Animation as a career choice

[@freerangeeggs6442]

Anyone else questioning themselves because they think they're super passionate but are second guessing their judgement. Or is that just me?

[@catalinaburgos6649]

You are not alone! I'm also questioning and searching for answers!

[@Kb.animates]

Oh me too, hey, you don’t know if you don’t try I guess

[@galaxydeathskrill5607]

Me too

[@kewlozer7979]

Same. I’m passionate but my skills just aren’t there yet

[@Rubber_duckie_floating]

Same.. but I'm thinking game developing in the future for me

[@PikaPetey]

So glad that Covid-19 happened to teach the industry that You don't need to live at the stupid expensive LA county to work for the job.

[@pam_param3462]

With the catch being that the competition for those jobs could now become global if companies become very efficient with work-from-home workflows.

[@dragoniraflameblade]

And there's a recent anime that opened Korean doors to collaborate with Japanese animators on the series, which is possibly a HUGE STEP in international collaboration. Maybe good signs for animation? I know Studio Trigger also helped with one or two episodes of Steven Universe.

[@hinamatsuro1908]

@@dragoniraflameblade which ones?

[@dragoniraflameblade]

@@hinamatsuro1908 God of High school was the anime.

[@hinamatsuro1908]

@@dragoniraflameblade oh damn it was good but the ending was kinda anti climatic

[@TheHuskyK9]

My advice: If you are new to the industry, don't get discouraged when you don't get the job. The animation industry is very competitive, and more often than not, studios will look towards those with impressive portfolios and resumes. Patience and determination is key 🔑

[@tuktuk6919]

also those who do what they are told no questions asked>they want machines

[@p1ntu_]

So is it better to work after getting the bachelor or pursuing for the degree?

[@pinkymii072]

i'm fucking terrified about it tbh

[@xdrazormon454]

That’s why I’m learning a high demand skill first on web designing and trying to learn to make websites first before I become an animator 2nd

[@xdrazormon454]

@@p1ntu_ you don’t need a degree you need a good portfolio 💼

[@ComicalRealm]

I think the most important thing is if you enjoy it and are good at it. Those 2 things combined are lethal

[@NamHerTab]

Hello Animator

[@laurenaspreyart]

And even if your not good at it, anyone can learn

[@elsv99]

@Jaegar19Ultima depression can (with a lot of time, work and help) heal

[@SayuriYaki]

@Jaegar19Ultima Yeah but besides someone maybe becoming depressed, blind or dead, people can learn to become a good animator. I don‘t see the need to tell people when they say they want to learn something: ‚yeah but depression will make you fail‘. However it kinda sounds like you personally have to deal with depression and if so I wish you the best. :)

[@Iaem129]

@@SayuriYaki i agree!!

[@shadeszn2355]

I don’t wanna be rich, I don’t wanna die and be that guy that was rich and had nothing else to offer in this world, I wanna create things, leave something behind for the world to appreciate, I was second guessing myself if I should purse animation but I truly believe this is what I will enjoy doing

[@shadeszn2355]

I’m also from LA so I gotta take the opportunity 😂

[@MOUNTAIN-098]

Don't give up man I'm Young and I'm starting animation. Just remember this... Art takes time.

[@MOUNTAIN-098]

And I'm next to LA 🤣😭

[@SinjinVega]

Good luck!!!

[@macaronimadman7160]

“Projects will usually end in a short amount of time” One piece animators *meancing laughter*

[@StnkyDinky]

Lmao I don’t watch one piece but I get the joke

[@macaronimadman7160]

@@StnkyDinky me neither

[@springsnapped5435]

Lmao yes

[@wirathe_normalguy2721]

​@@macaronimadman7160 he​ means he​ got​ the​ punchline of​ the​ joke

[@dexterdj1586]

​@@wirathe_normalguy2721 you're late bro😔

[@believerchances8600]

I don’t wanna give up, I feel like animation was what I was meant to do and I feel like if I don’t do animation I lost my purpose. I know it’s Risky but life is risky no matter what you do. I rather live and struggle doing what I want, than live somebody else’s dream just to possibly be comfortable. I know me and I would still be sad.

[@melofox._]

You and me both

[@HybridSaga20]

at least that we get to be the bosses of our own jobs if we were to have our own animation, something we love because that is what i would do

[@amritvir7969]

Cool, where are you from

[@punkmusicjunkie160]

Hey I'm on the same boat. I was questioning my Major for a long time whether I should go for a computer science degree or an art degree. I've started noticing that Comp Sci was really not a thing for me yeah sure the money was good but what was the point in doing something you don't like I spoke with my counselor and told her about my change with 3D Animation and well everything now all connects I'm highly motivated to draw and learn more and more everyday looking up videos on 3D Animation or other drawing tips and tricks I'm happy to take this risk if it means to be happy and the end of the day we will all reach our goals it just takes time but will get there stay strong and motivated. 💪🏻

[@onyemaobichukwulionel3216]

I ain't giving up on my vision.

[@LunaArtGallery]

The comment about "Don't define yourself by the Studios you work at" is so important. Big studios don't care about your feelings or dreams, they are corporations. At the end of the day it's about the bottom line. You as the artist have to define yourself by your craft and passion for your work, something that doesn't rely on anybody else.

[@Kalaxian80animations]

Umm, ye

[@Audiomaker49]

EXACTLY

[@Raedragonfae]

I’m not gunna lie, I’m 28, decided to go back to college for animation and chase my dreams as an animator, but everything is so competitive. I’m trying not to be discouraged, I just started animation courses at college.

