Liberator ROCKET Heater -Pellets w/ NO ELECTRICITY !!!

[@rronmar]

As mentioned, you really want to add a fresh air duct to feed the fire with outside air. All wood fired stoves consume a large amount of air. If that air is drawn from the house, besides pumping warm room air up the chimney, it places the house under a vacuum and all that air is replaced by cold outside air thru every crack in the envelope. A sealed combustion air supply will stop this and make the house more comfortable. If you really want to enhance the comfort this heater provides, add a second separate air duct. Run this one to a small computer fan so it blows air against the heat exchanger to heat the fresh outside air. That supply with the fan will add a slight positive pressure to the house and force air out thru the cracks in the envelope, instead of sucking cold air in. I have done this with the last 2 wood stoves I have had and will do it with any other I ever use. The difference in room/house comfort is literally night and day…

[@timothyblazer1749]

This is why it's important to put in a fresh air heat exchanger in any tightly sealed house.

[@carlomartin6156]

No electricity he says but two blowers the whole day blowing the air around!? That's a lot of energy

[@rronmar]

And when your fire pumps a ton of air up the chimney, thats what is required to make the space comfortable, fans trying to move the heat back out away from the fire, as the suction from the fire pulls cold air in thru the gaps in walls and floor and pulls it toward the fire. If you eliminate the fire suction with an outside air duct hard plumbed into the fire air supply you stop the air draw from the room and make it a lot nicer heat source. If you further add a positive pressure source AT the stove, you reverse the process as that positive pressure spreads out thru the room flowing toward all the air leaks in the envelope, it carries the heat with it warming the room evenly. Same as he is doing with fans, but a tiny amount of energy and almost no noise to run a 4” computer fan…

[@Richardj410]

You say there is a lot of air going up the chimney, what is that based on? Did you measure it?

[@rronmar]

@@Richardj410 based on years of practical experience. Do you have a wood stove? Close/block any air vents, so the only way air can get in is thru the door. Start a fire and control the air with door position and you will understand what I am getting at. I shifted from a woodstove to a pellet stove years ago. That was terrible as it has a blower that forces a ton of combustion air into the stove. The house was terrible as it sucked in cold air thru every leak, until I got it setup to use outside air for the combustion feed. Then I added a second air supply to feed the heat exchanger with fresh outside air, and things got quite nice with positive pressure to the stove area. Went back to a woodstove after a few years on the pellet, but kept the outside air feed. Wish I had done the forced outside air feed a decade earlier…

[@wrxs1781]

Good video, and we also used a pellet stove for years because propane was so expensive, and a wood stove in the basement also. I enjoyed the many years of country living.

[@harrymills2770]

Less work than a traditional wood stove, not that I ever minded the extra work. It just became part of the daily routine that was sort of fun. I haven't seen many, but I've seen one or two houses built for wood heat with a stove in the basement, and great big grates lined up above it, and other sets of grates all around the perimeter of the house that brought air back down from upstairs.. Convection brought warm air into all 3 floors above it.

[@charleswalter2902]

Your 45/45 elbow setup is fine. I’ve burned wood for over 50 years and my stack has a similar setup. Really nice heat source you have. Also, running a pipe horizontally is a great way to have no draft and nice hot chimney fires.

[@semlohde1]

Going back to 1982-1985 we put a Shenandoah wood stove in front of our fireplace, 1300sqft home. Ran the exhaust into a plate into the fireplace. Heated 3+ years with only wood. The gas company came by to inspect. We had a pot of water on the stove, humidity and heat. It was great but I got tired of cutting trees and splitting the wood. The pellets seem to be the easier solution. Thanks.

[@simonmusgrovewethey]

So you are sold on the idea of burning wood pellets now it's time to upgrade to a more efficient and less time consuming heater. May I also add perhaps a little more pleasing on the eye but certainly safer so no burning when touching the exposed metal surfaces. We live in the UK on the Welsh boarders at the top of a hill 452m above sea level and exposed to strong winds coming from the SW. I have a biomass boiler that heats my entire house (780sqm), plus all the hot water we need. It runs from 6am to 10pm seven days a week with a winter outside temperature of around 0°C and an internal temperature of 22°C. Occasionally we may see temperatures dip to -5°C but that's only for a few days. Current outside temperatures during the daytime are about 10°C. We use 15kg of 6mm softwood pellets per day. The feed hopper in the winter is filled just once a week and in the summer filled less than once per month. I empty the ash pan three times a year with each empty having about the same amount of ash you can put on a dinner plate. Apart from filling the feed hopper, this is totally automatic with absolutely no input from me. The boiler was installed 10 years ago in what used to be the tack room of the stables and hot water is pumped underground to the house. We pay typically about £360 per 975kg of pellets (single pallet load) and get through 4x975kg pallets per annum. The only other cost is an annual service (£350) plus a minimal amount of electricity to operate and manage the boilers computer system. The boiler is a German made Windhager, has never missed a beat, nothing has been repaired or replaced. It's exactly as it was installed 10 years ago. The entire boiler is covered with an attractive cover, cherry red and light grey, so no hot surfaces to get burnt on. An added bonus is the computer controller and water manifolds that direct the hot water to the various room radiators etc is installed in a small under stairs cupboard used for coats etc. This room is always warm which is excellent for drying wet coats and muddy boots.

[@peter-pg5yc]

Id move to a warmer climate..

[@TsLeng]

780sqm? Is that a typo? No way you can heat a mansion like that for 15kg of anything a day.

[@simonmusgrovewethey]

@@TsLeng I'm afraid you are wrong. This is exactly what we do. During the summer when we just need hot water for showers, cleaning etc we use approx one single bag of 15kg pellets per week.

[@TsLeng]

@@simonmusgrovewethey yes in summer that's possible. But it would mean another typo of 4x975kg bags per year. That only average out to 11kg a day. Maybe you just live there in the summer....😂

[@simonmusgrovewethey]

@@TsLeng if you take an entire year we get through a maximum of four pallets loads of pellets. Each pallet contains 975kg of pellets in either 15 or 18kg bags depending on the supplier. In Europe there is a law that bags like cement or in this case wood pellets, mustn't be heavier than 18kg each to avoid back injuries when lifting them. So to heat the whole house with the central heating and also hot water only in the summer we use 3,900kg but that's a maximum. This year, 2023/4, we had a mild winter with only three days of snow. We got through around 3,400kg in total.

[@JamesWalters1]

Neat stove! Put floor fan in cold area. Use it to push the cold air out along the floor. Warm air will be drawn in across the ceiling. Very little effort from the fan is needed since you’re assisting natural convection currents. Stated another way, when using floor fans, I found that pushing cold air out of an area I want to heat is much easier and more effective than trying to push air in against the natural convection current.

[@anesthesiadreamin]

@@JamesWalters1 Yes! It's always easier to push cold denser air than hot thinner air. Address this in my follow-up video, and a lot of other questions and ideas commenters had, the link is at the end of this video you just watched. Thanks for your comment!

[@nerfhurrdurr6138]

Have you considered that it might not be the MAP gas that's lighting the pellets faster, but instead the torch head you're using? I have both of those torch heads, and the one you have on the MAP gas is a much more efficient design.

[@anesthesiadreamin]

Thats funny, I just realized that when lighting the heater about 20 minutes ago when I switched the torch heads and got about the same bigger flame out of the propane bottle. That will save me some money! This is why I love youtube, I (and others) learn so much from the comments, so thanks for watching and for posting 👍

[@anesthesiadreamin]

Oh, and if you don't mind me asking, my understanding is MAPP is no longer available, so what do you use MAP Pro gas for, if it really doesn't burn that much hotter than propane?

