ANGEBALL: Too Risky or Tactical Genius?

[@TheIrishHotspur]

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[@jaymac6831]

Dave and Jack..another great breakdown. You both have a grasp behind what Ange is trying to do tactically. From the high line to the inverted fullbacks to the zonal marking etc there is a solid coaching methodology behind all of it. It's unfortunate that many fans lack an understanding of the components of modern attacking football and also believe the many tropes floating about the Internet...COYS.

[@TheIrishHotspur]

Thank you JayMac! That's very kind of you to say. At the end of the day, we're all entitled to our respective football opinions, but I wish there was less of the accusatory "negative" vs "positive" stuff. It's all just opinions and we should accept that. (Jack)

[@jaymac6831]

@@TheIrishHotspur 100% Jacko...agreed.

[@Charlie_E_]

David talks a lot of sense. Breaks down the situation logically and articulates his arguments well. Keep it up boys. Don’t get caught up in the nastiness online atm. Keep it up

[@TheIrishHotspur]

Thank you Charlie! That's very kind of you to say. (Jack)

[@robertbslee4209]

The difference is that all the other managers DON'T always run a high line, even Pep doesn't do that

[@FF-ti6xu]

@@robertbslee4209 yes totally agree! Ange fan boys kept saying everyone play a high line but go and see Slot and Pep high line its not 90mins high line, they change according to the match progress.

[@davidmcgeoch9387]

Am pretty sure he does do it most games. Also- Pep’s not in a building stage of his squad at the moment. You’d probably find in his first couple of seasons he was pretty strict to his principles. Back then- a lot of pundits were saying he couldn’t play his style of football in the Premier League ⚪️👍

[@cxveeeee9311]

@@robertbslee4209 just copying Pep mate

[@shottskies]

@@cxveeeee9311correct.

[@kevinroberts6795]

The tactics are right it’s the execution that’s failing us. If we had scored from a quarter of the chances we created on Sunday we would have won the game 5-2. Would the Ange out brigade be complaining then? Stick with it we will get there the last thing we need is to change the manager again!

[@StatesideFooty27]

I understand the urgency of Spurs fans. We haven't won a trophy since 2008 and haven't won the league since 1960/61. You see Manchester City dominate every competition. You see Arsenal and Chelsea spending billions of pounds on players, and you want that for Spurs. But this project with Ange was going to take at least two full seasons to rebuild. Look at where we were when Ange took over. He had to essentially rebuild the starting XI, and then build a foundation around that. But, they've been aggressive getting rid of players that were eating up a ton of money on the wage bill that needed addressing, and the incoming players are brilliant. I expect Spurs will address the defensive depth problems this January and bring in a ball hawking 6 as well. But next summer you will see the big signings to finish this rebuild off. Within the next five years, Spurs will win the Premier League with Ange at least twice

[@geoffstern7652]

Ange will be sacked before the seasons end!

[@StatesideFooty27]

@@geoffstern7652. I strongly disagree. You don't spend the money Spurs have, the investment made in Ange to sack him in a knee jerk reaction

[@geoffstern7652]

We've had a quarter of a century of Loser Levy knee jerk reactions! Ange will quite simply be the undermining control freaks next...

[@darrenfearon4288]

The fans complaiing about the high line have not got a clue , they acting like Ange has created somthing ridiculous but Man city play a very high line so does Liverpool. I dont see the high line a problem more of a leadership problem, if our defenders were more vocal and dont put up with lazy defending and some players being lazy to press we would not have a issue, the high line is deployed if you want to dominate possesion and pin the opposition and suffoicate the oppositon if it s empoyed right.