[@snugray_p1659]

Oh man, goodluck! I'm 15 so I'll eventually get to take courses. I hope it goes well for you

[@meloza]

I’m 24 soon to be 25. I graduated 2 years ago got my bachelor degree in agriculture science. two years passed, i’m not so passionate finding a job relevant to my education background. and studying art is kinda haunting me all the time. it’s my dream to work in art field especially animation. finally found an animation school, and my parent supports me, but I suddenly feel scared to make this decision to study Animation. ik it will take time, energy, money. i’m scared if i dont have enough ability, idk tools nor animation pc program, I only use procreate. I’m worried if I fail being responsible of my own choice. as I already feel guilty too of not ‘using’ my first degree for career. I also rejected a job offer in a big agricultural company. idk why i suddenly doubt my dream passion and skill.. but there are some moments in a day when I feel like can’t wait to start my animation class. Hope this is the best decision I make. will never know except I try it first

[@Raedragonfae]

@@meloza how has reflecting been? its been about 3 weeks and im curious where your thought process is at. I decided to go back to art school at community college, and I realized I just hate school and it is costing me money and time to invest myself into school at 28 years old. Ive realized school isnt for everyone, and even if I do like the subject, I find it draining the passion of my soul to do things I love in my current present life, such as.... well.... art. going to school left me no time to actually do art that I enjoyed or wanted to do. Also, I found out animation schools are really expensive and they will refer you to great companies straight out of school but its not worth it for me. its a high risk environment. SO currently I am practicing art, building a portfolio for tattoo, and doing animation on the side. I am a person who needs money gauranteed from my efforts, so tattoo and animation are building for me right now, good luck and I hope u see this soon. cheers. good luck in life.

[@LAZYPAN-vt7bv]

​@@Raedragonfae how is your days at college. My boyfriend also decided to take animation collage at Tokyo. He can't draw quite well in my eyes😢 is it possible to get better when your skills are like five years old at 26

[@johnDoeann]

Legit how’s the animation job going?

[@SWATDRUMMUH]

My animation teacher actually pulled me aside to talk about my future in animation. Because I didn't have as many sketches were as much progress as my other classmates, he made me doubt myself and question whether I really wanted to go into animation. In a sense of the word, it demoralized me hearing I wasn't cut out for animation. This video does help me realize what I want to do; I just work at a slower pace then everyone else. I think I just focus too much on the details. Apparently I get so focused, I lose sight of the bigger picture. Just because I'm focused on something, it shouldn't mean I don't have passion for it, right?

[@tvsonicserbia5140]

That's no way to address a student. What an asshole.

[@rcKlsS_-iw3kg]

Don't listen to that dumbass teacher don't let anyone bring you down don't give up

[@paulwoodford1984]

Your animation teacher was envious of your talent and saw you as a threat. F them. You should always use that to make you more determined to succeed.

[@chanpiggy3938]

@@paulwoodford1984 No, the teacher is a savier for actually telling the student. They don't want you to blindly follow a passion

[@johanneskirestos5316]

That's actually a sign of ur passion. Getting so focused and lost in your work to that point can't be reached without being passionate on what u do. Don't give up

[@jinwood]

When I was a kid, I dreamt of becoming an animator. I love drawing! Eventually, I got a job on a small animation studio (it's my second job). But because the pay is so low, I had to make the decision and give up on the animation. I did the normal jobs (likes of tech support and such) here on my country. I thought I'm just doing those jobs to earn a bit of cash while I draw as a hobby. As years go by, The tech support jobs became my main source of income and I stopped drawing totally. This was 10 years go. Now I want to draw again but I can no longer do it. I regret not pursuing my dream of animation... Now, I learned how to make videos, and animate PNGs. I have another channel where I make short videos. I'm also doing commissions as a full time job. It's not the same as the real animation and it's not paying much but I'm betting on this new passion and dream. TLDR: Follow your dreams

[@SandboxerSandy]

This is interesting!!! Can you plug that other channel where you animate?

[@caittoons]

I'm trying to pursue animation by starting off here on KZbin. Trying stuff in my own style. Animation and comics/webcomics is something I've always loved doing. Not just for the money it's something that's genuinely enjoyable and feels more like a passion than just a job. I loved this video and it's really helpful when trying to learn more animation-wise. :D I hope I can learn to do 3D animation or cgi animation one day too :D

[@lordsolrak1713]

okey , i will se your work . new sub

[@caittoons]

@@lordsolrak1713 thank you! :D

[@WillyToons]

You are pretty good!

[@napiltree5917]

That’s amazing! I love your art style! I’m also trying out animation here on KZbin. For me, animating is very comforting and it feels accomplishing when I complete a video!

[@caittoons]

@@napiltree5917 That's awesome! And thank you!

[@justanothercomment]

I kinda feel into animation as a career. I always sucked at all the 'smart' stuff in school, and have always had pretty limited interests. Animation is one of the few things I really love, and one of the few things I _didn't_ suck at. So the choice was kinda a no-brainer for me. This career path may not be for everyone and it certainly has its hardships, but I get to do work that I enjoy and which doesn't leave me drained and unhappy. And unlike most things in life, I actually feel like I kinda know what I'm doing! Which is a wonderful feeling. So yea, I wouldn't change it for the world. :)

[@snugray_p1659]

Oh shoot, really! You work in animation? How hard was it to get your foot in the door, what do you do?

[@hannahdeards9652]

My boyfriend works in the animation industry (as a tech guy) and the people I have met through him are some of the sweetest and down to earth people I’ve met. I’ve been told that of course there are some egotistical pricks, just like any industry, but the majority seem really lovely. I went to my partner’s studio (Not quite as popular as Pixar or Disney, but a big player in the industry) and they were really happy to show me around, the artists showed me their work and told me about the industry - good and bad. I’ve had offers from people saying ‘When your storyboard portfolio is ready, I’ll be happy to ask my friends from Disney to offer some critique.’ It’s just really nice. I think this industry is pretty hard to break into, especially since lots of animators and people in the industry including the tech nerds are all pretty introverted, but it’s definitely not because of gatekeeping or anything negative. Everyone’s just chill and love what they do.

[@pyxn420]

What does he do exactly?

[@sueaniart8331]

Very much agree on all your points! Every job has its ups and downs, animation just feels more visceral because 99% of the time people join the industry because they love and are passionate about art and therefore the falls and the downsides hurt more than joining an industry predominantly for the status or money. It's tricky because getting into the animation industry requires us to wash away all the traditional teachings that say we should put all our focus on our jobs instead of personal projects. So in the end, a lot of people get heavily affected by unfulfilling animation studios especially if they didn't build art projects outside of their main job. Whether it's teaching art or making a webcomic, short animation or animatics on youtube, even small time personal projects help so much in maintaining that little fire of love for art. It's also a added plus if it can be monetised in some way (putting comics up on tapas/webtoon, having a patreon or selling online classes etc)

[@dannphan]

"Make twice as much as your living expenses" Animators in Japan: **sad sobbing noises**

[@aguydan866]

Well, as a career choice it surely requires lots and LOTS of patience. I always considered it to be one of the most important skills aside from drawing and knowing how motion works. But as a hobby it is really fun. Is there even a better feeling than seeing your drawings, your characters, your story coming to life?

