Space Engineers Economy ONLY (Episode 1) - Starting With NOTHING!

[@Brony22]

love the idea of this series, just started and love the idea of rent something you could do is if you get 20,000,000 credits you can permanently buy the room instead of needing to pay rent

[@AndrewmanGaming]

Haha I am the captain now (of this room)

[@Brony22]

@@AndrewmanGaming Hope you keep this series going for a while I really enjoyed watching it :)

[@barci0404]

Honestly, I don't really feel like "they" are fair with keeping the rent at 50k for the second place, since it is a serious downgrade from a glass roof suite with a balcony. Just thought I'd mention that. Also, I'm really interested in how this is going to turn out, hopefully, nothing catastrophic.

[@AndrewmanGaming]

You know, you have a good point! Maybe I am being ripped off with the 2nd place's rent. Dang trade station landlords...

[@Deconus]

Supply an demand, I guess. I mean, what you gonna do? Go to the nearest motel? Ask the space pirates if they have a recliner for you?

[@mementomori5580]

You forgot about the cargo fee. That's why it's so expensive!

[@Owlrrex]

"Some Magazines, I can use those in the bathroom" that was really clever, I love it. Very interested to see where this challenge will go!

[@MythosHB]

When you buy datapads, you only get coords from allies of that faction. So you need to buy from different factions to finally discover some from each.

[@manofwar556]

Ore is usually about 5 k away from a station, unless there are rocks. There is sometimes money in the beds. If you buy bottles from the stations they come empthy, so o2 gen is a good investment, only needs to be small block. The level of drill increases the rock size you knock off. Acc contracts do not expire I think so it is ok to take them if they look good and finish them laiter. Flying without dampeners is cheaper on hydro, takes a litle learning. you do not take damage if you crash in a buble.

[@Noruzenchi86]

o2 generation isn't needed since you can just buy hydrogen/oxygen from the store.

[@Aragath]

Very nice vid! You did pick a difficult way to play this kind of strategy by starting out on earthlike planet how ever. This type of gameplay is very easy to pull off if you start out on the moon Titan. Lower gravity means less fuel spend, open spaces means easy spotting of ores and rocks and the moon is so small that often you spawn within beacon range of 3 or so stations immediately. That said, this start definitely has a better view and perhaps more interesting challenge to it.

[@AndrewmanGaming]

I didnt think we would have so much trouble finding ores! But things should be easier next episode. If we cant find stuff at our new place, we can always go back to where we spotted ores at the other one.

[@dragonsflame3777]

when buying datapads from a station, only that faction's allies station locations will be sold to the player, hence why you're only getting those 3 factions

[@rebalice9899]

So, one thing I've noticed about stations, is that ore deposits rarely spawn within 5kms of a station - though you can still find rocks.

[@AndrewmanGaming]

Yeah, that's what I've noticed as well. That area is oddly barren of any ground ores, yet as we flew out of the area, we noticed tons of ore spots just outside the area. They must have limited ores around stations for balance or something.

[@aesieaiyahcloe]

I just started playing and was wondering why I haven't seen the 'gray spots'. I'm 3km away from a station. 😅

[@SAIC-0]

This looks like it will be a good and interesting short-series

[@AndrewmanGaming]

I think so too :D

[@philfedorowick]

(14 months later...)

[@itzibitzie8724]

You should make a small travel craft with hydrogen for space to atmo, its only ability being travel and minimal storage no weapons, no welding, and no grinding. But its trade off is its blinding speed

[@TheNalewajek]

I have only started to watch this, but it is so much fun, I love your roleplaying, the receptionist made me laugh. Can't wait to see more!

[@JeffreyBlakeney]

Ore deposit colours are different depending on the biome type you are in. In areas with dark green grass, the patches are blotches of black spots but in areas with the light brown grass, the patches are white spots. Also, if you see an acquisition contract that you know you will be able to do at some point, just accept it as there is no time limit for completing them.

