REAL Reason Katie Holmes Left Scientology & Tom Cruise

Ex-Scientologist Aaron Smith-Levin delves once more into WHY Katie Holmes left scientology poster boy Tom Cruise. It might have something to do with Suri and a whole lot of auditing. It is rumoured that because of what Aaron says, Tom Cruise rarely if ever sees his daughter Suri Cruise.
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[@AndrewGold1]

Did you know about Suri's auditing?

[@smoluk1]

You mean Tom Snooze lol

[@tammiewilson5185]

Yes, from Aaron's channel.

[@erciliaflores]

Nope! Haven't started the vid, but oh boy that is so scary! No wonder Katie was freaking out

[@TinyTC]

@@smoluk1 Tom Ooze

[@smoluk1]

@@TinyTC Hey even better lol!

[@maggiebeth5442]

I have a huge amount of respect for Katie Holmes for managing to get herself and her daughter away from such a powerful organisation and individual.

[@tiger.wolf.2033]

me too.

[@briansteele2723]

Did Holmes continue to have a career or did being anti Scientology have a negative effect?

[@martyzielinski1442]

Why? She’s young, attractive, influential, well known, able to make a comfortable living on her own, and holds all the cards in any legal proceedings. Not fun, easy or comfortable maybe, but a far better position than with what 99% of the people on the planet contend with daily.

[@angrydoggy9170]

Fighting a toxic cult like Scientology shouldn’t be left to individuals. The government needs to step in. My country effectively banned these conmen.

[@Sunfl75]

@@briansteele2723 Yes, she did continue to have a carreer in movies and she directed and produced a movie herself, last year.

[@clfoxp]

This is an example of how young children are conditioned for abuse. Children believe and are influenced by what adults say. Hats off to Katie for getting out of that situation.

[@Kreepyb5]

Yes!!

[@olympiahendrix4392]

It applies to Walt Disney's present behaviour!!!!!!!!!!!! of all companies! Of course they attack children. Hitler did it too! If that does not show their true intentions, what will?

[@lorimiller4301]

Some kids can sense something is wrong and be against it even if the parents are trying to convince them that it's alright. I know because I did.

[@Justicia007]

I completely agree and I just don't understand why and how they're allowed to get away with forcibly restraining people which is assault. I guess it's because they aren't filing charges.

[@peterkentbanner8074]

I totally agree. Is the same like imposing life gilt for the original sin in newborns because of something that someone wrote in a book 1000 years ago.

[@reneepolin6549]

Early auditing on children causes PTSD . Being trapped in an undesirable situation with no way out is traumatic

[@bonnielucas1941]

Exactly!

[@Teresia12]

Exactly

[@Weissguys6]

This episode with information about how Scientology affects children was the most disturbing I have ever heard. Heartbreaking 💔

[@Kreepyb5]

Absolutely

[@jackmakackov7077]

other religions do worse things to children and get away with it all the time.

[@Weissguys6]

@@jackmakackov7077 so “what aboutism” is your response.

[@rs5570]

Good to hear. Maybe pass that message on to the BRF.

[@cas3837]

Oh it gets worse!!! Katie was very very fortunate because of the celebrity status. Kids are not kids in the cult and parents are not always a part of their lives. They have no control.

[@jhayashi177]

As a mom, I would do anything in my power to protect my children. I thought her pregnancy was a surprise and the wedding was a "shotgun wedding." So, I wasn't surprised that after Katie had a couple of years to see behind the Scientology curtain, she took Suri and ran the other way. I wonder if Nicole Kidman has ever wished she'd done the same thing.

[@carolheaden]

She did!

[@9876babyboy]

@@carolheaden Nicole didn't get to take her kids....scientology turned them against her

[@klondikemom3658]

@@9876babyboy sad. I did not know that. Heart breaking

[@lorimiller4301]

They kids were adopted. They weren't Nicole's biological children. The bond wasn't strong enough. Tom was the one with the money and power.