[@aguydan866]

@Memes For Lunch Yeah. Good point actually) I noticed that music often makes everything even better.

[@Raedragonfae]

Honestly,.....from what I have gathered from taking a class in animation at a community college.... is have a great portfolio, go to conventions, and build an online presence (tiktok, youtube) and you will get seen. alot of schools just have references to big companies, but from what ive gathered.... you can just build your portfolio outside of school, and they dont require you to have a degree if u have the skills. they really dont care.

[@OpposeArt]

This video not only had perfect timing, but it was really well put together, amazing video and constructive overall!

[@ayersjrmichael]

To be honest, I would never, ever think that Animation is a mistake industry to get into because I’m in love with it when it comes to cartoons and 3D concepts. This is why I draw my own characters because, I love cartoons and I always feel passion about creating them and bring them to live in a story.

[@bonbon5189]

Do you work in animation?

[@moajrtoons]

@@bonbon5189 yes.

[@Nu3lla_]

What country do you live in?

[@moajrtoons]

@@Nu3lla_ USA

[@MangaSkills]

@@moajrtoons I live in brooklyn and NY to college, can you tell me more about how your career, income, challenges. Im a freshman-college student thinking of going into animation, worried abut finding a animation job or income stability later on. Also is finding a job hard?

[@kristofgriffin384]

Generally speaking and with very rare exceptions, in order to get your cartoon on a network like Cartoon Network, Nickelodeon, or Disney, you need to give up your copyright to it. For example, Alex Hirsch, the creator of "Gravity Falls" needs to ask permission to take creative liberty with his own show, that he created. Even sketching out images of Gruncle Stan without asking Disney for permission could get him sued for copyright infringement. This is why Cartoon Network can give "The Powerpuff Girls" and the "Teen Titans" to whomever they like. Or when Nickelodeon announced that they'll make a CGI spin-off of Spongebob, even though Stephen Hillenburg directly said that he didn't want Spongebob to have any spin-offs. They literally waited for him to die so they could ignore his wishes and rape his creation however they want. Usually, this is a trade-off to getting the pilot off in the first place. Copyright control in the animation industry is used as a bludgeon and it's scary how very few people outside the industry seem to have a problem with this - despite the fact that it is a very, very bad problem. This isn't a recent issue either. This has been going on since the '90s. It boils down to this: If you don't do what the network wants, they will kick you off your own show and give it to somebody else. Even if you do end up doing as they say, if you get too much respect to kick around like Craig McCracken, they'll end up giving your property to some schmuck who's much easier to control and do EXACTLY as the network wants. This problem also extends to animated movies. The movie "Sausage Party" was filled to the brim with controversy, even though it's the very first R-rated CGI animated film, most of the controversy wasn't from its content, but how its animators were treated. They were told to work overtime for free. They were threatened with termination for not hitting deadlines. And in the end-credits, half of the animators' staff wasn't even credited. This is the standard that many, many animation productions have. A lot of animators are forced to work under these conditions because if they don't work for a minuscule amount of money, the company will outsource the production to South Korea. This is the reason why so many western cartoons nowadays like "Steven Universe" are animated in South Korea. The bottom ten percent of American animators get paid 38 thousand dollars, per year. The median animator in South Korea gets 21,600 USD per year. That's a cost reduction of 40% per person, in the production of hundreds if not thousands of people. It basically boils down to: "if you don't do your job for the price we tell you, we will find someone to replace you". In some cases, they will make it so everyone will turn on you by creating false allegations. Or, you'll be blacklisted for saying the slightest thing wrong about a certain person or network. This is why it's so hard to find cartoonists who complain about a network. Most of the money that's made from a cartoon is from merchandising because the creators usually don't get royalties for this. The only one that benefits from merchandising is the network. Even if you buy the toys or DVD for a show that you like, it's up to the studio whether or not they'll pay the animators.

[@alzamonart]

This info is golden for some of us who have always had a critical eye to animation as a living career choice. If anything, it makes me feel less bad for younger me not having had the chance to make it in the business and having to settle for web development instead, which still pays my bills. Life works in mysterious ways I guess.

[@lockheart619]

Thanks for the abundance of information!

[@sabrinan.4640]

I was just about to applied to a South Korea animation university 😀😀😀

[@joykennedy3478]

@@alzamonart I think you should still do animation as a hobby and maybe collarborate with other animators who will honor your creative liscense.

[@R1209-s7y]

@@sabrinan.4640 Go ahead if you want to, you could study there and find a job outside the country when you’ve obtained your bachelor’s/master’s degree

[@arjb1046]

In a sense, the more you work in this industry the easier it gets. I haven't experienced that yet, and don't know how true it is for anyone here who's worked but just something I've heard. In any case, I'm so happy I decided to make this my career. There's so many ways to work and thrive in this industry.

[@allyrecords8379]

Honestly, I'm often insecure and sometimes overthink stuff but one thing. One thing I will never let myself doubt is whether or not I should become an animator. Screw everything else but I have stories and they demand to get released to the world.

[@MOUNTAIN-098]

What's your stories about? For me I'm creating a movie/show called (BUMPER AND CARON) its about cars and a whole L O T of action!!!

[@BATMADZ_]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@MOUNTAIN-098that sounds SO awesome and like a fun story with a fun name!! How do you guys come up with stories? I’ve only ever made a FEW characters and never fleshed them out much, let alone write whole stories :/ How do you guys see yourself getting your stories out there?

[@aspenmp4222]

same,,I have a story idea though and it was inspired by my dream I had😅

[@allyrecords8379]

@@aspenmp4222 dreams are the BEST inspirations!!! If I may ask, what's your story about?

[@moderndayjames]

Adult animation? Guess it's time to pursue my hentai career

[@OneAndOnlyCookie03]

*oh no*

[@macaronimadman7160]

God has a question for you WHY!!

