Why The 2008 Boston Celtics Were Not Able To Repeat

[@GothPaoki]

If you look at Doc Rivers nba career as a whole it becomes very clear why this team underachieved. There's a reason teams have coaches.

[@JakeStevyson]

he is a dice tbh

[@CarlSong]

The only thing that doesn't make sense is how he was able to milk 15 more years of coaching career out of that championship.

[@CrazyxEnigma]

@@CarlSong Doc Rivers knows people and is liked by them. He's been involved in the NBA for a long time like 30+ years going back to when he was a player himself that's a lot of time to forge connections.

[@kevinjohnson4498]

@@CarlSong He is a good coach, just not a great one. He is great at coaching rebuilding teams and getting the most out of average to bad rosters, that early Magic team and the post CP3/Blake pre Kawhi/PG Clippers are great examples. But when it comes to coaching a 7 game series vs another really good team, his flaws come out and his teams underachieve.

[@bobharley1]

@@CarlSong Losing to the Lakers and then the heat were blamed on the aging roster not being able to compete with the Heat whose big 3 were in their primes while they were in their late 30s. Lob city was filled with injuries and even after losing to the Rockets CP3 was dealing with hamstring issues. The bubble finally convinced the Clippers to move on but for some reason the Sixers wanted him.

[@maroon9273]

Plus, the team was aging rapidly after KG injury and signing too many old players until paul and kg left.

[@TeRraAwTisM]

No

[@JustinTYT]

@@TeRraAwTisMno

[@TeRraAwTisM]

@@JustinTYT yes u bum cuk , yes

[@shaftlamer]

Wtf are u talking about? The team was done at the point kg left.

[@maroon9273]

@@shaftlamer the truth hurts doesn't it?

[@CrazyxEnigma]

The biggest reason was KG's injury. I don't think it's controversial to say that though he deferred to Pierce he was their best player. There's other factors like a rapidly aging cast and Doc Rivers holding them back.

[@JoPe-d7n]

100%. He was the DPOY and a MVP candidate before the injury, and "only" all-star level player after. That's a huge difference if you're trying to win a title.

[@jlui21]

-- Agree. 1) KG's age/injury 2) Doc being only a regular season coach. Maybe if he could make adjustments, maybe they win a 2nd title. Who knows...except that he blew THREE 3-1 leads.

[@johnpaulgonzalez9016]

@@JoPe-d7n He would've shut down Dwight hands down. Perkins may have done an awesome job but he doesn't have Garnett's defensive mind. Also his back up? Mikki Moore? Seriously?

[@tj5180]

Health was a big factor even in 2011 and 2012.

[@bobharley1]

The Celtics knew of his knee issues but chose not to act. Then he had to sit out the rest of 09 with bone spurs. Had they acted quicker he wouldnt have been outmatched by Pau in the 2010 finals despite Docs coaching.

[@mattypaul87]

This Boston superteam definitely had a short expiry date and the cracks did show during those playoff series they went 7 games for. Still, they pushed my Lakers to a grueling 7 game finals series. That game 7 alone was an epic nailbiter.

[@leonardoyi3183]

celtics were lucky bynum was injured during that both finals...with a fully healthy bynum its probably a 5 games series in 2010. 6 in the worst case scenario..

[@timcal2136]

@@leonardoyi3183less lucky than the Lakers were because of the KG injury? Please

[@leonardoyi3183]

@@timcal2136 KG injury was one year. Bynum injury was 3 years...yet the lakers aren't crying like celtics fans...

[@Grind2Excellence]

@@leonardoyi3183Bynum wasn’t even good until 2012… plus KG & even Perkins we’re better

[@leonardoyi3183]

@@Grind2Excellence thats not true that bynum wasn't good until 2012. As i said, he was a top 5 center in 2007, and in 2010, he was probably top 3 center in the league.

[@kareemabdulwahhab6919]

It’s because Paul Pearce was drafted in 99, Ray Allen drafted in 96, and Kevin Garnett was drafted in 1995. Those dudes were old. Remember, they went life and death with Atlanta if I remember correctly, taking seven games to beat them. While they had great Talent, they were at their prime end. Getting Rajon Rondo, was the best thing that they could ever have because it allowed for the team to extend their greatness just enough.

[@CrazyxEnigma]

That Hawks team shouldn't have taken 7 games for them to beat. Everyone was still in their prime in 08, they dominated the conference and were the runaway favorites to win the title going into the season. It'd have been hilarious if that Celtics team got upset in the first round because of Doc Rivers being a terrible coach.

[@805-Loc]

Pierce was drafted 98

[@underpressure07140]

There were many championship teams which had an older core group than that Celtics big 3, 98 Bulls and 14 Spurs came to mind. Simply put, they just were not good enough and Paul Pierce was overrated

[@CrazyxEnigma]

@@underpressure07140 Agreed on Pierce being overrated he was never on the same level as the superstars of the league, KG was the better player but deferred to him since he was joining his team. I'd even say Allen was better at his peak than Pierce was. Draymond said it best he isn't Kobe, they don't love him like that.

[@underpressure07140]

@@CrazyxEnigma his individual accolades speak for themselves, no all-NBA 1st team selection and only made 1 all-NBA 2nd team. He's probably not even a top 10 SF of all time

[@devinekam6630]

Second crazy how this Celtics team was one of my favorites teams to play with from 08-12 never will forget Paul peirce slow jumpshot on 2k10-11

[@Johnny-kv7mh]

Tripping. They LITERALLY almost won a 2nd ring together. Game 7 Finals loss by only 4pts to a good Lakers squad 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@VeryRestarted]

4 all stars vs 2?

[@kl2389]

They have the best chance to repeat in 2009. The Celtics played great during the 2008-2009 season before Garnett's knee injury.

[@leonardoyi3183]

best chance to repeat? even thought the lakers lost in 2008, lakers were favorites to win in 2008...