[@Chimonger1]

Great video! These have some learning curves! Great to share notes! Doesn’t the wall next to it, get awfully hot? We have a vertical desk about the same distance from our stove, as yours is to the wall-maybe slightly farther away... I had to cover its side all the way up, with heavy duty aluminum foil to shield it. Also had to hang some foil as a screen to protect any using the desk, from getting too hot, & another on the other side to protect anyone sitting in the rocking chair there! Hot, these stoves! His perked air intake cap is a great simple control on how hot it gets. I like my air intake damper, better…. Old fireplace has an ash-dump hole, so I used 4” aluminum drier duct parts, including a damper (had to make one using a can lid + a long bolt for the knob), for fresh air intake directly to one of the air intakes. Could add a 2nd one, if needed. But one’s working well here. Had to do it… Even our old leaky tract house was too tight!?… throttling the burn in our rocket stove (or any other stove). Now, can close that damper while firing the stove up, to stop smoke from back-flushing into the room; then close the fire door & open the damper once it’s going. It looks kinda clunky, but efficient. I put a solid cap on the other air intake. A minor glitch: The pellet flow controller slide-flap: It needs fiddly-carefully adjusted it to the very edge, to be sure the full-round of the drop-pipe is full-open; fraction of that, even a sliver, impeding pellet-drop, results in pellets jamming & stopping our rocket stove. Mystery of the rocket stove: No clue why, but, the hearth on the left side of the stove gets palpably hotter than on the right side, even tho the cool air intake is on that left side..!? We buy the lowest cost pellets, & check that bags have not gotten wet, or smashed into dust-but the dust does burn, too. Very loosely figured, we still spent less $$ on pellets last winter, than the previous similar winters’ electric heat bills, by maybe about $40. USD. And it felt so good! Hardest impediment to installing ours: …couldn’t find ANY contractor of any kind, to simply push the button on the pulley, to pull the chimney liner up our old chimney. I cleared-out the rotted damper, & modified the “shelf” to be wide enuf to put the liner up. DH made the frame to mount the pulley onto, to fit the top of chimney. We had everything set to go-just needed someone competent to climb the 15’ ladder-neither of us belonged up the ladder. Finally, after 2 years, a neighbor took pity on us, & climbed that ladder….so, last winter was the 1st time using our rocket stove. Once that got pulled up enuf (it went fast), I stuffed special high-temp insulation around the lower end to fill in the chimney space, & neighbor used more of that to block space around the top of the liner, attach the stainless steel flat-cap over the sleeve/chimney, & reinstalled the screened topper. I used 2 adjustable pipe clamps at liner top, to stop it sliding back down, & put bricks under the bottom L to support it at the bottom, above the fireplace floor, & put in a cleanout T btwn the stove & the L. There’s a ceramic insulation board wrapped with foil, installed on the hearth, under the stove. That thing gets bloody melt-down hot under the firebox! I didn’t want to have to repair heat-damaged hearth tiles anytime in the projected future. That special insulation board is brittle, hence covered by foil (or repurposed cookie sheet)-it fits almost exactly between the legs of the stove, which sits on the hearth. A recycled aluminum pan sits on that board, & slides out to scoop ashes into. Got the high-temp insulation & board from WallyWorld online, as were the S/S chimney liner & parts. Not all chimneys draw. Our brick insult to chimney builders everywhere, is over 40 years old; it’s 15’ tall, high enuf that air flow does not compete with roof peak-it Should draw, fine…. …but for 8 years, we could not get it to draw at all, even after I opened its throat to put the liner thru. Not even when I stacked bricks to reduce the fireplace opening. The old rotting insert had been installed wrong, & there was never any rain protection up top. The only hope we had was to install the liner right. Eventually, the plan is to get a piece of heat resistant stove glass to use as fire door, to get a flame-view -there’s a place online that will make them to order-be sure to measure twice so only order once! They can make it with a hole to put a handle in the glass-far better than trying to pinch-hold hot glass with thick gloves. Just be sure the handle you choose can withstand that high heat. Glass expands at different rate than steel-be sure to measure slightly smaller than the interior slot-width, to prevent glass getting stuck in slot from heat expansion. Even the original metal door on ours, gets stuck too easily. I like how his glass is taller than the bracket- of need to use gloves to pull it out. These stoves can heat upwards of 2000 sq.ft., but might need fans to boost it around your layout. Ours needs fans to boost it, even in our semi-open-plan. I had to install hall doors to subdivide resident’s spaces, but made transoms over them. Got transom fans (very quiet, adjustable & reversible) to go over a couple. Also, there are the heat-generated-electric stove fans-several configurations, to put on top of a wood stove. I set ours on an angle, so it’s not blowing forward at the pellet bin. Very quiet. Those seem to have been much better than the noisy big fans. Cats? Ours are curious when it’s being started, but when it gets hot, they keep away. Dogs? Usually smart enuf to keep safe. Kids? Impaired adults? Rowdy teens?…Put a safety fence around the whole installation!!

[@grandparedpill2695]

You should use a dasy wheel from a Weber grill for air control.

[@anesthesiadreamin]

That is a great idea my friend

[@silverfox6507]

I did this on a small wood heater and it worked really well. Took about 10 mins to make.

[@bobkelly2447]

ok....that is far better than my pellet stove ! I have a tractor supply PP130 that I have had to modify ( had it for 6~7 yrs)... I use a 40# bag a day of wood pellets, and the stove runs 24/7 when it's cold outside (below 50 deg.) I had to replace a room fan and an exhaust fan about a year before the control circuit board died... at seeing the price to the circuit board I decided to replace the circuit board with a simple timer off Amazon... and it's been working great sense the efficiency of your stove is impressive I estimate about 1/2 bag of pellets a day for my use....and that is impressive especially when you consider if the electric power quits we are without heat ! ..... I made a pellet stove like yours for the shop but have never hooked it up it uses about a quart of pellets in 8 hrs ! it's efficiency is astounding but it is about 1/3 the size of yours the burn basket is only 3" in diam. but burns almost as hot as yours.... I think in this instance that smaller is better you burn less pellets but get the same heat and that is a Win-Win !!!!

[@anesthesiadreamin]

@@bobkelly2447 Great information! Did you make a video on your build? I would love to see it. The only disadvantaged the liberator has compared to a regular electric pellet stove is there's no thermostat control, it just cranks out heat. That's why our house gets up to about 80°. Sometimes inside the kitchen living room and great room. With this one, you can't throttle it down even lower so it burns at less than 400°, but liberator says then the rocket burn gets very inefficient, and will make a lot more soot. So for the size of the burn chamber/ pellet tube/ heat chamber /exhaust, I'm not sure this one can run a whole lot slower and still be efficient. But again, I'm no expert . I would really like to see your build but also how you installed the timer on the electric one. Hey thanks for sharing, and for your comments.

[@tonysteinke7234]

Nice. Looks like a good setup for burning free woodchips if you have a dry place to store them. Spread about 1 inch thick on a driveway for 8 hours on a sunny day. You won't get as much burn time, of course, but they are free. Also, I use outside air for combustion. Much more comfortable at lower temperatures.

[@anesthesiadreamin]

So did I understand you correctly, you burn wood chips in a rocket heater? Did you happen to make a video of your outside air combustion setup? I need to do that next

[@tonysteinke7234]

Actually, I heat my house with homemade, modified 5-gallon TLUD camp stoves with a heat exchanger. Outside air is vented thru my basement, from my attached garage, and stays plugged when the stove is idle. The air is fed from the bottom. Wood chips are my kindling, as the stove burns from the top down to my feed stock, which is short firewood standing upright. Your setup is better because it feeds constantly. Mine is cheaper, cuz I get my fuel for free. That is why I suggested wood chips. If they will feed without bridging, you could have free fuel. You will just have to load the hopper more often and avoid big sticks. Edit. After replying to you, I watched your video again. It looks like wood chips would definitely bridge. @@anesthesiadreamin

[@smvsspould]

​@@tonysteinke7234 I live in the UK and am considering off gridding at some point. I understand the benefits of direct air outdoor air system, but could you explain to me "bridging" is thag the fuel setting fire to itself in the hopper? :)

[@tonysteinke7234]

Bridging is the wood chips hanging up somewhere between the hopper and the grate where they are burned. I think the air feed design on this stove prevents any back burning provided a strong draft is maintained.@@smvsspould

[@smvsspould]

@@tonysteinke7234 ah cool good to know, thanks!

[@jeffschroeder4805]

Using a "step drill" instead of a twist drill makes much cleaner holes in sheet metal. Where do you source your pellets and about how much do they cost? The old middle school (now torn down) here in Grand Rapids MN converted their boiler to run on pellets which were apparently available inexpensively locally. Not sure if the new middle school uses pellets.