[@Floralys2142]

Great idea, I love the series so far. It would probably also be possible to play completely without building and buy the vehicles and ships (with refineries) from dealers.

[@Rowgue51]

It's such a shame that SE never progressed into being a fully fleshed out gaming experience. It had so much amazing potential with the core systems and game mechanics they created. It's still fun to jump into it now and then just to mess around and see what kind of new ship or base design you can come up with. But it's sad that there isn't really any point to keep playing once you've built your great new design other than an artificial narrative or concept that you've created in your own mind.

[@fishbotsid9771]

i believe the next update is going to address that issue. keen is trying to flesh out the pve in the next update from what i have gathered.

[@Dr.Clockworks]

I can't wait to see more of this series! It's such a cool challenge for SE!

[@fangmindalas6040]

One thing to note is that each faction has allied factions that if in creative mode, you can change your reputation with a faction and all it's allies, which typically means they only sell data pads with those allies gps markers.

[@AndrewmanGaming]

Ohh, that's not great. I really want to find the other stations. Do you know if I would get different data pads if I went to one of my current faction's allied factions or are they all in an alliance together?

[@fangmindalas6040]

@@AndrewmanGaming I believe they have their separate faction alliance list, so If they sell data pads, the might have other factions available. Plus it seems the far off ones are meant to take you out of the "inner ring" and you might be able to find some factions that way also.

[@femboy_wettuce4391]

Quick tip, earthlike ore deposits are light spots not dark lmao, and on green grass it's dark spots

[@Valderg]

Love your SE content, thank you for working so hard for our entertainment!

[@christopherpoet458]

Not sure if it is even functional, but this would be a neet idea for a Server or something where traditional progression is fully locked behind the economy system. The prices of items would need to be balanced though and a few block additions could add functions such as property claim, sub properties, rent charges, etc. Stations would use materials players brought in to produce components to be sold back to players to construct ships, rovers, etc. Another idea that came in my mind is upgradable bases via holograms of templates pre-made. Paid for by credits before you could construct the building.

[@WerrinLotsuvhats]

awesome new series. this seems like a fun scenario. looking forward to more episodes

[@dham99]

i wish more servers had this type of concept...forcing immersion and actual difficulty in game-play. I do this myself when I'm playing a lot of times, where i can only build my own small vehicle, but only do contracts and buy bigger ships and vehicles which i am allowed to modify in my garage. ive had a concept like this where a faction could be in charge of blueprints, licenses, etc of what different factions/players can actually play. it doable..but a lot of work would be required for a server admin to force on all players. And a lot of players just want to basically play like creative mode style, huge inventories, easy builds, massive amounts of weapons upgrades that are way OPd, etc

[@geertcrommentuijn5210]

Ik wilde love tot try this Challenge myself aswel! Iets soo refreshing to see the Economy being used like that!

[@maximumfire2990]

ive watched wellington6012 start an almost identical play through last week, more limits slow start but he make good progress, might be worth a watch

[@ViniciusNegrao_]

Funny, I just did a playthrough like this. I created a new station on the moon that had rentable rooms. I'd pay rent in order to get energy, heal and order food. The worst part was having to buy food, since I could not build blocks to produce it. I did the search contracts until I could afford a small survival ship and started building from that. Another thing to call this is "rags to riches"

[@Texasplit]

Here’s a tip. You can hold down F to pick up things, you don’t actually have to spam it

[@sora_scorcher7921]

You should add a mod that makes it so that the only way to get a refinery is to already have a refinery. That way you can't just build a refinery by finding the materials and/or scavenging for them.

[@truejoshi8569]

This seems like a nice experiment, might try it myself later

[@micheallinne3159]

If anyone's interested in vanilla economy only where the only thing you mine is ice, distant moons, Europa drop pod is the perfect start because you can grind down nonessentials and put a second hydrogen thruster on your drop pod as well as a remote control and a gyroscope allowing you to get to all the stations which are much nearer by than on any other planet. Actually manages to make it viable.

