Angelus Paint vs Posca Markers | Which One Is BETTER To CUSTOMIZE SHOES??

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Xavier Kickz

Xavier Kickz

Жыл бұрын

Angelus Paint vs Posca Markers | Which One Is BETTER To CUSTOMIZE SHOES?? - In today's video we test out which one is better angelus paint or posca markers.
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@XavierKickz
@XavierKickz Жыл бұрын
Which One Do You Like More ?
@lolzhallz
@lolzhallz Жыл бұрын
I like the paint more way smooth and not darker in diffrent areas
@THARPIFY
@THARPIFY Жыл бұрын
subscribee jake tharpe plssssssssssssssssssss
@alancalvillo6756
@alancalvillo6756 Жыл бұрын
both
@makgatimaloka8860
@makgatimaloka8860 Жыл бұрын
Angelus paint even though it takes longer while using them
@mamood1783
@mamood1783 Жыл бұрын
angelus
@tonyelleevans3322
@tonyelleevans3322 Жыл бұрын
Angelus needs to come up with a marker line that has the same staying power as the paint. Would be a great chance to make that $$!
@tinapinch7494
@tinapinch7494 Жыл бұрын
They already have markers. The difference is they're empty so whatever color your painting with, you just use 2 thin to thin out the paint so it goes through the pen. I actually like that better because your not locked in to the company's colors. You can make your own.
@tonyelleevans3322
@tonyelleevans3322 Жыл бұрын
@@tinapinch7494 That's actually better even! I had no idea, but now going to go check it out. Thank you for the heads up! I have a pair of all white hi leather chucks just begging to be customized. Lol.
@LampEleven
@LampEleven Жыл бұрын
Posca
@seanw.9617
@seanw.9617 Жыл бұрын
I buy empty Molotow markers and mix my Angelus paint with 2 thin. They have pens as small as 1mm, which is great for those of us who are more comfortable drawing than painting. Great for outlines and touch-ups, and also making custom colors like Tina said 👍🏼
@tonyelleevans3322
@tonyelleevans3322 Жыл бұрын
@@seanw.9617 You're making me want to try my hand at it. Lol. I'm a creative person and can be pretty meticulous, so I think this is something I'd actually be able to do. I like the idea of drawing and/or doodling with the thin markers you mentioned also.
@endlezminis6182
@endlezminis6182 Жыл бұрын
Yes you can use Posca markers but when you're done your supposed to use Angela clear coating to coat it .. I have been Graffiti hand painted jackets t-shirts pullovers since 1982. Now I use them today for jacket's T-shirts ect... Point is clear coating will keep your artwork protected from all types of weather.
@mr.d2himself881
@mr.d2himself881 Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@E3chillout
@E3chillout Жыл бұрын
Does it matter what kind of clear coat you use?
@endlezminis6182
@endlezminis6182 Жыл бұрын
@@E3chillout Angela clear Coating is for fabric,canves but the good thang about it last for ever . When you have Paintedleather jacket, jean jacket, pullovers even shoe's.. and you happen to for get to color a part you can always go back and touch it up even if already been Clear Coated plus Angela's Clear Coat ,it has Matte and it's flexible not stiff. Hope this helps Bro..
@V0ltron
@V0ltron Ай бұрын
I knew it needed something to keep the finish... but now I know.. thanks for the tip!
@twostupidasianonecupnoodle
@twostupidasianonecupnoodle Ай бұрын
thank you for your advice!!
@tanashia411
@tanashia411 Жыл бұрын
As a person that has customized with both I would say the paint is better for the simple fact that it last longer and is better against wear and tear. If you are a person like my I more prefer to do drawing design on the show with fine tipped posca. If you are a beginner I would definitely say go with the paint better to start out with the paint as you will most likely be using more. It also looks cleaner than compared to the markers. Also the markers aren’t designed for shoes while the paint is so go with the paint if you are doing leather shoes. Posca works really well on canvas materials even though they dry out and ruin the markers.’