[@rogermoore8977]

I hope these rocket stoves keep evolving so everyone can share ideas on development. The Russians use a brick stove with a very long horizontal chimney but I think it has slow gas travel to the end of the chimney stack. Greater heat transfer and larger thermal mass of brick work should stay warmer even after fuel goes out.

[@anesthesiadreamin]

I think I've seen what you're talking about, the last video I saw of that was in Yakutsk. Also there is a company in the US called "temp cast", they make big masonry heater kits, which allow for a baking oven, but I believe are a smaller scale compared to the Russians style. Indigenous South Americans also make a similar much smaller heater that allows them to bake and cook on top as well. Multipurpose, as they all SHOULD be. Good stuff 👍

[@jessederks8458]

Simpler starting for your stove than a torch: buy/make some BBQ wax cubes / nests / whatever non-accelerant based charcoal / wood starters. They're basically like candles and can start charcoal so they should be able to start pellets.

[@welderoo]

Been planning on building one of these for awhile now hopefully by next winter I will be using one I built

[@anesthesiadreamin]

If u make a video drop me a link. I've always fabbed my own stuff also but I just dont have time to build one. I would like to see what u came up with with if u can 👍

[@gregwoodcox6307]

Interesting video but why do you shut it down at night

[@masonryjoe]

So you are doing a 12 hour burn for under ten dollars ? Also what keeps the burn from going up the feed pipe to the hopper ? It would be cool if you could incorperate a large mass of concrete that would turn it into a mass heater and even further its efficiency. Cheers from Canada !

[@anesthesiadreamin]

Yes, it seems a lot of people are adding mass to this and getting good results. And yes, a 12-hour burn at minimum. Usually around 18 per 40 lb bag of pellets. And the air coming down around the pellet feed tube hits the burn chamber where the actual fire is , and makes The flame burn upside down, and then the flame Burns into the burn chamber, So no chance of it burning back up the feed tube. Great questions! Thanks for watching 👍

[@dbcrn859]

If you put the fan on the floor blowing away from the bedrooms, the warm air at the ceiling will go into the bedrooms.

[@jesser007]

Invest in a Stirling Engine fan. You just place them on the top if your fireplace, and when they get warm they turn on all by themselves. Requires no power, just heat.

[@hithere7382]

Insufficient power. He needs a 24 or a 30" wall fan, they mount to the wall and would be perfect to blow across the top of the stove and from there to other fans depending on how big his house is and how it's configured.

[@albayer-b2s]

I have a few questions- (I currently operate a woodstove during the heating season in Vermont) How many pellets come in a bag and what is their price per bag?- what portion of a bag fills the hopper? Is there creosote like with a woodstove, in the chimney pipe? I sweep my own chimney and pipes- this is a twice a year chore. Where do you store the pellets? I assume they can't be stored where they can absorb moisture.

[@anesthesiadreamin]

Good questions, prior to this we used the wood stove to supplement our heat in Colorado. So pellets come in 40 lb bags, they're about 6 to 8 bucks a bag, one bag fills the hopper up to about 1 in below the top edge, absolutely no creosote because the burn is so complete in the vertical burn chamber, it even Burns the secondary gases, so there's very little Ash burning pellets. We've cleaned out the stove after one month of burning pellets, and got about a cup of Ash out of the stove itself, there was nothing in the chimney pipe but a little bit of pellets come in a waterproof plastic bag, We still store them in a garage to make sure they stay dry in case there's a leaky bag, and also to keep them warmer. Murdochs sells them and stores them outside in the snow 😂

[@DavesDoings]

I need a small one like this for my greenhouse it would work great it wouldn't even have to be a big one!

[@mtpocketswoodenickle2637]

Have you ever looked into a sawdust barrel stove? They are quite easy to build.

[@JanetMcginnis-r4x]

Always wanted to try one, Now I am looking at ways to adapt one to my house.

[@anesthesiadreamin]

I can say with all confidence now, I wish we had done this a long time ago. I don't get anything from liberator, We just really like this heater, My wife and I are sort of in competition to who can get up the earliest in the morning to start it 😂

[@liberatorrocketheaters834]

Thanks for the review! If there is anything else we can help you with please feel free to let us know!

[@anesthesiadreamin]

When I say we love this heater, I mean both my wife and I, it's a competition in the morning to see who can get up the earliest first to get to light it. Burning pellets has decreased our workload significantly compared to bringing in tons of firewood and feeding a woodstove frequently. It has just changed our lives for the better. Great job guys!!!

[@bonsukan]

Thank you for sharing. Is the reason for placing the heater on bricks simply so you don’t have to bend down so low to ignite the pellets and for more space on the clean out on the backside? Also, have you ever considered adding an outdoor air intake on the opposite 4” opening where you have the damper cap?

[@anesthesiadreamin]

Absolutely, when spring comes I will be adding a cold air intake. When the heater was on the tile hearth, it was getting the hearth very hot. So I raised it up on 2 bricks, which I have seen others on youtube do as well. Check the playlist "Liberator" on my channel, there are several more "short" videos that explain a few more things. Thanks for watching, and for the questions! 😁

[@eddiekytia]

So I'm new here and I did subscribe. Great video! When you fill the pellets to the max in the hopper and feed tube how much pellets is that? 20lbs 30lbs 50lbs.......ect ? Also how many square feet is it heating? I'm assuming 1 level home?

[@anesthesiadreamin]

@@eddiekytia Yes, I'm sorry I didn't make that clear. Several people have asked about that, and I'm making a follow-up video to answer people 's comments and questions. Hopefully have that in a couple months. One 40 lb bag of pellets fills the hopper almost full, so it may take another 3 or 4 lb to top it off. Our house is 2,800 square feet, but the back bedroom and bathroom are pretty far away, and even with fans it doesn't warm them very well, that's why we cut it off in the evening, and let the propane heat come on overnight to warm the back bedroom and bathroom. And yes, one level home.

[@lifequest7453]

When starting pellets, I find that if you squirt some alcohol on the pellets and light them, they start right up usually only one application will do it.

[@anesthesiadreamin]

@@lifequest7453 good to know! You mean JD or like rubbing alcohol🤣 JK. I have wondered about lamp oil as well

[@jlsracing997]

@@anesthesiadreamin He's talking about the gelled alcohol for starting fires.

[@lifequest7453]

@@jlsracing997 Im talking about the alcohol you can buy at a hardware store and you put it in a squirt bottle.

[@jlsracing997]

@@lifequest7453 The gelled stuff lasts alot longer when burning as regular isopropyl alcohol evaporates very quickly.

[@lifequest7453]

@@jlsracing997 Have not had a problem with liquid Alcohol

[@SheldonRunkle]

Looks like pellets are the way to go ,if you’ve got plenty of $$ ! !

[@anesthesiadreamin]

@@SheldonRunkle I get what you're saying! I haven't done an exact cost comparison of firewood versus pellets, but I know I used to spend 2 days driving to the mountains, cutting down trees all day, loading 18 ft logs on a trailer, then spending several more days bucking them, splitting them and stacking them. Then of course I have to feed the wood stove every 2 to 3 hours, because all we have is pine in our area. Sometimes we have more time than money, and then getting my own fire wood makes sense. So I'm going to guess and say we saved about $500 getting our own wood for one season . Basically I'm spending about $800 for one season with pellets IF ITS MY ONLY HEAT SOURCE. But no flat tires in the mountains, no chainsaws to maintain, and the older I get the harder that is in my back and shoulders. The pellets are just so dang easy with this, I dump a bag in and I don't have to touch the thing or mess with it for pretty much 24 hours, it just cranks out the heat. We ran it for the past 96 hours as the only heat source , it was 78° in my house this morning and freezing outside in SW Montana. Love it

[@shirleymersereau7660]

Yes And pellets here in Canada are At l’Eastwood 9 $ each bag

[@MrSprintcat]

Ouch

[@nate4555]

Love this!! Eric, do you think it would work well in my shop for continuous heat?

[@anesthesiadreamin]

Idk how it would work for a building with very tall ceilings. Our house has 10 and 1/2 ft ceilings, and it keeps it very warm. IIRC, your building is super well insulated, so it may do very well

[@garywebster8423]

How did your homeowners insurance respond to the Liberator stove?