[@eljefe6627]

@@darrenfearon4288 It’s insane!!! let’s just get Conte, Nuno or Jose back 😂😂😎👍

[@WalkingFiriri-z2x]

Man they play high line but they don't play suicidal halfway higline like us we always give opponents spaces to score against us. Most of the time Romero or vdv recovers for us other then we give them easy goals

[@genesisfox9]

Man City and Spurs in the same sentence.😅😅😅

[@eljefe6627]

@@genesisfox9 City is the bar, NO????!!! Are slow or dumb! Who should I compare with? Lol

[@darrenfearon4288]

@@eljefe6627 excatly some of our fan base has a memory of a gold fish lol

[@Yastrogenertran]

Say whatever you want but this gives me a reason to watch football. Even the Newcastle game and almost all the games last season, regardless of the heartbreak you get from losing, it gives you 90mins of excitment. I absolutely hated conte and mourinho ball to the core. You aint winning either... whats the point? Might as well watch a suicidal football that at least gives you value for the 90mins you set aside despite your busy schedule. Will it give you success? Only God knows. But thats not the reason why i watch football. I watch it for the entertainment

[@peterkehagias]

Well said mate I think there is a method to his madness

[@melvyngreen2618]

Absolutely

[@TheIrishHotspur]

It does feel like it's forgotten just how good we look going forward. We just struggle to finish the moves off which is a different problem entirely. We create excellent moves to get into the right areas to hurt teams. (Jack)

[@miktoh]

No, it isn't risky......it's not perfected yet only 60%.....when it is 80% to 90% and all the players clicked smoothly then we are playing to win handsomely....at this moment i would say it is tactically sound but physically unsound, too many mistakes and error in front of goal.

[@bridgetdoyle1620]

Talking sence Dave. Good Work.

[@TheIrishHotspur]

That's very kind Bridget! (Jack)

[@TooDarnSoulful]

That organisation at the back falls RIGHT on Ange and what he does in training, that is his bag and it is just NOT good enough, he is getting an easy ride for Sunday league defending !

[@peterkehagias]

Lol lol lol lol lol lol lol you haven't a clue lol lol lol

[@TooDarnSoulful]

@@peterkehagias Look at your comment, what are you saying ? Nothing you could not even argue my point einstein 😆🤣 Who else is responsible the groundsmen, the coach driver 😆🤣 We BOTH know who does not have a clue !!✌

[@ryancouture1436]

Your argument is not enhanced by name calling, in case you were not aware. "sunday league defending" is not an argument, its hyperbole and makes you sound like you don't know what you're talking about. The man has found consistent success in top leagues around the world... this is not amature. Don't get me wrong, my intent is to strengthen your argument and the general dialogue surrounding the club. That said, I agree that training methods and game day preparation are open for criticism. That said, it could not have helped that our two defenders were Romero and Dragusin, one a back up with few minutes in the squad, and the second a player who only recently returned from Int. duties. These sort of contexts, similar to the absence of Solanke and Richie up top, should be considered when constructing a cogent argument.

[@peterkehagias]

@@TooDarnSoulful go play some completive football clown then come and talk shit you fucking experts

[@TooDarnSoulful]

@@ryancouture1436 You cannot expect to do well in this league if as you said "training methods and game day preperation are open to criticism" that sounds very SUNDAY LEAGUE to me. We need to stop concentrating on the language and the words used and be more concerned in what is actually being said. ✌

[@N_Ides]

Regardless of tactics, I care most about winning matches which has been relatively difficult since the first ten games or so of Ange's reign last season. It seems that the take away points are that our players are not good enough to play Ange's style of attacking football and that the wee baldy let us down again this past summer. It's basically the same refrain as was with our previous managers, just the positions where we are lacking differ.

[@TheIrishHotspur]

I think that's fair and honest to admit that all you care about is winning. I think a lot of people who are being critical of Ange should just admit that. Some want to win with a certain "pleasing on the eye" style of play which takes time, while others just want to get to a trophy as soon as possible. I think both of those preferences are completely fair. (Jack)

[@N_Ides]

@@TheIrishHotspur I would hope Ange gets at least three to four years to build a winner, tho he’ll not likely get that if we continue to struggle. The problem is that if our player’s aren’t good enough to play his style and the wee baldy won’t provide the quality experienced players he needs, Ange will either have to change his style to accommodate the players we have or leave/be fired.

[@nosherz]

24 of the goals last season came against bottom four sides, so they accounted for a significant % of the 74 scored overall. We’re playing a higher risk strategy that doesn’t translate to lots of high quality opportunities & goals galore - so where’s the sense ?. It results in us getting mugged by sides smart enough to exploit our weaknesses & Ange shows little sign of being able to adapt & modify it on the fly, to turn games around.

