Pedal Shoot Out - Archer Vs Archer Ikon

[@Paul-dw2cl]

Ikon. The gold paint-job sounds great

[@markn4526]

Looks better too!

[@thewaltzinggorilla8533]

Now THIS is the way comparison vids should be done. Thank you Andertons.

[@minka_nl]

agree!

[@ryangunwitch-black]

Yes. By an ageless vampire Dane. I think it’s really quite accommodating that Anderton’s allows him to wait until sunset to come shoot videos.

[@scinnamontsys]

Definitely! I vote 60/40 Ikon/Archer .. plus the Archer Boost and a Blues Note!!

[@facetono]

Pete needs his own KZbin channel. I can watch him play all day. Excellent reference material.

[@eckharteric]

facetono he has one! (If you hadn't already found out in the last year)

[@glencruciani]

I find it interesting how polarizing people's opinions are sometimes. One guy thinks a pedal is warmer or more compressed than the other, then the next guy says the complete opposite. What I would say from my own experience is that the clarity, perceived headroom, open, and less distorted Silver Archer works better in most live band settings. It will be more touch sensitive, and sit in a full band mix better than the gold, allowing the guitar to stand out more. I find that although many times as guitarists we gravitate to a little more gain, and thicker sounds, they don't always work best in a band setting when you are fighting all the other frequencies. These pedals are not meant to be distortion boxes. They are meant to be edge of break type pedals that give a boost to the front end of an amp, without altering the sound too much....just giving it a little bit more. They also work well for clean sounds that need just a bit of grit to them when you're digging in. IMHO the Silver for the Win.

[@RougeLex]

I'm literally fighting between the two and I believe you're correct although I love the gold one I have to admit I like it for the thick tone. Where as the silver one would probably suit me better in a church setting. Having said that I'll probably get both

[@geoarthur6593]

Correcto ..

[@gregalon]

Great point. There’s a kind of “openness” that I listen for and the silver version has more of it. Both great choices though. I’d probably take the Ikon for really low gain settings where the silver can sound too thin.

[@tommarkle6775]

L

[@apophispnw5717]

Bright, warm, fat, juicy, throaty, boxy, dark, compressed, scooped mids, etc... everyone describes this shit differently. Lol I think a lot of people just don’t know what they’re listening to and say the first thing that pops in their head.

[@jmacc9876]

Both sound nice. The silver model clearly has a tad more volume with the output knobs on the same setting. Also minor eq differences. If the volumes were adjusted to be the same (by ear) In a mix, no one would be able to tell a difference.

[@Claimjumper55]

Archer sounds more crisp and clear. Ikon sounds warmer. Both really good though.

[@THE8-BITROAD]

It's always a joy to listen how Danish Pete plays :) :) Very tasteful playing ;)

[@jjzuc]

I have an Archer Ikon and it has a little more mid meat and grit. Great pedal and Danish Pete plays some sweet licks!

[@chymist66]

John Zucco yeah that’s what my ears heard Ikon = a little more dirt. Both good though

[@Bennettcustomaudio]

I bought the Archer Ikon when it came out and i have zero regrets. Such an incredible sounding drive pedal

[@michaelbrown3586]

I like both Archers! Currently I'm stacking the Ikon with a Wampler Euphoria in the "smooth" setting through a Fender Hot Rod Deville 410. All I can say is, "WOW"! The Ikon's a very smooth pedal that's a great booster that will push a quality pedal with class.

[@reijerlincoln]

These vids are very informative - because there's only one variable and no hype. Keep them coming please!

[@dunebillydave222]

Well, there is, arguably, a second variable, since Pete isn't doing a blind comparison. His playing, from one demo to the next may very likely change, either from emotion or fatigue, or from his subconscious expectations of each pedal. Subtle, but we're dealing with subtlety - especially in THIS video.

[@Mudd1429]

I've been listening to this video in the background as I'm working. Every time the silver one was on, my ears would perk up and I'd rewind to hear it again. Never happened to me with the gold. Sounds more clear, articulate and just better than the gold. Gold is just a little too muffled, silver wins!

