OpenToonz vs. Tahoma2D, first impressions

[@U.O.S]

16:35 If it is not colored, it is probably empty. If it is colored and not numbered, it belongs to the numbered frame before it. If it is numbered, it is a new frame.

[@TheMaxxy911]

To add project directories: File > Preferences > General > Additional Project Locations > Custom. To change exposure, select the frame (or frames) and drag the small grey polygon next to its upper right corner. Regarding the tool switching problem: OpenToonz will keep the Hand tool active if you let go of the key within a small time frame. To change the duration: File > Preferences > Tools > Switch Tool Temporarily Keypress Length (ms). You can even set it to 1 millisecond to effectively eliminate the behaviour. I think the steps are the same in both programs. My biggest issue with OT/Tahoma has always been the selection tools, which must be a quarter-century behind every other program.

[@animatewithdermot]

Ahhhhhhh! FANTASTIC - thanks, if this works it puts OT back on my PC! I would never have found this by myself.

[@TheMaxxy911]

@@animatewithdermot Sure thing! I love seeing industry veterans share their experiences, past and present. Best of luck with OT and Tahoma, though having myself given them a pretty fair shake a few years ago, I eventually decided to set them aside (while still checking in on new releases).

[@DarrenTAnims]

Hi Dermot, It's good to see that you're looking at these 2 programs, but unfortunately, you can't just start working with them and figure out the basic things. I know it's what you "should" be able to do, but you just can't. I tell everyone that wants to try using these programs to watch a couple of getting started videos first. I've made one for each of the programs and ask everyone to watch it first. I'm not here to promote myself, but just to clarify that I understand the frustration, but OT is an old program and the basic UX hasn't changed much. And sadly, Tahoma has inherited this. However, the basics only take 10 minutes of learning to get over before you can then find the next set of things you want to learn. It makes watching this style of "first look" videos difficult for me to watch because everyone has the same issues. Yes, they should be fixed, but there's few developers working on them both. If you're interested in my other comments about the issues you had in this video, I've dropped you an email, as there's quite a few to look over, as you're well aware! All the best, Darren

[@animatewithdermot]

Got it! Many thanks. No worries as I will be doing follow ups with Tahoma.

[@U.O.S]

If you want to set the frames on 2 or more, select the desired frames and then press the number 2 on the bar near the frame Or put the cursor over the frame RMB menu and choose 2 also

[@TheTorky]

As someone who uses krita primarily for animation, I can't wait to use another open source program for my work. Unfortunately the only deal breaker for me is lack of vector animation similar to toon boom's, which is the prime upgrade I'm looking for and without it and I say why bother? recently found out clip studio has vector animation with stroke selection tooI. hope the programmers for tahoma get this down soon

[@animatewithdermot]

Have you tried the Tahoma vectors? I've only messed with their rasters. tahoma2d.readthedocs.io/en/latest/drawing_animation_levels.html

[@analia390]

tahoma 2d fix that in 1.5 beta version, thanks for the video, keys move with . and , buttons

[@animatewithdermot]

Ah, good, thanks! I noticed that it saves frames in a similar way to Harmony, where Q & W act like [ and ] in H to shuttle between drawings. One issue I hit after was applying colors to my drawings, (grey for keys, red for breakdowns, etc), but when I put the colour it was on the x-sheet, and not the drawing/cell. Moving the cell leaves the colour. Which could be a handy feature, but my workflow is to colour the cells so the colour moves with them.

[@JimPAnimation]

There's a little bar above each frame and that is how you drag frame.

[@animatewithdermot]

Yes, just found it - thanks. It's good to be able to move, but that thing is TINY!

[@U.O.S]

4:00 It is better to create a new project for each work and within the project. one scene and when you finish save all don't use another save button and don't use sunblocks to draw your project every time make new project with new one scene

[@U.O.S]

OpenToons has its own learning curve unlike other programs, so you can't work on it right away before taking a short course on it and recording a few questions about the problems you face and asking them on Reddit or Discord. Darren t is your guy

[@garymankey6186]

I like opentoonz

[@animatewithdermot]

I will give it a go again, but that spacebar/brush bug is a stopper for me. Hopefully the next rev.

[@julio2768]

Eu gosto muito dos dois e sempre uso OTz

[@animatewithdermot]

I'll definitely start OT at some point, but that bug is stopping me right now. Seems like the skills I pick up with Tahoma are pretty transferable, hope so. I see a lot of similarity between Toonboom Harmony and Tahoma.

[@lemied23]

Tahoma2d 1.5 just release.I found that timeline navigation is a lot better.Might want to check out whats new cause they fixed the click and drag behavior of cells in the timeline and added folders and other things as well

[@animatewithdermot]

Fantastic news! Will do!

[@U.O.S]

finally you using opentoonz it better for animation I use it with krita together

[@snofixart]

opentoonz is great but its file management is weird, and raster drawing is not optimised and does not have anti-aliasing filter on the canvas.

[@animatewithdermot]

I was wondering why it was looking so pixelly. Thanks for that. May have to focus on vectors so.

[@snofixart]

@@animatewithdermot Vectors are better in this software.

[@derekstepan3888]

You can anti alias but it is through the x sheet

[@snofixart]

@@derekstepan3888 oh no I am talking about the canvas anti aliasing in the software level. If you draw something on 100% it will look crisp. But if you zoom out or in it gets pixelated and gets normal when you make it 100% zoom again.

[@walterzenga6989]

I like OpenToonz because I can change the colors of a sequence without having to do it frame by frame and the vector layer. If only Krita could have these two feature it would be the perfect program ever.

[@animatewithdermot]

Do you mean changing the color of an individual layer? Or can this change elements on a single layer? Krita's blend mode will change an entire layer, I use that to make my rough animation layer blue so I can tie down on an upper layer more easily.

[@hotpopcorncake]

Can you save animations in sequential frames to be able to import them into Blender or similar software?

[@animatewithdermot]

No idea, but there are T users here who know a lot more than I do. I suspect you can though, as that sounds like a basic functionality. You do need an ffmpeg exe for rendering mp4 (as krita did, prior to the recent update), but that wouldn't be the case for image seq.

[@U.O.S]

The bug s you are experiencing is most likely due to your graphics card settings Darren T have video about it

[@animatewithdermot]

TheMaxxy911 left a comment above also with a possible fix.

[@animatedcuboidXD]

that is a very interesting way to lay out windows 10

[@animatewithdermot]

I like to keep things very simple. I know there are people who like to have widgets everywhere, or desktop images, I just can't handle the visual clutter. I even set up my Linux MINT laptop to look the same as this!

[@FelixTheAnimator]

OpenToonz has run into some development problems this year. :/

[@animatewithdermot]

I wasn't aware of that, thanks for the info!

[@garymankey6186]

Tony Gaddis uses Opentoonz

[@JimPAnimation]

Yes, now that you spent time with the program, watch a few tutorials and all your questions should be answered. But very entertaining the way you did it 🙂

[@animatewithdermot]

It's always a good test of how intuitive a program is! I've figured out some of the stuff, and got a tut in an open tab, will definitely go through and do some movies with T.

[@garymankey6186]

Avoid the sand box

[@animatewithdermot]

As long as I can save outside that, frankly it feels dangerous! I can see myself losing files or accidentally overwriting.