[@LeighRichards27]

If it was tactical genius everybody would be doing it 😉

[@TheIrishHotspur]

Lot of teams employ a high line though and press for pretty much the whole match. (Jack)

[@shottskies]

@@LeighRichards27 great point ! Jack… nobody really though plays anything that’s even close to this style of binary all out attack , give literally zero shits about defense in every single game like spurs currently do.

[@squozenfrozen1645]

There's no tactical genius involved at all. He over-crowds the midfield with both full backs inverting leaving no space for the no.10's like Madders or Kulu to operate. There should also never be only 2 CBs as the last line of the defence. Poch would drop the CDM in and split the CBs to make a 3, Pep only inverts 1 full back and the others shift across to make a 3. No one defends with just 2 at the back, it's ridiculous. My opinion is the best football we've played in terms of balance was against City at home when we had Micky playing LB, the defence dropped 10 yards, only Porro would get really high and Micky would stay deeper more inverting as a CDM rather than a 10. It allowed good defensive structure and control in midfield because the 10, had more space.

[@Kyng-Ace]

@@squozenfrozen1645 what are you saying do you watch the matches Maddison is great how he is playing he has the opportunity to start an attacking anywhere on the field that give us the chance to use more gaps in our opponents but again the finishing is the problem and we need someone a dribbler who puts fear in defenders and can also keep the ball eze is the best player for this and the Romero is sometimes lazy bro and not always on guard that’s what makes him different for other top cbs in the league he need a little bit more hunger in him not recklessness but more of ok I’m going to stop you every chance I get

[@davidmcgeoch9387]

The overcrowding issue is due to the opposition being scared of us and playing a low block. In order to break down a low block you need sharp one touch play, more creativity in attack, more creative set pieces and more shots from outside the box. Notice- that we have actually improved all those areas. We do need a bit more composure with shooting. If we do that we are going to score goals ⚪️👍

[@squozenfrozen1645]

@@Kyng-Ace From what I see he has to drop really deep to pick up the ball and find a pass as there's no space between the lines where he wants to be because the fullbacks are in the way. In Porro's case that's fine because he's got a great shot on him but Destiny is just an extra man who doesn't need to be there - he has always been a great wing back and imo would be better creating width and crossing than congesting the half space where he doesn't do much.

[@taraking9146]

Good input from Jack

[@TheIrishHotspur]

Thank you Tara! That's very kind. (Jack)

[@rickinrio]

Sticking to a philosophy does not mean tactics don’t evolve. You see snippets in the training videos, keepers under pressure with highballs etc… Oh look we were much more solid under the highball set piece at the weekend. just give it time. The errors occur ~ 60mins when fresh attackers come on and we have a tired backline. The tactics will be tweaked, just chill people. Support the team on the field! COYS In Ange We Trust - because we can see the impact in the performances. Remember Conte Insta-fans?

[@reagan187]

@@rickinrio you've bought into it yaaaay!..keep that energy when we finish 13th u spurs top fan u!

[@Hi-I-Queue]

Yeah but we definitely won’t finish 13 th or anywhere approaching that low. The players are bought in and finally we are building the squad organically. So there will be less setbacks than those you can expect to happen at hair brained organisations like Chelsea and Manu where there is NO plan. Let’s see what happens when Solanke gets fully integrated. If he doesn’t work out start the doomsday talk then. In the interim I prefer to be cautiously optimistic.

[@TheIrishHotspur]

I think we've looked very impressive for large periods in all three games, but we've been let down by our forwards which I don't think is Ange's fault. He shouldn't have to play a more defensive system because our forwards can't bury their dinner. We look very impressive in the way we build our attacks and sustain pressure on the opposition. We're just not finishing off our opponents with the good spells we have. (Jack)

[@rickinrio]

@@TheIrishHotspur to be fair I’d like us to move to a back 3 with Radu coming on at 60mins (when winning or tied) to lower the player stress levels for the last 30mins. I think it could be done while holding the high press and maintaining the philosophy. I’m also not sure if Ange isn’t already doing it… but Newcastle Micky was out anyway 🤷‍♂️ but you can bet it’s coming.

[@rickinrio]

@@reagan187 since the 70’s and season ticket holder… so yes actually. How’s life in your mums basement?

