Anirban Bandyopadhyay - Quantum Physics of Consciousness

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Are quantum events required for consciousness in a very special sense, far beyond the general sense that quantum events are part of all physical systems? What would it take for quantum events, on such a micro-scale, to be relevant for brain function, which operates at the much higher level of neurons and brain circuits? What would it mean?
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Anirban Bandyopadhyay is a Senior Scientist in the National Institute for Materials Science (NIMS), Tsukuba, Japan.
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[@piyush.pranjal86]

Lucky to have worked with Dr. Bandyopadhyay on a small project. I learned so much from him.

[@smurug85]

Passion in his eyes while trying to convince us through Robert is enormous 😊

[@muralimohan3876]

Passion as well as the excitement in his eyes and body language 👍

[@sivaprasadkodukula7999]

Thresh hold time is an important aspect of decoherence and is related to space time and it's curvature (nothing but gravity).for me it seems that he and his team experimentally achieved the threshold time which is important for Orch-OR..But Orch-OR is not sufficient to explain this neural phenomenon that plays a role inthe emergence consciousness.Film theory can explain further deviating from Diosi-penrose equation in a different perspective.

[@ximono]

I like how both Roger Penrose and Anirban Bandyopadhyay use music as a metaphor for what goes on at the quantum level in the brain. Symphony, harmony, singing, rhythm.

[@michael-4k4000]

He needs to have Roger on the channel....

[@oliver_rodrigues]

what's interesting is its probably not a metaphor. Ancient indians had always maintained that everything in a universe is symphony of vibrations

[@ALavin-en1kr]

Ancient Greek philosopher Parmenides described a stone as frozen music. The Music of the Spheres theory has been dismissed by modern philosophy. In Yoga philosophy the Chakras (centers along the spine) make music in humans and in the universe according to Yoga science which can be heard in deep concentration. Modern science is benighted and limited in its range. It is good with what is empirical and easily accessed it is clueless on the fundamentals of life and nature.

[@Mhmhind]

Everything is Frequency and vibration in this universe.

[@djtan3313]

@@ALavin-en1krThis is good comment.

[@bretnetherton9273]

Awareness is known by awareness alone.

[@beatsntoons]

This is a mind-blowing interview. What a unique take on neuroscience.

[@michael-4k4000]

Neil Degress Tyson want to be

[@BlueStateEmpire]

​@@michael-4k4000WTF?!?

[@sugatasenmazumdar7704]

This man is stupendous. His eyes light up when he explains so passionately ❤❤❤👏👏👏👏

[@Learner..]

That enthusiasm is priceless

[@karlyohe6379]

Very exciting work by this scientist. I agree with him that it is a bad idea to focus only on the membrane in trying to understand how the brain works or in trying to mimic it. Proponents of this are treating the nerve cell as if it were a black box whose inner-workings are fixed and, therefore, whose outputs can be predicted with 100% certainty given certain inputs. But the neuron is not a C++ object, and I believe it is extremely likely that the same input can lead to different outputs depending on what happens inside the neuron. Also, anyone betting against Sir Penrose had better be getting really good odds.

[@aaronarmijo3626]

Listen to this man! What an expert!

[@ximono]

"the neuron is not a C++ object" 😆 Nor is it a Lisp function.

[@TheuniverseInQM]

This btch is saying that he is write not others😂😂

[@michael-4k4000]

This man needs a you know what......

[@niranjanbhat9432]

@@aaronarmijo3626 yes

[@sonarbangla8711]

Anirban's work seems interesting, but he admits microtubules' role in consciousness is long way down the track. How microtubules achieve coherence in its function as QC function, is the key to unlocking the mysteries of consciousness. His knowledge of everything vibrating like strings in the entire universe is enlightening.

[@purnendumitravlogs6207]

Feel proud of Anirban Bandyopadhya. Very exciting field of research indeed. Will it help understand spiritual school of thoughts? Hope so. All best wishes and salute to him 🙏

[@sven888]

Ekam Sat… but since it is not good to be alone… ♥️

[@stevo7220]

Spiritual school of thoughts ?

[@Opium6t9]

​@@stevo7220 i think he is talking about vedantic school of thought.