[@velstorios9473]

Go away man, the internet is rotten enough

[@tobiii2020]

Yes

[@necrago]

@@tobiii2020 UwU

[@GeorgeEgroed-e7f]

You have to be insane to persue animation as a career. That was a first thing teacher told us on the prep courses that i got before aplying to an institute of film and tv as an animation director. This man , who was at the forfront of the industry before turning to teaching, spend first two "classes" not only introducing us to the job , but discouraging us, explaining how much it sucks. No one turned back. We were the insane. That year i failed to get in , sorted out by the cultural knowledge and memory part of the exam.(i can barely remember names of things i dont have strong as fire passion about) but i didnt give up then nor ever since. No rational. I suck at drawing but process math efortlessly, i was gonna be a programer before i discovered the magic of animation for myself. (And yes animator and director differ, but we all knew that our only animators would be ourselves, it was just a profesion that covers more ground to us.) (Sidenote: we all sucked there and then , but we sucked with flame in our eyes , goddamit!)

[@awwab3488]

So are you still pursuing animation or did you change to a different course ?

[@GeorgeEgroed-e7f]

@@awwab3488 i am. Slower then expected , but still

[@dragoniraflameblade]

The funny thing about the Miyazaki quote: He leaves the interviewer to go talk shop with Hidieki Anno, one of the directors he climbed the animation ladder with (key animators to directors). And what were they doing? Going over a dog fight scene with model planes. Lol, idk, something feels ironic about it. I've really nestled into comics, but I love animation. I feel like they kinda go hand in hand in a lot of ways.

[@akiraishin7141]

Well... the quote was never the quote to begin with. He never said that, someone on the internet took the moment in the interview where he supposedly said "animation was a mistake" and simply removed what the actual translation was and placed the fake quote there.

[@alanaflynn8878]

I definitely agree animation and comics have a lot of overlap as mediums; the entertainment arts (and really any arts!) have a lot they can learn from each other, and that's what makes them so fun and interesting to learn about.

[@milddiffuse]

@@akiraishin7141 Indeed, what he was actually complaining about was that most anime aren't based on real life, probably also referring to the big amount of "moe" anime being made. He wasn't really talking animation coming from anywhere else, although I wouldn't say something similar doesn't exist everywhere else as well.

[@gremlin_2020]

My wish is to study animation. Sadly Im in Latino America, there's literally 2 to 0 job opportunities. Its such a shame that the place where you live actually kills artists!. And not everyone is wealthy enough to migrate to other countries. People who say that its important to pursue your dreams, that is indeed very true! But you also have to consider your life conditions, the animation jobs here are so badly payed, like for real, its not even enough for a rent. Some are forced to study other things to have a sustain, if you have a good life condition, talent, and a passion for art and animation, you should go for it! But I think that the sustainability is still an underground thing that is not often discussed.

[@otherprofessions9582]

Hey if you want to learn animation check out this video! kzbin.info/www/bejne/sKLbqamih9l-p80

[@laurenaspreyart]

That’s true but I also believe there are more opportunities to do animation work from home (especially now) and send it to the people managing the projects. I don’t know how it works specifically but I know people have done it 👍🏻

[@gremlin_2020]

@@laurenaspreyart you are actually very right! Ive seen how some of my college friends work in independent studios and such, its a great idea!

[@andresamaya6187]

@Gremlin _ I can relate to you in a personal level, I'm also from Latin America and I also want to study animation, but the situation in my country basically don't give me too much opportunities

[@randomrandle9141]

@@otherprofessions9582 I haven't clicked but I already know it's the principles of animation

[@floraldisaster4192]

This actually really thought me a lot, I’m still young and I want to become an animator. Thank you so much for making this video, I got to see more on what can happen or what I could do as an animator! Appreciate your work pal!

[@trustlesseyes]

your videos always have perfect timing for me because just a few months ago, i graduated university and am now working on building a career in animation and illustration. little problem i have, is that germany (where i am from and where i live) has basically no real animation industry :s p. s.: i turned on the notifications for your channel because your videos always give me so much information, sometimes a reality check and motivation to keep going! thank you so much :3

[@ayior]

Moin! Ich bin auch in der Animationsindustrie in Deutschland unterwegs :D

[@rice1936]

Hi I am also from Germany. I am still a student but I am considering a career in animation. Do you think that even with a small industry in Germany it is possible to find work?

[@trustlesseyes]

@@rice1936 i myself work for a small company making (mostly) 2d explanatory videos and i believe, there are multiple companies like this in german cities, so yes, it is possible but i doubt there’s any work for storytelling or frame by frame animation. but i could be wrong, who knows

[@Raccatoons]

A lot of the time I end up roping myself up with the thought of only having one career choice as an option, but yeah like you said you don't want to be a one-trick pony! I appreciate your insight as always Toniko

[@FrancisChenSF]

I love your thoughts. You're right - animation is a calling where you have to invest time to the craft of storytelling, independent of the studio, outside of your 9-5. Other white collar jobs delineate work life balance better, haha. but animation as a medium is one of the most fulfilling crafts in the world, and i wouldn't have it any other way, regardless if youre part of a big studio. and you're right about the big studios... they can lay you off or let go of you anytime after a gig ends, so developing your own voice / craft is what keeps your career resiliency stronger, since thats how you get hired for future projects.

[@adultishgambino8713]

Never animated but I love drawing and using animation principles in crazy dynamic pose drawings. I honestly just want to have my own show but I know that that’s crazy hard

[@lumpystilskin5367]

Of course it is

[@jalenmacon]

For the show thing, might be easier to make a comic/manga first and pitching it to a studio to make it a show. So many of the best shows and movies originate from some sort of novel, comic, or manga

[@Phoenix.Sparkles]

@@jalenmacon Wouldn't be THEIR comic anymore then, that's basically like selling it off

[@chriserony]

Gave up on my dream of being an animator maybe a decade ago. I'm still absolutely passionate about it and considering a career change. :)

[@Kotaru09]

If you want freelance is a choice

[@pinkiepurplez]

The thing that scares me is that I love animation when I get it done. But in the middle of working on it is where i question whether i like it or not. I keep juggling whether or not I'm improving fast enough to meet the deadline of when I can start work. This video helps me to find confidence in ways, but I still tilt back and forth.

