EP-225 | Israel-Iran War, 'Nuclear Option', USA Role with Lt Gen Shukla (Retd) & Lt Col Rajan (Retd)

[@leviathn1239]

This is what we need. A brilliant podcast and it's high time our veterans start integrating into our private space and our people start driving a national strategy based on our own understandings and theory and not based on any other cultures understanding. We are the only ones who know what will be best for us. Jai Hind!

[@sahanaathreya7259]

This podcast really picks up after the first hour! With my background in AI, I completely resonate with what Pavithran Rajan brilliantly articulated about data control. The one who controls data controls the narrative, and ultimately, the one who controls the narrative controls world order. His deep insights on data localization and ICT manufacturing are spot on - it’s crucial that we safeguard our infrastructure and data. Pavithran sir’s clarity and foresight on these critical issues are truly commendable. The future of any nation’s security and sovereignty will depend on how well it can protect and leverage its own digital resources. A must-listen for anyone thinking seriously about these issues!

[@lighteningstrike7206]

Lt Gen Shukla is the best, his depth of knowledge and understanding is extraordinary seeing Gen Shukla gives lot of pride and confidence about Indian defence force

[@lipakpapa]

finally decent guests after long time

[@ankurchaudhary3515]

Smita never loose a chance to cut off when someone is making good point .

[@dhruvkhosla5583]

She is doing it so u get a chance to write this comment. U should thank her. Infact u should do an Aarti of Smita Prakash that because of her u have a digital trace. She has worked all her life with integrity to earn respect, trust and consistency, and have guests over for an open and liberating discussion regardless of their opinions and all u understood from that is reflected in your comment. " Smita never looses" hoga and " making a good point" hota hai making good point nahi. Jai hind aur Vande Matram Mitron

[@ankurchaudhary3515]

@@dhruvkhosla5583 did you really watch the whole podcast ? It’s not one or more time , she’s rushing into things when someone is making a profound point … and what’s with her Bhakti , I get a digital presence or something ?

[@dhruvkhosla5583]

@@ankurchaudhary3515 bhai hindi mein likhe le, jo tu bolna chah raha hai aur jo likha hai usm,ien antar hai. Aur dobara dekh le, she's moderating. she did not alter the chain of thought. you have to cover content from all aspects, cannot leave things open ended, thats the responsibility.

[@mihirvd01]

@@dhruvkhosla5583 Both of you are wrong. It's 'loses' , neither 'loose' nor 'looses'.

[@NoVideo2024]

​@@mihirvd01 Are you Smita with fake account? 😂

[@anujtiw24]

we need more podcast like this gen shukla col pavi brilliant poadcast smita maam.

[@Priya-jn6vv]

Smita, why do you interrupt so much!??? Let them complete or have your self as guest.

[@varishdwivedi1271]

did tell her before as well...I think it comes with journalism😂😂..

[@gaganahuja07]

She has this old habit.. breaks the entire flow.

[@utkarshjain2744]

Shukla bhai really loves listening to his own voice.

[@RamyaAchar]

Very informative podcast ! Both Rtrd Army personnel’s view point inspiring youngsters like us. Lt Col Pavithran is amazing, I really admire how ge is not interrupting while others are giving their points, for the people who are saying they are degrading Indian system should also understand they are talking about the facts that we need to overcome. He rightly said that we just can’t sit here and say why are they fighting!!! Every nation has its unique reason to why they will go to war. We cannot do our AI unless we sort out our ICT. For the people who are saying against him should also have the depth knowledge about the technology and need to understand what he is trying to convey. We all are living with our phones most of the time. If OS is not ours, as he pointed out, if the phone blast happens once, we can reproduce it. Well said !