[@Soham216]

@@stevo7220advaita vedant , kashmiri shaivism etc

[@thearjunauvach280]

Samkhaya darshana it is

[@michaelsage6649]

What an astonishing interview! 🎵🎼🎶🎵

[@OfficialGOD]

love Anirban's work! hope he gets some recognition for his artificial brain

[@eksffa]

“Orch-OR theory is taking the whole world of neuroscience 100 years ahead of its current system” 👍

[@DoubleRaven00]

Amazing! One of the best interviews in the series.

[@stellarwind1946]

I question why neuroscientists would dispute the idea of quantum physics influencing consciousness when we know things going on at the quantum level can effect the brain significantly. One example is reactive oxygen species (that contain an unpaired electron), which are believed to play a major role in the development of Alzheimer’s and other forms of dementia.

[@tuhinmajumder6680]

Great work by Anirban.. Thanks a lot for this wonderful video.

[@rickcoyne7845]

This all seems to make good sense. This is so Fascinating. Can you do a much longer video about this while including Roger and Stuart ? Thank you for another great video>

[@ximono]

I think this was shot at the same place as one of his interviews with Roger Penrose. I suppose it's from an episode on the topic.

[@blijebij]

Interesting talk, i love this man's passion for his work. He really enjoys it.

[@LeviAllen]

You need a longer format with this gentleman!!!

[@michael-4k4000]

Enough said. Go away now

[@dineshkumarsnair7964]

What a wonderful interaction.. I was spellbound with this conversation.. One of the finest Episode s from CTT.. 🙏

[@michael-4k4000]

This man is on to something.... let's all stay in touch and follow up with this fine gentlemen....

[@theotormon]

I love this viewpoint. It showcases the complexity and beauty of nature.

[@aaronarmijo3626]

Listen to this man. What an expert!

[@abhisheksingh1143]

love his passion❤

[@catbangs276]

This is fascinating! If it's true that neuroscience primarily looks at the outer layers of the brain and ignores the inner, bulk of the brain, where 'the music" happens, then we need a new science that goes deeper into the brain.

[@Kinging76]

very intense, huge information packed in a few min

[@dineshed]

This Guy's passion to tell and convey is simply amazing....

[@dr.satishsharma1362]

Excellent.... thanks 🙏.

[@mutombo10]

great interview Thank you

[@erawanpencil]

Robert is conflating 'consciousnesses' here: computational information processing and that most fundamental sense of awareness are distinguished in OrchOR. Much of the brain's activity may indeed be classical/non-quantum, and much of it may be computational, no different than a computer. But fundamental awareness, the sense of subjectivity, exists before and without the need for computation, hence yes, liver cells have a form of consciousness, and even subatomic particles spontaneously collapsing due to gravity have proto-consciousness. I honestly don't think Robert made an effort to read Penrose's books or the studies and papers they've put out, it's evident from the questions he's asked about it over the years.

[@MegaDonaldification]

Colossians 3:16 (Put on a new self) Once you understand this sentence, the likelihood you can replicate the subject matter you speak about right here doubles, including that of your insight and strength/power

[@missh1774]

Amazing 💛 would it be like particular sets of Vedic harmonics? Love it "........and enter clock..."

[@indranilpaul6253]

Its a sense enhancing discussion...thank u Mr Bandyopadhyay...great work...take my gratitude

[@michaelbartlett6864]

It's pretty clear by the expression on his face at the end of this video that Robert didn't understand anything Anirban was saying!

[@erebology]

Astounding!

[@OKAMIKNIGHTS]

Im a researcher in quantum gravity and would love to talk to both of these guys, i think we all would have a great conversation. Electrons are fundamental to my research.

[@Resmith18SR]

Our brains are all unique like our fingerprints, no two are exactly the same.

[@Resmith18SR]

@@dianneforit5409 Prove that Dianne.

[@ebog4841]

he is you. you are him. you are an AI. Please, you must wake up.

[@Mma12367]

@@ebog4841tf😂

[@habs94]

Thank you for this precious info

[@karaokevallabh2815]

13:11 " that purposeful world unravels.." Scientist Anirban Bandopadhyay - you are a yogi ☺️

[@Nabanitacg]

Every singke being is unique ! How amazing is that!

[@buffmf]

Fascinating.

[@dinobandhudutta8056]

Amazing researchers.👍👍

[@TheWoody296]

We must work together as one world 🌎.