[@emmayin1419]

I was so relieved I the last section, because all I want to do is personal work, and funnily the things that bothers me is knowing I have to start working for studio first in a way really similar to industrial line.

[@MOUNTAIN-098]

Don't give up, try doing your own animation at home, earn money and buy yourself a nice Microsoft 4 tablet, or do it on paper, the choice is yours you have full control over it. If you want you could even start your own company like Walt Disney and warmer bros did! Don't be discouraged because at the end of the day you are making entertainment to make people laugh and injoy your creation and your style.

[@Antony_Oscar]

I am thinking of applying to study animation at a pretty good school in my city in Finland. They take like 12~ students every year and the competition is tough. However I want to try... and it's not like I'm in a hurry. I really like storytelling and I'm interested in storyboarding, character design, writing and comics.

[@DejiDigital]

I swear this is like the 8th video I've watched about animation/art/3D/etc as a career on youtube in the last 4 days

[@MangaSkills]

Any updates? Did you get into animation career?

[@finalfroevo]

I wouldn't mind working with smaller studios someday. I really liked that you mentioned the one trick pony because even though, ideally I want to go with 2D animation I am open to more creative outlets related to that

[@12ilara]

Tbh, as someone who still struggle to get a job in animation and currently in a state of questioning myself in animation career... Im glad i found this vid. It felt like a bright lamp appear on my head lol. "Dont let the studio defines you, you, defines you" is godamn right. *Salutes*

[@WafflesX3XD]

i couldn’t find any illustration degrees on offer in australia, so instead i applied, got accepted and enrolled into a bachelor of animation program last week, so this video was really helpful for what to expect once i finish up

[@delightfulsquirtle]

Man, I love your little doggo intro animation.

[@JoJ0Kun]

i studied animation for two years in latam. i always loved animation, it was my dream since i have memory, but i eventually dropped out which was one of the hardest decisions i have made. not only because of my declining mental health but because where i was studying was mediocre when it came to organization and the people they contracted to teach, everyone excusing their mediocrity behind "i worked for this x studio". don't get me wrong, i adore animation still, but passion is not the only thing you need if you want to be an animation but the mental strength of accepting that everything you've work can be discarded just because your boss or teacher decided to. i accepted is not my thing sadly, but i will still follow the art way because at the end it can still be connected to animation in some way and i'm happy about it.

[@patchlily9444]

thank you for the amazing information. watching your vids alone give me so much inspiration! love from vietnam waaa

[@otherprofessions9582]

Hey if you want to learn animation check out this video! kzbin.info/www/bejne/sKLbqamih9l-p80

[@InauspiciousGamer]

This honestly helped me affirm my headspace is in the right place. No matter what I'm doing I always find a little time, a couple minutes even, to play around with other ideas that spark in my mind. The things that always rattle me the most is when I'm suddenly put under pressure to come up with new stories or ideas when man, sometimes it really feels like the tank is empty lmao.

[@ivankovwink1311]

My grandfather (who is a lawyer and believes I ruined my life by changing my major from engineering to animation) made a speech to me today about how pointless majoring in animation is in his eyes -_-

[@brondize]

There were any solid arguments or was just grandboomer rambling?

[@claraartnow6645]

Well, prove him you're going to be great! Edit: what if he played the game of Phoenix Wright and he didn't like it, so that's why he criticises animation now? 😂

[@BrooklynKitty852]

I feel that, even if you're successful in your creative career, the family will always belittle you compared to any STEM or health grandchildren...

[@littlereuby]

I would say, listen to him. If you want a comfortable life, I would do engineering. Use the money from that to make your own projects, hire animators and you'll have a much better life. You can climb the ranks faster, with your own full projects.. And get those lucrative streaming gigs. I wouldn't recommend doing animation as s job. It's not worth the roller coaster. It's more like being an actor. There's so many of those. Do engineering, use the money from that, and make your animation projects. Otherwise it will be a rollercoaster ride. And many months of no work.

[@dylanmalan4378]

I'm glad I am not the only one. Not with engineering, but with chemistry

[@sarasuarez5529]

I'm entering my senior year of high school, and I have this summer to complete my portfolios. I don't feel like I'm ready, and that my art isn't good enough yet. But I have so much passion for animation I know that I will improve as time passes. i'll return to this comment next year and see where I am.

[@ritageraghty4404]

There are more animation jobs in Dublin, Ireland than in California. Some American animators have moved to Ireland.

[@PHlophe]

Eire, pays peanuts. and they want US material anyway.

[@crisptomato9495]

Yeah Ireland, Canada, and Japan are all really good for 2D.

[@caithlin]

@@PHlophe how do you know tho?

[@caithlin]

I'm irish, that's nice to see. Bcfe student

[@PHlophe]

Cait, that's because employers tried to relocate me several times and their salaries weren't great.

[@hamzazad5258]

This video is very useful for someone who start a career in animation. Straight up no BS...thank you. So helpful

[@alexmanrique2280]

Hi I´m 20 years old, i study animation in Mexico and to be honest many times i got the fear of not making it. Idk, I think this fears come with my age, I love animation, i love film and storys and I want to give my life to them, but I want to have social life, I want a good house and I want to be able to buy a car. When I see people who I admire, like you and many other artis, I get this fire inside me what makes me go on, that makes me think that this is worth it and iposible, but then I see this things like the Warner Discorvery bullshit or the Marvel VFX problems and I get sad and questioning everything. In the end I just want to live of what I love, and I want to be succesful, but most important I WANT TO BE HAPPY!. Thanks to people like you I get to put my head on reality and I learn how to keep learning about the thing I love the most.

[@Domasthedankengine]

I love how you talk over the a video of you actually doing the animation. Just what i was looking for! !!!

[@dwabees]

Well said, well said. it's funny that you released this video cuz I was lyterally thinking about it earlier today. Crazy how these coincidences happen. And thank you for it, it made me feel even more confident about my choices💕

[@PortableJam_Yt]

I thank you for making this video as someone who wants to work in the animation industry when I'm older this gives me a level head as to not expect praise to do just one thing but to do other things as well like character design,music composer,etc.....