[@bobbyjohnson9409]

@@leonardoyi3183ummm no they weren’t

[@leonardoyi3183]

@@bobbyjohnson9409 lakers were favorites, all season long. Preseason odds were lakers +350, equal with the celtics in +350, but lakers had a win over/under of 54.5 vs the 53.5 of the celtics... Most experts predicted that the return of bynum would make that lakers team a champion...

[@evilkid31able]

Celtics were playing even better in 09 before the KG injury

[@104copyTHAT]

@@leonardoyi3183I don’t remember them being favorites until the Gasol trade but I could be wrong.

[@pouncingpantherpucks2779]

This video could've been summed up into two words.... DOC RIVERS!!!😂 Nah but in all seriousness, great video man. You're such a great content creator.

[@anjr9915]

The biggest reason why is because of KG's injury plain and simple, great video. It also shouldn't matter whether you sweep or not, winning the series is ultimately the end result. Danny Ainge also made some horrible trades after 2010.

[@hoopsfan3437]

yeah ainge's roster moves were subpar at best after 2010. He never got them adequate depth at the wing to back up pierce and allen who were getting older.

[@Grind2Excellence]

@@hoopsfan3437everybody was shocked he traded Perkins… it ruined team chemistry… and then he tried to trade Ray Allen who was playing the most consistent for OJ mayo … even then tried to ship rondo as well… ainge was not only disloyal but also stupid 😂

[@LuisDiaz-dh7ly]

At 9.53 and forward you can catch a rare defensive hustle by Knicks Carmelo. Strange. Gave me chills.

[@younglove3362]

When KG left Minnesota and teamed up with Pierce and Allen, my reaction was "FINALLY!"

[@nocturne311]

For those who didn't see Posey in Boston, he was a lot like Battier was for Miami in that he was a 3/4 3&D tweener with no ego who allowed the Celtics to play small ball with KG at the 5. We wouldn't see that again until the Celtics got Jeff Green in 2011, and even then, it never fully materialized because Green missed all of 2012 (he might have swung the ECF against Miami) and by the time he returned in 2013, Ray Allen was gone and Pierce and Garnett were really starting to show their age. I think had Garnett not hurt his knee in 2009, the Celtics probably three-peat and maybe they even beat the Thunder in 2012 as well with a healthy Green and Bradley swinging the Miami series.

[@paxtonpickett3456]

I can't believe the disrespect you're giving Rondo. He moved the ball very well and he was the only reason they made it to the finals in 2010. Oh, and it's cute that you didn't mention it in 2011 The only reason the heat was able to go to the next round was because of dirty d. Wade

[@nocturne311]

@@paxtonpickett3456 I have been watching the Celtics since 1986 so don't try to educate me, please. Rondo was great and I'm sorry that I offended you by not mentioning him. However, he was not the only reason Boston made the Finals in 2010 - Pierce was the best player in the 1st round against Miami, Rondo and Garnett both played very well against Cleveland and Pierce and Rondo carried Boston through the Orlando series. Rondo was Boston's best player in the Finals, but Garnett played well and Glen Davis and Nate Robinson were as responsible as anyone for that game four victory. As far as 2011 goes, I was AT the game you're referring to (game three of the ECSF) and yes, Wade made a dirty play that took Rondo out. Regardless, I don't think Boston was beating Miami that year because they traded Perkins, Shaq got hurt and Green didn't mesh with the squad until 2013. Rondo getting hurt in 2013 was probably the difference between a first round exit and a second round exit. I don't think Boston would have been able to defeat Indiana without Allen and with Pierce and Garnett, as I said, both showing their age finally. Chill out, junior.

[@paxtonpickett3456]

@@nocturne311 If they could have gotten passed Rondo without a dirty play then why did they have one? Not to mention in this video you didn't mention his I think it was 44 points against Miami which was only second to Michael Jordan on the Miami heat floor which is pretty spectacular. Rondo definitely would have won finals MVP if they had one in 2010. Unless I miss remembering one person that a lot of people think is the greatest player of all time was the player that was guarding Rondo in 2008 and 2010 which says enough

[@paxtonpickett3456]

@@nocturne311 I bet you the kind of person that thinks that the Celtics are doing great right now with their one finals appearance that they lost and there four conference finals that they lost

[@nocturne311]

@@paxtonpickett3456 Anyone who thinks that Kobe is the GOAT is uninformed or biased. He's not even top five, objectively speaking. Rondo's 44 point performance happened in game two of the 2012 ECF and Boston lost. When MJ dropped 56 in 1992, the Bulls won. Also, Kobe was guarding Ray Allen in 2008 and guarded Rondo at times, but not consistently, in the 2010 Finals. Lol. You're all over the place. You sound like a nut. Yeah, I do think Boston is doing great. They have already done all that and their two best players are 26 and 25, respectively. They're the odds on favorites barring a Porzingis injury to win it all this year. Get it together.

[@AirRusher1992]

Quite frankly, another reason why the Celtics besides KG's injury in 2009 is the Miami Heat Big which is their main Kryptonite losing to them in the Playoffs for 2 years in a row. Not to mention, most of the members of this team saw their reputation change mainly Paul Pierce who would talk smack consistently and Doc Rivers who would keep getting coaching gigs before returning to broadcasting recently for ESPN and ABC teaming up with Mike Breen and Doris Burke.

[@anjr9915]

The heat would get the better of the Celtics due to the big three being out of their prime and aging, Rondo was the only young star, plus Ainge made some bad trades which ruined our depth

[@dii1314]

@@anjr9915 people forget the Celtics started the 2010-11 season looking great and everything went down when Ainge went cheap and traded Perkins for Krstic and Green. The whole team started looking awful after that trade

[@anjr9915]

@@dii1314 exactly he single handed ruined that remaining season

[@jordane3603]

would love to see this kind of video but for the '83 76ers and any of the early 2000s Spurs champion teams

[@blackman34]

KG had surgery in 09 after we were knocked out. 2011. The Celtics dominated Miami in the regular season but we traded Perkins in the trade deadline.