[@9876babyboy]

@@lorimiller4301 adoption has nothing to do with evil scientologists

[@Sally-up8xe]

Great interview both you guys. I don't think anyone doubted Katie left to protect Suri. Surely her father helped her realize how abusive and damaging it is. TC has given off weird vibes from when we first saw him in Risky Business.

[@sar8349]

I have had over 200 hours of training dealing with preschoolers. One of the really key things I learned was the brain development of children and the fact that they cannot - CANNOT - process abstract ideas until the age of 8 or 9. Until then, they are literal thinkers. Example: if you say to a four year old we are having chocolate mousse for desert, their mind goes immediately to a moose made of chocolate. Now there are exceptions, of course, prodigies, etc., however, you never set precedent using exceptions. This makes me think of the mind fracturing I have read about from survivors and how their brains compartmentalize into MPD's in order to survive the abuses. This is sick with a capital "S". I understand that CoS sees children as small adults, but doesn't make it right.

[@kateashby3066]

Teacher here and I haven’t had nearly as much training as you regarding child development but I still ditto your comment! Children are NOT small adults and cannot think or process info like them. Not even close! 🤦🏻‍♀️ I can’t wait till this cult gets their tax exempt status taken and exposed for child abuse and slavery (forcing people to work for $5 a week!).

[@candyrosefreeman7232]

Ok, An Indigenous Child Is Not "Tought" That Way. We Think In Terms Of The Circle...Which Is Why They Stole(Us) Our Children. Your Linear Makes Known Sense. There Is No Web Of Causation? Why? Arrogant Supremacy. Blessings And Truth For All.

[@candyrosefreeman7232]

By The Way...D.I.D. Is The Term. I Know. I Lived It. It's Taken Years Of Therapy To Become CoConscious .I Am Cognitively An Adult, 25Yrs,Maturation Wise. In My 60th Year. Alot Of Work. I Am Housed By Canadian Mental Health Association. So Grateful. By The Sheer Virtue Of Surviving What So Many Couldn't. It Is My Obligation To Speak To This. I Am Open To Anyone Who Wishes To Use My Life. I Was A Ward Of The State Of California,The Province's Of Manitoba And Ontario. So It's All On Paper. Blessings And Truth For All. INeed A Writer That Won't Be Triggered.

[@flowerjpotter1629]

Going to put a 1 here. I think Katie's was freaking out at her child being in the cult. I read ages ago about how with his other children when they were "with" him were housed somewhere separately while he got on with cult stuff, he expected them to do the same. I think the more aware Katie became of what little Suri would have to endure the more panicked she became.

[@emphoenix7238]

I agree. She would also be aware of what TC and DM did to Nicole’s 2 adopted children. I will never forgive Tom Cruise for what he did to Kidman. Not that he cares; I won’t support any of his movies. Great job keeping Scientology on the fire. #endscntax501c

[@mtjensen5]

Auditor in a locked room with your young child for hours?! What parent would allow that? For me, not happening! Thank God Katie was smart enough and a good mother to keep Siri away from the brainwashing.

[@cherylb2008]

I would be frantic to get my kid out of there. Katie must have been so afraid

[@TinyTC]

Parents who think their children are billion year old beings in small bodies.

[@maytheforcebewithyou4313]

Suri One name is like iPhone hers is fringe on top.

[@DeniseDDS]

Thanking God for this is kind of sick too

[@lindaraezer3013]

A parent who is in a cult.

[@franny5059]

On the replay #1 Katie left to protect her daughter in my opinion

[@flatfoot38]

No FRIGGING way my children would be in a locked room for auditing. I get so very angry at their practices

[@Lioness_UTV]

Apologies if this has already been asked and answered. BUT with all the complaints, police reports etc how on earth does Scientology still enjoy tax exempt status as a religious entity.

[@SHARON.I]

It's difficult to reverse tax exempt status. The complaints aren't evidence of wrong doing to pull tax exempt status.