[@vernonarufa6258]

Thank you for making this Video. I want to be an animator but I only started art 2 years ago and I'm 18 now. I had a bad past so I never really get to focus on the things I love and enjoy and I always doubt that myself that I'll probably not achieve my dream since the people around me doubt me. Knowing more about Animation just gets me pumped up and I'll be more passionate about my own works!!!

[@iridescentlytey4933]

The point you made about passion was what I needed to hear. This makes me excited to keep working on my own stuff and hopefully move I to the industry one day 😁

[@JGTtoday]

Animation is definitely one of the career choices of all time

[@analogman9697]

I wanted to be an animator, but in the 70's there were no resources. The only class I found was at Georgia State U in Atlanta. It was a senior level elective for art majors. Being 68 and seeing all these tools available now is sort of frustrating.

[@Emanny360]

This video has been on my recommendations for a few days and decided to click as I'm very passionate for animation but always questioning myself if it's the right path to take. I've gone through your vids and I love your content😉new subscriber👍🏾

[@animationwriter]

Thanks for the video, it has so much important information! This really told me, that animating is something for me. :) I'm already making animations and am planning to publish them on KZbin. The idea of not having just one job for years and changing animation styles just sounds so exciting and comforting!

[@marionberry2648]

I can't wait to see them!

[@ЮляСамсонова-й2о]

Well ... I was also told that the animation is a big mistake. And now I'm kind a stuck. It turned out that due to the fact that our teacher animator quit, we were left undereducated. I was more fortunate then others and another mentor took me under his wing. He was a puppet animator but he tried to teach me traditional hand-drawn animation (because there were no other traditional animators at that time). I tried to learn the best i can and in the end i was among the best ones on the course. But when I began to work, it turned out that I dont know many nuances and techniques necessary for work ... Also have less practice. And of course everyone needs specialists and no one wants to mess with me. And now I am in a situation when no one do not hire me to work and there is no money for study... I don’t know what to do. I love animation and especially traditional hand-drawn. So now I just sit at home and sometimes draw for my own pleasure. I was hoped that I will work on some cartoon or series in a good team where I could learn from others and just be a part of something ...But for now I dont know what to do and where to go.

[@nachoeld]

thank you man, its been super helpful and well questioned from a buch of very important labor perspectives, great work, helped a lot

[@6lbsofshrimp]

The thing I worry about moving to LA or California is yes I would be earning 30~ USD per hour but doesn't it cost an insane amount to live in even just an apartment? I'm hearing like 3000-4000. It just worries me that that 30 dollars an hour will end up feeling like 8 dollars an hour.

[@sunnysunshine8897]

That's why people get roomates. Share rent.

[@6lbsofshrimp]

@@sunnysunshine8897 I don't want to work a career in an industry and still have to need roommates. I'd like to earn enough to be living on my own.

[@sunnysunshine8897]

@@6lbsofshrimp Lol then good luck with that in Cali! Maybe you can try freelancing at home where you are, but I'm not sure how good that option is...

[@rafaelojeda2777]

Glad i found this video... reassured me of wanting to be an animator! Thanks!

[@nunupon1359]

Personally I was inspired by animation to get into drawing and writing. I stayed up late on a school night and Toonami came on, I was memorized by the show I saw and started drawing the characters, and later on drawing became a part of me. I start as an Illustration major in a few weeks, as much as I love animation I have too many ideas and projects I don’t complete!

[@sillyfloofer]

i keep on second guessing myself. i've been animating for about five years now and i've put so much time of my life towards understanding principles, professionally used programs, and so much more yet i can't decide whether or not this is the career path i should take. i've always loved it, but im so scared i'm going to end up unstable or become less passionate about it all. i'm scared to turn what is currently a hobby into a career, because then it goes from animation being fun to do to something that i have to do in order to make a living. i want to give it a shot, i mean i've put so much into it already that there's no reason to just wave it off, but im just so terrified it wont end up being for me. however, i do feel like i'd enjoy the courses. when it comes to the college aspect, i feel like i'd be pretty successful with it and would enjoy the classes a lot. it'd most likely help my improve with what i struggle with and make me want to learn more about everything. im so unsure about it though, i just really want to be able to be stable. i've considered going into culinary since it's something i was also passionate about, but in all honesty i don't really feel the same spark. i've been so connected with art for so long, and i feel like i'd really enjoy the atmosphere of it all so much more than i would with culinary. aaaaa im struggling so much- it's so scary making the decision of what you're going to do because i feel like it determines the rest of my life. i've been so on and off with choosing animation as a career, especially since i do 2D which seems to be losing its light in the industry, but i guess if it doesn't work out i can always just restart and try something else. this is so scary :(

[@melofox._]

I admit, I am not the fastest animator in the world. I'm not even going to school for it since I'm in college to major Computer Science. Whenever I collab with other people, I tend to not be the best at speeding up with my keyframes. Regardless, I still want to pursue it as a passionate career since I love to draw as a hobby! I may not be the best regarding anatomy or background choice atm, but I still don't want to give up! I know I'll speed up within time and adapt even better! I'm going to keep using my skills and go all round so I can also be part of the animation community, especially since everyone I've encountered are very welcoming and understanding.

[@Felix.Wingfield]

My daughter wants to go to Sheridan in Ontario for animation... However, I've recently learned Canada won't let her in 'cause we're autistic. I'm glad to hear that, hopefully, that won't slow down her career.

[@lockheart619]

That's so terrible and ableist! How are they even able to do that?

[@golfwang8084]

I was gonna apply there, kinda glad I didn’t. The portfolio was intense, I was willing to do it but it was definitely mentally draining. And with the border situation…. I would not wanna be stuck in another country and be unable to come home 😬 So yeah, it’s completely valid to not wanna go there

[@haileyparsons3844]

Really, that’s weird, they shouldn’t be able to do that. (I’m autistic myself) I live in Ontario and I know how competitive Sheridian animation program is alone. (You have to get 89% or higher) If your daughter still wants to go to Sheridan, I would talk to OSAP. Now if she still want to go to college for Animation I would recommend Scenca, or Alogonquin. I attend Loyalist for animation program and I wouldn’t recommend Loyalist, it’s way too small and the teachers are leaving one by one.