[@timothyblazer1749]

It's UL approved and EPA certified. So it should be the same as any other wood stove with respect to insurance.

[@ADKhighpeakskier]

I have a Harman Pellet stove and burn 1.5 bags (60#) on a cold day in 24 hrs. How many pounds do you burn in a 24hr day? Thanks

[@anesthesiadreamin]

So if we throttle the intake down, where it burns about 400° on top of the heater, we can get 24 hours out of a 40 lb bag of pellets.

[@yori4666]

@@anesthesiadreamin Where I live a 40 lb bag of pellets costs around $9. When I first put the stove in they were $3.

[@thegrantdanielsband]

How are they to clean and maintain????I have a Comfort Built and on low it will run a bag a day but i have it set up with a portable 3.6Kw solar generator that will power it if the grid goes down!! It only uses about 45W to run it and 450w to start it so no electricity no problem this generator will run it no problem 24/7.also can run other things off this solar generator when grid goes down. I do like this unit you have can run on split wood when SHTF 🙂

[@anesthesiadreamin]

You and I think exactly alike here. We were planning on getting a regular pellet stove, just for the low maintenance, set and forget it, and we figured we'd be running a generator anyway for power for other things If the power went out. But this seems to do the business without electricity, we're getting 20 plus hours out of a 40 lb bag, depending on how we throttle the intake. What my wife likes about it though is she can cook on it, she just made the most amazing lentil soup, cooked it in an hour on top of the rocket heater. And yes, the fuel versatility is nice, sticks from the yard, leftover carpentry scraps, cord wood, scrap wood from the dump , pellets.

[@paullewis252]

Very nice heater. What stops the fire going up the pellet feed tube though? As an idea for the damper, perhaps you could put a sliding plate which covers or opens the amount of holes in your current fitting then you could adjust as you like.

[@anesthesiadreamin]

@@paullewis252The rocket part is what keeps the fire from bringing back up the feed tube. If you look closely, the flame is actually burning upside down. So a combination of the draft pulling the flame into the burn chamber, and also the air rushing down around the feed tube both work in combination to keep the flame burning where it's supposed to... And yes, that sliding plate would work well, I almost did that with this design, but this was so easy and ended up leaving it like this. Also considered a regular damper on a tube stuck in the side, may try that this winter. The liberator people actually recommended putting a damper in the chimney as the best way to control the burn, and also to trap more heat. That will be an upcoming video where I discuss all that. Hey great observations, thanks for your questions, and thanks for watching!

[@paullewis252]

Ok Thankyou for the clarification 👍

[@MrSprintcat]

Thanks for the video, so basically $200 a month ?

[@anesthesiadreamin]

yep! I would say if we ran it 24/7 it would be $8 per bag x 30 is $240, but you can sometimes find cheaper pellets, but sometimes they don't last as long. But it's rare we actually run it 24/7. The house gets so hot with it running at 450F we often cut it off for a few hours in the afternoon and restart it in the evening. It's about sundown here in SW Montana, cloudy all day (no solar gain in the house), snowing intermittently, right about freezing so not super-cold, and the house is 77 degrees. I just came in from working outside all day and it's soooo nice to stand by this thing and get the bones warm again!

[@kgak1008]

But there is a small trade off for adding an external air supply you will have a higher delta T on the exchanger so a higher stress load possibly leading to areas of condensation & premature wear and you will burn more pellets to maintain the same heat due to colder intake air just be aware I am not in disagreement to what you said just adding to i have been a commercial heating tech in every field for 20 years

[@Jourei_]

Question, instead of the blowtorch, why not lit a tiny bonfire into the firebox to light the pellets?

[@gfkusaka]

That is a fantastic system. . . My only concern is a earthquake when the stove is burning and you are away from your home and the stove falls off the bricks. Potential leaving the stove laying on its side or uneven while a burn is underway !! Could it ignite the hopper reservoir or spill hot pellets on the surrounding areas ? Other than that, I think pellet stoves are great.

[@anesthesiadreamin]

Yes you are right, I hadn't thought of that. When we lived for a couple years in SoCal, I used to think that way, but haven't for a long time! I'll have to come up with another solution, if you have any ideas pls send them my way. And this is why I love KZbin, because it's like having neighbors pop over to check out what I'm doing, and people always think of things that I didn't. So thank you for your comments and for watching! 👍

[@gfkusaka]

I lived in huntington bch for 26 yrs. . Experienced many many quakes. One of which literally knocked me out of bed. . . SW Montana is the most seismically active area of Montana. 50 plus quakes ranging 4.0 -5.6 magnitude since the early 70's. . Those aren't large, but they are enough to topple top heavy objects. . I would remove the bricks and anchor the stove legs (where the holes are ) down with a couple bolts to the tile floor. and add a short section of vent pipe to the vertical single wall pipe or just add a longer section so you don't need to have a short piece. . Good luck ! . . I love Montana, I may be moving there within a yr. 😊

[@anesthesiadreamin]

@@gfkusaka What great feedback! Thank you so much for sharing your experience. While I was reading your second comment here, it gave me a couple of ideas of how I can do that. We want to keep it elevated above the floor, for two reasons, mainly because it gets the hearth too hot (IMHO). The other reason will be a forthcoming video soon 🙂 it's getting almost too warm to use this heater, except for a few hours of the morning, daytime temps are hitting the '40s, So these projects might have to happen over the summer. It needs a cold air intake as well. And a damper in the chimney pipe. Fun stuff! Hey thanks for watching and for your feedback 👍

[@jesusloveisrael]

Where did you get the glass for your stove mine is steel .On Amazon I bought a 4 inch damper used a can that fit in their works good .I also put a fan at the side of my stove puts nice even air out .I have the older model and have the newer where you can clean it 😊

[@anesthesiadreamin]

this pyroceramic glass is from Wood stove fireplace glass out of Illinois. It measures 5 13/16 in square, and is 3/16 thick. I ordered it online at woodstove-fireplaceglass.com and it took about a week for it to arrive. On their home page click glass, pyroceram, shop by custom size, rectangle/square, then you can put in the dimensions you want, and the thickness. I don't get anything from this company, I just like their product. Have you made any videos? I would like to see your setup and how it works! Thx for watching and for your feedback!

[@nathanmullikin9641]

You could totally make an adjustable baffle on the air intake I think from a process control pov, it would be best to have a PID controller adjust the baffle according to the exhaust chimney temperature And then you could tune it by adjusting the setpoint of the chimney exhaust

[@anesthesiadreamin]

Sounds to me like you need to buy one and make some videos for the rest of us 🙂

[@nathanmullikin9641]

@@anesthesiadreamin Except I'm planning on quitting my job in a couple months and throwing away all my stuff except for what i can carry on my bike. I'm going to become a litter picking bike tourist called Johnny Litter Bags I just gotta write my story in a succinct way to the judge so that he will cut me loose But SOME DAY I would like to find a home, and when I do that place is going to be rocking and tuned

[@gregkral4467]

Always wondered how welding on some radiator fins made of 3/16" mild steel and a little shrouidng around with expanded metal as a gaurd would do, bet it will heat up the place even faster.... still, thanks for showing us. and even in a pinch, can take out basket, put in a shelf and use scrap twigs and offcuts.

[@anesthesiadreamin]

I've been wondering the same thing, also wondering about attaching a fan to some radiator fins like you're describing. Now I just might have to build it 🙂

[@gregkral4467]

@@anesthesiadreamin maybe just use a couple of those heat powered wood stove fans to blow maybe off a reflector... Might be worth two or maybe three mounted along somewhere... in case of power outage, or to eliminate electric fan altogether. Cheers from Alberta.

[@timothyblazer1749]

Putting on fins might make the burn barrel too cool for complete combustion, and could increase particulates and coke up the exhaust. I'd talk to the liberator guys to make sure.

[@anesthesiadreamin]

@@timothyblazer1749 You are exactly right, I spoke with them about a week ago and they said optimal burn temp at the "bullseye" of the top should be 450-650, higher wears out the liner/burn tube faster, below 450 is suboptimal burn with potential for creosote buildup. I will definitely check with them, they are super nice and very helpful. Hey thanks for watching and for the good suggestion 👍

[@JoshMillikan]

personally i prefer using heat gun for igniting pellets over blow torch. it is fast and doesn't require buying gas to burn. also main risk you have with a cool chimney is it will increase the risk of creosote buildup and potential for chimney fire. so might require a more frequent cleaning.