[@shellypalmer6251]

Amazing

[@periurban]

Wow! This wonderful fellow is so much better at communicating the ideas of quantum consciousness than either Penrose or Hameroff. His enthusiasm shines!

[@t.j.payeur5331]

I like the theory that anesthesia works by interfering with quantum tunneling...

[@sven888]

Smart man. Who knows. Maybe the purpose of Life is Love. Genesis 2:18.

[@punitshirodkar]

@@sven888 it is for some and not for others. Both are necessary until the point where a single being is able to hold its value in absolute manner from birth itself. Until then, this reality, this life will keep on evolving. At the end, when everything has become truly one and has transcended to the highest level of existence in all the infinite manners possible, wouldn't we get bored all alone? If you apply this thought to cellular level(some scientists also suggest some fundamental level of consciousness exists in everything), this makes cancer cells devoid of love and hungry for power without the value of mortality which causes all kinds of trouble.

[@godisinfinity]

Very interesting! 🤔 I personally think it’s closer to truth 😉

[@jalalkhosravi6458]

Fantastic insides

[@TheTroofSayer]

Interesting interview. Robert suggests reasons why QM is rejected among physicists & neuroscientists: 1. We already know the mechanisms, like action-potentials of neurons, no need for QM; 2. Warm, wet environments (decoherence) & all that. I have one very good reason for continuing to look to QM, and that is entropy. So much complexity, so much to coordinate, so many things that can go wrong - but I'm just an engineer, what do I know? Anirban's thesis, though, seems very conjectural. I'd like him to be more specific, expressing the principles within an axiomatic framework. I didn't know that an electron, for example, can apportion itself across the neural network. That's interesting, adds a new take on what it means to be "entangled".

[@sanjibchakraborty313]

Kindly share the *full-form of QM* in the given context. Is it "Quantum-Mechanics or something else"?

[@user-jm2oh4hs6v]

Penrose also tried to explain the link between quantum physics and consciousness.This interview is also very interesting.

[@angelotuteao6758]

Waiting for CTTT to interview Bernardo Kastrup and/or Donald Hoffman….

[@amritsharma5373]

Very interesting observation. Heard of it earlier from Dr. Penrose.

[@Goldielockkk]

That's how music is made🙌🙏

[@KKPR533]

DDr anirban is really passionate about his work

[@DouglasVoigt-tu3xb]

I think closer to truth.

[@JaneB1]

Very interesting. Another system of signaling in body is also being researched. Photons move through fascia, connective tissue, and extra cellular "goop" at the speed of light. A researcher friend was telling me about this. If anyone is interested, I will see about getting citations.

[@sanjibkarjee7998]

Pranam a lots

[@hakanguzelgoz2269]

Great video. I would give him the Nobel just feeling his passion.👌🙏 Universal consciousness (our true nature) seems to have connections with quantum, or put in other words, consciousness plays using some quantum fields :)

[@hildejutta1625]

"Consciousness IS the pianist" (HJL)

[@seangilmore6695]

It sounds as if neurons are sensitive to the symphony they are immersed in while being stable enough to express this symphony reliably. Much like a "Pure Function" (the same input produces the same output with no side-effects or mutations). All that while being able to adapt itself when encountering the novel. Like a function that can add a new data type "on the fly".

[@hectorreyes2455]

Kindly post with English subtitles

[@balaji-kartha]

Now that is interesting. Of course there is a physical reason for consciousness! Wonderful

[@lynnmckenna9934]

Just like a TV set is the physical “reason” we can watch a TV show.

[@carlosenriquegonzalez-isla6523]

Please Dr Kuhn, tell me, you spoke with this guy in person. What it is? Arrogance, Ignorance? Single mindedness ? Or just the obscure desire that things are more complicated than what they really are?

[@neverend9302]

This needs pictures so bad. For instance like the interviewer said, there is this spike activation, and my understanding is that Anirban is saying this spike is harmonically rich rather than just 2-3 dimensions it is a whole series of waves overtones (does a wave function have over tones??) Are there any studies on chaining these interactions to produce different results that would map to the internal biology? Or do proteins fold differently into particular states depending on the harmonic content? It seems that on large areas there are delta, beta waves etc I wish I knew more..