[@localdeer1171]

Fun fact: metal doesn’t smell anything, however what we associate with “metallic smell” is a chemical called 1-octen-3-one or C8H14O. We’re smelling our own odorant. If I recall correctly, think blood has a similar smell

[@cmqptkloacjko]

I sort of tried a similar thing on Titan but doesn’t really count because I started with a Drop Pod. I didn’t feel like mining so I just converted the drop pod into a floating brick and went to the station on the data pad. After that I did a lot of search contracts and at some point I decided to settle down, build a fast jet and take on even more contracts. Now I snipe down Reavers from the sky and try to sell their parts. Mostly iron from the… wreckage scrap

[@sora_scorcher7921]

I would love to see a community server of this concept. Something like the demon black company anime and shipbreaker. Like the admins are the higher-ups and they have access to the refineries and all the machines. Where the workers (community members and/or subscribers) can only mine, gather ore, sell, build vehicles, rent lodgings, build houses, etc. And if the workers built their own refinery and they get caught. They could go to prison for having unlicensed refinery. And to keep the admins from doing whatever they want they have to get warrants. That way they can't just pop right into a player's base.

[@nathanharrison2]

would be an interesting concept.

[@rylix_]

I've been searching and waiting for this SE survival concept thank you for providing the vids it man!

[@MarkusRomtaah3061]

Dude had such a powerful and energetic intro that it killed off my internet for an hour or so

[@Thoron_of_Neto]

As someone who loves the idea of a Space Engineers economy, I'm actually going to be watching this series pretty closely lol Edit: this episode has also convinced me to download the unlimited speed mod lol

[@MoejoTheGreat]

Lots of ore around that ice lake at the edge of the desert. I've built there a couple times.

[@TinyQueenDancer]

Well this ought to be interesting. Nothing like making a challenge for yourself

[@andnor]

I love the idea of this. A "legal and honorable" way to make cash in SE. Personally doing a "economy oriented" playthrough where i hunt pirates, grind down their ships and if there are need for certain materials or parts, i refine the scraps of the pirates ships. (Coincidentally, i earned enough to build my pirate hunting ship in such a way that the "belly" opens up and inside there are grinders... just noms them up.

[@AndrewmanGaming]

I love that ship concept! It's all about the scrap :D

[@burgesskj]

Brilliant idea! Well executed.

[@bechirbenothman5453]

I'd say, since you are paying for the room, you should get access to the inventories of whatever is inside the room, as long as you pay for the night. Just change ownership of those with admin rights. Other than that, I appreciate the series you make on SE. Keep up the great work!

[@silithis9430]

i really like the idea of that, and i am looking forward on how this will play out!

[@silithis9430]

maybe more restricitions like beeing able to build a small ship by yourself: 2.000.000 SC and a big ship: 20.000.000 -> only buyable at a builder station and this would make it more intersting in my opinion

[@silithis9430]

and you would have to buy a small ship for the beginning maybe because of that

[@AndrewmanGaming]

That's not a bad idea. I did consider restricting ship building at the start, but I couldnt find a reasonable way to do it since there is no guarantee that I find a builder station on-planet.

[@silithis9430]

@@AndrewmanGaming oh yeah, thats true, maybe If you cant find one until Episode 3/4 or so then you can buy the small one at another Station ? Idk

[@kf7ags]

I've done this challenge before. I like to start on the moon and fly around doing search contracts. Helps to do them at night. Only accept the ones from stations on the surface. It's also easier to travel around to the different stations. I did have drops turned on though and then I was eventually able to pirate a ship that earned me a lot of money. My rules though is that you could do everything in the base game except for refine ore. I was never allowed to refine ore.

[@kf7ags]

Also, don't buy a hydrogen bottle, you won't be able to fill it from your suit. They can only be filled from a tank or a generator.

[@corporalturner]

You can find space credits [SC] in the beds. sometimes more then 9,000 SC.

[@lordaddam9170]

This madlad is actually doing this!