[@anesthesiadreamin]

I'm gonna try that! What gun do u use? And at what temp?

[@JoshMillikan]

@@anesthesiadreamin i use just a cheap Wagner Furno 300 on its high setting which is a 1.2kw heat output (1100F). i use it for pellets and to start charcoal in a chimney starter for bbqing :D saw that trick on some other pellet smokers for starting the pellets on fire and its been great been doing it for years now.

[@anesthesiadreamin]

@@JoshMillikangreat info! this is why I love youtube, its like having a neighbor pop over and look over what I am doing and make suggestions - i learn so much from the comments. Thanks for watching and for your feedback👍

[@jackel61-007]

Wouldn't that burn without the fan? If you had lost power for whatever reason, I would believe it would still heat. Thanks for yout time bro.

[@anesthesiadreamin]

@@jackel61-007 absolutely! That's the biggest reason we bought it. Well, three main reasons. 1) it will run without electricity 2) fuel versatility, in other words it will run on pellets, sticks from the yard, cord wood 3) Rocket heater design keeps more of the heat in the house than a wood stove. Be sure to check out the "liberator" playlist on my channel, there are a couple of shorts that show us running it when we were without power, and with split cord wood. Sorry I didn't make that clear in this video

[@jackel61-007]

@ Thanks brotherman, I appreciate your reply.

[@om617yota7]

Great video, great heater! Going to look into this, my main issue with pellets has been requiring power, and this handily solves that. Have you tried burning other alternative fuels? Cherry pits, corn, etc?

[@anesthesiadreamin]

I have not, but a couple other commenters have asked about that. And I have to admit I didn't know you could burn those

[@om617yota7]

@@anesthesiadreamin The alternates might be lower cost than pellets. Corn that isn't fit for food or feed, etc. I only know that some pellets stoves are multi fuel, definitely check with the manufacturer on yours. I was really excited to find your video. The only other non-powered pellet stove I know of had pretty bad reviews and spotty reliability. Thank you for filming+ posting.

[@anesthesiadreamin]

@@om617yota7 IDK where you are located, but the "gamera" is made in Europe, not sure if they ship it to the US. I think it has a pellet option as well. U might check some videos out on that brand, I have never used it, and don't know much about it, but I definitely know I love this liberator 👍

[@om617yota7]

@@anesthesiadreamin Thank you! I'm in the USA, and will check!

[@meslapin]

Its the toech not the gass. As you point out the gas temp is not much hotter, but the torch you have on the blue bittle is much lower btu than the pro torch you habe on the map bottle. Swap torches on the bottles and youll see the blue out oerform the yellow.

[@anesthesiadreamin]

thanks, I discovered that last week! And you are exactly right, the propane flame burns just as big. Thanks for your comment! Cheers

[@hithere7382]

You should put a 24 or a 30" wall fan on the wall to do what you said around 17:00.

[@richarddowner4292]

I'm a little worried about back burn.. could catch the hopper on FIRE. just a concern. other than that , it looks Great. I have a Harmon pellet stove, That I have been heating My Whole house, with Just pellets. I have been heating it with NO OTHER HEAT SOURCE for 15 years.. yes the Issue is, 1= it does use Electricity, 2= buying the Pellets Is Now More Expensive per bag (40 lbs). that and The BIDEN prices of Fuel, and Major Increase of Electric bills. your Idea with this stove is sounding Better, and Better... just wish I could make my own Pellets????? GREAT VIDEO THUMBS UP, And THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME!!!!

[@anesthesiadreamin]

I've thought a lot about back burn also, But I never hear about it with the properly designed sizes of feed tubes and burn tubes. As long as the air supply is coming from above the burning pellets, the flame Burns upside down, and the draft keeps it pulling that way. When you burn cord wood on this (pellet Hopper off), you're burning 18 to 24-in long sticks , and they just burn at the bottom , they never burn back up the burn tube, and the burn tube is open at the top. But yeah, I get it, I still worry about it. Cool to hear about your pellet heater, we've thought about putting one in another part of the house. A commenter from Europe mentioned this morning how expensive energy cost is over there, IDK how it compares, but it is frustrating. The two things we really like about this are fuel versatility (pellets sticks scrap wood, cord wood) and the fact that we can cook on top of it. Hey thanks for your comments and your feedback 👍

[@spacedmanspiff1543]

Low probability of back burn as long as the feed tune pressure differential is negative...ie it wants to draw air through the feed tube. Rocket stoves are designed to make that happen with the feed air blowing across the burn basket. It would take quite a while to get up the tube into the hopper.

[@hithere7382]

This thing was tested to two different UL standards for wood burning and an ASTM test for solid fuel heating appliances/pellet stoves.

[@christopherorlando2180]

I wounder if a car throttle body would work for air intake control.

[@tomjohnson7508]

If you get one of those fans that converts electricity from heat you can blow the heat off the top pushing the heat downwards instead of rising

[@simonmusgrovewethey]

They don't work. Good for looking at, educational for children but that's it. The amount of electricity produced is only sufficient to turn a fan whose blades are not designed for air flow.

[@simonmusgrovewethey]

@@tomjohnson7508 You are refering to the Peltier effect where heat is converted into electricity / thermoelectric effect. Sadly the amount of electricity produced is typically only sufficient to rotate the blades on an electric motor but not enough power to move air. These fans are excellent teaching tools but useless as a practical fan. Most are located on a wood stove or similar where natural air convection is greater than anything a Peltier fan can manage.

[@Kent-pb2jl]

I'm curious what the efficiency is. I've thought about adding a pellet stove in my MIL suite but after researching it seems heat pumps are cheaper to run until you hit maybe 15-20F, depending on COP.

[@anesthesiadreamin]

Yes I have never done the math. This purchase was for fuel versatility and to be able to work without power. We ALMOST put heat pumps in

[@Kent-pb2jl]

@@anesthesiadreamin DIY mini splits are $1500 for 24k BTU, no vac lines that thread on.

[@edgewood99]

If its a rocket stove...and really so efficient...does it need a chimney clean?

[@anesthesiadreamin]

Time will tell! We inspected the chimney after one month of burning, it had a fine layer of dust accumulated on the inside, barely noticeable. I have heard people that use home made rocket mass heaters clean theirs but just out of abundance of caution and usually get very little buildup out... Liberator recommends having the chimney cleaned twice during the burning season. Great question, I am going to make a "youtuber questions answered" video soon, and I will include this one in it. Thanks for watching, and for your question!

[@jimc1401]

I thought this was a video on how you built the pellet heater

[@anthonyh9990]

Run you box fan blowing the colder air into the room with the stove. The colder air will be low to the floor, then that air will be heated, rising, Circulating back towards the other rooms.

[@anesthesiadreamin]

OK! Smart!

[@anesthesiadreamin]

Because right now I'm just shoving cold air down the hall into the bedrooms

[@putheflamesoutyahoo1503]

so the hopper and feed channel holds exactly 1 40 lb bad of pellets? Need to know some reference

[@anesthesiadreamin]

Sorry I didn't make that clear, the hopper and feed tube can hold a little bit more than 1 40 lb bag, in other words one 40 lb bag fills up the hopper to about 1 in below the top edge. So you could squeeze a bit more in

[@ADKhighpeakskier]

Well you are using electricity, 2 fans to move the heat. A pellet stove uses 2 fans, one for combustion and one to move the heat plus the auger motor but you use a lot less pellets than I do. I'd still like to know how many pound in a 24 hour day. I would burn it 24 hrs that what I do with my Harman pellet stove.

[@anesthesiadreamin]

Yes! Technically we are using electricity to move the hot air around. But if the power goes out, the stove doesn't stop, and that's why we wanted this one. A regular pellet stove would be a lot less maintenance, a lot easier, and a lot more consistent. This one is not thermostat controlled. Hey, thanks for the good idea, I should do a quick video on what you suggested! Thanks for watching and for your comments 👍

[@PhoenixDown99999]

​@@anesthesiadreaminhat you need is a sterling engine powered fan. As long as the stove is hot the fan blows.