[@spidgeb3292]

I thought the gold cut better. Interesting!

[@k-dogstor1170]

Yep. Gold is a bit woolier. More little tube screamer

[@Paul_Lenard_Ewing]

Thanx for your opinion. The so-called warm pedals of any kind on their own sound noticeable fuller but that warmth sounds like mud once a drummer and bass player kick into the mix.

[@Paul_Lenard_Ewing]

@@spidgeb3292 The Gold has nothing to cut thru. Add a drummer and a bass player and it will be a different story.

[@jackbinkleymusic]

@@Paul_Lenard_Ewing well considering that the ikon has a higher mid hump then yes, it does have something to cut with. More over, one thing I don’t think you realize is that potentiometer resistance varies by each batch of pots, you can boost the treble on the ikon if you feel it’s a bit darker. I believe a more accurate comment would be that the ikon is not compressed hand has a lower volume in the setting it was shown compared to the silver archer at noon

[@dannyblau3850]

Great comparison. I have both on my board right now as always on options. Depending on the amp i'm using, one will be used as an always on, the other as a boost to that. sometimes the always on just depends on the day and the room. You really can't go wrong with either and both are as spot on as you are going to get with either the original silver or the gold. The one notable difference being that you can dime these out to great effect and the originals were never too fond of the dime action.

[@JamFactoryUK]

Great video, not too worried about which one I get now. Both sound great. Great playing as always Danish Pete.

[@Bentones1]

Ikon for me. I bought one used a few years ago and it was more beat up than I thought it would be. Used gear curse.still works great but a little shaky. The guy who sold it to me apparently got it used himself so this thing was gigged for sure but I just ordered a new one. For me to do that I must like it!! And the old one will be a spare. Ha. That’s how good it is. It’s the klon to me. I have a Tumnus as well which I really like. And the soul food which i used a lot at the beginning of my klon-ism. But I think the gold ikon nailed it. I also heard the Bill F teamed up with rockett for the archers. So there it is!!

[@HardToBeSomeone]

To my ear the Silver seems to shine in the clean setting’s department - The Gold has it in the crunch end, a little darker. Although these differences seem very minimal. Gotta have both would probably be the census. Kudos to your work here Pete. 🤜🏻💥🤛🏻

[@charlesg.1207]

Both are great sounding pedals. A must have.

[@tonybrown7847]

The silver one seems like it has more depth and just a slightly better sound

[@jimmybergmooser]

Great side-by-side comparison! Thanks Pete!

[@BwanaTube]

It sounds pretty much what you'd expect from Si vs Ge clipping diodes, the Ge clipping at about half the voltage of Si, and having a slightly softer and *grainier* clipping quality.

[@bluestwang101]

The Archer(Silver) pedal sounded more dynamic, maybe a bit more headroom. IMO

[@davegordon6737]

The Gold Ikon is a bit cleaner..low gain..better for blues I think. But both sound better than the Wampler Tumnus!

[@TheAjstanley]

Both pedals sound great. I really think these are some of the best OD's on the market. The being said, I think the silver has a slight edge (both figuratively and literally).

[@starshineraiser6729]

You can’t go wrong. Either one is magnificent.

[@joeguynan]

Well I own the original Archer and I think it is clear to say that the Ikon has more gain as the gain pot is wound up, but to my ears the original Archer sounds more authentic and vintage.

[@scatlizard]

Just bought the IKON yesterday and I'm running it after a Route 66. Very impressive on its own and stacked.

[@CaptPostmod]

I swear by my iKon. Great sounding pedal!

[@RockyH.]

These are two just killer pedals....in my opinion the Ikon is just a little sweeter but, that being said I will choose the the Icon over the original Klon Centaur any day the Centaur has collectable worth other than that- J Rockett knocked it out of the park here!