[@hoopsfan3437]

yeah i feel like people forget how good they were playing that season before the perkins trade. I think they were mentally shook the rest of that season into the playoffs.

[@carloconopio6513]

I think because of injury and aging. There first win ray allen is 32 and kg and piere 31. We know most nba players primes without severe injury only last at age of 32 to 34.

[@shaunbryantjr2355]

Even if they didn't trade Perkins,they weren't gonna beat Miami.

[@keepitprivate91]

The Lakers were missing Bynum in the 08 finals, people forget he was an All Star and scored very easily in the paint, blocked shots and rebounds

[@CrazyxEnigma]

Bynum being hurt definitely made an impact but he wasn't an All Star until the 11-12 season. I'm sure Ariza wasn't quite 100% either he missed the majority of the season and came back during the WCF.

[@TeRraAwTisM]

​@@CrazyxEnigmayou forgetting KG sprained his knee his first season in Boston and never had the same athleticism , he started shooting threes and mid ranges because he couldn't post up . And he was better than both them bums combined LA fans always need an excuse

[@CrazyxEnigma]

@@TeRraAwTisM K and Kobe was injured the entire run from 08-10. You Celtics fans always bring up Perkins so we can do this all day if you like.

[@JayJay-xy5ch]

​@@TeRraAwTisMcan't reply anymore?

[@TeRraAwTisM]

@@JayJay-xy5ch making $34.50 per hour in the union got a life , you should try it

[@Supreme36074]

They were so good they won. DESPITE Doc that first year … KG & his injury stopped them from repeating . Not resigning James Posey hurt too.

[@knodeway1826]

They were so good but went 7 vs Lebron by himself and the hawks?

[@suiken3149]

Not to mention they lost a lot of depth. Powe, Posey and Tony Allen were great bench unit.

[@suiken3149]

@@knodeway1826 By himself, lol. Spoken like a true bronsexual. That 45 win Cavs were pretty formidable defensive team.

[@rapgodreloaded9259]

Also the loss of Tony Allen signing to Memphis hurts.

[@cottonmather8146]

@@knodeway1826 And then blew out the Lakers in 6 in the finals. They struggled early on because they weren't trusting the ball to Rondo to run the offense

[@Huyytfbjud]

People seem to forget this team was old as hell

[@razkable]

The 2012 team was older but if Jeff and Avery were healthy they beat the beat

[@antonhank8544]

They where in they mid 30s

[@djsalteenuts]

That wasn’t the issue bcuz they still made it to the finals several years back to back

[@JonathanCute-e4f]

Huh probably because they actually win a ring 😂

[@marioaustin9312]

Had they come together three to five years earlier, they'd be a dynasty

[@harinderrana9735]

They were not beating the Spurs.

[@Mike1122.]

That’s l8ke saying if Pau, played with Kobe earlier and if Bynum who was a rising star had not gotten hurt the lakers would have been a dynasty. Oh, I forgot they were a dynasty 2000-2001-2002-2008-2009-2010.

[@kylegross1081]

They barely got by a Detroit team playing with an injured Billups and Hamilton. They would not have gotten past them in the early to mid 2000s

[@Grind2Excellence]

Even in 2008 if KG was healthy they would’ve 3peated

[@EliteLilTJ]

@@Mike1122.what did you accomplish with this comment?

[@leftenantthunder]

They were already old when they teamed up and got beaten by a younger better big 3. Still very impressive how good they were at their age in 2012 though. They could have been a 1 and done but were a force in the east for a good 4-5 years

[@hoopsfan3437]

exactly. It's not like they won the title and then completely fell off the map right after. Injuries ultimately held them back

[@4392amtrak]

Paul and KG weren't that old yet. Paul just turned 30 and KG was 31 that year.

[@carloconopio6513]

@@4392amtrakmost nba players prime max at age of 32to34.. few players get to 35 and above prime.

[@Grind2Excellence]

@@4392amtrakKG was a shell of himself after his knee injury… barely could dunk or turn anymore … Pierce body type was never meant to last … like melo , dirk, luka those guys athleticism are already low so age hits harder

[@Xiaolongbaokid16]

In 2008, Garnett started declining and became more injury prone. They won the chip that season, but that wasn’t the prime KG we saw in 2004. Next season, the beef between Rondo and Ray Allen happened, KG was injured, Paul Pierce was inconsistent… then it all crumbled. It was Kobe and Pau’s peak too, those were their years. Orlando has a monster in Dwight Howard, they became the monster in the East before Lebron finally lefft Cleveland and joined the Miami Heat.

[@demonte5305]

Congrats on 500k Andy!

[@johnpaulgonzalez9016]

Even with all the scrutiny and BS (from Pierce talking his way to becoming an All time player), the 08 big three in my opinion is the best big 3 ever. All 3 of them never stepped on the other one's lane. KG manning the paint, Ray just bombing 3s and moving without the ball, while Pierce handles the mid to paint, handling the scoring. Comparing it to the Heatles where they all had to adjust to bron, or the Brooklyn's Dribble brothers who never meshed and just wanted to play who's the better scorer. Based on chemistry alone, I think the warriors with KD, Steph, and Klay, are the closest but I'll give more credit to Steve Kerr and his perimeter centered offense in which anyone can be a decoy. Also Rondo deserves a lot of credit for running the offense even with Doc's messed up coaching, he was the glue for everyone and placed everyone in perfect spots, not just the big 3 but everyone as well. That's just my opinion, what's yours guys?

[@CrazyxEnigma]

Kareem, Magic and Worthy. Showtime revolutionized basketball and it's unfortunate both Magic and Worthy had relatively short careers.

