Andrew Sullivan says America's democracy is at risk because citizens can’t compromise

[@rebeccastone3301]

EVERYONE needs to WAKE UP! Life is about SHARING and HELPING others … and NOT about control, anger, hatred, bias, prejudice, hurt, killing …

[@radar0412]

Yeah but what about The Republicans!

[@larrytischler570]

​@@radar0412 Republicans do the sharing. What we object to is the govt taking from us and giving to evil groups and their political machines that are not in our countries interest.

[@1958zed]

I wish Scott Pelly would have asked, "How do you compromise with a group with so many of its members completely detached from reality and the facts?"

[@1958zed]

@@circusbrains kzbin.info/www/bejne/bGm2eJierpV9aas

[@radar0412]

@@circusbrains Yeah we need a Republican talking to the Republicans who've been Detached from Reality by watching Fox News.

[@radar0412]

Pelly should have asked what kind of Political Reforms should we put in place to disenfranchise the Political Parties who prosper from Tribalism.

[@radar0412]

@@JaCeS4781 There might be an exception, but basically the whole barrel of Representatives is ROTTEN. We need to throw the barrel into The Dumpster and pick fresh Representatives right off the Tree.

[@JohnDoe-ud1yt]

Political necessity. Republicans will probably take the Senate for a decade, so good luck!

[@rando42069]

I don't agree with Sullivan on many other matters, but I agree with this.

[@Joy-TheLazyCatLady2]

America has too many spoiled, selfish, self-entitled people. I even know people from the lower income bracket who act this way. I need help and can't get it and there are people who get help and feel like they are entitled to it even though they didn't earn it. Then there are those who have plenty of money and never do without... I don't think the country can be fixed because not enough people want to put out the effort to do it. 😢 And politicians? Ha! You can't be in a position where you have everything you want or need, have no real worries, and be able represent those of us who have to worry about how to afford a dentist for the rotting teeth, where can to get money to buy glasses so we can see to work, or how can we pay the rent and still eat this month. It's impossible for them to understand what it's really like to struggle. Maybe if they spent six months living on $1500 a month instead of $1500 per day but that's never going to happen. The only way to win an election is with money. It doesn't matter if you are liberal or conservative, the more money you have the more you can campaign, the greater the chances of a victory. The result is the rich making decisions for the poor. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

[@GaryBook]

We all need to be listening to this warning.

[@radar0412]

How can you listen to the warning with Cable News blaring from the TV?

[@sibylb974]

listen, then reject; no more both-sidesing it

[@radar0412]

@@sibylb974 What do we do about the Republicans

[@davidlancaster6941]

Should be called 60 seconds as I haven't seen listed a complete full episode in over a year. Thanks anyway

[@phantomcruizer]

@Ryan Miller l just miss this segment. Thanks

[@cranialheap]

Why isn't the full episode available?

[@kerri7971]

I don’t agree with! We conservatives and many other Independents/Democrats are NOT happy with the direction this country is going in under this administration. No big government and no overreach into our lives. We know what’s best for our children more then the government.

[@wpl8275]

First, we have a country with 340 million people and an economy of 20 trillion. How can you not have a government large enough to handle that? As for things like vaccination mandates, we just had 750,000 Americans die of a deadly virus in the past 20 months and hundreds of thousands more could perish in the next 6 months. Is it an overreach to try and protect American lives by getting people vaccinated? Really. Because every child in public school is already required to be vaccinated. And if you don't even care about saving your child's life how can you know what is best for them?

[@radar0412]

Yeah but you can't have the Republicans running the country. They'll put us in economic ruin! AGAIN!

[@gallaxian]

I love Andrew’s takes on current events. Even when we disagree, as we frequently do, he makes me think and I enjoy his writing.

[@BRM202]

He took the words right out of my head. Hyper Partisan Party Politics has become so toxic.

[@maryannhope8276]

We're doomed.

[@JosedeJezeus]

The cultural practice of marriage is doomed. Humans are so dysfunctional, because our families are structured incorrectly. Human beings evolved to live in tribes, not marriages. When we fix family, we fix humanity! When its all said and done, only the truth will remain. Bad ideas are doomed.