@tanashia411
@tanashia411 Жыл бұрын
You put finisher on the posca marker Custom after you are done and they will last pretty long
@XavierKickz
@XavierKickz Жыл бұрын
Well Said Tanashia , Thank You 😎
@janemercado4574
@janemercado4574 Жыл бұрын
Pasco will win
@nobody4antedto751
@nobody4antedto751 Жыл бұрын
Posca markers have paint in them
@timf1555
@timf1555 Жыл бұрын
So the markers then put a finisher on it would be great for Vanz type huh
@brianstallings4252
@brianstallings4252 Жыл бұрын
I use both, along with regular Acrylic paint brands mixed equally with GAC 900 Medium for select surfaces when it comes to flexibility.
@XavierKickz
@XavierKickz Жыл бұрын
Me too it’s hard for me to say
@desi8896
@desi8896 Жыл бұрын
I customized my shoes 4 months ago with angelus and I can see that the paint is starting to crack on the sides, but that was probably because I didn't use the right varnish. Otherwise I really like the paint, you can blend more colors and it looks fresh with the vibrant. It's also good if you like your art to be detailed and/or realistic! I do have posca but never used it to customize bc it's too colorful for my taste.
@artirises3567
@artirises3567 Жыл бұрын
if paint is cracking, you didn't prep the shoe right. Cracking paint has nothing to do with varnish. Hope that helps
@desi8896
@desi8896 Жыл бұрын
@@artirises3567 Thanks, good to know but the thing is I used the angelus leather preparer and deglazer at least 2 times on each area ?
@brookel2626
@brookel2626 Жыл бұрын
@@desi8896 u need to acetone it first to get rid of the factory finish
@anonymousydk
@anonymousydk Жыл бұрын
Does the paint stay on leather cracks or it starts to look like earlier after a few uses? Did you wear those shoes on regular basis for 4 months after it started cracking?
@desi8896
@desi8896 Жыл бұрын
@@anonymousydk It's just some small cracks (the paint) caused by the movements I think but it hasn't peeled off yet. I started to notice them the time I wrote the comment. I've worn the shoes everyday since I customized them until now.
@1337Cassie
@1337Cassie Жыл бұрын
I love this video! Thank you! I'm curious about putting a coat of white paint down first on the canvas shoe before doing both types of paint, compared to without as well!
@eliasarts
@eliasarts Жыл бұрын
Awesome video by the way! thanks for the tips
@masontheknifeguy9914
@masontheknifeguy9914 Жыл бұрын
another thing that you can do with Poska markers is a sealant so that way you avoid the rubbing off when wet and the scratch resistance using some type of clearcoat helps with that now granted a lot of my projects are on wood or metal or plastic such as I do, custom skateboards but it should be able to apply to shoes
@keelychriscordero3982
@keelychriscordero3982 11 ай бұрын
This was exactly my question, because angulus paint is leather paint ofcourse it should definitely hold up better but I was wondering if an acrylic sealer would make posca markers Or even acrylic paint hood up closer to leather paint/angulus paint
@vhann14s
@vhann14s 7 күн бұрын
Thank you!!
@RickSmith7479
@RickSmith7479 Жыл бұрын
I love your videos, especially that they are straight to the point and not drug out for an hour. I have been learning a lot from watching you. I am just now getting into customizing shoes. I am a noob, so this may be a dumb question/comment. When you were doing the scuff test and water test, did the shoes already have the cover coat on them? If not, do you think that would have made any difference in the outcome of the test? Thanks.
@taurisdean7424
@taurisdean7424 8 ай бұрын
He didn't clear coat it. Who's going to be scraping their shoe on a exacto knife?
@micheal4450
@micheal4450 Жыл бұрын
man I love your vids cus you just really humble😊😊
@BeatsbyPremebeatz
@BeatsbyPremebeatz Жыл бұрын
Very good video! 👍thanks 4 sharing your experiences!