[@bryantpck8]

Irregardless of having a high line or not, basic defending is needed with communication within the whole team and among fellow defenders. The best teams in this world will manage any game better than currently what Spurs are doing. As the saying goes, game management is super important.

[@adrianasala2780]

Spot on bro 🙌

[@IamTheStormThatIsApproaching1]

Irregardless isn't a real word, mate. "Regardless" is the word you're looking for.

[@shottskies]

@@bryantpck8 this manager doesn’t teach these players how to defend. How can people criticise so many of spurs conceded goals and ask how badly spurs look on the defensive end over a period of time? This manager doesn’t coach defense.

[@KKB226]

The problem isn’t the high-line, it’s inverting the fullbacks and pushing them into the half-spaces with Bissouma and even Romero having license to push up. We defend with two and sometimes even one CB. For me Udogie and Bissouma don’t offer much in the final 3rd, i’d keep them back and attack with the front 3, the two 8’s and Porro.

[@IamTheStormThatIsApproaching1]

It feels like our tactics demand that vdv and Romero have to play miraculous games or else we won't win. Too much is asked of them every week.

[@markoenrico2684]

Hi Dave ,hi Jack .I believe it is poor leadership in our beloved Spurs .In every work place or in any sports team you need good leadership who can do things that others cannot do. That has vision to give strength, courage and confidence to others who are doing poorly and praise those who are doing well to do even better . Great leadership attracts great respect and knows how to hold it all together

[@psbarrow]

There's nothing wrong with Ange's high line provided you have the right players to apply and enforce it. The second goal against the bar codes was because Ragu didn't hold the line that the others did, thus playing Murphy onside. I'm not going to castigate him for that because he's new, young, and hasn't played much in Ange's system. If VDV had played, then maybe Murphy wouldn't have been onside, but if he had, VDV has the pace to have caught Murphy. But let's get real, we lost because we wasted our chances, and that's on the forwards, as Dave said. As to why we don't have a back up for a defender who has the pace to mop up like VDV does, that's wholly on Levy for not buying one.

[@jurgenbalzan]

The debate around Ange Postecoglou’s future is entirely misplaced. We’ve been down this road before with the likes of Mourinho and Conte, who promised success through 'winning ugly'-a style that sacrificed flair for pragmatism but ultimately failed to deliver the results we craved. Despite the conservative, defensive football that was often painful to watch, we still didn’t win enough matches to be competitive at the highest level. Now, under Ange, we’re playing on the front foot, a style far more in keeping with Tottenham’s tradition of attacking football. As former manager Bill Nicholson once said, "It is better to fail aiming high than to succeed aiming low. And we of Spurs have set our sights very high, so high in fact that even failure will have in it an echo of glory." Yet, just over a year into his tenure, the familiar patterns are emerging-we're still not winning enough games to truly challenge for the league. Even if we suddenly find form, we're unlikely to reach the heights of Manchester City, Arsenal, or even Liverpool. The fundamental issue is recruitment. Critics argue that Ange is just a ‘yes man’ to Levy’s mediocrity, but even if that’s the case, what happens when a ‘no man’ walks through the door? A manager who dares to challenge the status quo wouldn’t last long, because at Tottenham, it’s Levy who calls the shots, and his priorities are clear. Some say Ange deserves more time-but more time for what? More time for mediocrity? We might string together a good cup run, maybe even win a piece of silverware, but it would only paper over the cracks. The harsh reality is that Spurs are no longer run as a football club; they’re a business where profit trumps glory. We saw it happen under Pochettino-reaching the Champions League final and narrowly missing out on the league title should have been the springboard for greater investment and ambition. Instead, Levy hesitated, prioritising profit over progression. The true problem isn’t Postecoglou, the players, or any tactical shortcomings. It’s the profound disconnect between the club’s hierarchy and the heart and soul of Spurs-its fans. There’s no harmony between supporters, management, and players, and even among fans themselves, divisions run deep. The elephant in the room is ENIC, a regime that values financial returns above all else, with a relentless focus on the bottom line at the expense of the club’s historic pursuit of glory. Until that changes, no manager, no matter how talented, will be able to transform Tottenham’s fortunes.