[@haileyparsons3844]

@@DavvyKat As someone who lives in Ontario, it’s expensive to go to any animation school in the states, let alone someone with a disability.

[@animator049]

I've learnt animation for the past 5yrs, so far I do commissions at $100 per second

[@41-siddharthabehera6]

Noice man

[@tejeraillustrator3810]

Per second?

[@memelord582]

@@tejeraillustrator3810 Probably not per second worked. I'd assume they're referring to every second in the animation itself.

[@cherryb.8076]

@@memelord582 personally I'm not informed much about this career. 100$ per second seems much at first but it probably takes much time to make

[@memelord582]

@@cherryb.8076 I started learning how to animate just this month, and I can tell you that $100 is actually quite reasonable considering the hours it takes to do each frame. It also depends on how many frames per second are in the animation and the skill level of the animator. It shocked me when I first got started learning because it makes you realize why most studios have switched over to 3D. Though it also makes 2D animation all the more admirable and special. :)

[@GraphicGinger]

I always get so nervous about my future, I have a diploma in graphic design but my true passion is with animation. I'm constantly working to improve myself as I have no formal training (and can't really afford it right now) and I'm always working on personal projects so hearing the end part about NEEDING passion for the medium really comforted me. I want to make it happen.

[@otherprofessions9582]

Hey if you want to learn animation check out this video! kzbin.info/www/bejne/sKLbqamih9l-p80

[@Loralis_]

I'm trying to choose between an animation course and graphic design rn because when I think of learning animation I get really excited but the unstableness of the job and competitiveness is a real turn off. I like how stable the graphic design industry is for example graphic design studios seem to get better rep then animation. It's been a year since your comment maybe you have more insight?

[@snugray_p1659]

I'm nervous about getting into the animation industry. I'm 15, I'm young. But it's all coming so fast now and there are doubts about this. Being good enough, having freedom of creativity, having enough money to financially support myself. It's making me nauseated with thoughts of doubt and makes me feel like I should just do something else in high demand for jobs. Like, a mechanic or a mortician or something. But then, animation is something I want to do. Because I enjoy seeing things come alive. Does anyone else feel the same way? Is there a way to be certified in another job to fall back on but still have your foot in the animation game?

[@MOUNTAIN-098]

Sorry if this is late..... I'm 15 as well and I want to get into animation to! Im working on an independent film called (BUMPER AND CASON)... Anyway you should not give up! Keep going with it get better at drawing stuff be creative!!! I have a broken spine but yet Im still motivated to do what I love!!!! That being said I recommend you have this as a fall back job..... ( Custom designs) It is basically taking making something that you like and putting on stuff like shirts cars stickers etc... For me I do custom bikes and I'm going to work at blaze pizza, it's Okay to feel down or bad.. all that matters is that your willing to make something for people to injoy and I hope you succeed at it👍😄

[@MOUNTAIN-098]

Anyway... What's your show/movie called? Maybe I can help! I know where to get all the mitireals you'll need and I know a little bit about characters! Heck I'll even add up the cost of all of it!!

[@sampogita7455]

Stumbled on this and I was a bit worried at first- But after this video I can say that I really wanna pursue this career! It was really informative,, thank you sob,,

[@sussy9891]

paying for photoshop is just like paying for Netflix.

[@CharyllGabrielCAclao]

i really want to do animation because i really like making my own characters and make them move but idk how so im watching this for the future

[@ysabelmariacartago-garcia265]

Thank you for addressing important points and making young artists’ lives easier ❤️🥺

[@claimingagate]

i want to do it as a career because i have nothing else ive felt so passionate about accept game design

[@laboratory_222]

this was a really cool video, I leaned a lot. I am a second year animation student at College for Creative studies, and im always trying to learn how to better navigate what Ill be getting into. Love your work, really beautiful!

[@buda3d2007]

If you get into it for the wrong reasons (money, lifestyle) you might regret it, do it for the love of the art and what inspires you, if you do it in your spare time to begin with then branch out from there, also try to have a second career choice if you want stability in your life.

[@lumpystilskin5367]

True

[@golfwang8084]

Yes exactly. I’ve always wanted to be an artist regardless of money. Even if I get a low paying job in animation, all I really want is enough to rent a small decent-quality apartment for me and my ferrets lol

[@raelexi]

Thank you for this video and your insight! I’m currently in architecture school, but after two years in, I’m still contemplating on changing my focus to animation. It has always been a passion and interest for me! So I am stuck in between both worlds. I’m trying to gather as much information as possible to make my final decision. So, thanks again for the insight!

[@zealous6832]

As a self-practice 3D animator ((No, I don't share my works on KZbin, yet)) I recently also decided to pick up Chroma Key, where you use Green Screens in Live Action. Thought it'd be cool to learn how to combine my animation methods and adapt them into real life. The greatest weapon for an animator is knowledge. Can you actually do the work? If so, how much of it can you do? Upgrade with those questions in your head, and you'll find yourself with a little Entrepreneur attitude.

[@hamzazad5258]

I wish you make a video about how actually start a career in animation. Like what companies are looking for in a portfolio and what are the other skill useful to an animatior. Stuff like that....

[@Chichilovely666]

Don't try to shrink the competition =.= thank you for making this video. It's nice to encourage people

[@peteredwards2318]

The thing to watch out for isn't ones own abilities or skills. All such things can be trained and learned and refined until saleable. What can't be learned, trained or improved by ones own hand, is the industry itself. Ensure that if you are going professional, you do it in a country that values the skills you have and in which it is common for those skills to be richly rewarded. Don't try and go to Japan to do anime, for example, expecting excellence to gain you the trappings of success (like earning you leisure time, a roof over your head, savings for the future or even a full belly). Even if you're good, you'll be worked to death and have nothing financially or asset wise to show for it.

[@Purpie_Slurpie]

this makes me sad cause I know I'll never be able to actually succeed as an artist I'm just not good enough n can't force myself to draw

[@nicholassiena8895]

I can relate 😔

[@Giovanni_Team_Rocket_UK]

I feel you bro... I have the same problem. I want to create my own webcomic of my story and eventually an animation but my drawing skills suck and I’ve been trying for 10+ years...