[@garryhiggins8443]

ty for sharing. Whats the cost of pellets in that area? Per bag and per ton? for the quality you like to use.

[@anesthesiadreamin]

Cost in SW Montana: Lignetics is about $6 per bag, labeled "soft wood" but seems a bit dustier IMHO. The only other brand I've used is Rocky Canyon, labeled " premium fir pellets"about $8 a bag, but burns noticeably longer, somewhat less Ash, and definitely not dusty when filling up the hopper. So lately we've been buying the Rocky Canyon. Another KZbinr you may have seen by the name of "firelight" who also makes videos on the Liberator Rocket heater, uses Purcell brand premium fir pellets.

[@anesthesiadreamin]

So during the very coldest months, like late December, January, early February, we are burning about a bag a day. Now that it's March, we're burning about one half a bag a day.

[@NOSUBSCRIBERSWANTED]

0:32 A glitch in the matrix? Did you see that creature disappear and reappear? Strange, very strange pet you have there.

[@anesthesiadreamin]

@@NOSUBSCRIBERSWANTED Yes, and that doesn't just happen in video editing, it happens in real life! That dumb dog can disappear and reappear anytime it wants

[@TheWingnut58]

Why do you shut it down at night?....and what's your overnight heat source?

[@BiNumLi]

So there is just a stack of pellets sitting on top of the burn chamber and rising all the way up to the pellet feeder? I would worry about CO2 leaking upwards into the house. Most pellet stoves have a pellet feeder that dispenses pellets down a tube every minute or two. While not dispensing the feeder tube is sealed shut. This requires a timing mechanism and an electric lever to open and shut. It adds cost and more things that can go wrong. But you do not want CO2 in your house.

[@timothyblazer1749]

It's a rocket stove... it's physically impossible for CO2 to back draft while it's burning, FYI.

[@shanec.7105]

Question is, what is the cost of the pellets? Dependent on a company or source where logs can be sourced for free.

[@anesthesiadreamin]

@@shanec.7105 pellets cost me between $6 and $8 a bag in my area. That's a 40 lb bag. That burns about 24 hours. I just bought 2 ton pallet of pellet bags, 50 bags, at 40 lb each. That will last me almost 2 months of continuous burning. Cost is about $375 for the pallet of pellets when bought in bulk. I used to get my firewood for $20 a cord, that was permits to cut logs, I would cut about three cords of trees down, which took a solid long day. Bring it home, then spend another day bucking all those logs. Then spend another 2 days splitting all that wood and stacking it. So at least 4 to 5 long days of very hard labor. That would get me through about 3 months of constant burning. It's way easier just to buy the pellets, bring them home, unload them off the trailer and put them on my porch with the forks on the tractor. Many places will deliver them also. So for me it's just a transition, I'm getting older, and it's so much easier just to use the pellets. I dump them in once, and forget about it all day. Wood stove I have to feed every hour or two, cuz we only have pine in this area, so it burns pretty quick. I'm interested in a pellet machine, which some people make on their own, you can buy them, and then use saw dust or wood chips to make your own pellets. But of course you can burn split wood in this liberator rocket heater also, it's just you have to feed it pretty often

[@flastname560]

17:54 I'm going to buy one for my garage Thank you

[@douglaspohl1827]

$1400? UL APPROVED means home insurance if stove/fireplaced allowed... Winner (but ash must be cleaned out when refilling hopper)

[@baraemanuel8469]

Ce distanta este intre capatul tevii cu peleti si cosul de ardere (din poza facută in interiorul sobei nu pot observa)

[@mayamachine]

thanks I'm looking at getting one of these, for pellets and maybe modified to burn waste oil.

[@anesthesiadreamin]

I've been wondering about waste oil, the only thing is I think we'd have to be careful about how much, because liberator says running temps over 700° can cause the internals to wear out faster. So you need to control how much heat the oil burning is making. Typical oil burners have A lot of heat go right out the chimney, and the rocket heater like this one traps all the heat in the top, so it can get pretty dang hot. If you do this, I'd love to see a video on it!

[@anesthesiadreamin]

But also, I just remembered, their instructions say to not use any kind of accelerants. So I'm sure it would void the warranty 🙂

[@jumbopatterson]

Volume or weight of pellets, unless you are going to count them individually ;)

[@anesthesiadreamin]

Thankyou! Yes. That will be part of the next video. I like the way u said that 🙂

[@risingequinox3093]

I guess the fan uses power. A new powerered pellet stove has a thermostat that turns it on and off to maintain a desired temperature. At six bucks a bag for pellets that saves money and makes this whole thing kinda weird.

[@anesthesiadreamin]

@@risingequinox3093 I totally get what you're saying. What we like about this is when the power grid goes down, we don't have to fire a generator to run the electric pellet stove. I do miss the thermostat control. And yes, you were right, fans do require electricity to move the heat around, but if we don't have power, this will still run. And we can run it on sticks or cord wood also if we don't have pellets. So it just made sense for us. We've had to use it twice in the past 6 months for power failures, and it's been really sweet. And right now, we're using it around the clock because the electric fan in our central heater went out, and the repairman hasn't been able to get here for 2 days. So I am loving this thing. But we have talked about buying a regular pellet heater that runs on electricity to replace the propane fire insert

[@risingequinox3093]

@anesthesiadreamin I agree that having one for no power is great. However, the new stoves make life really great. The old ones that ran all the time kept the house too warm most the 5ime and used way more pellets. New ones use way less and are comfortable. Pelpro pp130 is under a grand at tractor supply

[@anesthesiadreamin]

@@risingequinox3093 how much do you burn a day?

[@risingequinox3093]

@anesthesiadreamin on days below 30 a bag a day in an 1972 mobile home with additions. Below 20 2 bags. 30 to 40 aboutv1/2 to 3/4. Hardly 1/4 bag above 40. Went from 3 to 4 ton with the old kozi stove to less than two, closer to one and a half with the pp130

[@MrSprintcat]

​@riyes but how long will a pp 130 last ?singequinox3093

[@ximan09]

Do the pellets ever bridge/clog in the feed tube? Thanks.

[@anesthesiadreamin]

As long as the "cut off plate" is fully removed, the pellets feed fine. When we light it, you pull this plate out so the pellets fall down the tube into the burn basket, and I have tried to ~barely~ leave the plate inserted so I don't have to put it on the floor, but that seems to disrupt feeding (sometimes, not all the time). Also, if we try to pack pellets into the hopper, like we over fill it and push them down to try to get the lid closed, then they will jam. So just dump a bag in, don't spread them out all even and level, don't overfill it and try to compact them into the hopper. Today it's been running since 6am, now 9:30pm, haven't touched it since 6AM, not one issue, feeding fine. Great question, I should add that into a follow up video. Thanks for watching!

[@Ordog213]

i think this stove would work great with used cooking oil. A small fire pan on down in the draft pipe, a tank on top to gavity feed a dripper.....good to go

[@n.b.p.davenport7066]

Put a damper in your pipe and you can lower the draft and hold the heat down.

[@anesthesiadreamin]

@@n.b.p.davenport7066 🙂 Good advice! I actually just released a video yesterday on doing that exact thing. Be sure to check out my newest video. There is a link at the end of this video that will take you to it. I always appreciate the comments and suggestions 👍

[@commonsensehomestead]

I have found it better to use the fans to blow cold air towards the warm room. Moves tie heat much better

[@anesthesiadreamin]

You are not the first person to mention this in the comments! This is why I love youtube, I learn (and others learn also) soooo much from the commenters who have different/more/better experiences than I do. BTW I found your channel and subscribed👍

[@donaldtaylor5358]

Why don't you make a sliding damper like on a grill

[@anesthesiadreamin]

@@donaldtaylor5358 I think that's a great idea! I'm not sure if I like adjustability as much as I like the consistency of a pre- drilled plug. I just slap the plug in and it burns right about 450. But I guess with an adjustable intake, I could put marks on it, that way I could set it for a desired temperature. But actually this fall I totally changed it up , I put a cold air intake on it, that's the next video in this series, the link is at the end of this video you just watched.