[@StatesideFooty27]

It's not designed for clean sheets. You'll definitely get them from time to time, but Ange's offense is designed to stay in the opposition half. Because if you press, you get the ball close to their goal. Which means shorter runs for your attackers. In the case that opposition keeps the ball, they have the entire length of the pitch to cover to get to your goal. The high line is not the problem. The problem is we didn't have a striker for the last two games. Against Everton, it's not a problem. But against the top 7, you have to bury your chances when you get them. Spurs should've at least drawn vs. Newcastle with Solanke available

[@eljefe6627]

@@StatesideFooty27 if we go 2, 3 up like City does kill the game we’d probably see a lot more clean sheets

[@StatesideFooty27]

@@eljefe6627 You're probably right. We killed off Everton in the first half, which is why it's so important for us to have everyone available or it doesn't work

[@TheIrishHotspur]

I agree that the way we play does not guarantee clean sheets, but it should guarantee more goals than we're scoring. I think we should have scored even more last season than we did and so far that problem is continuing. That's not Ange's fault though, the forwards need to start taking responsibility. (Jack)

[@StatesideFooty27]

@@TheIrishHotspur. Let me ask you Jack, were you expecting Spurs to start the season red hot and in stride? Because I didn't. We're cutting in a new striker who was only with the club a week before the season started, and he got hurt. We're cutting in new depth pieces, but they're young and green. I figured that it would take until matchday 6 before we're firing on all cylinders. We'll get a couple wins and draws, but it would take a few weeks before we're 100% ready to take on the Prem

[@eljefe6627]

@@TheIrishHotspur facts! And Jack if they lose the ball our forwards need to work harder to win the ball back! That’s what Ange wants!

[@sof5930]

Dave still bringing up Kane. I'm sure Ange knew Kane wanted out before he took the job. Good possibility if they forced Kane to stay last season, he'd be playing at another PL club this season after leaving for nothing. Spurs might not have vdv or other signings due to not getting 100m for Kane. There's no point saying "what if ange had kane". He was sold and Ange picked the attackers to replace him. Unfortunate Solanke missed 2 games thus far. But other teams lose players and get on with it. Arsenal lost Timber for all of last season and finished 2nd. Their new midfielder Moreno is already hurt. Chelsea and United had major injury problems last season, that might of helped Spurs get 5th. It's just part of the sport. No team goes a whole season without injuries. It's about building good squad depth to deal with it. I don't think Spurs have better depth this season due to increased fixtures. If you look at the upcoming schedule, we're going to find out how Ange manages match load. He's going to have to start some of his young signings and they'll be expected to perform.

[@shottskies]

@@sof5930 I think this team is going to get very very fatigued even before the end of the season. Three games in and we’ve already seen high levels of exertion just trying to play the style. But then again I guess Ange wants his players to “train and play every single time like it was their last” HIS WORDS so I guess he’s got the motivation for these players all figured out then 😂. He must be confident they’ll run themselves to the point where they’ve got no knees left by the end of the season for his pig headed style.

[@simonfoxhall8604]

It’s not, unless you have a kamikaze, headless chicken, Argentinian, defensive “leader”, going AWOL in EVERY game. VDV usually bails him out. So, we have 2 options; ONLY play Romero when VDV is available; find another VDV (or the equal fastest player in premier league history!). And before I get a load on unintelligent comments about the high line system being at fault: Light Blue Oilers; South London Rovers; Scousers; play with high lines without VDV. However, they have disciplined centre back pairings that work in tandem….

[@stevecombo8731]

For me Dave nailed it with the lack of leadership implementing the high line to make it ineffective and exploitable. Concentration, communication and awareness isn’t quite there. I’d be interested to see when/if Dragusin and VDV how they deal with the high line.

[@Kyng-Ace]

I don’t understand what the problem is tho because everyone use this strategy. We can’t win all the matches we play and it’s 3 games into the season I’m ashamed to be Tottenham fans with these people biggest problem is bad finishers man dem kicking pass the goal on all attempts the only goal in the match for us was a own goal that’s the problem talk about that

[@geoffstern7652]

The Irish Hotspur, what did we win with Harry Kane?

[@Jahno71]

How can 1 player win you trophies ?

[@genesisfox9]

We won in life.

[@geoffstern7652]

I believe we had a full squad during Harry Kane's time at Tottenham...