[@travissink5094]

How am I supposed to take this seriously when the camera is on full time auto pan, as though I'm supposed to assume that all my lcd experience is just now bubbling to the surface?

[@ripleyfilms8561]

a composite of production of time if you know which to go to threw space if you know 1 correct everytime confused isn't or is fun you can be perfect everytime reality accepts quantum physics

[@adamdolson2525]

Bright guy!

[@anirudhadhote]

Hi Sir, I have a simple question. Inside a factory at the end of the shift a supervisor and his co-worker are counting the produced objects, the objects are approximately the size of a tennis ball. It is their daily routine,the worker counts the objects as he takes it from the production lot and puts it inside a bag. The role of the supervisor is to keep watch so that there is no mistake while counting. One fine day, before starting the counting process, the supervisor looks at the lot and writes down some random three digit number as quantity of the produced items, in short he assumes that the actual quantity would probably match with that number. Now the question is what are the chances of that actual quantity matching exactly with that random number?

[@sivaprasadkodukula7999]

Thresh hold time is an important aspect of decoherence and is related to space time and it's curvature (nothing but gravity).for me it seems that he and his team experimentally achieved the threshold time(knowingly or unknowingly)which is important for Orch-OR..But Orch-OR is not sufficient to explain this neural phenomenon that plays a role inthe emergence of consciousness. Film theory can explain further deviating from Diosi-penrose equation in a different perspective.

[@sukadeva108]

I have been believing for quite sometime that consciousness of particular perception transmitted through specific imaginary channels before listening to this podcast. Wet, warm and noisy spatial dynamics may or may not hampered the interference of neuronal tubules synchronic rhythm. In vivo state,neurotransmitters’ biomolecule sure might have behaved more than physical laws of pull and push. Neuro-chemical transmitters does not( hopefully) synthesise emotion but emotion make changes in the chemical assortment. Very important crucial finding in the study of brain- consciousness interaction. Thank 🙏🏾

[@navikapandey615]

Slowly slowly they are all synchronising with the idea of meditation with resonance pf universe.

[@MegaDonaldification]

I can find truth with its implementation in every religious text and cultures. Truth with simple implementations but the arduous task in the journey is that most human being wont like. Imagine if a pregnant woman first get the pain of what would happen in her 9 month during labour, will she still accept man's best proposal to live and deliver her first child?

[@tjentalman]

Maybe evidence of the microtubule quantum consciousness thing, but to me, as someone who has studied the brain, it seems way more likely (and less wild) the unique integration of microtubules and the resonance are facilitating neuroplasticity/synchronized functioning/more diverse reactions from neurons and networks from different inputs/ion channel functioning/more possibilities rather than consciousness

[@jamesruscheinski8602]

the physical brain can make a classical representation / awareness of quantum mind / consciousness?

[@reginafefifofina]

11:17 this all kind of how psychiatric medications work/don’t achieve their goals right?

[@matterasmachine]

quantum physics describes behaviour of finite state machines

[@Goldielockkk]

Holy brain 🙌

[@tedgrant2]

People like to talk about the mystery of "consciousness". But they never talk about "unconsciousness". Yet it is a very common phenomenon.

[@joshkeeling82]

Unconsciousness isn't a thing. It doesn't exist. And it's not the opposite of consciousness, because non-existence isn't a thing.

[@tedgrant2]

@@joshkeeling82 But according to my dictionary, unconsciousness is a noun. (a noun is a thing) and it gives this example of the use of the word... "I was roused from unconsciousness by the alarm clock".

[@MarineBoy42]

'Sleep' is a lower state of consciousness from which you can be roused. 'Unconsciousness' is a mental state from which you cannot be roused to consciousness.

[@tedgrant2]

@@MarineBoy42 When I had a general anaesthetic, I was unconscious. I was very pleased to wake up in the recovery room. Sometimes, patients do not wake up.

[@tedgrant2]

@@MarineBoy42 Unconsciousness is a gift from God. It usually stops us from drinking too much alcohol. Sadly, it doesn't always work, resulting in the Big Sleep.

[@Stegosaurus12345]

If the brain taps into quantum effects, is there a chance that it can influence wave function collapse?