[@sacmom3]

It’s sad because we don’t have to be. Half the country is choosing destruction.

[@el34glo59]

@@JosedeJezeus Right..

[@radar0412]

Yeah, pretty much

[@sillynames77]

What’s better than “3rd parties”? No parties. Get rid of them. Entirely.

[@geekedmaxx]

Or how about vote for people and politicians who isnt corrupt and do things right regardless of political party or race. ,the governor of illinois is a democrat and hes a billionaire , how tf is he not corrupt , and sides with working and poor people but people voted for him just because hes a democrat makes no sense to me, media and garbage public schools divide people

[@sacmom3]

@@geekedmaxx , Maybe people voted for him because he sided with poor and working people. People usually vote for a person’s policy, not financial status.

[@radar0412]

@@geekedmaxx Think about it. Next to nobody in Congress was a Convicted Felon before they got elected. The system makes them Corrupt. CHANGE THE SYSTEM.

[@JGunit]

The fact he only points the finger in one direction makes him hypocritical.

[@devin65608]

He doesn’t but it’s obvious you can’t comprehend what he’s talking about. He’s literally talking about you

[@howardkearney7989]

We can put all the blame on Democratic and Republican parties. We didn't have parties when this country started. Make parties illegal. :)

[@radar0412]

If you made Political Parties illegal they'd just brand themselves The Meta Platform or something like that. Sortition.

[@desertdragon2397]

It's not that Americans Can't compromise, we Won't.

[@gabemendoza1052]

It's because you can't.

[@jhake67]

Perfectly said...

[@jamesgoines7663]

"Reasonable people do reasonable things." A boss once said

[@radar0412]

If the rabbit would've stopped the dog would've caught it.

[@MM-xc2bt]

It's at risk because this country separates rich from poor

[@Sonny1065LV]

I enjoy Andrew Sullivan's opinion from time to time. A rare conservative voice that's not trying to be malicious with his opinion and truly wants unity above all else, I disagree with him often but also find he makes good points.

[@TheBuriedLedeR]

Sullivan is no conservative. Not a chance.

[@JamesonSharp]

I agree with his observations. And I will probably be judged unfairly because I serve in Politics.

[@radar0412]

So it's YOUR FAULT!! 😅

[@rosariomateu3227]

Sad we haven't not learn from the Evil of the pass. If we don't have love and compaction for each other, then we are doom. Peace and harmony for all.

[@radar0412]

They used to have Ballot harvesting in the Olden days?

[@inquisitive.lurker]

My response to Andrew Sullivan would be there are two political tribes and since control is mostly total when one wins, each side just wants that control. The game HAS BEEN going on, and observers like me want to be in power to change things against people who never believed in our system in the first place. I believe in liberal democracy. I believe basically the big themes of the Founding Fathers. I'm saying there is a growing strain of illiberalism that has remained in this country since the Civil war. I want to stop it.

[@RTD3]

Defund the police and raise taxes. That will bring everybody together.

[@matthewschultz5199]

Sounds like he's talking about Kenosha!

[@MattMajcan]

we need 3rd parties and ranked choice voting

[@sillynames77]

We need NO parties and all independent candidates severed from the puppet strings that the political parties wield

[@ernestabrogar4658]

Neither of those will help if the losers don't accept the results of a fair election.

[@uptick888]

We need to get rid of citizens United ..

[@radar0412]

@@uptick888 One thing at a time. Wait for us to destroy "Conservative Political Action Conference" first.

[@hr6334]

Free and equitable education for all ☮️

[@gabemendoza1052]

Well, no one saw that coming. I used to be unaware of the insanity too, until a few events later in life pieced things together for me. You start to see a pattern when looking back: The rich get richer until society breaks down. War and death, and all that other horrible stuff we engage in are the results.

[@PershingOfficial]

A better way to put it is no one should be “devoted” to one party or man. We need more bipartisan thinking. Compromise may be the wrong term. Probably a better way to say it is for the betterment of society. A lot of people do not think of the bigger picture and do not take in all the facts before reacting to a situation.