[@leonardoyi3183]

85 lakers with magic, kareem and worthy is better. 86 Celtics with bird, mchale and parrish is also better. Bulls big three of jordan, pippen and rodman was better. Warriors big 3 also (Curry, Durant and klay/draymond). Dont Forget Tim, Manu and Parker were also better. Manu should have won mvp in 05, so, basically, all of the spurs big 3 should have won finals mvp. Even James, Irving and Love is a better big 3.

[@hoopsfan3437]

your summary of the 2010-2011 season is a little off/missing a lot of context. They were actually having a really good season and had the best record in the east up until the all star break, which is when Ainge chose to trade perkins (who was going to be a free agent that summer) for Green. They guys were shook after that, especially rondo (best friends with Perk) who hit a huge slump towards the end of the season. With Perkins gone, they were now leaning on an old shaq and a broken down jermaine oneal which hindered them during the playoffs. It also didnt help that rondo dislocated his elbow in the lone game they won against miami which was the most pivotal point in the series.

[@kenm7179]

Exactly right. Trading Perk for Jeff freakin Green was insane, and it cost them any chance they may have had for the title that year. BUT, I have to give Jeff Green credit- he had a very long NBA career and was still playing in the 2023 playoffs. btw, Ainge sucks!

[@jhdivina]

that’s just excuses now. you’re telling me the boston celtics, a team comprised of kevin garnett, paul pierce, ray allen and rajon rondo, with all their decent veteran bench players, has KENDRICK PERKINS as their win condition??

[@kenm7179]

Yes, although they weren't going to win it all anyway the way the season was going.@@jhdivina

[@hoopsfan3437]

@@jhdivina casual smh

[@EliteLilTJ]

@@jhdivinacasual take

[@hydeseaick2587]

It's sad that Boston couldn't win one more, and maybe, if they could've got Garnett and Allen in 2004, they could've been a dinasty

[@CrazyxEnigma]

In an alternate reality the Wolves don't trade Allen for Marbury and they start their careers in Minnesota together.

[@hydeseaick2587]

@@CrazyxEnigma indeed

[@leonardoyi3183]

heck, if the lakers could have get gasol and artest in 2004, maybe they would have won 6 championships...🤣

[@hydeseaick2587]

@@leonardoyi3183 maybe, but the Spurs were there

[@SuperNASCARrocks]

After the Garnett injury the team was never the same

[@GArmand715]

💯 and he was never the same.

[@rumarspencer7302]

Good video Andy, very enjoyable. My Lakers I think still would've beaten them even if Perkins didn't get hurt in game 6, throughout the 2010 Finals, we dominated them on the offensive boards, the winner of the game of the series, won the rebounding battle. If people want to say that my Lakers won cause they didn't have Perk for game 7, let them think that, but I think differently, I just can't picture the Lakers letting it slip away again vs Celtics, just no way that they was gone not get revenge on the same date they prevailed vs us two yrs prior, June 17th. Laker revenge would still happen, just like with us in 08, we didn't have our starting Center for the whole 08 playoffs in Andrew Bynum, Trevor Ariza wasn't his full self in 08 as well, and if Bynum didn't get hurt against Memphis ironically, we wouldn't have gotten Pau, so Drew getting hurt was a blessing in getting Pau, which set the tone in us winning back to back with the 2 bigs. So yes, I think age played a factor in why Boston couldn't win another title, they're the only Celtic championship era, to never win multiple titles. And was denied by the Lakers, who beat them to repeat, got their two yr revenge, and Boston being the first Celtic team to blow a 3-2 lead in the Finals, how fitting that their long time nemesis, made them blow the lead, and in that game 7, it seem like Boston didn't miss Perk, cause they was up 13 in the third quarter, but Lakers defended, rebounded, started making shots and getting to the line, in the 4th after cutting the deficit to 4 after 3 quarters, then in the 4th, Lakers was slowly coming back, Boston started missing shots, Lakers were hitting their shots, Kobe rebounding, getting to the line, hit that key shot, along with Fish and Metta hitting a 3 a piece. Boston stayed close, but LA held them off.

[@Evenmixer]

In 2010-2011, you can also add that Shaq injury. When Rondo - Allen - Pierce - KG - Shaq were in the starting 5 they were 15 wins 3 loss

[@STOCK_CAPPS]

08 ppl forget we had not won a gm on the road in the playoffs until gm5ECF vs Det and that’s why they all went to gm7 except ECF

[@afanasibushmanov7463]

1 word. Age. I knew that they only had a one or two year window as soon as KG and Allen went there.

[@copernic7511]

Thanks for this great video! Can you make a video (or a series) about the playing days of famous coaches who were former NBA players? (Rivers, Kidd, Jackson...)

[@mrsamuraiist]

Doc rivers refusing to trade rondo for chris paul is still the most outrageous move I've ever heard

[@vishbegamin]

The Celtics formed that superteam past their prime. LeBron did it in his absolute peak of his prime while Wade and Bosh were also in their prime. Major difference

[@marztenacity9444]

And That Miami lost 😂

[@Reese1882yw]

​@@marztenacity9444they won two lost two 😂

[@Jsneebs42]

They would have won in 2009 if KG hadn't gotten injured. Then in 2010 Perkins got injured in the finals and they went to a tight game 7 with the Lakers. I can't say for Certain that they would have won 2010 but in game 7 they got destroyed in the paint and on the boards so it's definitely possible. The 2008 Celtics IMO are one of the greatest teams ever. It's unfortunate that their big 3 were already North of 30 when they teamed up and health wasn't on their side.

[@shaft9000]

_"...and if Bynum weren't injured for the '08 playoffs the Lakers would have gotten a 3-peat and Boston wins nothing."_ Because its so easy to play _The "If" Game...._

[@suiken3149]

@@shaft9000 Lakers took 7 games to beat an aging and ailing celtics with no depth, lol.