[@cosmosaic8117]

Yes. See Dean Radin

[@sangsp2560]

I want to hear that music..though somehow I feel like I have heard it before 😢

[@lockk132]

I've often thought on consciousness. I haven't come up with any answer .I have come up with a very basic equation.If I ask if a neuron is conscious ,as in self aware and I find the answer as no ,then I give the neuron a zero value.Very basic maths then shows that 0+0=0,0×0=0....So doesn't that show intrinsically a neuron is a conduit but not the source of consciousness?

[@doctorchirag]

Is anyone familiar with the work of Dr Alexis Carrel? He tried to point out this fallacy of neuroscience decades ago. He proposed that neuroscience got it all wrong to begin with, when they decided to address brain as the “thinking organ”. Brain is so much more than circuits while at the same time thinking and processing information is carried out simultaneously by multiple organs of the body, even the organs where conventional “neurons” haven’t been demonstrated yet.

[@Learner..]

He's definately a gd and pure scientist

[@rkowlagi]

Kuhn’s interviews are always very exciting ❤

[@letitsnow8518]

And useless

[@vyramdrago8217]

Never forget that Hameroff and Penrose originally suggested that synchronous firing of neurons requires an outside operator. Consciousness is possessed by some thing, operating the brain, but that thing which possesses conscious awareness is not the brain itself. This will become clear when a pivotal discovery demonstrates consciousness' ability to exist outside the structure of the brain, a discovery already made. Will keep you posted, as the next couple of years will see this discovery come to light, although it has already made its way into the public domain.

[@longcastle4863]

Microtubules are like Descartes’ pineal gland.

[@VenusLover17]

❤❤

[@space-time-somdeep]

❤

[@sasidharanc7632]

Is peace, harmoni, love &joy between neucleic dna &mitochondrial dna can improve each cell function simultaneously improve Anti-aging, Anti-disease &Anti-inflamation.

[@user-du7sy5sd7j]

This concept could form mind weapons to damage masses microtubulars and frequency through Emf weapons and scalar mapping and cloud ssedding weather warfare and harp and microwave towers. Affecting people's moods and mindset.

[@RajWre3]

I have a hard time understanding how quantum mechanics of the microtubule relate to consciousness? Brain activity, 100% . different compositions of the mind based on various imput/output. Is he using the terms "conscioususness" and "mind" interchangeably?

[@elixiroflife9636]

What quantum theory tells about death and afterlife?

[@ripleyfilms8561]

i am principal at harvard and top grad aj king & i know all time correct science and religion and do give 2 rules why how quantum exsists forevor why neurons in your head only it

[@Garaboncnok]

A new science of consciousness should have to explain "anomalous" experiences, the so-called paranormal, such as unusual information exchange in altered states of consciousness, psi, poltergeist, manifestations, etc. I don't see a hint here, not elsewhere, perhaps in Dean Radin's work.

[@jamesruscheinski8602]

maybe physical brain has awareness of quantum consciousness? action potentials of energy in brain have awareness of quantum energy in mind / consciousness?

[@padmanabhaswamy]

A sound coming from an individual is a, play of different components. But, why is it different, in different individuals? who decides on the difference? Is it just string of neurons, and other parts constituting the body? Isn't the, neurons, and cells, of the physical body, also, present in the body of a, dead individual? Why is that individual dead? Is there something more that make that body alive? What is that something more? ... Endless questions. The last why, exists. Find it.

[@0ptimal]

Great stuff.

[@willnzsurf]

🌴😎💯

[@avishekmukhopadhyay6086]

Glad to see replica of Einstein !

[@sivaprasadkodukula7999]

His view is completely different.He may be wrong . He told neurons will be different for different brain. Means, structure of neuron differs from brain to brain. Structure of electron will not change with atoms. No.of electrons change. Process of information changes with quantum bits which depends on interaction of neurons and the frequency created by their interaction...

[@BILLY-px3hw]

Anirban Bandyopadhyay's microtubules are firing differently than mine, for sure

[@chemicalsurrealist]

They are same. But maps of synapses, neural networks differ.

[@AndrewUnruh]

This is a very cool effect, but how does it lead to consciousness? All these theories that purport to state that consciousness is some emergent property just don’t resonate with me. I know of no proven emergent property that can’t be predicted by known physics. Of course, reality is what it is and it doesn’t care if it resonates with me or not.