[@monkeyxx]

while I appreciate the sound of the gold style pedal, the silver style pedal just has that little extra bark or bite that really gets me going

[@ameer_saban]

I don't think it matters which one of these you get - the differences are negligible.

[@CarlosCandidoMusic]

At 12 o'clock it's easy to hear the Ikon is warmer and has more sustain. I agree both are great, but there is a difference. Cheers

[@MrCacciLLo]

@@CarlosCandidoMusic It's not, the Ikon has more high mids than the Archer and that makes it more aggressive. The Archer sound a tiny bit smoother and warmer actually, and this can be easilly measured by measuring the frequency response in an RTA with the audio of the video

[@63caster]

Silver is clearer and a little more open with a little more mid bite, the ikon is rounder, warmer and perhaps a bit darker. With the knobs in the same position should it be remeinded...

[@chrisgrabowski2678]

I think the Silver Archer has a bit more compression. As for those from Dec 2015, I'm from the future. Fix Flint's water problem in 2016; it's still happening in 2019.

[@sgholt]

and 7 years later I bought the Ikon...they pretty much sound alike :)

[@kennyp54]

They are both nice so let's get that out of the way. But for me I find the Gold Ikon a little more compressed and warmer which I like. The silver Archer has a faster attack with a tighter more sparkly top end. I wouldn't kick either one to the curb. The two would probably make a killer dual drive pedal with the ability to select either model on each side, and the option to choose which direction to stack.

[@SGspecial84]

Minimal difference between the two. The Ikon sounds a bit smoother and softer, but again this means absolutely nothing playing live.

[@TheDB11011]

Truest comment ever. You would never tell the difference when live and loud. Thank you

[@KahnuevsKrake]

I tried them both, and the silver one definitely is a bit more aggressive sounding to me, whereas the Ikon sounds warmer and more midrangy. I went home with the silver one.

[@davidthomas3725]

I have a Archer and love it....they sound the same to me...

[@millershane71]

I like the ikon's warmth, but that's just my personal preference. Both sound really good. I would equate it to the difference between a jtm45 and a newer style Marshall or for example the JCM 800. Both are killer amps but I find that I personally prefer the cleaner and much warmer jtm45. you can turn the bass down or relish in it, I kind of like the bass/mid quality of the sound, especially with vocals I find it provides a much over all fuller sound. you can go crazy with trying pedals with a cleaner amp too, as demonstrated here, they seem to just work better with cleaner amps. although the jcm takes pedals very well too. that's the great news. there is no wrong answer. just personal preference in this case in my humble opinion. you can't really go wrong either way, this just showcases very well what each does. thanks for a great demo!

[@heymrguitarman7637]

Nice comparison but both pedals sound much better going in to an almost clean amp to cause a bit more breakup. I own both and they are very similar to say my band don't care which is on my board. The difference is more or less just EQ anyway save for a touch more compression but it's minimal. Both great pedals

[@alicantequeverquehacer1354]

Does the ikon sound more compressed? I mean, does the silver archer seem to be a fuller sounding pedal than the ikon ?

[@BadMofoMusicCritic]

Great demo. Both sound good. Ordering the silver

[@john408smith9]

Archer Ikon it is. Been shopping around for one.

[@thearabianmage]

I have both. The gold is a bit warmer, but they are both equally good pedals.

[@u2acrobata]

HI! ... could you give me an advice ? i usualy use a les Paul into a vox amp ... wich one would you think it would work better ... the Silver or THe Ikon ... ? i just cant buy both .... grrrr ehheeh Thanks! Greetings from Portugal Stay Safe!

[@alphakittyofficial]

Great job, Pete.