[@jjohnson4013]

​@@suiken3149Boston had three top 75 players kobe was the only top player with Gasol Byume was pretty much playing with a leg injury also kobe was playing with a broken finger and bad knee and still won

[@suiken3149]

@@jjohnson4013 Top 75 player who are on the tail end of their primes. KG were no longer the same after his knee injury. Pierce while being still an all-star level player has also been declining in efficiency. Ray Allen can no longer create for himself and stuck as a spot up shooter at this point of his career.

[@jjohnson4013]

@@suiken3149 You sound like your making excuess they were still good enough to make it to the finals they beat a mvp Lebron a prime Howard who won DPOY they just ran into a Lakers team that wanted it more and a kobe who was Looking for pay back

[@BigDawg717]

They did have the biggest turnaround from 1 season to the next in nba history 🍀

[@dunggg]

2020 Lakers

[@TeRraAwTisM]

​@@dungggno goofy

[@ASJyirod]

@@TeRraAwTisMthou shall not entertain

[@CrazyxEnigma]

@@dunggg No. The other big turnarounds off the top of my head are Spurs before and after both Robinson and Duncan's rookie seasons and Celtics getting before and after Bird's rookie season.

[@dunggg]

@@TeRraAwTisM ya'l mad Lakers won three chimp since the Bawston won their only one since 2008

[@STOCK_CAPPS]

The fact is before KG was injured in 09 we had a better record at the break then the 72-10 bulls. Posey leaving in FA was huge tbh I knew we wouldn’t repeat from that move alone he was instrumental was actually the big 4 And people forget no matter what his stats say Ray struggled in his new role as a spot up shooter he was ball dominant and created off his offense he didn’t even hit a three in the lakers series till like gm 5 or something an it was all year like that after this year he mastered the craft an Lebron can thank ray for his second chip. 08 Celtics lead the league in assists it was beautiful basketball to watch these three guys carried franchises for a decade or more they deserved to come together an win they did it through trades too which is far harder more organic and meant to be I only imagine if we got KG PP RA at the ages that wade bosh James were when they formed a team (bc of the Celtics btw) would we not have won 6 or more ? we almost won 2 and could have went to three more finals 09 11 12 with those guys in mid to late 30s

[@gigabyte9584]

2:30 Funny because everything about what you said about Doc’s coaching just now is true because that’s what kinda held back the clippers for those years and then my Sixers.

[@s.a.d7882]

That title was won in the first year of them being together that was huge haven't seen this be done again not even the Heatles....

[@JahNuhThunDeeTheOneAndOnly]

*KG got injured* That’s why they didn’t repeat, end of video.

[@halion50100]

Two words why they weren't able to repeat: KOBE BRYANT

[@vatoloco6738]

Congrats 500k..😎💯

[@ethanbrown4628]

Literally injuries are the only reason they didn’t 3peat actually crazy. Even after losing posey they were still the best team smh.

[@leonardoyi3183]

actually, it was the injuries that prevented the lakers to three peat during that era. Bynum was 3 straight years injured in the playoff during 2008-2010. Ariza was also injured for most of 2007/2008, so, when he returned in the playoff the chemistry wasn't there.

[@ryanmahoney7385]

I’m still a little leery of the free throw disparity in Game 7 of the 2010 Finals

[@DarkMarwin]

I'm thinking what if PJ Brown didn't retire in 08 and still played in 09. Yeah he was old but still a big veteran that could give minutes

[@joshuafult84]

In my honest opinion the main reason they couldn't win another ring is after Garnett got that injury in 2009 he wasn't the same player. KG looked way less explosive and slow in the 2010 playoffs and finals.

[@tmac731]

Forgot to mention the Bulls pushing them to 7 games in the first round, they got tired and lost to the Magic in the 2nd. GO Bulls

[@jham4745]

That knee injury k.g. had change this team still was able to compete but to me they should had been in a championship series for 3-4 years before trading Kendrick Perkins

[@phengmoua2389]

It’s unfortunate that Rondo was never able to develop a consistent jumpshot. That definitely could have extended their championship window.

[@bumblebity2902]

Rondo give them second wind in the 2010 playoffs

[@bobharley1]

@@bumblebity2902 He was their MVP in the 2nd round against the cavs but struggled in the finals. On multiple posessions they were leaving him open and daring him to shoot. If he had expanded his range just a bit more it could've helped in game 7

[@phengmoua2389]

@@bumblebity2902 He did but overall just never developed a consistent jumper. He probably could have won one championship but when he tore his ACL, he was never the same.

[@hoopsfan3437]

I mean it would've been nice but that was not the main reason why their window closed. They never got adequate help at the wing to support Pierce and Allen and those guys were playing way too many minutes at that stage of their careers. That was the initial idea behind the trade for Jeff Green, but he ultimately was more of a stretch 4 and didn't become the guy they were hoping for

[@leonardoyi3183]

well, rondo did shoot very well in his lakers championship run. He was 40% from three in the playoff during the 2020 run with the lakers.

[@sergionieto5735]

Andy, I love your videos but the background music at 1:32 is just not it . However the music at 2:54 is goated af!

[@YouCanChangeYourWorldToday]

Can never get used to seeing KG and Ray Allen in a Celtics jersey 😂

[@andresdelportillo9917]

I’ll always see ray ray as a buck , we love him here in mke

[@YouCanChangeYourWorldToday]

@@andresdelportillo9917 I Actually think Sonics uniforms looked better on him lol

[@IDK-0402]

You're either old af or young af lol. KG and Ray's time with the Celtics were the most meaningful years of their career.

[@YouCanChangeYourWorldToday]

@@IDK-0402 I’d like to disagree! KG will always be a T-Wolf and Ray Allen will always be a BUCK ! Just my opinion. I like to remember my childhood the way it was lol 😂

[@Leviathan_1.0]

the 2011 Mavs Ring is more heavier than this Celtics Ring, they defeated that Modern, younger Super Team, while the Celtics struggle heavily

[@shac0le]

Great Video

[@carayj]

I remember the agony of the Celtis losing game 7 in 2010 against the laker it was crushing

[@knight6]

Old Shaq was on that 2010 Finals team and Rasheed Wallace was waiting in the hallway to talk to the refs after the loss. It was great seeing Sheed win a ring with the Pistons.