[@the-icephoenix]

At times the high line high press is needed and useful. But with 'angeball' min 1 till 90 is high press with no defencive know how. Both fullbacks being inverted doesn't work it leaves massive gaps. The biggest issue is we press with the whole team but defend with just vdv

[@SuperSteve101]

He has no tactics.

[@anugranmathimugan2778]

Great points boys . Unai's highline is high lol, yet Arsenal were unable to get behind at Villa Park .

[@coldshot1611]

High line with a back 2 is the problem Pep,Klopp use a back 3 when they use a high line reduces the chances of getting counter-attacked.

[@reagan187]

waiting to hear the narative after Arsenal embarrass us n leave us with 4 points from 12 after just 4 games....

[@reagan187]

@musaemmi_emrairla cry more

[@teodoracupse8255]

cringe at its best... so proud of the "fans" indeed👏

[@reagan187]

@musaemmi_emrairla cry more

[@reagan187]

@@teodoracupse8255 fans can't win games or trophies,il check in on u when Arsenal beat the breaks off us🎯

[@reagan187]

@musaemmi_emrairla cry more sweetheart

[@ryancouture1436]

Why not both? Or even better, neither. Ange ball IS risky, but rather than TOO risky, I prefer tantalizingly risky. Its exciting! Liverpool at home last season. Is it genius? Not particularly...I'd describe it more as audacious. What I'm seeing is a team that is still developing. To a certain extent, that has to be okay. The fact that we have been 'developing' since Poch left is not Ange's or his ball's fault. The notion that this heavily revamped squad would be able to perfect ange ball by the 3rd game of the season seems unreasonable at best. I honestly see us around 70% of the way there. Defensive consistency and cohesion (being able to play an os trap), clinical attacking (put it in the gd net), and mentality (concentration, confidence, ruthlessness) are the three facets that need most improvement. If we are able to iron out these challenges, I believe we will look much less vulnerable to the types of goals we saw at Newcastle. At this point I am still happy to see improvement rather than results. Of course there will be a time when this equation must flip, but it is still relatively early in the project. Love the show. COYS!

[@indianastones6032]

If we take our chances, then these throughballs we get countered with will be irrelivant. Every system has weakness' that can be exploited. Were not gonna be able to stop every counter attack or throughball, do so its about limiting them as much as we can. We need to focus on scoring, if we dont score but manage to stop every counter, throughball or cross in to our box, we drop points cus we drew. Scoring wins games. If we took our chances vs newcastle and everton, nobody would even be asking this question.

[@eljefe6627]

Ange’s Tactics are mustard! He coaches his team to attack, pin the opponent back and create chances. Not one point this season has been dropped due to the “High Line” in my humble opinion. Even last season, I feel we dropped more points from set pieces! If we lose the ball attacking, the plan is to relentlessly press to win it back so we don’t get countered. Our players haven’t mastered that. Football games are defined by fine margins. Ange can “take the players to the water, he can’t help them drink it” 👍

[@eljefe6627]

Defending needs to better in one on one situations also

[@reagan187]

@@eljefe6627 apparently u didn't see the second goal by Newcastle Einstein

[@teodoracupse8255]

finally someone gets it...

[@eljefe6627]

@@reagan187 read what I said properly. EINSTEIN! Both Newcastle’s goals came against the run of play! 1st was from a throw in, defence goes to sleep! 2nd goal came after losing possession, no pressure on Joelinton gave him the time to play the ball to Jacob Murphy! That wasn’t no tactical masterclass! That was smash and grab from Newcastle! We played like under Conte everyone and their grandmother complained; “it’s not sustainable” like I said you can take someone to the water, you can’t make them drink!

[@reagan187]

@@eljefe6627 ok um let me read,quote,not one point this season has been dropped due to high line,unquote..i repeat,2nd goal was due to high line,now u wanna talk about prior to that then u delusional,then we might as well say the goal was because we gave them a throw in when we could have passed it forward or maybe we wouldn't have conceded the goal if the ref blew the whistle 2 seconds earlier to start the half EXCUSES EXCUSES EXCUSES yourl full of,without that high line that balls not threaded threw for the Newcastle player to run on n tap it onto the goal scorers feet EINSTEIN

[@genesisfox9]

No.... Having this Yes Man Bluffer as a Manager is too risky.