[@Morte_Deus]

High gain amp guy here, soldano's and boogies...the silver klon stays on ...period.....home and live. It cuts through the mix better than the Ikon. I use EMg and fishmans so maybe the acitve pickups make a difference. The gold Ikon just got pushed too hard with active pickups and gets muddy. The silver i gut keep the output at 11 oclock, the treble at about 1 ocklock and the drive is barely on at 6-8 oclock

[@kolombijec]

..and 5 years into the future im buying my archer ikon..so i hear...'quite different' archer and Klon...and yet...without watching switching between the two i would not be able to hear when the change happens...archer ikon..good enough..great enough...(Dan..u've changed sooo much...in a good way-...no need to panick if u r watching this 5 years prior to my comment..;) )

[@jfar3340]

why not a tumnus

[@nitemunky76]

Silver one is has slightly more output and more compression. Differences are very slight though.

[@psilocypher]

nitemunky76 I hear more output on the silver, but more compression on the ikon.

[@EclipseGamingTV]

Prefer the sound of the Ikon *apart from* the 3 o'clock position, sounds like it almost hits a sweet spot for the Archer? Both great sounding pedals though

[@michaelevans512]

I like the silver one better for a clean boost.

[@ryanhdmc]

I haven't played a great deal of klons/klones In in person but i like the compressed sound of the ikon as much as i do the more open sound of the archer. It may replace my OD808 in many applications. Though i play with an SG instead of a fender into a blues jr and that may compress the sound in my 808 in a way i dislike

[@NelsonMontana1234]

I listened without looking so there was no "cross sensing" and the grey pedal seemed to have a tad more lows (around 400 hz). But VERY close.

[@codynaler6644]

Really glad I came by this video. I was about to get the ikon, and as far as looks go I like it more, but the original is so much better for what I need. (Worship/ambient jam)

[@TheMrZanshin]

I can't hear a difference I'm sure of but who knows with KZbin audio compression. Thanks for sharing these videos.

[@rongrove1369]

They sound just about the same to my ear...I own both and as long as one of the two are on my pedal board I'm good.just might turn the treble up a little more when using the gold Ikon

[@BoyAditya]

i don't know.... ikon seems a bit warmer than the original one... sounds more "klon" ...

[@BoyAditya]

the original great at bottom end tho ...

[@rabolinger]

Excellent playing!

[@JDtheComposer]

I feel this is the wrong setup to test two Klon-like Pedals. The amp is too clean for this. Either you have to turn up the fender or you have to use an amp with an earlier breakup point.

[@DimiLeventis]

Jan-David Gude Would probably sound better with humbuckers, or through an amp like a Vox AC.

[@janeanderson363]

Yes I'd like to hear comparison through a marshall as I've got a jtm45 + the ikon, great video though.

[@atarirob]

I disagree, the pedal has an internal voltage doubler (9v-18v) so the sound you get playing through a clean amplifier will be much the same as if you're playing it with the amp flat out. Also, Fenders don't tend to break up, the smaller ones do (Blues Jr and Pro Jr) but the Hot Rod Deluxe stays pretty clean.

[@VanishingRock]

Great demo... I kept finding myself saying the silver one and then the gold in quick succession: just couldn't make up my mind! Both really fantastic pedals. I'd like to see you do a side-by-side comparison demo of Lovepedal Eternity and Hermida Zendrive 😄

[@hectorrodriguez5203]

Philip Copping "Buy them both".

[@ArtDonna84]

Incredible demo Pete. I'm really glad I found it. Cheers

[@heyjoe1963]