[@TinyTC]

Because the criminal and civil courts are separate. The IRS would have to do its own investigation, and they themselves were Fair Gamed into giving back its tax exemption in the first place; if and hopefully when this Miscavige labor trafficking case goes forward, it will open the doors for the IRS to do their own investigation.

[@TinyTC]

@@SHARON.I It's not that difficult, but Scientology harassed the IRS for 9 years until they gave up and restored their status.

[@lindaraezer3013]

Scientology should be illegal because it's an obvious cult and emotionally and physically abuses adults and children. It's not a religion. Scientology is illegal in Germany.

[@SHARON.I]

@@TinyTC ok

[@ssoozee]

Great discussion, as always, Andrew. I love your reactions when someone drops a surprise or two on you. I never tire of your quest to understand our world and the people who inhabit it. I’m so proud of your success!

[@SHARON.I]

Great comment

[@penneypetit]

She escaped lol. There's no way that she was just "not interested," in my opinion. She must've been concerned about a lot of things.

[@lydiadevries8408]

You could see how unhappy Katie was

[@dalesansom3780]

I heard it said that Tom told Katie he wanted Suri to enter the SeaOrg program. They also say he has a severe temper and loses that temper very easily. So why hasn’t Scientology solved that issue in him. I’m sure he reached the top of the Bridge. Mrs S

[@rdw2457]

The way Katie got herself & her daughter completely away from TCruise I hope serves as an example to other women (& men) being subjected to coercive control. Women are so vulnerable to great harm upon their departures from relationships… the numbers are staggering. // Lastly, Tom Cruise has always given me the creeps.

[@kenz4063]

😳4 yr old, auditing. So sad

[@auntpatty]

Most any good mother would protect her child from such a Cult. I was shocked yet not surprised to hear about this locked room and physically restraining business that is crazy

[@Not_that_Brian_Jones]

I think that any mother worthy of the title would do what she needed to do to protect her child from abuse.

[@purselmer5931]

Tom Cruise suing that British Tabloid was one of the worst things for his image that he could have done. The truth really does hurt.

[@angrydoggy9170]

But people still rush to the cinema to watch his films.

[@karencristobal4999]

Q: is there any vetting or checkup on auditors especially if they audit children to make sure they aren’t you know what’s. Because those people go to where children are so there is probably a lot of adults auditing children who “just love kids”.

[@BeKindBeFree]

Rewatching for the algorithm, appreciate all you guys do! Thank you!

[@DP-kj4hj]

Aaron made really important point about the rules of engagement in auditing. You have to agree that the auditor can (and is justified) in restraining you from departing the auditing room. And you are led to believe the absurd notion that you only wish to depart Scientology because you have hidden crimes or transgressions. The "Total Freedom Trap" is downright insidious.

[@christinehochgenug4632]

KH left because she thankfully woke up and wanted to save her daughter from this cult.

[@Mirily]

Actually, if I remember correctly, when Harry was third in line to the throne he couldn't travel with William either as he was the spare in case something happened to the heir! As soon as William strated popping out sprogs, no one gave a toss about Harry any more. I'm sure the millions of tax free pounds softened the blow somewhat though!!! 🤷‍♀️

[@karenbourke1704]

Happy to support you, Andrew. Good luck. The outage is troubling.

[@reginabasart5080]

She never became a believer, that’s why she left. Over 50 years ago, my aunt and uncle started following an Spiritual Advisor. Once a month the believer would see him in private, the rest of the time was in prayers and advising the group. Needless to say this guy was sa my cousin from the age of 10 until she was 17. He was grooming her the last act, when she decided to do it with her high school sweetheart. This guy tried to separate them from everyone, my aunt was told to keep her away from this young man, and even from me because we were always together and this devil was afraid that she would trust me with the secret. Good for you Katie.

[@auntdello5286]

Katie was "auditioned" chosen and groomed to be a "acceptable" mate for TC. It always confused me how she went along with it in the first place. Im glad she eventually got herself and child out!