@masontheknifeguy9914
@masontheknifeguy9914 Жыл бұрын
The way I would look at it is if you’re wanting something with more vibrancy Angelus paint has a better gloss to it. If you’re looking for something to have more of a matte finish, the Poska marker works better but honestly, I would combine the two and just use Angelus paint to do it entire coating or fill in larger areas and then just use the markers to draw my design on and it would have a beautiful contrast to finish and beautiful contrast of color
@lovesaysiloveyou
@lovesaysiloveyou 8 ай бұрын
Also live your video. Straight up n infoagivr n crisp. Keep sharing
@GiovanniNinjago
@GiovanniNinjago 10 ай бұрын
Hey man thank you so much for this video on most of my custom shoes I was using Posca🤩
@J-B876
@J-B876 Жыл бұрын
Appreciate the video. All I want to do is make some skate shoes in the colors I like. You compared and contrasted the two methods perfectly. Awesome video.
@XavierKickz
@XavierKickz Жыл бұрын
Thank you JB!
@bravizturnbull2358
@bravizturnbull2358 Жыл бұрын
If you coat over the market with Angeles clear it would act the same as the paint so that would work well with more detailed stuff anyways
@hypersteerstudios
@hypersteerstudios Жыл бұрын
Great Vid Man New Follower Granted🎉
@user-lr1zw5bg7i
@user-lr1zw5bg7i 9 ай бұрын
do you have to use finisher on angelus paint if you are wearing them and if so do you mix it in with the paint or do you apply it afterwards
@mrs.shirleyhunt4899
@mrs.shirleyhunt4899 Жыл бұрын
From the view of someone who does not customize, draw, or paint…..the paint looks more vibrant and durable. While the pens are not; they do look to be easier to control and manage. But here’s my thought; when you know what you’re doing; like Xavier and the other customizes…..you can make it “do-what-it-do with a paint brush or a pen. Just be careful wearing your customs anywhere. Great video❤️
@XavierKickz
@XavierKickz Жыл бұрын
Thank you Shirley 💙
@jazzyc22
@jazzyc22 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comparisons. Very detailed and well thought out. I will be ordering the Angelus Paint now because of the many pros that you said.
@flowz_style_92
@flowz_style_92 Жыл бұрын
Yooo thanks man sick ,so do you haf Then makers to draw on Then ?
@khiclark31
@khiclark31 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video!
@simpleboy5131
@simpleboy5131 Жыл бұрын
I am brazilian, discovered your channel a few weeks and i love your content❤
@XavierKickz
@XavierKickz Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much
@THXIIIRTEEN
@THXIIIRTEEN Жыл бұрын
*imo I haven’t tested this but I’m really sure the marker paint will hold up just fine if you seal it with a quality angelus paint finisher* I used to make the mistake of restoring my shoes with angelus paint and not adding a sealer so I noticed paint would end up chipping over wear, the sealer as it sounds seals the paint and gives it a strong bond
@stevenmeansphotography3861
@stevenmeansphotography3861 4 ай бұрын
I think so to if you use Angelus clear coat
@michaelatkinson7917
@michaelatkinson7917 Ай бұрын
this ^^ people - like LiquidKicks top coats
@michaelatkinson7917
@michaelatkinson7917 Ай бұрын
oh & the prep e.g. acetone so it bonds
@WarriorSmurf
@WarriorSmurf 27 күн бұрын
Can the two oridycts be clear coated? I used Angelus paints on a leather coaster at an in-store workshop. It was some years back do I don't remember whether I clear-ciated it or not. The artwork on the coaster is still intact, though. Also, you can airbrush with Angelus paints.
@huesterr4220
@huesterr4220 Жыл бұрын
@Xavier Kickz do u use acetone and scratch the shoes before customising?
@PepeDesign21
@PepeDesign21 Жыл бұрын
✨ this Is a super video 🤩👍
@imm311
@imm311 7 ай бұрын
Exllent review and comparison God bless you and yours. Praying for you
@XavierKickz
@XavierKickz 7 ай бұрын
Thank you , I really appreciate it 😁
@annetteflores6678
@annetteflores6678 15 күн бұрын
Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo I DONE THIS ONE I HATE IT!!!
@SarahAllen-ov6km
@SarahAllen-ov6km 9 ай бұрын
Did you prep both the shoes first so the paint would adhere better?