[@colearcher3378]

@@knight6Shaq was not on that team. He was on 2010-11 Celtics roster

[@knight6]

@@colearcher3378 o ok. Too bad he wasn’t on that 2009-2010 Celtics team. He might have helped, even though he was old and way past his prime. Would have been a nice storyline Shaq vs Kobe Finals.

[@thetruth3454]

that celtics team had me arguing against miami heat and laker fans left and right that 2012 ECF had it gone the other way would change the big 3 heats legacy

[@TorontoWire]

No one ever gives Dwight Howard credit for making the finals in 09 I swear lol

[@CrazyxEnigma]

Everyone wanted Kobe v LeBron. Those puppet commercials were great.

[@JakeStevyson]

@@CrazyxEnigma what "If" for them

[@IDK-0402]

The fuck you mean no one lol. Dwight's legacy is literally built around that 2009 finals run.

[@christianmacapayag]

People been saying C’s should’ve won the ‘10 finals if perk wasnt injured. As if Bynum was healthy during the 08’ finals….

[@hasanx8066]

Doc bled this chip dry, dunked it in water, and dried it out again 😂

[@SteezyRedStars]

Plus the big 3 was washed up as hell entering the 2012-2013 season lol. They had heart but no endurance against a superior athletic heat team

[@suiken3149]

2012 was the closest on winning again next to 2010 but surprise, injury on key players struck again. Had Bradley and Jeff Green been healthy, they'd have more depth and option which will give the aging big 3 more breather. Not to mention Chris Wilcox although not much of an impact was having some semblance of a core rotation but he also went out for a heart surgery

[@hoopsfan3437]

For sure. People forget Bradley had replaced Allen in the starting lineup that year and provided them with much needed athleticism and perimeter defense. Sorely missed that in the Heat series

[@leonardoyi3183]

who the f was chris wilcox?

[@suiken3149]

@@leonardoyi3183 I can tell youre too young to recognize him. He was part of the team from 2011-2013 but pretty much absent for majority of 2012 season due to heart surgery. kzbin.info/www/bejne/goKvfaJqbqeDoposi=vXbweodvLLS6iere

[@Kingbossdon]

K.G. getting injured was a big reason key free agents not resigning like James Posey Doc Rivers not making adjustments were key factors in them winning one championship and trading away a piece of their team and injuries in the finals also age was a big factor as well

[@CarJaco]

This lone championship forever changed Doc's and Pierce's legacies, without it they would be remembered very differently. And not for the better. Ray and KG, I think would be remembered similarly even if they never won a championship. They were a dominant team, but not a likeable team.... so the more time that passes, people's opinion of them will get worse. And in my opinion, having Perkins and Pierce on tv acting a fool, also really hurts this teams legacy.

[@4392amtrak]

Doc probably would've gone back to broadcasting sooner than later, and Pierce would've been looked at as another Adrian Dantley or Melo type

[@leonardoyi3183]

Ray allen won a championship with the heat, so, probably that celtics championships doesnt change that much his legacy. It definitely helped doc and pierce legacy a lot. I think it did help KG to be considered a top 30 player.

[@4392amtrak]

@@leonardoyi3183 I think KG is a top 25 player ever. I rank him in the same category as Dirk

[@Alexred94]

KG and Perkins being injured from them 3peating

[@digontozahid]

Stop embarrassing yourself😂😂😂

[@EliteLilTJ]

@@digontozahidHe’s not wrong lmao, when kg was healthy that 09 team was 27-2 at one point

[@TBCLINQ]

The fact they acquired Ray , KG , And Pierce in the 2007 off-season was notably seeing their age gap were late 20s Honestly , if they were available to trade KG to Boston early , just like Shaq in Miami. They probably would be the best team on the east at that time , on his MVP Season Days. But it's obviously a what if . If they arrived on Boston early instead staying on Minnesota.

[@CrazyxEnigma]

KG didn't want to leave Minnesota, that awful team somehow had his loyalty despite their massive mishandling of basically everything during his time there. He also didn't want to go to the Celtics and ended up getting sent there for a woeful package as a favor from McHale to his old team. For all the talk of the Lakers getting Pau for nothing as a favor from Jerry West to his old team isn't true as he wasn't the GM anymore in 08 unlike McHale.

[@leonardoyi3183]

pierce was already in the celtics. Heck the celtics even drafted pierce...

[@NumberStatsFax]

How good were 2008 Boston Celtics? ATL DIV champs ECF Champs Nba Champs 66-16 Reg Season(80.3%) 100.5 PPG(11th) OPP PS 90.3(2nd) 98.9 Def RTG(1st) Pace 90.9(19th) 42.0 RPG 22.4 APG 8.5 SPG 4.5 BPG 15.2 TO 47.5/38.1/77.1% 16-10 playoff record(61.5) 94.0 PPG 40.0 RPG 21.5 APG 7.6 SPG 4.3 BPG 12.8 TO 44.7/35.9/78.3% 26 GP. How good were the BIG 3 Boston Celtics in the regular-season and playoffs between the 2007-08 and 2011-2012 seasons? - 1x Nba Champions(2008) - 2x ECF Champions(2008,2010) - 66-16 record in 2008(80.5W%) - 62-20 record in 2009(75.6W%) - 50-32 record in 2010(61.0W%) - 56-26 record in 2011(68.3W%) - 39-27 record in 2012(59.1W%) - 54.6 win AVG from 2008-2012 - 107.1 ORTG(12th) - 100.7 DRTG(1st) - 327-160 record (67.1%)(2nd) - 97.3 PPG(19th) - 40.1 RPG(29th) - 8.1 SPG(4th) - 4.7 BPG(19th) - 14.7 TO(8th) - 47.1/36.9/76.8% - 18.3 FTM - 23.8 FTA For more stats like this,highlights,lowlights, updates and debates follow my page @NUMBERSSTATFAX ON IG,TIKTOK🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾 ‬

[@darwinjay711]

the bug reason is Doc Rivers coaching he destroy the great celtics line up.. he cant coach when needed the most.