[@whizbang7130]

It starts with our leaders. It is fueled by the news. Everyone is an expert.

[@radar0412]

Hmm..interesting. Let's revisit this idea. AFTER WE WIN THE IOWA CAUCUSES! 😂😂

[@yellowlynx]

Unfortunately a lot of people (in my opinion, MAGA majority, but Democrats also have quite a lot of them) derived emotional satisfaction in this kind of tribalism - the passion, the feeling of belonging to a community, the gratification of seeing "the other side loose" etc. - and Trump in particular, whipped this warring tribalisim up for his own gains.

[@davispatricks5453]

Was there ever a time in American history when the word compromise was not an expletive? When to compromise didn't mean that you were abandoning wholesale your mostly deeply held values? It seems that our country no longer understands that to accomplish really great things, oftentimes you give up some of what you want while the other party gives up some of what they want so that together you reach a mutually beneficial outcome that serves the greater good and not solely the good of your tribe.

[@Andre-qo5ek]

the separation between politics and life!?!?! when politics is trying to control peoples lives.. yeah.. there is no separation when fighting for your life is just a political game for others.

[@NaturingIFindNatural-august73]

interesting insightful ✌🏻🇦🇺

[@joeycopperson]

I feel sorry for this reporter who had to spend 60 minutes with Andrew .. Andrew was recently on "Problem with Jon Stewart show" and he made complete fool of himself in mere 5 minutes when presented with information conflicting his opinions..

[@mlo3784]

The war in Iraq was and is not the only thing he get's WRONG! *smh*

[@drewhendley]

All it takes is for good decent men women to do nothing for evil to prevail

[@ruralcounsel]

Both sides think they are the good and decent ones. Both are wrong. The Left more than the Right, because the Right mostly just wants to be left alone.

[@MB-ln4yx]

“Public business, my son, must always be done by somebody. It will be done by somebody or other. If wise men decline it, others will not; if honest men refuse it, others will not.” - John Adams

[@radar0412]

@@ruralcounsel Yeah but The Right wants to get in Your Bedroom, have You pay for THEIR kids Private school education, and get into other countries business. So there's that.

[@mjm5081]

I have no affiliation with, nor allegiance to, any political party. That said, I am not blind. We who believe in freedom of speech, thought, and expression, are under attack from those who would ban all speech, thought, and expression, contrary to their own.

[@maxalburg5665]

Andrew should read Euel Ardens novel, Down Here in the Warmth. great novel on race... without mentioning racism. just responsibility. great book.

[@newstartchannel9216]

Stroke the furry walls

[@johncarnettie6804]

George Collin the comedian said it better.

[@ArtTheSinger]

Is he American? Because I hear an Aussie accent.

[@lesvalernipi9871]

British originally I think

[@Dweller415]

He’s 100% correct.

[@sillynames77]

We’ve been behaving this way since our founding. System that is “supposed to be designed for reasonable citizens” went out the door when they went with political parties. It has been our side right your side wrong tribalism since our founding, especially over slavery

[@steveno2760]

I think we need to create new viable political parties to challenge the GOP and DNC. If we eliminate the monopoly held by the 2 current parties, we can get elected officials that represent voters more accurately in terms of policy and ideology

[@sillynames77]

@@steveno2760 tried that with Dr Jill Stein and the Green Party and also tried that with Ralph Nader and the Green Party. The duopoly stranglehold on our political system, that has been the de facto standard for most of our history (brief deviations from know nothings and bull moose excluded) I’m now convinced the only way to get rid of it is to forbid political parties entirely. We don’t need them anymore. They are a relic of days when supporters needed donation systems and campaign support. We live in an age where crowd funding and software services could handle candidates independently, without any need for the political party that currently dictates their promises and agenda.

[@radar0412]

Yeah we've had this Sophisticated form of Commercial Political Divisiveness since the Founding Fathers wrote the Constitution. I mean you couldn't get Alexander Hamilton to Shut up on Twitter! 😃

[@sillynames77]

@@radar0412 Hamilton was played by the media and so was Jefferson and Adams. Quite similar to today with less tech. The printing press was in full steam. Plenty of propaganda papers filled with salacious scandals

[@CloneShockTrooper]

Greatest country in the world..hmm

[@lawrencejohnson3259]

America became “unreasonable” when it elected a candidate such as Donald Trump. The US has always suffered a fatal flaw, accurate self appraisal, it has finally caught up with the nation.