@petenevard1729
@petenevard1729 7 күн бұрын
Bit late to the party on this video but looking at ways to try and repair/ cover up the cracks on my air force 1s - would these essentially cover them? Thinking I may try customising them as well while I’m at it! Great vid btw and appreciate any responses
@TheUpsetter
@TheUpsetter Жыл бұрын
Airbrush paint is another option , but the best paint I've used is Enamel paint from Craftmaster paints UK.
@user-nq2my9ty6t
@user-nq2my9ty6t Жыл бұрын
Carry on, monster ❤❤❤❤❤
@Thebossladystrong
@Thebossladystrong Жыл бұрын
@xavier I’ve been searching for the right airbrush that goes with the compressor you dropped but the links don’t match. It’s still the paintbrush link. 😢😢 and I cannot locate the tape either. Please help ❤️
@saschaaaaaai
@saschaaaaaai Жыл бұрын
I'm planning on customizing a faux leather bag (a rigid one that doesn't have any flexible parts where I paint on) Is it possble to paint with angelus and do linework and details with posca pens (and use an angelus finisher)?
@Stacey-zg4km
@Stacey-zg4km 9 ай бұрын
what if you seal the POSCA pen with a sealer? would it be good for water then?
@phillippierce3438
@phillippierce3438 Жыл бұрын
What about outline the image in posca and then fill-in with angelus paint??? Thoughts
@ClipCityValorant
@ClipCityValorant Жыл бұрын
also what clear coat would you advise for the starter kit?
@caspervandenelshout4577
@caspervandenelshout4577 Жыл бұрын
can you do a test with posca markers when you spray a hard layer over it
@stevenking997
@stevenking997 Жыл бұрын
Posca pens are fine if you don’t plan on wearing the shoe , they don’t hold up , no matter how much prep you put into it .
@sawyercolegaming8328
@sawyercolegaming8328 Жыл бұрын
Do I need to sand the shoe before applying, or putting a finisher on the paint after applied?
@ClipCityValorant
@ClipCityValorant Жыл бұрын
hey man i wanna know so i am buying some vans to customize and based on this video i got my answer to use angelus paint but i also wanna know if i do my 2 layers of angelus paint, will doing a little design with posca markers be good or will it fade and make the angelus paint look stupid when the marker fades?
@9svm
@9svm 8 ай бұрын
bendin it flexin it seein if its gona crack or not fire line right there
@noxeria8945
@noxeria8945 10 ай бұрын
Do you think Angelus paint would hold up well on EVA foam? As well as polyurethane ? I'm looking to paint all in black my EVADICT TR2 trail but can't find anything but Sneakers and I don't know exactly what material they're made of.
@mshanesee
@mshanesee Жыл бұрын
I remember the black Gucci forces 🔥 but I like Angelus better !
@XavierKickz
@XavierKickz Жыл бұрын
Same me too 😎
@fiona3821
@fiona3821 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing? Do you need to prime the shoe
@keelychriscordero3982
@keelychriscordero3982 11 ай бұрын
Did you use any type of Sealant, acrylic sealer on Either the Posca pen or then angulus before you scraped at them??????????? Or did the angulus just hold up that good without any sealer or acrylic finisher???????????
@jamesz1520
@jamesz1520 8 ай бұрын
I wanna make custom nike air max for breast cancer month....i already bought a bunch of posca markers after watching one of your videos....with all these test did you spray the shoe then do the test were these test done before you sprayed the shoe?
@dk.visorz
@dk.visorz Жыл бұрын
THIS HELPED ME CUSTOMIZE MY AIR FORCES!!
@mythhiicc
@mythhiicc Жыл бұрын
I feel like with the posca markers, you have more control with the paint, more than using the brush and having slight imperfections. Though, angelus paint is way more durable, and doesnt chip as much as posca does.
@DaughterofYah77
@DaughterofYah77 4 күн бұрын
Hi Xavier. I have some questions, can you use Posca or Angelus paints on EVA (Ethyl Vinyl Acetate)material sneakers. Which paint is best for the sneakers? Could you test? Please & Thank you, I need your expert advice 😊
@inkman002
@inkman002 8 ай бұрын
Are these paints sealed already or just raw paint?
@tokencarter1086
@tokencarter1086 Жыл бұрын
I wonder if you could use clear coat to make the poscha marker more durable.
