetrollin]

Saw a response video from this self titled Marxist and Marxist Leninist (Stalinist)…depending on what mood he’s in, but he was mostly strawmanning the video. I think his name is “Socialism for All”. Ironic name to be honest since he’s very purist to whom he would call a socialist. kzbin.info/www/bejne/goDWnaWHlsdkftk

[@mm-rj3vo]

I disagree with the notion that certain forms of organizing are not themselves anarchy, because, even though there is currently very little in our lives that does not involve coercive dominance, if you make agreements to the effect that all parties (within a designated group) agree that there, tentatively, exist no coercive hierarchies, you have achieved -practical- anarchy. Absolute anarchy is harder to detect, but CAN be detected in very very nuanced ways. It's easier to exemplify in a system of two individuals, but suffice it to say, if there is an active absence of hierarchy in a group, that is materially improbable to come about, it is sufficient to call it practically anarchic, if not a kind of practical anarchy, if not EVER declara le as "absolute anarchy" yet, though I would posit that it is NOT impossible to create absolute anarchy under certain, highly HIGHLY nuanced and extremely intentional circumstances, the likes of which have not yet been made practical

[@xavierestelles9327]

Hey, I see you use a lot of images from Spain. Have you done a video on the history of anarquism in Spain, and if you haven’t, are you planning to?? Love your videos by the way

[@anarchozoe]

Haven't but want to. It'll just take a lot of time to research properly.

[@xavierestelles9327]

@@anarchozoe That's amazing! I'll wait patiently! It's particularly interesting to me because in history class they basically said: "They killed people and stole form the wealthy, they sucked", and it always seemed like there should be more to that. (I'm Spanish btw)

[@AdamRainStopper]

OMG 2:11 I missed you.

[@andrewrandrianasulu_]

Not really big comment, but I guess I have problems maintaining my weakly-anarchist stance today. Like, I was using Linux (Slackware) since 2005, tried to get rid of animal products since 2006 up to mostly today (due to my close encounter with phenomenon called dolphin captivity, expanded quickly to cetacean captivity , animal rights (vs" animal welfare") and further ..) , try to be more dog-friendly than avg human... It all little anarchy-ish things in my life as I expirience it. But sadly this is not viral, may be partially because I am not very social person in person. And in last like 6 years I lost a lot of me flame about doing "right (left!) thing". So, it doesn't make me very confident about growing new type of relations while ext. world casually assault you decade after decade. Yes, lifetime activists or just strongly-willed people exist, but evidently I am not one of them.

[@ViolentSmoker]

If the utopian ideal is in a constant state of change, so likewise is any method of attainment.

[@reginus]

How might one begin to build these structures within the family, i.e. among spouses and children?

[@3nt3_]

Try to democratize your family decisions for example

[@Birbface]

Practising the act of decision-making should be both empowering for the individual, and educate them to self-manage and self-direct. Of course you also need the freedom to do this and to put the decisions into practice, that's part of the concept of freedom, one of the three pillars on which anarchist philosophy is generally built

[@reginus]

@@Birbface what are the other two pillars? Can you recommend a reading on that?

[@chroma._.5986]

@@reginusi guess the other two imo are consent and boundaries. teach the kids how to say no to things when they want to, and yes to things when they want to. boundaries should be taught to kids to help them manage how they react to things and the people they want to be around and express themselves around. For the spouse, idk i’m single 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@kezyay7830]

Is there some good books to reccomend regarding anarchist anthropology for a laymen?

[@ickalo]

Anarchy Works by Peter Gelderloos is the classic rec

[@XxCorvette1xX]

Check out John Zerzan’s collections of essays, he has footnotes out the ass that are always cool sources or interesting works/texts/authors/ideas I wouldn’t have otherwise found

[@CasperTimor]

"Fragments of An Anarchist Anthropology" and other works by David Graeber are classic recommendations. There is also James C. Scott, who is not an anarchist per se, but his work has some themes wich can be interesting, specially "the art of not being governed"

[@funkbungus137]

Fragments of an anarchist anthropology by graeber is really approachable

[@chrishale5213]

This and your writings on means and ends really make anarchy feel tangible and practical. I would love insight or a writing on horizontal associations one can start from scratch. What are some good starter associations? For example, a tenants union would be hard mode in America. But would be made easier if some of the group members have proven to succeed in a different but related horizontal association. Their neighbors would trust them and tenants union more readily.

[@MannIchFindKeinName]

Idk know about the US, but something very nice is a community garden. Or even a community tree. It gets people together, and if you have more apples than the originally connected can eat, you have something to share and people can see that those things are not done "cause everyone steals", they are not done because it gives freedom to everyone in its vicinity to reject oppressive systems. Here in germany in my circle we have a few people with gardens, due to work hours they cant care for it alone, so its always people just coming and helping, and well, once there is stuff, sharing is the name of the game, cause no one person can eat what you can reap.

[@MannIchFindKeinName]

Forgot to add a good example. We got a shitload of blackberries and also mushrooms around here. Not everyone has nice kitchens or knowledge on the mushrooms. So its regularly a bunch of people going out having a fun time collecting things, and once you made jam from the collected berries, you are stuck with a loooooooot of jars. Or on the topic of mushrooms: Its one guiding all the others and in the end you have much more than is edible for a few people before they rot, so again people coming together in groups just sharing a meal. I guess cook-outs are a lot like that. Everyone brings something, and then you have more (in choice or quantity) for all involved.

[@rowbot5555]

Those dolphins in the thumbnail reminded me of posadism lol.

[@trespass_cali]

It's really interesting how Malatesta describes social aspect of Islam really. Islam, not ISIS not Saudis, actual Islam.