[@kdtrey6840]

If kg not injured in 09 they will become back2back champs

[@iros9182]

Short answer: Glenn Rivers

[@187mrsmith]

Yeah having the offense built around rondo in 2010 was never going to end well a point guard who can't shoot + Injuries and bad coaching decisions crippled that potential Dynasty sad 2 say!

[@trongray664]

00:27 Bro. The answer to those questions is YES. Super teams would emerge regardless of the 2008 Celtics. Doesn't matter who did it first or when. Super teams becoming a thing would be inevitable.

[@jbug1979]

0:30 damn bosh was that dude who always stuck his neck out for you 😂

[@Blade-hf9po]

Doc Rivers being Doc Rivers, KG getting injured, and age catching up to all of them very quickly.

[@aa1944-k2r]

reality is age and injuries were the biggest problem, coaching was also an issue but not as big as age and injuries. when the big 3 came together, they were all pretty old, and back then the league was more physical than today's league so age was a bigger factor. in 2009 playoffs we all saw what a young rose did to the celtics without KG, the celtics barely won game 7 and it was the most exciting playoffs series ever, then in round 2 they got destroyed by the magic in the paint. in 2010, i remember how everyone thought the celtics old man were done, but they cruised to the finals...completely dominated even the magic, i think we were up 3-1 and won the first 2 road games...there was a lot of disbelief. but then in the finals, perk went down game 6 and 7, and we got destroyed on the board, perk was averaging 5.8 rebounds in the finals, second in the team, and the team also missed his defensive presence. my man ray allen hit 8 threes in game 2, but then his shots wouldn't drop....and i think coaching has a lot to do here. doc wanted ray to shoot himself out, but back then defense was different than today, the entire final series was a fucking grind and many ppl shot a poor percentage. Doc should have ran other plays instead of making allen catch and shoot, thats the problem as andy said in the video, the offense was so predictable. he wouldn't make changes in response to the situation and come up with creative plans to shock the opponent. it was all rondo, rondo was great, but it was all rondo. thats why ray allen got upset because he was used as a decoy running around just to catch and shoot sometimes when he could do so much more. and thats the key, putting star players together does not give you success, the players need to know they are each giving up a large part of their game, their stats, and have to fit in a completely new style. thats why so many super teams failed, they simply wouldn't adjust or willing to give up. thats why i think bosh is so under appreciated, its all lebron and wade but bosh gave up a lot for the team. same goes for ray who gave up the most among the big 3.

[@jamesfarrier8985]

KG likely tips the scale... he was the reigning defensive player of the year and a couple of years off winning MVP. He was the best PF in bball...

[@joel8692]

Duncan was definitely the best PF

[@dwainfrett5385]

8:42 No. They didn't trade Perkins for Jeff Green until the trade deadline. The Celtics were the number one team in the east for like half the season. That's why Doc Rivers was the Allstar game coach. And how could you leave out the Shaq signing? That's the reason they got rid of Perkins in the first place. Shaq was really good on the Celtics. They owned Miami in the regular season until Shaq got injured. I don't think the Celtics realized how injured Shaq got or else they wouldn't have traded Perkins. They went from 2 centers to no centers basically. Garnett started playing the 5 ever since then and the Celtics became a smaller skinnier team.

[@vignoble]

maybe it's because they have legendary head coach the "doc reverse"😂

[@ayrtonadiong]

You may also feature why the 2020 or 2021 champs did not repear

[@brucelau2023]

one of the biggest turnaround from 1 season to the next in NBA history, but to be fair, after the 2009 Celtics, besides KG's injury in 2009 is the Miami Heat Big which is their main Kryptonite losing to them in the Playoffs for 2 years in a row the Miami Heat was on the rise from 2010-2014 were really the Celtics' biggest hurdle this era

[@splashnskillz37]

2020 Lakers also did that, also for their 17th title ironically

[@anjr9915]

To be fair in the 2010-2011 season, we started the season amazing with a healthy Shaq, once he went down and we traded Perk it went downhill. In 2012, we got close and pushed the Heat to 7 in the ECF.

[@4392amtrak]

You guys were up 3-2 against them, but LeBron's 45 put that to rest

[@anjr9915]

@@4392amtrak the Celtics were burned out and the Heat capitalized is more like it

[@philiphernandez5152]

Crazy doc can still coach because of his one ring

[@shaft9000]

one word = KOBE The End

[@limonator8280]

The Lakers made zero excuses, and just won back to back instead.

[@jaydaytoday3548]

Their best chance was in 09. However Kobe was in a mission that year and doubt he would have lost to them a second time.

[@Grind2Excellence]

I think kobe would lost again to a healthy Boston. They looked even better than their 08’ version. I do think Kobe would’ve performed better though.

[@techgamesyt8046]

James Posey signed with the Hornets

[@nbapbaupdate8338]

Jaylen Brown story your next video Andy Hoops 😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤

[@gawad002]

Before watching the video, it’s Doc rivers. He failed that team and made em too predictable. They should have at least 2 rings in that tenure and prolly another reliable coach would have secured that or even dynasty. I’m saying this as laker fan too!

[@carayj]

The 2008 Celtics team is still talk and everyone chasing the big 3 cause they were able to win a championship their first year together

[@underpressure07140]

When your best player in the team was Paul Pierce, someone who only had 1x all-NBA 2nd team and 3x all-NBA 3rd team, you were lucky to even win 1 championship. Doesn't help that you have Doc Rivers as your coach

[@aenangutierrez3882]

Boston Celtics 2008 its my first fav team ! im only 11 y.o. that time

[@paulnguyen5157]

They are pretty similar to the recent Nets super team: win now or bust. Imagine they didn’t win the 2008 title what would the legacy of Pierce KG and Allen would be?