[@jonathansonnier3078]

IF I WAS 10 in my FIRST AUDITING SESSION I would have pretended I remembered the plot to the n book “ENDERS GAME” AS MY PAST LIFE 😂 WHAT AN AMAZING BOOK

[@fivecatgirly]

What a crazy way to live.

[@jodiemcbrodie4997]

I wonder what does Elizabeth Moss think about people who allege mistreatment by the C of S, when she produces and acts in The Handmaid’s Tale with all the horrific abuse depicted in that show? 🤔

[@TinyTC]

She doesn't have cognitive dissonance. She was raised in a cult.

[@TinyTC]

@Abe Froman I don't know about moral fibre, but she is a very intelligent woman.

[@michellem9525]

It's Elisabeth

[@PeaceLovePeaches123]

How creepy and manipulative would Suri's "auditing" have been? Especially compared to a non-celebrity 6 year old. Go Katie!

[@wtb472]

Scientology should be investigated then for child abuse.

[@sherri4468]

Her Dad ripped Tom and the head of Scientology (don’t remember his name) a new one. Why would Tom go through all that auditing?

[@MaryPinkHair]

VERY relieved to know Tom Cruise is not crazy. TY

[@Kreepyb5]

Thanks for hearing me Andrew and Juli

[@YTistooannoying]

Also, Aaron, Harry is Charles's son. He is the spitting image of Prince Phillip. The only thing he shares with the other guy is red hair, which runs in Diana's family.

[@TinyTC]

It's not like A-Aron is the first to say that...

[@emlee5905]

That doesn't prove anything

[@MadScientistCinema]

Always a great interview. Enjoy both of your work very much. Cheers!

[@froggreen2067]

Scientology is not a church and auditing is not therapy.

[@Blackdeathteal]

After all the talk what a monster he is outside of the public eye its clearly both

[@karenlippard3688]

Thank goodness you and your wife are smart people

[@obieobrien5883]

Personally, I think Suri looks more like her mom

[@Kreepyb5]

Absolutely

[@Kreepyb5]

My opinion

[@jenniferbennett9602]

Good grief no protection from predators

[@karentranter7806]

Hi Andrew ♥ and Aaron ❤ Great show, its always a delight to listen to you both. Very interesting. Thank you both xxx 💝

[@v.j.l.4073]

Auditing is programming. Diabolical, but brilliant, to devise a method that makes people believe they are being deprogrammed from ages of lifetimes, and actually, effectively, programming people for the purposes of the organization.

[@anitahood196]

I imagine it involves getting them to snitch on their parents, what a great way to foster warped adults with trust and abandonment issues to start with. Also they would probably be questioned about sexual matters. That's got to impact later.

[@christinehenderson522]

I say 1, well done for getting out!! The strength and courage just showed how powerful are ❤❤❤

[@franny5059]

Back in the 80s my friends and I bought that book but it was a little too out there for me

[@Kreepyb5]

Right on!

[@katengemann]

It's also the grooming of children to have complete control over them which could lead to many abuses.

[@jenniferl6553]

You have a great sense of humor Andrew!

[@fionaburns6360]

Thank you for making my drive to work hilarious

[@anitagovan66]

Any kind of auditing of any child, I personally would consider child abuse! Full stop. the damage done is irreversible as it would put children under a traumatic experience. It's ridiculous that this is allowed to go on anywhere.

[@HillCountryBluebonnet88]

My mom experimented with many different types of churches, religions, etc.. I do remember her reading dianetics, but she never went any further than reading a couple of books. I’m glad she didn’t get involved in Scientology.

[@emmagudsell59]

Suri looks like she has her father's nose and eyes. I think she is. How sad 😔

[@fishoconnor108]

I'd never stop anyone believing what they want. But no one has the right to force their beliefs upon others and I don't know of any religion that commits child abuse. This auditing program needs to be criminalised.