@benjaminmann12
@benjaminmann12 Жыл бұрын
I like using both, Angelus is better, but posca makes it easier for me to customize shoes, I'm not that great with a paintbrush Posca does tend to flake sometimes. I wish Angelus had a good market line like posca with very small tips!
@Mari000
@Mari000 Жыл бұрын
I prefer Angelus because it’s made for shoes, but could see myself using Posca for fine lines.
@Thebossladystrong
@Thebossladystrong Жыл бұрын
Love the posca markers because they are easier to use .. the paint is better. But no matter what you do , u kill it EVERYTIME‼️‼️‼️ I love watching your videos! 🎉 Salute
@klutchkutit7349
@klutchkutit7349 Жыл бұрын
That's wassup....I seen these refillable paint pens on Amazon if I needed to draw on a shoe I think I wld try that out with the Angelus paint....thnx for the insight 💪🏾💯🔥
@XavierKickz
@XavierKickz Жыл бұрын
No problem 😎
@makaylamosby1656
@makaylamosby1656 Жыл бұрын
Please do this
@ilynasya19
@ilynasya19 Жыл бұрын
I would prefer the markers🥲 but yes how smooth the paint isss!! It looks wayyyy betterrr!!!😮‍💨🙏🏽
@lovesaysiloveyou
@lovesaysiloveyou 8 ай бұрын
Does this paint it need varnishing?
@Stevoscustoms
@Stevoscustoms Жыл бұрын
Have u ever uses mattkane markers? I kinda like em
@Cheesehead292
@Cheesehead292 Жыл бұрын
You should try and review Molotow paint markers.
@michellerenville1661
@michellerenville1661 3 ай бұрын
You are amazing! Thanks for sharing. Can you please tell me what the paper is called that you use for stencils? And where to purchase it. Thank you ❤
@XavierKickz
@XavierKickz 3 ай бұрын
Thank you so much and vinyl paper I get from Michaels
@chefstevenmurry158
@chefstevenmurry158 8 ай бұрын
What bout the Posca Paint marker gotta do this one!
@lillypie792
@lillypie792 Жыл бұрын
First point posca , They are so good for customizing things like that and easy to prep! Second point Angelus paint I love the flame! Posca is cool,I just prefer the look of angelus here! Third point also Angelus .I wouldn’t want my shoes getting their paint scraped off like the posca,So the point goes to paint
@glowygal3118
@glowygal3118 Жыл бұрын
I want to draw on my shoes with poscas I dont have leather paint, so do you think I could seal the shoes with clear nail polish?
@dang9269
@dang9269 11 ай бұрын
Any recommendations for paint for vans?
@YangNanahoshi
@YangNanahoshi Жыл бұрын
btw after coloring with the marker you must spray a protect film over it, without is the art useless, but that Normal
@DM-yq3pr
@DM-yq3pr 8 ай бұрын
Can you paint straight out the box? Like with no prepping? And can you paint the foam midsole? Thx
@esmegib
@esmegib 21 күн бұрын
from what i know u have to use a prep to get the factory finish off first so the paint sticks and u can paint the foam w fabric designed paint
@user-lj6tv8tb6t
@user-lj6tv8tb6t 9 күн бұрын
I'm looking for paint for the rubber bottoms of my air max plus 3 tns
@warrenlimbu6587
@warrenlimbu6587 Жыл бұрын
Did you put a coating finish for both?
@ava-jq4uq
@ava-jq4uq 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for the vid! Someone told me posca markers will last longer, but I disagree.
@subanfitness8052
@subanfitness8052 Жыл бұрын
Wouldn’t you put a sealant coat over there posca like you would Angelus? Testing the water and scrap didn’t have a top coat?
@sneijder023
@sneijder023 Жыл бұрын
Hi which to use for polyeuthrane paint?
@lavine4621
@lavine4621 Жыл бұрын
I always watch your video I hope some day I get your one off costume shoes 🥺
@georgiannabrock2602
@georgiannabrock2602 Жыл бұрын
If I were to use Angelus paint and I want my shoes to be able to be in the rain/snow etc and not fade, what is the clear coat or finished coating I would use?