Living in California with tons of gear and incredible musicians, a bunch of players in early days got many original pedals from BILL still for $279 later $329 and we all have them and sold them. Great pedal just the only way to use the pedal is with Gain between 9clock and noon to get the best sound with volume and tone depending on volume and tone desired THE KLON IS NOT A OVERDRIVE PEDAL it SUCKS. In our opinion is all a hype because today's pedals like the RYRA have a better overall sound and we all after testing many times prefer to the original KLON. Bill still selling the KLON pedal on EBAY claiming is to help a friend and there are idiots paying $3000 for a pedal today. You can buy a killer amp or a Gibson R8 or NOCASTER FENDER or FENDER RELIC STRAT that will really improve your sound. Also when you a great an awesome guitar you will play more and that's how you become a better player. That will making a huge difference in your sound, way more than any boost pedal. I love my RYRA and there's a few other pedals that are great boosts that we prefer to the KLON. Try the Morning Glory JHS, the BMF Effects El Jefe This pedal EL JEFE or the RYRA are incredible sounding. For small sized the TUMNUS and for a close to the original KLON the ARCHER pedal is very very good when comparing to a KLON. Buy a great playing guitar with an awesome amp. The majority of incredible players like Mark Knopfler/Clapton/Robben Ford or Santana aren't using many or any pedals at all, is all in your fingers, your guitar & amp. Get a good guitar Fender tele or Strat or Gibson Junior or Les Paul Traditional or R8 through a Fender/Tone/King/Marshall/Germino/Komet/Bludotone/Glaswerks/Sebago/Morgan/Friedman/Bad Cat/Matchless type of amp and get a RYRA or EL JEFE and tell me what do you thing. The Klon is just like DRUGS because you can't have it, NOW you want it. Stop being fools. Buy a great Fuzz like the JHS KILT or Tone Bender like a ProAnalog MK IV also his a great boost with the gain down, Get a Big Muff or a Eric Johnson Fuzz or Bonamassa or the little green wonder or a tube screamer, get a SUPRO tremolo, Bro UNIVIBE, a MEMORY MAN or a FULLTONE ECHO and then tell me how your sound improved use 3k to your advantage. If you have a shitty sound and now you now using the KLON is going sound even worst. PRATICE PRACTICE PRATICE....

[@nicholas_james]

Church

[@jensenbell]

The IKON in this video is more open in the upper frequencies than the silver one. The silver one seems better suited to Strats, while the Ikon would probably do better with Gibson HB and P-90 pickups.... maybe even Teles.

[@s9plus20]

Excellent comparison!

[@spidgeb3292]

Perfect comparison. Thank you!

[@OzziePete1]

To my crappy ears, the Ikon seems to have a more smoother, mild gain EQ as you go up. There's very little between the 2 pedals & if you wanted a "Klon" ish sound either would do to be honest.

[@eddyrox5150]

Danish Pete- u rock!!! Love your playing style😎😎😎

[@ChrisLarsenOfficial]

definitely more mids and compression going on in the ikon, interesting.

[@pickledblues]

Watched this video and bought one immediately. Sorry Anderton's but you haven't opened a US store yet...yet.

[@stacks4943]

pickledblues Which one did you buy..? Are you still happy with it..?

[@karlhenrikarendt]

Archer Ikon vs. Wampler Tumnus

[@AlVixan]

Yes! I would love to see this too!

[@andertons]

+Karl-Henrik Arendt Well, lets see what we can do :).

[@rafaelostos-tapia9129]

so, what's new? :)

[@chymist66]

+1 from me too!

[@Saixtanwar]

I'm thinking £39.99 for the tone city version is hard to ignore.

[@adamboulton5560]

What one is that called?

[@everetbaker7619]

@@adamboulton5560 Sweet Cream

[@kaibartling7085]

Nope. Tone City Klon-style pedal is the Bad Horse.

[@christianboddum8783]

Does it have to be pedals that are available from Andertons at the moment? I'd like to hear an original Marshall BB1 vs. a Morning Glory :-)

[@andertons]

+Christian Boddum Yeah, it has to be pedals we have in stock. But you are welcome to pick any of those :)

[@Howzernn]

I prefer the ikon for high gain, archer for low

[@tillkochy2169]

I compared the two pedals, in my opinion the Archer have way more headroom and clarity an the Ikon is smoother and don't have that headroom. That was really irritayting to me .

[@marcospintor1333]

I think i liked the silver one more. But I would have to play them in person.

[@chymist66]

Archer for clarity, Ikon for that little bit of extra dirt.

[@davidjameschamberlain]

ikon wins in my opinion. I'd love to see a muff style fuzz shootout

[@jkay6361]

Having owned a klon I can say j rockett makes spot on copies. The ikon is more closer to the original but not by much.