[@scariella1314]

This was so interesting! Thanks for doing this. Love your videos.

[@diamonminer1803]

Nice to see A-aron in the house with Andrew Gold!

[@kormsby12]

You guys are both so fun to listen to! Absolutely LOVE both of your channels. ❤

[@donnariahi2975]

I would have left him because he is too controlling and half crazy, oh yeah & Scientology sucks for children.

[@TinyTC]

Scientology sucks for everyone.

[@Nursebakr]

Her escape was brilliant.

[@elisteixeira4760]

Auditis of adults with childrens alone is criminal and doesn't smell right to me.

[@YankeeinTexas812]

I’m hoping one day Katy and Suri can tell their story one day. I know she has an arrangement with him that she can’t speak of it , I’m sure it would be therapeutic for them..

[@TheRealBlkButterfly]

Harry would know because it was very well documented that Dianna met James hewitt years AFTER harrys birth. Harry looks exactly like Prince Phillip when he was in his 20's and 30's. Also you all seem to conveniently forget that the Spencers have red hair running through their side of the family. Harrys uncle, Dianna brother, is a red head...

[@geraldinetoltschin7776]

Oh my gosh, this is such scary information, So glad Katie got out as fast as she could.

[@JanelleEager-kr8tk]

Great interview

[@brightonbabe2139]

Nearly every successor to a king or queen had an heir and a spare.

[@kateg6029]

It should be considered a religion. Much respect for Katie for protecting Suri

[@tatianag.k.3226]

The Harry comparison ist hilarious 🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂

[@janemorgan9570]

That is most probably why Nicola Kidman left him as well

[@simontaylor342]

Some people have more than enough.

[@razorblade136]

When I think k about Tom & Katie, I keep seeing them standing together & Tom has his hand around the back of Katie's neck!! Controlling much?? They're not a church but a science fictiontax avoidance business!!

[@rickipacaci1338]

I don’t understand why Scientology is called a church. It’s so far NOT. What they do is destroy lives and auditing on a new toddler is despicable. Good for Katie. She got out in a he nick of time saving her daughter and herself ‼️

[@lindalawon9151]

Agree, not a church. Never been a place of worshiping God. Is an evil cult and leaders are like horned devils.

[@ssoozee]

Oh, and BTW, I’ve always thought that Tommy Davis donated the necessary DNA to help with Siri. She looks just like him.

[@Kreepyb5]

Hmmmmmm ?

[@erciliaflores]

Who is that?! Great gotta go google this...

[@maytheforcebewithyou4313]

Suri Not iPhone siri, fringe on top SURI. The other is an acronym - Serial Interactive Recognition Interface

[@darksoul479]

Great job Katie.

[@susannem3526]

Harry looks a lot like Charles and even more like Prince Philip. More than William who looks a lot more like a Spencer. ( his mothers side of the family) Thats very easy to check just look at photos. It’s kind of a cheap shot saying otherwise. Someone who IS someone else’s son is Ronan Farrow who is Woody Allen’s “son”. His real dad is Frank Sinatra. He is the spitting image of him. Just look at pictures.

[@tubingit1856]

I don't agree at all. Ronan Farrow is the image of his mom Mia Farrow.

[@susanbartone1347]

Just found. Good interview. Explained well. Thanks!

[@jobo8819]

This title too funny. Katie wisened up eventually to Toms and SCN BS.

[@lisaspikes4291]

I don’t think anyone should feel comfortable with having their small child locked in a room with an adult. That just shouldn’t be done.

[@gaiaiulia]

When you were talking about Cruise asking "did she say that" about Katie leaving him to ptotect Suri, it reminded me of when Tom Bradby brought up Megan's accusing the Royal Family of racism. At first Harry said a, flat no, and the when pushed, he, asked "did Megan use the word racism". Seems to be a tactic certain people caught out by an awkward question use to deflect, doesn't it?