[@raydin9893]

PLEASE no ship building at all only ships you buy can be used with the acceptation of them being modded with refiners and guns if need, there are s many nice ships you can just buy would be nice to see them in use, great video keep it up

[@AndrewmanGaming]

Good point, maybe we'll make this a new rule. It would definitely give the builder stations more use.

[@JustanOlGuy]

Had this game for years need to get back into it...

[@TheBeemanblake]

I'm now 100% sold on this game. Been watching it progress for a while. Time to build a $5k pc to play it crispy

[@AndrewmanGaming]

Haha it's definitely a fun one! I was gonna say 5k might be overkill but you never know with these gpu prices

[@Eclipsed_Archon]

this inspired me to do a solo run and try to actually make use of economy which I've never done but the only trader on the planet was only selling ships and 50km away from me :D life is pain

[@frogstar1fighter]

great idea! the economy system is totally underused (and not super well implemented) in the game... I think you should have allowed yourself the luxury of a starter pod or a Mini Merchant

[@AndrewmanGaming]

Yeah, SE economy could definitely do with a touch up. I would love for there to be proper trade cities with multiple trade station types in one area. Now as for the drop pod thing, this is actually not the first time I've recorded this mini series. The first time I did it, I kept unknown signals on and just the small amount of materials those gave me made the series much less economy focused. It pretty much became just normal SE play with an emphasis on scavenging for stuff.

[@R3LOADlikesgames]

This is a fun challenge.

[@jcataclisma]

Hah! That was unexpected! Really funny idea!

[@ancapftw9113]

Awesome idea for a series.

[@zobayer1]

Always check the beds, there are usually a lot of credits in bed storage.

[@nathanharrison2]

rarely get past 1k credits, but you can get lucky and get 20k if its the right room. usually only in the CEO room of the trader station

[@UtopssAKAPJ]

Check the beds in the 2nd station going to be an interesting series

[@AndrewmanGaming]

Thanks for the reminder! Could be some free credits :D

[@e_norrby]

this sounds fun man!!

[@dreadisdarkore2703]

only suggestion i have is to grab the good contracts the moment you see them so they dont get reset on you

[@RickyDigits505]

Lol needs rover for search contracts...proceeds to jetpack 70km+ to a new station.

[@AndrewmanGaming]

Lmaoo that's a good point. Maybe we should take a look at a few of those contracts XD

[@marcus757fugaming7]

I will support any space engineers KZbin small or big

[@jacksullivan1937]

very fun to watch thank you

[@ewew6261]

hyped for new playthrough

[@KevinNguyen1]

Basically you almost start like in minecraft.

[@AndrewmanGaming]

Yeah kind of! Except you can't chop trees, and ores aren't really usable for crafting.

[@Buster7895_]

LOVE your vids!

[@LordGadwin]

they patched out seeing ores from the top, they changed that some time ago. you can randomly find large asteroids that landed that look like large rocks.

[@Miiidge]

“We have double beds so” Oh so if some one comes over right? “We can choose which one we want.” Lmao guess we have different mindsets

[@Samantha_was_here_first]

Unless Keen has changed it, safe zone turns the damage off. Means no need to slow down. Slam that face against metal and feel no pain.

[@AndrewmanGaming]

Good point! We can be totally reckless with our flying when returning to the station :D

[@bloodstormwolf9512]

You may want to turn off dampeners when gliding, so it doesn't automatically brake

[@JarutheDamaja]

If you turn off the dampeners or the jetpack it has the same result:) turning off the jetpack is a bit safer though in my experience.