[@Drizimar1]

Did I miss it? About how much weight in pellets would you burn in a 24 hr period? In a 0 Fahrenheit day / night

[@anesthesiadreamin]

@@Drizimar1 sorry, maybe I didn't make it clear, one bag *almost* fills the hopper to the top, and runs for about 24 hours. So one 40 lb bag lasts almost 24 hrs. This is with the intake throttled back, One side plugged , the other with five holes in the plug. So it burns this rate consistently no matter what the outside temperature is, and seems to keep our house warm whether it is below zero or above. The only disadvantage is this is not thermostatically controlled like a regular electric pellet stove, so with this one you can't keep the temperature exactly as 72, it can get a lot warmer. And obviously if you let more air flow through it, it will get even hotter. I'm working on a video of lessons learned, should be coming out in the next couple months. Thanks for your good question!

[@Drizimar1]

@@anesthesiadreamin thank you😀

[@Mstred]

You never actually said how many bags of pellets the hopper held.

[@anesthesiadreamin]

@@Mstred You are exactly right! It holds a bag plus about 1/5. Be sure to check out my last video on this exact topic, where I explain some things I didn't in the first one, and answer some questions, and talk about people's advice in the comments. The link is at the end of this video you just watched. Thanks for your comments

[@hobbychameleon1024]

You could use a ecofan on top for quieter air movement and no plugs needed

[@anesthesiadreamin]

I've seen those, do they move air very far? Maybe it depends on the model. We're trying to move hot air down the hall and into the bedrooms. But an Eco fan would be sweet if we ever lost power. Thanks for the recommendation, and for watching 👍

[@RenaissanceThinking]

Love my Ecofans. They work great as long as you are realistic and consider the basics of thermal currents.

[@sarahloy2699]

I have one and love it but it is only circulating a small fraction of the big fan you have.

[@ideasytnow]

Regarding the amount of ash you removed from the ash compartment. That does not look like the correct volume of ash for 12 hours of burning. It may be possible that some ash is floating with the exhaust and ending up inside the inner barrel. Is there a way to open the outer barrel once a year to access the inner barrel for a full clean out and inspection?

[@anesthesiadreamin]

Yes, i have taken the chimney pipe off the back, got about a cup out of the heater and bottom of pipe, and thats with one month of burning. Keep in mind this burns very completely, part of the rocket design is constant secondary burn so very little ash with pellets, but somewhat more with burning wood/paper with this same heater. And yes, the newest design allows you to take the top off to access the vertical burn chamber, which for me is a waste of time because it is always perfectly clean. But like i mentioned above, some ash does fall into the main chamber (outside the vertical burn tube) but i just clean that out from the back when i take the bottom of the chimney pipe out to check it

[@ideasytnow]

@@anesthesiadreaminThank you for a clear informative explanation.

[@Bigredkarl]

Put some paper in befor the pellets so you dont waste so much propane. For my coal stove i start with propane i use it for maybe 1 to 2 seconds on a good day

[@anesthesiadreamin]

Wow! I'm going to have to play with some options for sure. Thanks for the tip 👍

[@gw10758]

I am not sure you really want to run your stove at 700F.... metal tends to warp, weaken and deform at those temps.

[@anesthesiadreamin]

you are exactly right! Liberator staff told me a couple weeks ago that optimal 450-650F, higher wears things out faster, and lower than 450 is suboptimal burn and creosote formation. Thanks for watching and for your input 👍

[@earlneville3895]

Great video

[@jws3925]

Why do you shut it down at night?

[@anesthesiadreamin]

I should have made that clear initially, sorry. Explained in detail in my second video "Your questions answered", link is at the end of this video you just watched. Or you can find it on my channel under the playlist "liberator".

[@PsychNurse.]

Amazing 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@staudtj1]

Dam . . . It's so cold outside your house . . . the deer are frozen . . .

[@anesthesiadreamin]

@@staudtj1 I know! It's kind of crazy how they move so slow when it's cold. They just stand around like WTF is happening? Where's the Sun? Where's the grass?

[@rhinomite5203]

Love the idea but dang it's ugly, and no electricity???? what do the 2 fans run off a battery bank? super cool heat no matter

[@anesthesiadreamin]

Yes, you're exactly right on both points 🙂 looks versus function, function gets way more points. And yes, we use fans to circulate the heat around the house, but the point of course is a regular pellet heater needs electricity to actually make heat, ie to feed pellets into the fire box. This one does not, it feeds pellets by gravity. Any heater requires electricity to circulate the air throughout a big house, including propane heater/wood stove/rocket/pellet stoves. So yeah, when the electricity went out this winter, and it was minus 41 outside, it was sooooo nice having this keep running and running, and no worry about electricity. We miss a lot of things about our wood stove, one of the things is seeing the big fire inside and kind of makes you warm just looking at it. But this liberator thing is so easy, we just fill it, start it, and we don't touch it for 16-24 hours until it runs out of pellets

[@kylebromley6066]

Have you tried burning coal?

[@anesthesiadreamin]

@@kylebromley6066 i have not. Of course they only recommend burning wood products. My guess is the coal burns too hot and would melt out the mild steel the stove is made out of, and also burn out the liner pretty quickly. Maybe in small amounts? IDK

[@jesusloveisrael]

I don't know how to put anything on KZbin at all .I do have one of my vents flex line going to the floor my damper on stove pipe is about 3 ft up .I bought some stuff for pellet stove on Amazon for creasole . Had the pipes everything smoked bad .Took the top off clean it out it back on started smoking everytime I start it up for about 2 minutes not bad

[@bobbusch3817]

A homemade rocket stove or bought?

[@anesthesiadreamin]

This one is UL listed, you can buy it from rocketheater.com. I always wanted to make my own, but getting the proportions correct is challenging, and I just don't have the time to do it. I thought this Heater was expensive, but buying a new wood stove can cost the same, or even more dependent on the brand

[@evvie01]

Question: Why not use paper and kindling?

[@anesthesiadreamin]

Yes! It will run on kindling, but it requires feeding every 30 minutes to 1 hour, depending on how hard the wood is that you have available. Check my playlist "Liberator" on my channel, you will find some shorts where we burned wood in it right after we bought it. But since have switched to pellets just because we light it and it will run without attendance for almost 24 hours straight. the big advantage to this one is "FUEL VERSATILITY". kzbin.info-rqTv2flhcM

[@evvie01]

@@anesthesiadreamin I like versatility. I think I didn't make myself clear enough. I meant to use the kindling only to start the initial fire so you wouldn't have to use the torch. Plus I think the fire area might be a little to large, and the steel might cool too quickly for small sticks from the yard. Almost better to go to a Rocket Mass Heater for fuel conservation, but they are generally big, and bulky. But they do have more compact ones now.

[@anesthesiadreamin]

@@evvie01 Aha, I see, I have never used a small fire to start the pellets, but that would be a valuable skill if propane not available. I saw one guy use parrafin impregnated with wood shavings and lamp oil to start his pellets. I tried that but wasn't very successful. And yes, we hope to add some "lighter" thermal mass (this is a manufactured home) at some point 🙂 Can I ask - What "more compact ones" do you mean? just a smaller mass bench? please share

[@evvie01]

@@anesthesiadreamin I replied to this earlier, and posted it. I think someone took it down. I don't know if it was the Author or KZbin either way it didn't stay. I mentioned another website and added a video link. Perhaps they are frowning on that. I will have to not do that in the future. I like Permies though and hope people know about them otherwise. It's really odd though the link glowed blue and everything, I thought it was okay.

[@anesthesiadreamin]

@@evvie01 IDK friend, I don't delete posts unless they are vulgar. But even if they are critical of me, I leave them and usually learn from them as well. But I do know about Permies! That's how I first discovered rocket mass heaters, Paul Wheaton, Erica Weisner (IIRC), great people spreading the good news. I built a thermal mass greenhouse (truly passive) and Permies made a link to it. I was planning on putting a RMH in the greenhouse, but found that it never froze inside (build like an earthship so mid 40's F inside even when it was -31F outside) so I didn't need the RMH. That build is on my channel titled "Thermal Mass Greenhouse". Feel free to try to repost. I don't know what KZbin's algorhythm is for posting links, but I would like to see what you wanted to link

[@wobdeehomestead]

Any plans to add some thermal mass to the exhaust?