[@Jupal-g2o]

Like the high line Romero Lol Ange transfers Solanke Timo Johnson scoring what

[@williamwebb5955]

Ange the best manager they had for years he will deliver, the difficulty is the top three Spend cash, spurs do play an exciting style most other clubs are boring despite how many trophies they win

[@Jahno71]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@richsman9747]

I don’t like to criticise Jack cos he’s such a lovely person but I would argue that teams that play the defensive, low block seem to do well against us 🤷‍♂️

[@the-icephoenix]

Did 'angeball' work vs. Everton? Or did Everton simply not go forward ard and try to score

[@qseven85]

How u doin lads, the problem with the Ange high line is “both” our fullbacks are in the other half when we are doin this with no cdm staying back to help the CB’s. Dave u say u feel sorry for Ange but he’s the same man that says he don’t believe in a number 6, 8 or 10, a CM is a CM so I’m sorry that’s on him and I can’t stand levy trust me lol but that’s anges fault for gettin a gray for that area instead of an established name and remember unless he’s a liar he said he wanted everyone we currently have so clearly he didn’t want that wanyama type mate.

[@anthony75509]

There's so many positive fan's that support the team. Ange has a 4 year contract and as long as the season is better than the last then it's a good season.

[@jjr2574]

Exactly! Don't let a particular 12k subscriber channel and a 26k subscriber channel with a bunch of low-life losers tell you that the whole fan base wants ange out. They aren't the brightest people around.

[@TheIrishHotspur]

Really hope that the board stick with Ange and see this project through! (Jack)

[@ChristianFunwiNeba]

Ange's ball is not a problem generally the players mentality is a problem only the goalkeeper and Romero have that drive... Ange's ball is not too different from what pep does.

[@daniellastuart3145]

you can not play the offside trap standing on the halfway line it going to get beat 8 out or 10 times and another reason why the Spurs high line is not working is because it to high an dyou no space to run in to behind the opposition back line

[@harveyfuqua6633]

Man City sometimes sits deep. They don't play gung-ho always.

[@IamTheStormThatIsApproaching1]

My problem with our tactics is that we always look like we are one moment away from disaster, and that disaster frequently happens. If you can literally see it happening, it should be prevented from happening, but it isn't. Ange will not get top 4 and will certainly not win the league.

[@PhilMossTHFC]

Ange has no idea what he is doing!! After a very flukey 10-game unbeaten start last season, we have shown relegation form mostly since then. How many times have we had to come back from going behind? Can we ever hold a lead? Ange seems incapable of understanding who his best players are or how to balance a team. He is very set in his rediculous gung ho ways of setting up a defence. Does he even know what defenders are there for? Having supported Spurs for 50 + years I can tell you right now this manager is a wrong 'un! COYS!!!

[@FuturesbrightfuturesLillywhite]

Risky or not if we don’t come out the next 4 premier league games with wins especially against arsenal then I think the answer is clear anything less than 7 points I think tells you all you need to know

[@FuturesbrightfuturesLillywhite]

Risky or not if we don’t come out the next 4 premier league games with wins especially against arsenal then I think the answer is clear anything less than 7 points I think tells you all you need to know as for feeling sorry for him he could of signed a CDM he’s chose not too

[@davehamilton9724]

Risky or naive? I'll let you decide

[@shspurs1342]

Both

[@torbjornjohansson1303]

No??????

[@teodoracupse8255]

it will work perfectly in time, you all need to calm down and stop acting like you know better than the manager...nobody ever in the world of football has ever had a so called plan b, that's total bullcrap people are just repeating on the internet... do your job as fans and keep supporting the team because we are far better than we were under Mou or Conte (a period of time you were all crying your guts out for losing the "Tottenham's identity", btw) please don't ruin the plan and learn to behave, otherwise we'll keep on making the same mistakes all over again and we'll never achieve anything...

[@TheIrishHotspur]

I don't think we did any of what you just said in your comment, but maybe I'm reading it wrong. (Jack)

[@beard6160]

Newcastle know how to defeat Tottenham.. just counter.