[@LuckyBlackCat]

"consciously developing a system of social sanctions which effectively and proportionally respond to situations where a member engages in what Boehm terms up-startism" YES! And I love how you connect this to egalitarian foraging societies. We have much to learn from them. "it is in addition to this very important that any sanction system which is implemented is not itself a new form of domination disguised as my opposition to the domination of others" Yes again! Btw, since you're diving into anthropology in this video, it reminds me to recommend the channel WHAT IS POLITICS? (Kind of hard to find in youtube search unless you write it all as one word, WhatIsPolitics.) They're a libertarian-socialist channel that looks at politics through an anthropological lens. One of the best leftist channels on youtube, IMO. I think episodes 7 and 7.1 on patriarchy are particularly good, and so is the most recent video: "10. David Graeber & David Wengrow's "The Dawn of Everything" chapter: The Wisdom of Kandiaronk "

[@thesunthatneversets4579]

I'm a communist, not an anarchist by any means. I still appreciate your work as fellow leftists, and truly consider you comrades. The video was interesting, and would like to see more! peace and love to all

[@TheFaithfulRedeemer]

Remember Kronstadt.

[@thesunthatneversets4579]

@@TheFaithfulRedeemer don't be crusty, I still love you

[@TheFaithfulRedeemer]

@@thesunthatneversets4579 ok statist

[@1997lordofdoom]

@@thesunthatneversets4579 I bet Lenin said the same thing before he murdered all the workers that dared oppose his dictatorship.

[@thesunthatneversets4579]

​@@1997lordofdoom Guys just chill, I came here to spread my solidarity, and now you're conflating me with people I had nothing to do with, did you think to ask what my politics were, I'm not a fucking stalinist just cause i believe in the temporary application of the state apparatus in achieving socialism and then communism, doesn't mean i support the holdomer. Also I was trying to be nice, please don't make this an attack but more of a discussion

[@trashrabbit69]

Horizontal chads rise up

[@funkbungus137]

Wait wait wait, we gotta do it all at once or we get us a hierarchy

[@umuddalgic4603]

Malatesta wrote in 1999?? (7:15) Wtf?

[@leejankowski6608]

love to hear this but KZbin has blocked me

[@user-wj5br7oc1y]

Commant to me??? No way,Pain fear bulling to me???No wayBrothers and sisters all free 'FREEDOM

[@hydrostatic3000]

:')

[@j.j.dragon9482]

would you ever be interested in doing a video on free will and what anarchists thought about it?

[@StatikSoup]

Read Camus

[@j.j.dragon9482]

@@StatikSoup any specific writing

[@CasperTimor]

@@j.j.dragon9482 Camus' most classic writing is probably The Myth of Sysiphus. I'm actually not really a fan of Camus, but there are some anarchist writings wich touch tangentially on this subject. I can't really point to specific titles from the top of my head, but there are some of Bakunin's writings collected on "The Political Philosophy of Mikhail Bakunin" wich touch a little on this. Bakunin is on what I would say is a more "deterministic" side. Malatesta would be on what a would call a more "free will" side, and in "The Method of Freedom" you can find some writings wich touch on this. I would have to look up specific passages to be more precise, though.

[@j.j.dragon9482]

@@CasperTimor Thanks for the response, I'll have a look fore myself.

[@Andre-qo5ek]

we where is that anarchist manual already? the anarchist community has been around awhile now. the transcripts of of the discussions of people resolving situations. the omnibus of 1000+ ways to some a single problem, not as an authoritarian book but as a reverence guide. Theory is fine... but where are the actions&results and documentation of those actions&results?

[@user-sl6gn1ss8p]

yeah, I think more efforts to document practices are needed. I'm part of a couple of spaces which work via self-management. In one of them we wanted to study this and it was harder then expected to find much material from an anarchist perspective

[@Andre-qo5ek]

right, the closest i have found is Beautiful Trouble "Beautiful Trouble brings together ten grassroots groups and dozens of seasoned artists and activists from around the world to distill their best practices into a toolbox for creative action. " this is all about direct action and not the day to day operations of a community itself though. i really would be great to get a "Plug and play your community reference book"

[@user-sl6gn1ss8p]

​@@Andre-qo5ek yeah, I get that a lot of work is contextual, but even bunch of examples with some analysis on their differences and commonalities would be great. I've looked back on a few experiences of mine and I could find some factors to look for that may change how to organize, such as size, expected variation on the number of active members, how/why people are members (say, a coop, a colective or an union), etc. But it's a very limited set of experiences, and I think a lot could be learned by doing this at a reasonable scale. That being said, I'll take a look at Beautiful Trouble. Crimethinc has some books also focused on direct action, such as "Expect Resistance" and "Recipes for Disaster"

[@otherperson]

I haven't started reading it yet but picked up "Come Hell or High Water: a Handbook on Collective Process Gone Awry" for this reason

[@lucianomezzetta4332]

Anarchy is freedom with order. Viva l' anarchia.

[@AR15ORIGINAL]

17:00 so... primitive societies are made of humble braggers? We have those here as well. Ironic self deprecation as arrogant humor is not humility.

[@laurapichon7623]

ya, tho i took it more just as a single example, like humble bragging is one of many praxis of theirs

[@AR15ORIGINAL]

@@laurapichon7623 That does make more sense. Still I have found ZERO independent confirmation of this "societies against the state" concept. It's always anarchist sources.

[@lil_weasel219]

I think if anything, this does a bad job presenting what anarchy is. I surely hope there are a good number of anarchists who are against mob rule, groupthink, variants of hivemind collectivism, and extrajudicial executions based on those phenomena. What you are describing there as an egalitatian society sounds like a terrible and very unfree society to live in. Sincerely a small state decentralist socialist.