[@devilzadvocate7735]

I disagree. I believe this country became " unreasonable" when the government started a practice of overreaching and Americans stood by and allowed that to happen.

[@moosemoose9409]

@The real Omnipotenttissue This is the hate and aggression he is taking about, if you are actually an American and not a troll, then please take a breath and know that person you just told to go F himself is likely a fellow American with the right to his own opinion, we all are, let’s come back from the extreme and realize we r all on same team

[@sacmom3]

Amen.

[@agoogleuser4328]

@The real Omnipotenttissue your rant is exactly what Sullivan is warning against.

[@lawrencejohnson3259]

I think that the fact that there is no objective “center” within American politics and culture illustrates just how dis-functional and unstable America has become. America is collapsing from the inside out and for good reason. The conservatives long for a return to the “good old days” that really never were (especially if you were a woman or non European person or immigrant) There’s no religion or no patriotic fervor to unite the people. It’s intellectually lazy and simply wrong to conclude that this is America’s problem. In a nutshell you have two groups that at diametrically opposed. One group that insists that no change is necessary and regression to an imagined past is the key, the other says that we are suffering from the mistakes of the past and.change must occur if we are to survive. One of these positions is true the other is not.

[@Jexo_FR]

If you come home and find your wife or husband cheating on you with someone else and he/she stands up and says, "we can work out a compromise"... would you? Politics is too complicated for everything to be a compromise. Somethings you just can not ever compromise over. Compromise is never always a good thing and can be a terrible thing. Look how republicans and democrats "compromised" on the issue of wall street bailouts.

[@sieda666]

The idea that politics can be this abstract distraction utterly divorced from the realities of daily life can only really occur if your political needs are mostly being met regardless of who is in power. For large swaths of the country, people all across the spectrum feel like they're working more to come home with less, that their lives are more stressful, and that their public representatives who actually have the power to effect change are more corrupt and distant than they can ever remember in the last 30+ years. The issues that people are unwilling to compromise on are ever growing, and quite honestly there's money to be made in carving out a political brand that promotes these easily marketable divisions.

[@michaelcaro2118]

the sound is way to low

[@johnmitchell2741]

Man I knew the comments were gonna be off but surprise

[@NoreenHoltzen]

The electoral method itself and “form” of politics bad NOTHING to do with with democracy. They are methods to *reach* democracy but not democracy (the public being represented) itself. A far better index is to state what policies the public wants and then state what policies the country actually applied the last year and check the correlation. 1.0 is democratic and 0.0 is not. USA and Europe have what is called plutocracy (business run) with voting mechanism attached to pretend it is democratic, whist both the system and even the voting mechanism have nothing to do with democracy itself. Democracy means the public are represented. The common Chinese public under socialism (and even the public of the Soviet Union) are represented and supported better than common Americans, so China is more democratic than USA despite not having the voting mechanism.

[@wpl8275]

LOL. China and Russia are your examples? LOL. Sorry. No. Not even.

[@MarioStingerPerpetualTraveller]

He is 100 % correct, just read the Federalist papers. "If a senate behaviour in an reprehensable way, because back home, no one would want to elect him again."

[@AncestorEmpire1]

Enslavement isn’t compromise

[@dougroman45]

Jon Stewart's last episode with Andrew Sullivan as a guest was a perfect example of the problem he is talking about. Stewart deals he has the one true thought and treated Sullivan horribly.

[@lyndabishop6719]

As always 60 minutes always presents a one sided, short, just what they want you to hear agenda driven view. LGB

[@nilsp9426]

So what is the agenda and who is planning it? The public figures they invite? Like Biden and Trump? Do they share an agenda? Of course news filter information to some degree, but why do you think 60 minutes is biased problematically? They show important parts of society without telling lies or distorting it. Sure they do not always show both sides. But that is the job of the media: a large variety of professional journalist who show different parts of various issues. If there are other trustworthy journalists who present a different view than this, why would that be a problem? Do we all have to have all answers to everything? And always listen to all people who are willing to take a stand? Much more important is that everyone has the right to have a voice and that is very much given, both in 60 minutes and beyond.