[@sunnypant9107]

A wonderful free flowing podcast where the two brilliant military minds spoke with openess (sometimes dangerously frank ..😀) and originality. They were professional enough to respect the difference in perception of future warfare and the challenges we as a nation face in addressing these issues. Incisive questioning by Col Pavi who in his own inimitable style brought home the point of why senior military leadership should not sucuumb to the ailing dogma of political & bureaucratic system and must think freely. The General was professionaly honest enough to concede that the three stars & four stars must bring in their A game to prepare for the future wars and not for the last war fought as it would most definitely have disastrous consequences without a bullet being fired. The inherent resistance bred in old school thinking which has often misunderstood and even undermined the need for a fully indigenised ICT was brought to fore during the discussion. It's about time that we break the shackles of our mindset that is overly dependent on the western technologies and build our own fully indigenised ICT systems. If China can do it for themselves why can't India. The only limiting factor it seems is in the space between the two ears at the decision making levels. Special Kudos to Smita Prakash for bringing such topical subjects in her podcasts.

[@colbharatsharma9048]

Fantastic discussions. Highly educative. Gen Raj Shukla must be at the helm of affairs where Defence strategies and futuristic development is concerned. I totally agree that civil- military amalgamation for technology development in India is necessary. But those who get into these sensitive projects for Armed Forces must be brought under Army Act !!! Democracy there can be disastrous. Think !!!

[@adityakalele3556]

This is probably the most invigorating conversation in your channel’s history. Update the title to mention the healthy debate by two competent people discussing importance of strategic autonomy in age of Tech and AI!

[@georgeneha]

This podcast has brought out very important aspects of how seriously India should take it's national security. The need to control crucial technologies has been very well brought out by Col Pavithran, along with the need for the military establishment to wake up from it's stupor and play an active role in defining the national security narrative. Gen Shukla has also brought out valid points on how important it is for the military commanders to understand emerging technological trends and cultivate a culture that encourages out-of-the-box thinking, even if it does not conform to the thinking of the top leaders. Looking forward to more such podcasts. Hopefully the political establishment is listening in.

[@822vipul]

So much information power packed into this podcast is what we need. Definitely made me think more responsibily about my country

[@rajeshtarika3474]

Fantastic Podcast 🎉

[@senturi9645]

1:25:12 : the beep was META !!! Why mute it ???????😡❌

[@dhananjaysingh4501]

what did he actually say??

[@EdWill908]

Israel 🕊 hand is not too short to reach out anywhere and any time. Shalom Jerusalem 🕊 Israel 🕊 🇮🇱

[@adarshabadrinath1304]

Smitaji, Thank you for bringing together a brilliant and very patriotic and sincere people. You and your colleague are also sincere. Great listen🎉

[@harishkidambi8374]

Israel - Iran war, nuclear option I just finished watching the Smitha Prakash podcast on the above topic. I love the ANI SP podcasts featuring many known faces and voices, a special favorite being the samosa caucus. I tuned in to this particular one that featured two high ranking retired army officers, expecting to hear an expert, erudite prediction on the ultimate outcome of the present strife in the Middle East. But, at the end of it all, even such an ominous hashtag appeared like a small signature on one corner of a mammoth canvas, the whole, nearly 2 hour discussion traversing into a sphere, way, way beyond the scope of the title of the podcast. It was so riveting , so all encompassing about warfare, so enlightening but also so intimidating to the intellectual sensibility of an ordinary mortal like myself that, the previous intellectual podcasts felt like nursery school classes! We were enslaved to the couch leaving all other daily chores behind for those couple of hours as we optimistic and boastful citizens were shown on a crystal clear mirror, an unblemished image of the numerous blemishes that set us miles and miles apart from the next imperfect nation, but also felt happy that our ignorance was dispelled to a such an extent that we would be mindful of our next rhetorical proclamation.

[@tarunsinghjadaun1935]

It's always privilege to listen Lt Gen Shukla sir's insights about the geopolitics and military affairs.

[@AgentQ-t5q]

One scary thought to come from this is that most of us still don't understand that cyberspace is the most lethal weapon in this age. We think of Long Range Missiles as lethal in the conventional setting. But now, high value targets can be identified and tracked in real time via the cyberspace or even the AD systems can be sabotaged to fail at stopping the incoming barrage. Thus cyberspace would enable destruction at a larger scale. Another really informative and eye opening podcast!!!