[@bloodstormwolf9512]

@@JarutheDamaja I just meant, it would help not waste fuel if he doesn't immediately have his hand on the controls when he turns it on

[@AndrewmanGaming]

I usually just turn off the jetpack as a whole. Dampeners would work too, but I have had situations in the past where I've accidentally turned both off, and when I go to land, only one turns on and I plummet before I can figure out what's going on XD

[@joaco545]

Lets see how this will go

[@PixelMarker]

*holding a cup of coffee* hmm intresting

[@zylechaos906]

as i understand there are 3 groups of factions each having 3 types of shops then some singular ones that connect some of them. you need to watch the rep for discounts and id you reach a negative with any a bouny contract can be made to kill you as to enthuse pvp. if that helps

[@goodtown3258]

do the sellers actually sell shis or just ship components? this is an interesting mechanic. it would defiantly make vanilla economy ship building very interesting. immagine buying a ship chassis and individual modles you slap on it. like 3 levels of ship command model- cockpit block, 2 seater cabin, 3 seat civilian bridge, 5 seat combat bridge with heavy armor. armos vs primary and alternate thruster systems. refinery, production, or combat mission modules. infact... I might actually try something like that. run a custom modular ship yard. On to the drawing board!

[@AndrewmanGaming]

Builder stations do actually sell ships! Ones on planet will sell rovers and atmospheric stuff while space stations sell ion ships. Both sell all kinds of ships ranging from small miners to large frigates.

[@prometheus8010]

Next mini series should have bounties, small towns of these stations, and you start out on a basic rover and have to work up to buying a ship, The Mandalorian: Space Engineers edition

[@AndrewmanGaming]

I like your thinking! A small town of stations like this would make things very interesting.

[@goodtown3258]

this is very interesting. ive used the economy stuff a lot. but I spam and abuse spawn pods

[@AndrewmanGaming]

Haha we've all been there. My friends and I used to spawn those massive earth landers they had awhile back over and over whenever we ran low on materials.

[@nathanharrison2]

@@AndrewmanGaming "low orbit drop, pilot missed the launch window. guess its ours now"

[@AssassinAgent]

I find that 300m/s is a high enough cap, unlimited speed isn't needed.

[@sebione3576]

This is a great idea 🙂

[@YoStu242]

My economy only survival in vanilla seemed to fall short and I find myself in hopeless situation. I started without a pod and found mining station, shop doesn't have that good offerings and I can't find girders anywhere to build a windmill. And base is useless without power so I can't build anything. Another nearest station is 100km away and max I can fly without hydrogen bottle is about 10km. Disabling dampeners doesn't seem to save that much fuel. Don't like the idea of "cheating" with speed mods either. I liked Empyrion because player carries all the stuff needed to start building and not be depended of landing pod/survival kit or stations like in SE.

[@yeetus9191]

"if it's a *_miner_* , we're in luck." somebody clip that

[@captain61games49]

This is cool

[@kgp227]

Would you consider an underground survival series with a lot of hostile AI and an apocalyptic surface world? The goal would be to escape the planet by any means necessary.

[@AndrewmanGaming]

Ooo that would be very interesting! I'll write it down on the list of potential mini series' to try after this one :D

[@Thoron_of_Neto]

I've been thinking of doing exactly this, starting on a planet with an "apocalypse timer" where I have to get underground and sheltered within say a day, then start dropping asteroids and see how long I could survive. I think the creation of the "steam powered" mod would be necessary

[@Dutch_Chucky]

I kinda got forced doing this in multiplayer after my landing pod totally fkd up the landing... I instantly lost my h2 gen and survival kit was dangerously damaged so almost lost that too

[@entityunknown2]

Im gona do this but i will loot the containers in the stations for tools

[@lordsherifftakari4127]

Aerodynamics and Plane Parts will make life interesting. improved tools speed what you are doing up in order to keep a Contract viable, you need to accept it. otherwise they will time out and recycle

[@AndrewmanGaming]

I know that contracts time out, but I dont want to just accept them on the off chance that I find the correct ores. That would lead to lots of failed contracts.

[@mrJMD]

@@AndrewmanGaming - Depends on the contract, not all have time limits. In particular acquisition contracts do not time out ever.