@carlosmejia-xj7wn
@carlosmejia-xj7wn 3 ай бұрын
You have a lot of talent ❤😊
@XavierKickz
@XavierKickz 3 ай бұрын
Thank you so much!
@andahoy3734
@andahoy3734 Жыл бұрын
angelus and coat them with finisher, solid as rock
@MrSir-jw6pb
@MrSir-jw6pb Жыл бұрын
what about outlining with the marker then going in with paint afterwards, that is effective no?
@ruddystamps3489
@ruddystamps3489 Жыл бұрын
Both 🔥🔥🔥🔥#Team500k
@lt2816
@lt2816 Жыл бұрын
Could you do custom foam runners?
@squishy_69
@squishy_69 Жыл бұрын
The water test reminded me, of when I used to put white shoe polish on my scuffed up Adidas sneakers (back in the 80s) and walked to school in the rain, and it all washed off before I got there...😔😅 Ps. I'd definitely go with the paint! 👍👍👍 I wish I'd had it back then...
@joannajackson4459
@joannajackson4459 Жыл бұрын
As someone that is just starting out how do you get your shoes in bulk? I do want to start selling my work
@jaywholoveseveryone1721
@jaywholoveseveryone1721 2 ай бұрын
Was the shoe with the Posca marker sealed after it was painted?
@Cartooncatali2015
@Cartooncatali2015 Жыл бұрын
Ang pint #1 Is there a way you can put the paint into a paint marker?
@bartekchobot3471
@bartekchobot3471 Жыл бұрын
Hey what about angelus finisher with posca markers?
@jongeluipaard1467
@jongeluipaard1467 Жыл бұрын
Can you try them who the best stays with color by the sun ?
@sharmelparker1872
@sharmelparker1872 Жыл бұрын
Posca for details Angelus for big surface
@hectoraquino404
@hectoraquino404 10 ай бұрын
I like the drawing ability of the posko but love the Angelus paint
@Cosiwoo
@Cosiwoo Жыл бұрын
I can use angelus on the Rubber sole on j1?
@andrewgoff7213
@andrewgoff7213 Жыл бұрын
For more durability, spray the shoe with some clear rock guard from auto zone👍
@adrian2417
@adrian2417 Жыл бұрын
The Angelus paint shoes probably got a finisher in test. Did the poscar shoes had some layers of finisher too? Doesnt look like to me.
@paulapeterson-warnock3030
@paulapeterson-warnock3030 Жыл бұрын
You can use gesso before you paint. Also, what if you sealed your art work on the shoe? Other shoe and hat customers I’ve seen seal it
@daGuwru
@daGuwru Жыл бұрын
You should always seal it, or its doomed after a wear or two
@christopherdoney5232
@christopherdoney5232 6 ай бұрын
If Angelus would do a paint pen that would be cool ..... I have used other companies paint markers on hot wheels customs I've done and they work and hold up great .
@XavierKickz
@XavierKickz 6 ай бұрын
I agree with you!
@stevenking997
@stevenking997 Жыл бұрын
ur airbrush link is the same link to the paint brushes.
@Spicy_1414
@Spicy_1414 25 күн бұрын
What can i put on my shoe after the custom for the paint to stick on it?
@camilleespy7395
@camilleespy7395 4 ай бұрын
Can you try fabric spray paint?
@power_SERG
@power_SERG 10 ай бұрын
I paint miniatures and models, can't i just use Vallejo or Citadel paints? What about acrylic Inks?
@bboyben618
@bboyben618 8 ай бұрын
(For the durability test) Weren’t the angela’s Gucci shoes also covered with a clear coat, if the posca marker shoes were clear coated then they wouldn’t wipe off with water and a finger
@MrTodd2000
@MrTodd2000 3 ай бұрын
Hi , so what about using paint sealants ? Also, overall, which is generally cheaper ?
@XavierKickz
@XavierKickz 3 ай бұрын
You can use a matte finisher
@stanfordkoch1271
@stanfordkoch1271 Жыл бұрын
If you use like angelus 4 coat over de posca marker it does not come off in the rain
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