[@WhatTheFisAngeBall]

Anyone that thinks he is a tactical genius needs to stop watching We Are Tottenham TV and wake up a little bit.

[@shspurs1342]

I call it all or nothing football.

[@seianmulholland6113]

Only those who can't tolerate delayed gratification are whining and whinging. Over-sized toddlers.

[@mafellowes]

The Ange doubters will be silenced.

[@genesisfox9]

When ? 😅😅😅

[@mafellowes]

@@genesisfox9 how about now ? 🤫

[@mafellowes]

🤫🤫🤫

[@mafellowes]

@@genesisfox9 🤫🤫🤫

[@mafellowes]

5 in a row and it’s crickets 🦗

[@palaneproductions7357]

The players are not good enough to play this style AND now they are mostly Anges buy ins.Anges lack of adapting to the opposition is the problem.His offence/high possession cant penetrate good defences.Then the counter comes and the goals.People who perceive Spurs are dominating due to the amount of possession are way off,all spurs are creating is a crescent around the box and taking speculative half chances.Every manager knows how to play against Spurs.A ten game run then mid table performance since then.After the int break a very difficult period of games every 3-4-5 games.I dont expect a good yield in this period.THE pressure is ON!

[@davidmcgeoch9387]

All good. We will have a good yield during that period. Because Ange is a good coach. We just need a bit of momentum. The start of a season is always a bit like this as the players get into a flow ⚪️👍

[@suesmith3744]

Well it’s hardly tactical genius is it 😂😂😂❓

[@kudos4201]

Ange in

[@johnmanifavas2610]

Have faith in Ange

[@internationalobserver..6343]

I only have faith in TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR, not their board (temporary custodians ) their managers (employees) or their players (staff) unless the players achieve HERO STATUS by their performance. The problem with Ange is his LOYALISTS fail to spot that he is and has approved most if not all our transfer activity this summer. He (@irish seems to omit) doesnt recognize the much lauded CDM which his tactics obviously require .He would have bought Gallager . and he would not have solved the defence shield lacking. When pep uses from time to time ,the exact Ange tactics, if he ain't got Rohdri , watch his defence ,HE PLAYS 4 CBs across the back .Just think of those matches where you have wondered , why 4 CBs ? Well in future ,observe how he uses those when he cant pick a CDM.... This is where Ange falls short and ineffect he comes across as an individual who is more insistent on his tactics than spurs winning.... AND AFTER SAYING THAT ,I CAN STILL HOLD LEVY AND THE BOARD TO ACCOUNT. ANGE RUNS THE DAY TO DAY ,PICKS THE TEAM, THAT HAS TO BE JUDGED IN ITS COMPARTMENT. THE MESS THAT IS ENIC AND LEVY IN ITS OWN. HELL ANGE HAS BEEN BACKED FAR MORE THAN ANY FROM POCH TO NOW. POCH MADE CHAMPIONS LGE FINAL AFTER ZERO ADDITIONS.

[@Mase1882]

He’s not a tactical genius at all! Definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again

[@shspurs1342]

I wish your comment was totally wrong.

[@Stee24-7]

​@@shspurs1342It is. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results - what he described is called practicing 😅

[@shspurs1342]

@@Stee24-7 your wrong because Wayne’s comment. Is the same as yours.

[@julianmoerman770]

Practice, work harder be better..same as anyone..we agreed to give him time..Rome not built in a day..

[@rickinrio]

You are clearly not watching the game then… Newcastle scored all theirs from corner kicks like we were losing games last season did they? Life isn’t Instagram. Grow up

[@petehall725]

Conceding over 60 goals in 1 season can never be considered as tactical genius. Funny thing is that it doesn't even take a genius to solve this problem. Just play the defensive line 5 -10 yards deeper and drop a DM in the hole. That alone will pull opposition players into the extra space and make it easier for us to attack. Doesn't even require a coaching badge.

[@Eddie.22]

Postanoclue is an embarrassment 🫣

[@peterkehagias]

That's because you haven't played football at a decent level you talk shit

[@peterkehagias]

Ofcourse he is that's why he is making millions and you are here trying to pull your ball hairs out

[@julianmoerman770]

​@@peterkehagiashahahah classic 😂

[@teodoracupse8255]

not remotely close to the embarrassment of the "fans"