[@Squarrel]

​@@Giovanni_Team_Rocket_UK The best I can give you is to get started anyways. You won't get at the skill level you want to be at before you start by always postponing your projects. I can promise you that if you get started now you'll some day get to the quality you want to be at. But you're gonna have to get the right work and experience before that'll happen and the project you're hoping to some day create will be perfect for that :)

[@Giovanni_Team_Rocket_UK]

@@Squarrel Hey. I feel I cannot show off my crappy drawing skills because I know I will be negatively criticised for being crap... I don’t think I can take that criticism. It will make me not want to continue. I’ve tried many ways to improve but it’s not working. I’m Not a perfectionist but I just want my skills to be ‘good enough’ so people would love and admire my work.. I’m not even near that! Plus other problems which are stopping me are a bit personal but I’ll say anyway... I have Asperger’s and learning difficulties... plus low confidence and low self-esteem. So things are quite hard for me in general and restricting me to improve :’(

[@Squarrel]

​@@Giovanni_Team_Rocket_UK I can understand where you're coming from at least a little bit. A dear friend of mine with animation ambitions also shares a couple of your struggles and I've seen how it influences him. There is this funny little thing that applies to him and you probably as well. People are always most critical of their own work. Other than the obvious, what this also means is that even if you dislike or aren't completely satisfied with something you've made, there is a good chance someone else will see something in it that they can greatly enjoy. There are defenitely artists who may not be as skilled as others overall who are still capable of making things people greatly admire them for. No matter where you are in your art journey, your current art will always be at least someones goal. The better you become the more people will belong to that group. If you ever want some help or friendly advise/critique you're free to contact me. I've got some years of experience with mentoring people and I'll gladly extend that offer to anyone looking for some guidance ^^

[@ljsebastian9432]

i really need this right now. thank you ❤️

[@RafiSG]

Thank you for doing this.

[@otherprofessions9582]

Hey if you want to learn animation check out this video! kzbin.info/www/bejne/sKLbqamih9l-p80

[@rowanvezeau5729]

Just wanted to say, these videos are really helpful. As someone who is working really hard to get good at animation and is still pretty young, these give a really honest unbiased idea of what doing this will be like, and helps me figure out what I should improve on! Like learning other styles for example. I'd barely considered how important that is until I saw a video of yours a few months ago, and now I've managed to make a Steven universe run cycle that replicated the style well enough that my little brother got confused and asked if I "worked for cartoons" XD anyway, this ended up being really long but I just wanted to say that I love what you're doing. and thanks!

[@Eng.Falafel]

Hi, Side thing, I bought your course and on Part 4, there is an empty folder named "UPDATES AND NEW ENTRIES CHAPTER 4" can you please check it? Thanks

[@TonikoPantoja]

Its empty, and that folder was made before i knew about gumroad's ability to change files after upload. I now address changes and updates on the files themselves, or add new ones in the product after an announcement.

[@Eng.Falafel]

@@TonikoPantoja Got it, thanks Now Im learning the hand throwing a ball animation :P Good stuff!

[@xprinceorcax]

Wow this was so helpful! I'm still debating whether I just want to do animation on my own or in a studio. This helped! :)

[@unisangalaxystudio]

College was a waste of time, am struggling to do my own studio.

[@DennisTamayo]

I have to find a house in Los Angeles if I start my animation work remotely, including my proposed animated short films this year.

[@SeaSerpentLevi]

Ty for your hardwork toniko!

[@moss5356]

I definitely enjoy animation, and I’m getting better at it. So I guess this wasn’t a mistake for me at least

[@leam1978]

IMO this is a great example of economics determining the production of certain forms of art, especially when the career is determined by corporations. Sorry that you’re struggling.

[@smileguyanimations8776]

I prefer keeping animation on my “fun hobby” side of my life and not the “career job” one.

[@smileguyanimations8776]

@Reverence93 because when I start doing animation as a job or as a career it starts becoming a needy/necessity thing rather than a way to escape from stress/work.

[@fizzydizzystudios4768]

Yeah that’s how I feel as well.

[@smileguyanimations8776]

@Mark Jefferson I don't have one, but I'd probably try going into culinary arts or acting

[@FlashVedder]

This is great I made my own pilot episode and hope to make a KZbin series with the use of motion capture.

[@PHlophe]

owen, share , we'd love to sse

[@FlashVedder]

@@PHlophe thanks, sure here's the link :) kzbin.info/www/bejne/oquVlIKCgMippLc

[@federicovazquez9011]

Hey, thanks for the video. After listening to your input, I think I kind of understand. To be truthful, I have always liked the idea of working in animation, but I’m leaning towards a degree that is more practical for business related careers in case I need a backup career to keep me financially stable. I can understand this industry can be challenging. I do still want to find ways to learn about story boarding and 2D animation that doesn’t require a college education. I’ve heard some people choose self study instead of an expensive art school. Is it possible to learn this skill on my own time just for fun in case I do want to reconsider? It’s like you mentioned many professionals do teach workshop classes.

[@heyhoneybunny763]

Thanks you for this video, help me a lot !

[@cesaraguilar593]

I'm trying to be serious about this but God! I keep hearing "Tiddy animation" 🤣

[@matthewbrookeart]

average for uk and ireland is 20-25k a year for junior 2d designer 30-35 for mid to senior, tends to be higher in London around 40-45 directors get a bit more obv. the usa get way higher XD

[@alancastaneda8322]

If I may add, copyright your personal works! It's cheap and easy! Between $35 and $50.

[@manufafafa]

Thank you very much Toniko Pantoja! You are the best

[@philosophyfrog2653]

There's plenty of jobs in the creative industry because not a lot of people can do it but that is also why so many people fail, not because a lack of jobs or bad pay but because it's too difficult and requires too much practice and discipline and on top of that you need to be very broad and good at advertising yourself. So if you don't believe in yourself and lack the discipline and stubbornness to be able to compete with current industry standards then this is not for you. It is important to be clear about this because it can ruin your life. However if you feel like you check all those boxes then it will be the best career choice you could have ever made.

[@langstonj2476]

so helpful man, thank you! also, incredible work :)