[@AndrewmanGaming]

@@mrJMD Oh really? So I should probably be taking any acquisition mission I see that I could reasonably complete then

[@mrJMD]

@@AndrewmanGaming - yeah I've been doing the same thing on Titan and while I can't complete them yet, I'm scooping up all the good acquisition contracts, particularly steel plates, easier ingots, definitely magnesium, got a 22million contract for thrust components. Heh, when I can actually start mining and refining I'll be rolling it it.

[@JesAndersen]

If you want not to have tips do not read further in this comment ---------------------- * Every station of the same faction has the same deals/contracts * You can know in advance if they are miner, trader or builder by the last two letters in the faction: * MN, DC, MG, PR, DR, EX, SR -> Miners * CO, SH, TC, AL, TR, SL, DW, HS, MC, TK, DE, CM, CT -> Trader * EG, SB, HI, CG, IN, WE, MA, MK, IV, AT, CS -> Builder

[@nou5440]

i dont think ores spawn near trade stations cause i never seem to see them for a few km around them

[@shorty8528]

Anyone else notice how he Hit the Ground at over 100 m/s and didnt take Damage? 11:20

[@fishbotsid9771]

you just bounce off the ground if you hit it below a certain angle. you can just skip around like a bunny on flat ground.

[@dstyd]

For distance I turn the dampeners off.

[@russelllogan6630]

I been hanging out for someone to stream this sort of start. I prefer these starts in my own games. However I'm curious as to how you are going to progress without components. I change the loot box of wolves and also their spawn frequency to give me what I want eg battery components. The trade off is you have to pick up more ammo magazines from the trading station armories. Ideally you wanted the station that provides components, but that is down to RNG. If there is a way to spam the type of trading station that spawns I'd like to hear it.

[@AndrewmanGaming]

As far as I know, you have to just kinda fly from station to station hoping you get to the right one. There is definitely a way to atleast move them via the game files. We did it in our other survival series because the stations were millions of km away. So if you wanted to, you could manually position these stations, and in fact, someone could make a scenario that is ideal for this sort of start by placing all 3 station types near each other in a sort of "HUB" of trade.

[@ZaphireDfox]

Don't forget to check the mattresses for loose change.

[@Stoney3K]

So are you using some kind of mod setup for this kind of economy only gameplay? And what is your rule for when you die? Because there is no survival kit where you can respawn.

[@Seabee_133]

They could at least sell bicycles for you to use.

[@truckboi8020]

22:08…. no way…. they even have space prodtitudes

[@brunomorenomata7978]

lol he do be running at 30kmph

[@guillermoelnino]

It's a shame space engineers really has no endgame and I don't see any plans for one.

[@divinehero]

Hello. There is no ore within a radius of 5-6 km from the station. (G.Translate)

[@AndrewmanGaming]

Thanks for the tip! That explains why I had no luck finding any.

[@andrewfraser7818]

is landfalling ships a way to get the materials? by landfall i mean hijacking a ship from orbit and pumiting it into the ground to grind down whats not sestroyed.

[@mrJMD]

You can do that on moons, though yesterday a Mining Transport crashed into Titan near my base and there was nearly nothing left at all. Perhaps the new explosive block destruction is going to annihilate wrecks leaving very little to be salvaged except for scrap metal.

[@josephkasmarcik2895]

I would complain paying 50000 and not evening unlocking the closet for your use, unacceptable!

[@AndrewmanGaming]

You're absolutely right! I should have requested, nay, demanded the key to that locker! Who knows what they could be hiding in there!

[@dylanmonstrum1538]

Can we get an updated series? Pllleeeaaassseee?

[@NowThatsRadio]

Turn off inertial dampeners during your flights

[@OfficialUSKRprogram]

LET'S GOOOOOOO

[@mikewhitaker2880]

would be interesting to have an economy based mod that replaced progression, ie buy blueprints to gain access/knowledge for different items like refineries and such... no i can't make that mod, but if any modders see this comment, well, go ham with it...

[@PhoenixBlade]

I like the idea but... I don't like some of the restriction/role play. Interesting to watch though.

[@vinced.7713]

Hi Andrew.....what speed mod are you using? TIA!