[@AmongGuyOfficial34]

Gen Shukla is really brilliant. We need people like him at thr helm if our country has any hope of existing beyond the next decade

[@SureshKumar-hg3tc]

It was scary the discussions outcome, perhaps it is an eye opening and risk of National Security. I strongly feel General Shukla is the right candidate to suceesser of next NSA. ANI should forward this podcast to Ministry of defence for their information.

[@sam.g.25]

I extend my deepest gratitude to the esteemed panel for their insightful discussion. Their wealth of experience and deep understanding of both military and technological domains shone through in every aspect of the conversation. I particularly commend their call for democratizing think tanks and fostering inclusivity, which is essential for broadening perspectives on advancements in these critical areas. Their expertise, combined with a commitment to more inclusive discourse, is truly inspiring. Jai Hind.

[@Glorytroly9092]

Ohhh duck what a combo of guests 😮 waiting for col. Pavi , Col honey buckshy,& vikram sood sirr

[@hinduwarrior123]

Very very insiteful podcast! Thank you for getting such luminaries for your podcast!❤

[@FriendSanjay]

Thank you ANI. Listening to Gen Shukla's analysis on the Israel-Iran dynamics was an absolute masterclass in strategic foresight. His perspective on the integration of AI and technology beyond mere hardware is spot on. It's not just about the tech; it's about building a comprehensive tradecraft. His emphasis on persistent surveillance, drawing parallels to the Ukraine situation, reveals a deep understanding of modern warfare's evolving demands. Gen Shukla's thoughts on ISRO's limitations in combat scenarios and the criticality of data interoperability ('Data must talk to data') showcase his unparalleled grasp of multi-dimensional warfare. Salute to you, Gen Shukla Sir, for breaking down these complex concepts with such ease and clarity. Your strategic brilliance and eloquence continue to inspire all of us who keenly follow the intricacies of global defense. Jai Hind 🫡

[@humanji21]

Truly said. There were concepts played out in this conversation which, otherwise, would not have struck my imagination. It was well beyond what we commoners could see, perceive and conceive.

[@loneranger345]

We need more Col Rajan❤

[@Rajesh.Rathore]

A truly captivating podcast. Listening to Raj Shukla Ji is an absolute delight-his insights are both engaging and profoundly convincing!

[@prateektyagi184]

What a informative podcast love general Shukla

[@dr_kabirrajput7728]

Lt Gen Shukla Sir is so cool😮😮. I m his fan 🚩🚩🚩

[@chhayeshpatel5833]

Love these podcasts!! Please please please bring in more ex-army professionals!

[@IzodLacoste]

General Shukla is very wise.

[@abhishektiwari802]

Great knowledge depth 🙏🙏

[@longevity..]

Bahot intezaar ke baad, dhanyavaad❤

[@debmalyamukherjee1]

Enough to keep me awake tonight😢

[@hirendesai8343]

Amazing conversations as always SmitaJi !! Thank you to ANI team to bring great education for common listeners - your tone and interaction is amazing. Please keep up the good work.

[@sunilagarwal4187]

It was great learning & understanding warfares & technology. Smitha, Thank you for making this podcast. ❤🙏🏻

[@sidbhardwaj9088]

I started a startup for edtech trying to build an llm for education and same can be extrapolated for military use but the funding and loans are a big issue. Banks Don't even understand the concept of AI or VR and so progress and ideation comes down to just running the business.

[@sasikumart6693]

When a discussion takes place in English, it should be in English only as there are listeners who are not conversant with Hindi. Ideal if the suggestion is followed.