[@dkay4436]

Why she left him? Cus toms crazy AF and scientology is crazy strange AF. If you guys watch the show handmaid, its almost like watching the real scientology. Abusive, controlling, no freedom, and terrifying. Crazy how the lead character is actually a scientologist herself. How odd is that

[@candicers7697]

Harry looks just like Charles only with red hair.

[@cathy_clarinet]

2 of my fav guys. Excellent interview as always

[@MrZola1234]

As an attorney, Cruise's reponses regarding Katie's motive for leaving him sound like someone heavily, maybe over coached to be noncooperative. He was forcing the attorney to ask the question very specifically. One can always say they do not know the motives for another person doing something. What that person has said is not aleays the real reason, so Technically, they are not lying. As opposed to asking if the person said xyz reason... then yes, they did.

[@lulubelle53]

always fun to watch you two!!

[@Turandot29]

I STRONGLY suspect that Katie left to protect her young daughter AND to protect herself from any further oppression by Scientology.

[@janeceeastwood8035]

The more I hear, the more amazed I am that ANYBODY would buy into the complete nonsense which is Scientology.

[@nicoleelizabeth6400]

Something broke Tom cruise. And I don't think it was just childhood truama. Something deeply deeply hurt him and shattered him.

[@tsquaredtim]

I can't believe Tom Cruise isn't pissed that Scientology/ David Misgivage broke up his marriage. I really believe he loved Nicole Kidman. He turned into a putz.

[@datingissuchadrag8461]

She definitely was concerned about Suri. I was audited because of Dianetics and afterwards they took me to the back where there was an org chart with L Ron Hubbard at the top literally like God . I was creeped out and felt like I was in danger. I never went back even though they kept calling. Terrible people. Katie was very lucky she had a hotshot attorney for a father.

[@sigrunwestrus68]

Henry the VIII was a ginger and a spare. Creepy! 😀

[@kimi7262]

Tom Cruise is a ridiculous narcissist! She is definitely paying attention to her intuition and probably knowledge from all that she had found out, and got the hell out! It's unbelievable that all this stuff is legal or allowed!

[@Kreepyb5]

I think you will get rhe clip! It's awesome

[@frankbalazs8816]

SHE KNEW HE WAS BATSHIT CRAZY WAY BEFORE THE RELATIONSHIP!! 😂

[@Nursebakr]

No meds. Silent birth. That shit hurts.

[@joannegrieco8523]

Good, I'm proud of you and Heather for not putting your children through that and I'm sorry you guys went through it

[@El_Ophelia]

With regards to Henry VIII, he actually was an extremely fit man, and while he had a large appetite (which was expected every night with dozens of exotic dishes, many of which don't even get eaten or only in small bits), he was quite an athletic person and in good condition. He had quite attractive. However, after a fall from a horse, he injured his leg and developed ulcers on his legs. This made him unable to be ride, hunt, walk. He kept eating the same as always, but because he stopped being able to be physical and exercise as much as usual, that was the point in time where he got fat, and turned into the portly figure we often see of him in paintings today.

[@killum109]

He was also, like Harry the second, "a spare".

[@kerrytraynor2642]

He probably had diabetes… and apparently the smell from his rotting legs would stop you in your tracks!

[@maggieryan6988]

I’d say it isn’t anywhere near counseling and having everything to do with fishing and control.

[@tracythomson7876]

I seriously wish, ALL the Entertainment interviewers, jurnos, etc, would not fall over that horrid, little man, and ban him completely! They are condoning a Cult, child abuse, abuse in general, this is NOT ok! If it was any other Cult, everyone would be in an uproar, but because Celebrities are involved, the Industry, just let's it slide! The whole world, pretty much lets it slide!

[@mlove.1376]

Thank you for realizing that Harry and children who are brought up in any cult with all the rules a d regulations are similar. It's called chronic trauma. Who knows what the affects that has on a child and what they turn into as an adukt. E G. Prince Andrew.