[@anesthesiadreamin]

Yes! Only issue is this is in a manufactured home, so we have to be careful with weight. I have a couple ideas, so we do plan on building a mass bench. Thanks for watching, and for the obvious question that I should have addressed in the video!

[@bli3366]

@@anesthesiadreamin Uncle Mud has some nice ideas with that, check some of his videos out.

[@anesthesiadreamin]

@@bli3366 actually it's a couple of his ideas that I will be doing, he's a smart guy, and put a lot of thought into what he's done with his liberator and other rocket mass heaters 👍 thanks for watching, and for your comments 🙂

[@hazlox]

the yellow bottle has a better torch jet that the blue one thats why ot gets hotter. wider flame.

[@anesthesiadreamin]

Yes! Shortly after I made this video I switched bottles, and the blue propane bottle seem to burn just as hot as the yellow with the bigger torch. So that will save some money for sure. Many people do read the comments, so thanks for watching, and for your contribution to the knowledge base 👍

[@mauriceupp9381]

It must really be cold out there those deer look like they were frozen solid

[@anesthesiadreamin]

😂😂😂 I know! They almost look fake. But it really wasn't super cold that day. Before I shot this video, we had minus 41 here (the day after we installed this rocket heater), and the power went out for 3 hours, it was so nice having this heater keeping us warm 👍

[@phillipErskine-jk1jt]

Wouldn't it be more efficient to have a heat activated fan for wood stoves on the top. They make them friend.

[@anesthesiadreamin]

Absolutely. But I don't think they move the air all the way down the hall into the bedrooms. But that's a guess, cuz I've never used one 🙂 But I could use them in conjunction also if needed 👍 thanks for watching, and for your comments

[@phillipErskine-jk1jt]

@@anesthesiadreamin well as a person that lived off grid I learned of them and being on top that stove you maybe able to rig up a double fan. I even learned to cook on my wood stove. A good Dutch oven on that top would make great eats. Lol

[@phillipErskine-jk1jt]

@@anesthesiadreamin Just money saving things that is after the initial purchases that is.

[@anesthesiadreamin]

@@phillipErskine-jk1jt we just started cooking and baking on top! Fun stuff! But you're right, I should have a couple of those fans in case we lose power

[@keithparent8970]

Maybe I missed it but do you use this 24/7 or only while you are awake?

[@anesthesiadreamin]

Almost always while we're awake. But it can run 24/7, we did run it overnight one time, no probs. We shut it down about 9:00 or 10:00 at night, the only reason is then overnight the central propane heat comes on, and warms the bathrooms, which are at the very back of the house, and this heater just doesn't reach them because they are so far away. That way the bathrooms are nice and warm in the morning when we get up 🙂

[@keithparent8970]

Well that's nice I will be looking into these just because no power is needed. Thanks Keith. @@anesthesiadreamin

[@jr0079]

I would paint the wall behind the stove with ceramic paint that would help reflect the heat. I think if you drop temp 68-70F would use less pellets.

[@anesthesiadreamin]

yes, I think you are right. Liberator told me optimal burn temp at the "bullseye" of the top of the heater should be 450-650F, higher "wears things out a bit faster" (i assume they mean the burn chamber liner) and below 450F increases the risk of creosote formation and inefficient running. So if we have to run it at 450F minimum, it would seem that sort of limits how much we can turn down the pellet consumption. I like the idea of ceramic paint, I will have to look into that more. Thanks for watching, and for your comments👍

[@drizitgaming]

Another option would be an old solid chunk of something. I use an old slate table top behind the wood stove in my garage. It both reflects heat away from the wall and into the shop, but also acts as a large thermal mass to help keep the shop warm longer at the end of the day when I stop feeding the fire.

[@anesthesiadreamin]

@@drizitgaming do you space the table top away from the wall? I mean is there a worry of getting the wall too hot if in full direct contact?

[@drizitgaming]

@anesthesiadreamin nope, it acts as a heat shield for the wall. I just lean it against the studs. It's not a finished wall. However drywall being fire proof would be even less worry.

[@jr0079]

What helps as well is to caulk/seal every crack in your home - light switches, outlet plug covers, doors, under kitchen/bathroom sink, pipes under the crawl space like toilet/shower drain. It add 8F degrees warmer I didn't expect that. Before outside temp 25F-28F and inside temp 58F that with over 40 inch of attic insulation but now 66F inside after I caulk/seal.

[@UnfilteredCraftsmanship1022]

I would love to make one like that but put a window to where I can see more of the fire somehow I love watching fire

[@anesthesiadreamin]

@@UnfilteredCraftsmanship1022 yes! Like along the side of the burn chamber. I think the "wiseway" pellet stove has that

[@UnfilteredCraftsmanship1022]

@@anesthesiadreamin I believe it does to

[@danthurman9076]

By code, 2 - 90 degree ells Max.

[@rickykimbrough7112]

u need to design a twist system for air flow

[@Will.i.am.777]

Why wouldn’t you run it at night? Just wondering

[@anesthesiadreamin]

We could run it all night, and have done so, but the only issue is even with fans circulating the air around our 2800 sq ft home it doesn't get to the very back of the house where the bathrooms are, and my wife wants a warm bathroom in the morning. So we let the Liberator burn out about 10pm, as the temp drops in the house overnight the forced air heat (propane) comes on and warms all the rooms, most importantly the bathroom 😁

[@Kent-pb2jl]

Looks like you have a cracked weld on your burn basket.

[@anesthesiadreamin]

Yup, looks like it to me too. So far it hasn't been a problem but may worsen or others may develop, Liberator will supply a replacement, although if you are a fabricator it looks like an easy build

[@Akkillies]

Anyone else see that glitch in the Matrix at the start, I wonder what the agents changed?

[@herbyh369]

These are 2k is it worth it?

[@anesthesiadreamin]

@@herbyh369 I think so, over a wood stove, at least. A new wood stove for our size house would be a few thousand dollars. And of course we have to feed it every couple hours, because all we have around here is pine, and it burns pretty quick. But this pellet rocket heater we can load, and forget about it for 24 hours. It's pretty sweet. I just cleaned it out this fall for the winter season, and it had barely a 16 in of very light ash in the barrel, and all the way up the chimney. I swept it out anyway, probably didn't need to. Also the burn chamber was completely clean. I'll be making a video on that coming out soon. I went to buy another one for my shop

[@djieffe]

how many lb/hr? in avg. 12h. looks like 1/2 pouch. soft wood or hard wood? only to gauge how much i need for one time a day refill.

[@anesthesiadreamin]

So about 2 lb of pellets per hour. 40 lb bag lasts 20 plus hours. I'm using fir, So it's a soft wood pellet.

[@djieffe]

@@anesthesiadreamin thx, useful info.

[@anesthesiadreamin]

Also it depends on how you throttle the intake, ie more airflow burns more pellets but also makes a lot more heat. When it was -20F and -30f we ran it wide open and a bag only lasted about 16 hours, and was 700F on top of the heater. But when it's +20f or + 30f we throttle The intake way down, restrict it, and a bag lasts 24 hrs, and the top of the heater is making 375-425 deg F, which is plenty of heat, sometimes we have to shut it off during the day because it's too hot LOL, like when it hits 80 plus degrees in the living room 🙂

[@djieffe]

@@anesthesiadreamin did you tried with chipped wood to see how it feed to combustion chamber?

[@anesthesiadreamin]

@@djieffe Yes, the first two days we use it we used 1 to 1 and 1/2 in wide cord wood about 16 in Long. It burned a lot hotter, but we had to feed it every 30 minutes with three or four sticks. Check out my other videos on my channel under the playlist "liberator"

[@johnchristensen5871]

Put the torch head from the map gas torch on to the propane bottle, The torch head you have on the propane bottle is cheap junk

[@anesthesiadreamin]

@@johnchristensen5871 Yes! I figured that out about 2 days after I made this video 🙂 so now I can use the good torch on the cheaper gas, and it works just as well. I'm making an upcoming video on people's comments, cuz I learned so much from the commenters, so thank you for your good feedback 👍

[@eremoshomestead7406]

How much does the hopper hold?

[@anesthesiadreamin]

just over one 40 lb bag. So when it's empty, I dump one full 40# bag in it, and it fills it up to about 1 inch below the top edge