[@MrCacciLLo]

Both pedals sound exactly the same. Sometime the Ikon seems to be a tiny and marginal bit aggressive with more High Mids, but that could be to difference in Potentiometer tolerances, or it's just an impression. Overall they sound the same

[@montyderhak]

silver sounds more "open" less compressed and mid mucky

[@theguitargamer3372]

I have the Silver and I wouldn't trade it for any other drive in that price range

[@christophercortez7191]

I dont know which one comes closer to sounding like the OG KLON, but the silver sounds a bit less bright. I favor the silver.

[@bgmnzz]

Hey, Danish Pete, have you heard about the Captain's idea of all the Anderton's presenters doing a gig together?. Personally, I think it's great, I hope somebody films it, and I hope we get to see it!. And Captain, how about some videos with Hannah AND Nastassja demoing audio and PA stuff? I bet they would do great. !!!

[@danishpete]

Nope, but I am up for it ;)

[@bgmnzz]

+Peter Honoré Cool. One last question, does Mick have a KZbin channel?

[@danishpete]

+bgmnzz Not sure... Sorry

[@micktaylor8350]

Love this idea! I do have a YT channel, but nothing on it yet. I'm so green to all this. :0)

[@danishpete]

+Mick Taylor So green. Like your patch cables? ;)

[@paulblanchet542]

I have a silver one, which I love, but might need to get a goldie as well ;)

[@11calman]

I think maybe (And this is hindsight because here in NZ it is 2022) you should have had someone else doing the adjustments

[@fendermcmarshall]

Any reason why not to stack em?

[@bruno.ariel.deambrosi]

Silver pedal has more gain.. It's a real overdrive. The gold one seems to boost cleaner

[@samleyf]

Shouldn't the title be changed to 'ikon'?

[@andertons]

+samleyf It should :).

[@samcross6204]

How about the Little Green Wonder against the TS808??

[@macgrory]

Humbuckers would have been nice... Can't say I heard much difference between them after straining with a pair of high quality headphones on. Any differences would get lost in the mix very early on. Seems a bit pointless. I own an Archer!

[@JDAfrica]

Archer Ikon into The Dude - subtle blues gain stacking - that would be awesome to see.

[@wbales2592]

That's my set up! It's awesome :)

[@ZenDriveSeven]

Justin Dallas That's my exact setup! And it's amazing how well they stack together. A perfect combo!

[@kestontrammell3014]

Justin Dallas have any of you guys done ikon into a flex? Or does anyone use the flex

[@davegordon6737]

Very good demo..wish everyone did it you way..I will now subscribe. Thanks!

[@joshphelps5985]

Could chapters and the captain do amp demos like Marshall JCM 800 , both the 1959 plexis and cool Marshall heads like those. 🎸😄

[@andertons]

+Josh Phelps Hi Josh, pop over on Chappers channel, he has been using the JCM800 on a couple of he's recent videos.... #loud :)

[@axeljespersen8307]

Has Pete ever challenged you to say: "rød grød med fløde"?

[@BenCaffrey]

Can we do a new shootout. Danish Pete Vs Swiss Tony.

[@danishpete]

Who is this Swiss Tony you talk about ;)

[@BenCaffrey]

Peter Honoré talking about Swiss Tony.............is like making love to a beautiful woman.

[@phantom370]

so what would be better an archer or a Blues driver?

[@mindgoblin7068]

Why didn’t you max the treble and gain so we could hear the different characteristics of each

[@axelrodriguez4327]

live.. gold one.. home... silver one.. simple as that. you want high end just dial the amp.

[@chris.dm8372]

More bass on the silver??

[@elixir9659]

Silver sounds better. Ikon sounds somewhat skinnier.

[@brandog5702]

Here I am. 7 years later. Watching this after I already bought the gold one. It was only $20 more so... fuck it 🤟

[@zfatbcvxbthsbcv]

That strat is a beaut. Silver is tighter than the gold imo.

[@DSilvergun]

So basically I need both??