[@nbarealtalker]

Doc Rivers is the most highly regarded OK coach in the history of sports.

[@cliffwoodbury5319]

Injury - This video is clearly for those that are two young and or not NBA fans. If KG wasn't injured NBA history would be totally different because this team would have won back-2-back championships and Ray Allen would have stayed so its highly likely it would have been the beggining of a dynasty.

[@4392amtrak]

And Ray was hoping to stay, but BOS tried to trade him several times and they gave contracts to players b4 they looked Ray's direction

[@4392amtrak]

And Ray's number would've been up in the rafters by now

[@xDreMack]

If Bynum and Ariza weren't injured the Celtics never even win 1

[@cliffwoodbury5319]

@@xDreMackdo u know who ur are talking about.... Ariza was a good support player, I'll give him that. But neither of those players is making a huge difference in or out the game, and if they do add value for one it is probabably off the court were their efficency ratings would skyrocket with pom-poms...

[@xDreMack]

@@cliffwoodbury5319 2 starters with one of them capable of giving you 20-10 would have no impact? Lol you're delusional

[@SmurfENT1]

Can you do one on why the Miami Heat couldn’t repeat in 07? Great video 👏🏾

[@ultimateyagerman]

Rigged title run, no way to defend something that didnt belong to them in the first place Old Shaq and no more ref help until Bron showed up Thread

[@SmurfENT1]

Lmao right buddy

[@CrazyxEnigma]

@@ultimateyagerman Rigged? Yeah no. Dallas had terrible perimeter defense and got cooked by athletic guards the whole season, Kobe outscored them in 3 quarters by himself that same year. The vast majority of calls that sent Wade to the line were legitimate fouls, that's all Dallas could do in the vain hope of slowing him down was foul him.

[@ultimateyagerman]

@@CrazyxEnigma keep telling yourself that casual, you were probably 8 in 2006 and never actually watched it everytime someone talks about that series, wade 97 FTs always gets brought 💀

[@ultimateyagerman]

@@SmurfENT1 yup Making a video about 2006 and not mentioning the refs is a waste of time video that's also a dishonest piece of work for the kids(you) who didnt watch the series in real time

[@237doogie6]

I was actually following this team. You may think im crazy, but its due to Perkins injury. Ppl always bash him, but his defense and screen was so important to this team

[@leonardoyi3183]

what about bynums injury? He was injured for 3 straight playoff runs, including both finals vs the celtics. Stop the whining...injuries are part of the game...

[@237doogie6]

@@leonardoyi3183 Bynum was always injured made of paper

[@tankeater]

Dwade and LeBron got together because KOBE got his 5th ring...

[@OrionOodama]

It is a mystery why the Celtics traded Eddie House in 2010 for Nate Robinson. House was usually the team's PG in the 4Q, complementing Ray Allen's perimeter shooting. Come 2010 Finals, the Lakers simply keep an eye on Allen (or Rasheed Wallace) and let Rondo dare to take long shots. Sure, the Celts were still one win away and even took a 3-2 lead, but that supposed Title finish would be less hard if House was still there.

[@aaronli8376]

This celtics team embarassed the lakers so bad in the finals. Kobe lucky KG didn't get traded sooner to the celtics, otherwise he wouldn't of won 2 more. Thats how stacked they were.

[@187mrsmith]

Basically injuries bro KG caught that crazy injury then when we actually made it back to the finals and was up in the series ready to clinch a 2nd title Perkins gets hurt and next thing u know we can't guard the paint for the life of us an then the lakers come back an beat us!

[@nathaniellevesque2782]

So to summarize, 1) slowly losing role players 2) an aging core 3) the rise of the Big Three Heat 4) untimely injuries 5) a very overrated head coach Their window was going to be short and the cracks were showing even in 08, as a large chunk of that 08 team was 30 and up. Also worth pointing out that in 08, no series went less than 6 games.

[@johngittings4673]

The Celtics had tons more hype and a longer run of success but honestly, their 2008 championship wasn’t much different than the Mavericks three years later. They struck at the right time. Yes, KG, Pierce, and Allen were still stars but they were just getting past their prime when they teamed up. It’s actually pretty impressive that they were able to remain title contenders for five years. Finally, as Andy and some people on this thread have pointed out, the loss of Posey after that title year was much bigger than one would expect. 3-and-D role players were nowhere near as common back then as they are now. The Celtics losing him was somewhat similar to the Bucks losing P.J. Tucker after winning the title in 2021.

[@leonardoyi3183]

i see the celtics and mavs championship very different. Celtics were a super team. Mavericks weren't a super team. People expected the celtics to win. They had the best record in the league, and despite that, all of their series in the eastern conference were very difficult. Mavs wasn't a super team, they didn't have the best record, nobody expected them to win but they suddenly got red hot in the playoff. Mavs only had one legit all star in dirk...

[@JJsAthletics]

I come across this channel quite often in my recommendations and every time I take a listen, the same glaring issue pops up - lack of depth and original content/opinion. E.g.: "Maybe there were times where Celtics benefitted from injuries to others?" - OK, why not investigate that avenue? Would have added so much to this video. There was couple of more points which were briefly mentioned and would have added a lot of depth. This far, all the content I have come across has been just narration of generally accepted narratives and this really does not draw to the content. Or what do I know.

[@quandellwigfall6724]

The Celtics was a very good team. I'm a Laker fan and those were some great games and great NBA finals both times. Injuries and other stuff definitely hindered the Celtics. They looked like a dynasty at first. The only thing is the big 3 KG Pierce and Allen were a bit aged so they was a win now team. They had a decent run and an exceptionally good team 👏.