[@Tillu_dream16-39]

If you cannot understand Hindi it's your problem

[@karolbagh3793]

Hindu population declines by 7.8 % since 1947 Thats 10.92 Cr. ( 7.8% Of 140 Cr.) Equivalent to Entire population of Bihar is lost by Hindus Muslim Demography Increased by 6 Cr. (14.09- 9.84= 4.25)% ‭140 Cr. × 4.25% = 5.95 Cr. Equivalent to Entire population of Gujarat is Islamic now

[@John316rose]

Dalit population has increased!! Increase in numbers of reservations. Even brahmins are getting dalit caste certificate to fool people. And Hindus are changing to Christians to settle abroad. Shame on modi for allowing good Indians to go abroad and make stupid Indians stay and suffer

[@ninderPB]

population doesn't matter quality does see israel

[@karolbagh3793]

@@ninderPB population matters see, Afghanistan, Pakistan , Bangladesh , Kashmir , North East

[@ninderPB]

@@karolbagh3793 see middle east they are launching missiles still taking down

[@TagTerritory]

​@@ninderPB where are you on quality? Obviously quantity matter looking at the current situation. Anybody comes in, make fake id cards (I've encountered with)....quality is when people are less in numbers and controlled to give out best

[@gajananranade9429]

Anytime.. ANI.. Time favorite.. Madam, namaskar... After long long time... 🎉🎉

[@rahulroy7665]

I was egarly waiting for this men.

[@droh_it]

Great podcast!! Need to listen to it again

[@poojajadhav2473]

Let the guests speak Smita ji

[@sajin90]

One of the best podcast on national security

[@822vipul]

Request for similar podcast in hindi, it's a guaranteed success and its in national interest

[@mallipudi1]

Thanks!

[@shashikantpandey811]

Gen Shukla should be the next NSA...

[@Vzaitsev]

We need more podcasts like this..

[@nrayc]

Opening statements: It’s not 3. Add the Iran backed Al-Houthis from Yemen where US has directly engaged. Then earlier last week there were rockets fired from IRAQ. Then you have the Syrian front. So it is 5 in total. I have travelled to 4 out of the 5 countries and know the dynamics well. 🙏 Thank you Smita ji

[@Upscanswershub]

Finally great guest again ❤

[@Sumantapaul-ky6ep]

Absolutely wonderful

[@tulipflower2750]

Lt Gen raj shukla is best 🎉🎉🎉

[@vimaldevsingh6619]

finally a good episode

[@indermethil]

I am officially scared for our countey

[@amitpimprale7419]

@ PMO NEEDS TO SEE THIS !!!

[@sharan50000]

I absolutely love your Podcast Smita ji. I do feel your colleague should not feel pressured in speaking in English. He should speak in Hindi and enjoy his flow of questions. We know he knows English Very Well and he can write and communicate in English if need be. But he slows down with his English Questions. When I have to ask serious questions to anyone or shout at my children, I speak only in Hindi. I must not be digging for words when I am serious 😊🙏🏽🇮🇳

[@BBeeblebrox]

I have wondered soo soo many times how vulnerable we could be that we don't even have indigenous messaging apps and social media apps. Techies who are reading this...pls make us self sufficient! This is no longer the time for being service providers for US companies. We need to build our systems indigenously here and have our youth working for that.

[@TagTerritory]

That pain in the eyes, disappointment and hate towards that government does show when tapking about 26/11

[@user-ym1oh3wv4y]

Thorn can be remove by Thorn only Law of Nature can't be changed Can it be... ⁉️

[@JamButt-x1b]

Or any thorn like instruments, safety pin etc

[@vedantjoshi4698]

Gold❤

[@skanda_GOW]

Interesting podcast.

[@prathvirajpatil559]

Who is Col.Sai

[@vaibhavnaik5605]

these two officers are retired and precisely know what improvements are needed. They must have implemented new ideas when they were in service. Such officers should be appointed on Advisory board

[@adarshabadrinath1304]

Smitaji, unlike some comments below, I do not agree that you interrupted the guests too much. You very correctly directed the conversation.

[@Life_is_a_Timepass]

These guys are deviating from the topic. The topic never discussed because they are less equipped to discuss. They seem to be a lot prophetic.

[@manu1166662222]

Plz bring Col Ajay Raina Sir

[@rachnachouhan8268]

Too good👍

[@yaminitumu6713]

Please stop interrupting the guests when they are speaking. You have constantly been talking over the guests and we have loosing out on good content. Please give the guests some respect. 🙏

[@Superduper-w5h]

Without disrespect to the other speaker, please invite general shukla alone. Give him the floor to speak.