[@PershingOfficial]

As always we have people who comment who claim bias just because

[@sacmom3]

How is his statement “one sided?” He mentioned no side.

[@radar0412]

I guess I have to rewind the tape. I missed the part where they want to take away our Guns and move us towards the Gayness.

[@BacknRC]

Just watched this segment on TV. If Andrew is so concerned about lack of conversation/discussion over issues why did he bring up only conservatives and NOT mention the radical left who constantly TRY TO SHUTDOWN ANY VOICE THEY DISAGREE WITH (aka CANCEL CULTURE)?

[@peterdarker1]

Meh...

[@illxplicit07]

Andrew Sullivan is among the shrinking pool of free thinkers who dare to exist in 2021.

[@brent4073]

DISLIKE

[@trinity7964]

Normally I’m not snarky, but a “tribe” isn’t the best analogy. I wonder what my ancestors would have thought about his theory. Won’t be tuning in on Sunday.

[@austinhernandez2716]

This is ridiculous. Compromise my as*. Compromise is a bs excuse to not get anything done. And some things deserve NO COMPROMISE. Like abolishing slavery. Or legalizing drugs. Or letting a woman control her own body.

[@nilsp9426]

Just to show you that the world is not always black and white and there are gray scales: - Where exactly is the border between acceptable problematic conditions and slavery-like conditions in a worker - employer relationship? At which moment is it a problem if an employer uses the weakness of a worker (e.g. the dependence on a job, the inability to properly go to court with fair chances in case of conflicts) for financial or personal gains? - What drugs should be legalized and to which degree should they be accessible? Alcohol is a drug. Cannabis is a drug. Cocaine is a drug. What alcohol and cannabis restrictions are morally right? What exactly are their consequences? - Where exactly is the line between a properly conducted, morally acceptable abortion and the killing of a child? Is it important how old the unborn child is? If so, when comes the point where abortion becomes inacceptable? Who should be allowed to conduct an abortion? Any medical doctor? Or do we need a specific training and licence? I think on most of these questions some degree of compromise is necessary as a society. I also think that incremental progress via compromises can generally be valuable (to some degree), no matter how hardline you are on an issue.

[@austinhernandez2716]

@@nilsp9426 When it comes to specific things like allowing Involuntary, forced servitude, and owning people as property, there is no compromise to be made. When it comes to murdering someone, there is no compromise. Same for rape. Getting things done in increments is also an excuse. Don't get me wrong, it a compromise is all that can be made at the time, like Bernie's M4A system instead of something like the NHS in the UK, then I'll take it. If you mean compromising in order to get something done, if that's the only possible way, then I understand. But it seems to be common for politicians like Joe Biden to automatically make a compromise as an excuse to give one side what they want. Like Trump's tax cut for corporations. He lowered it by over 10%, and the democrats today offer to raise it by only a few percentage points, which is still an effective tax cut in the end. That's what I'm talking about. I can't stand politicians like that.

[@nilsp9426]

@@austinhernandez2716 I can understand that. But many issues suddenly appear much more complex if you have to make an actual decision. Of course there are rather clearcut cases, like most things you name.

[@devilzadvocate7735]

" letting a woman control her own body" . I believe that should be for EVERYONE! ,but unfortunately I guess forcing medical procedures on people against thier will or they cannot work is OK.

[@sacmom3]

You are being disingenuous by using extremes as an excuse for not compromising. Compromise can be done on issues like infrastructure, healthcare, etc.

[@bigbrotherisasob]

Mr Sullivan does not want to face the facts of what really is happening. How sad and IGNORANT

[@cheesewithxbread]

Ugh. Sullivan's assessment is so myopic.

[@kuntyfacedbitch]

Nice word

[@sacmom3]

How so?

[@tvo6453]

Who cares what Sullivan has to say?