[@shushantsharma5073]

These people are laughing and their viewers are enjoying the conversation . But no one knows whats coming. Each war is not the 2 countries problem it is everyones problem.

[@mr.whostheboss9884]

Great

[@amitashrao3070]

difference betweem a Gen and Col can be seen...

[@punumahajan]

General shukla needs to advisor to our education and national security

[@mayankdr]

Feeling really scared for India :(

[@beautykingdom5629]

Nilkeni was brought from pvt sector and he built world class UPI. Why not get him or similar before Vinci comes in and messes with defence

[@amarnathmallik548]

Things are happening since 2024 but we lost 50 years of opening up of economy and nurturing our talents.However we have lot to catch up with our enemies or adversaries advancements. We would do it.We should take more initiatives to catch up the lost ground.

[@hahaha-ni7ug]

Gen Shukla Just Kept on interupting Col Rajan

[@malur1980]

Best gift for this navaratri. Truly loved it.❤❤❤❤

[@Jai_Hind88]

Thank you ANI, please give your platform to Nationalists and not to Shaila, Yana kind of 3rd rated

[@preetmavi346]

Please allow them to speak and don't interrupt

[@jnanp2001]

A good podcast , informative but somewhat disturbing as well. The depth of knowledge of General(Retd) Shukla is fabulous but he didn’t tell us what precautions India and Indian Armed Forces are taking , well just a glimpse of it to reassure us. It is also quite surprising why a person like Pavithran Rajan had to leave Army so early. I also wish you had a civilian specialist to participate and provide another dimension.

[@abhi.c137]

With all due respect, Lt. Gen. Shukla's defensiveness is the very problem we're facing.

[@roforever94]

In reference to Lt col Rajan, am I wrong to say that Islamic republic of Iran is not Persia. Is it not that the acutal persian flee from Iran to India known as Parsis.

[@mrugankkulkarni3977]

Classss

[@hariprasad-vq9dt]

The real discussion starts post 45 minutes ..The General submits that he didn’t encourage use indigenous operating systems because he didn’t understand the technical aspects of it

[@1306tushar]

We see this podcast to listen to experts not to bear unnecessary interruptions by Ajit Dubey … Smita ji plss teach your associate some manners.

[@jitkr1489]

I swear.. dude wants to be heard desperately

[@arpitchaturvedi9314]

this podcast is telling us why current govt is so focus on defence and self-dependent, thats the leadership was needed 30years back.

[@Peaceful_world777]

Israel is the master of strategy

[@thehindu878]

Hindus 🚩🤝🇮🇱jewish I love isreal❤

[@Shompi66]

Jai Bharat 🇮🇳

[@AmongGuyOfficial34]

dear madam, Please please please dont intereupt the speakers when they are making a point. As an anchor you dont need to show that you are up to speed.

[@ooreapers169]

Very nice & enlightenment discussion. All what can happen if good govt is elected . unfortunately the govt which wants to that is not supported fully by majority . Our caste & reservation poltics has tied the hands of govt which is interested to bring this changes. Eg farmers reforms etc. so people should support for that instead of narrow minded politics.

[@doctoranjaneyulu3875]

Ajith Dubey has to learn that we are watching the show not for him nor even Smitha, but for the guests. The interruptions particularly of Dubey are irritating.

[@Gaurkut92]

Finally acha kuch upload kiya hai 😅

[@hemantkulkarni5647]

Let LT COL speak whenever you ask question let him atleast finish what he has to say .

[@futureiitianjee]

For those of you who do not know standard chinese nuclear weapon issue=3000kt standard indian nuclear weapon issue=20kt i am talking about thermonuclear

[@ajkumar6013]

As the general said - full support to Israel to end islamic radicalism.

[@ChiragVarna]

all right, things have to be focused ~ no one should fight here in comment section, I said no one!