Annie Hopper, Founder of DNRS, Explains How to Rewire Your Brain to Recover from Chronic Illness

[@fayeadams285]

Having lived with MCS for 6 terrible months. I can only say Thanks to Annie Hopper, founder of DNRS (Dynamic Neural retraining system)and I am extremely happy to say that it gave me back my life.

[@MEhealthcoach]

I was diagnosed with ME/CFS in 2012. Very ill. Couldn't work. Still ill 2020 but heard Annie Hopper talking about her recovery from MCS and I thought, "That's like me! My body overreacts to EVERYTHING. Any stimulus is too much - noise, light, movement or activity, certain foods..." So I wondered if what made AH better could make me better, whether my limbic system was overresponding to what it perceived as "danger". I ordered DNRS and did it Sept 2020 to March 2021. It made me LOADS better. I then topped it off with learning about Dr Sarno's work - and hey presto! I am no longer ill! No symptoms by Dec 2021. One relapse April 2022 but fine since then - bit weak and no stamina due to having been inactive for so many years, but not ill. In a nutshell, our brains give us symptoms to protect us from perceived danger. Also brains love patterns so we get "stuck in a rut". Luckily our brains are neuroplastic - we can change them. This is the key! Good luck to anyone out there on the journey to wellness - stay determined and you WILL find a way.

[@YoungChunds]

Could you elaborate on how Dr. Sarno’s work assisted in your healing process? Once identifying the problem, did he have a healing program of his own; or did he just help you understand concepts? I’ve been doing DNRS for many months. It’s helped aa great deal, but could use an extra boost

[@MEhealthcoach]

@@YoungChunds Hello. I read a book by Dr John Sarno called "The Mindbody Prescription". He doesn't have a programme of his own (and he's dead now) although Nicole Sachs was a student & colleague of his. She believes that if you understand what Sarno outlines in his books (that the brain creates pain to protect you) and also journal, then your body no longer perceives the repressed emotions as dangerous and therefore doesn't protect you from them with pain. I recommend that you look up Nicole Sachs - she explains it better herself, has a lot of free resources out there and explains "JournalSpeak" in detail. Dr Howard Schubiner also has the same ideas as Dr Sarno and has free info out there too (good recent talk with Dr Chatterjee explaining it - I will find link and post it). Anyway, back to your question: Sarno's work felt like the last piece of the jigsaw for me. Things fell into place and I could feel my mind shift. However, you need to understand that i had been unwell (starting with depression, then Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, then full-blown M.E.) since about 2002. I had to fully focus on my recovery. I worked on understanding what M.E. is; why I had it; what I was doing to perpetuate the illness.... which took me years and even then didn't stop it! I'm sure everyone's journey is different. So Sarno just helped me understand the concepts. There is something called "a book cure" and reading his book ("Mindbody Prescription") did that for me - although i had done a ton of groundwork and was beyond ready! I was wondering if I would be ill forever, as so many people told me.... but miraculously I wasn't - which actually was what i always believed. There were people on the Internet telling of their recoveries and I always believed I could do it (I sometimes wasn't sure I would but I always believed I COULD!) If the DNRS course has helped you, then you are getting closer. Your brain is changeable (neuroplastic) and you are changing it. You might have old trauma that keeps your brain in fear patterns (doesn't have to be "big T Trauma") or emotional stuff like Nicole talks about that you need to release before your brain feels safe enough to stop protecting you with symptoms. If that sort of thing is still there then no amount of brain training can cure you. Sorry if this all sounds confusing and crazy - it is complex and the reason you are ill will depend on who you are, the experiences you have had and how your survival system has reacted to them. All the best anyway, Kate xx

[@MEhealthcoach]

@@YoungChunds This is the doctor, Howard Schubiner, that I mentioned - see link below. He explains the concept that cured me quite well: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oYquaKiqlspqeck

[@MEhealthcoach]

@@YoungChundsTry looking into what Sarno calls TMS (Tension Myositis Syndrome), Schubiner calls the same thing MBS - MindBody Syndrome or Symptoms. Dan Buglio on KZbin has a lot of videos on TMS and how to recover...

[@YoungChunds]

@@MEhealthcoach thank you for the in depth response, Katharine. I seem to find a lot of comments from people who, while appreciate Annie and all her work, were missing one key element to give them that extra nudge. I’m in the process of reevaluating some information and will look into your references. I’m a little undecided on how to deal with emotional trauma part (lower case T trauma in my case). When I first got sick, I read Carl Jung and Freud on how to analyze the subconscious or shadow self and reintegrate it into your conscious. After reading Annie and others I learned I might just be reinforcing trauma by over analyzing these things. They said not to ignore or repress it, but at the same time don’t over analyze it, just let the thoughts come and go. Does this differ from what you found to work??? Even at times during DNRS when I felt 90% better, I would still have negative intrusive thoughts. One-on-one trainers assured me this would go away with time, but felt there must be some other mental exercise to alleviate these sudden thoughts. Congrats on having lasting success, and thanks for the info

[@bevillenz]

Wow, Annie Hopper has so much wisdom. Didn't fully appreciate her till now.

[@trandom2083]

God bless the healthcare professionals who have the determination to figure out the mysteries to heal themselves and bring others along w/ you! I purchased the program a few yrs ago and watched the cds , read the book but wasnt ready to do daily practice w everything else going on ( many yrs undiagnosed neuro lyme w all the symptoms) ironically Im a former RN w psych degree and also past trauma and this just made sense although struggled to wrap my mind around it w all the symptoms. 5 yrs of alternative treatments have improved but just not myself. A former Lyme sufferer who acheived full recovery reminded me of this and Im doing daily practice now as I hope the final piece of the puzzle. Much love to Annie Hopper and your handsome host for bringing awareness to the complete healing that can be acheived.❤

[@MrSKlim]

Her program wasn’t for me. But I still owe SO much to her. Because it was her program that came up at recommended after being home bound with my unexplained illness. That let me into the long road of recovery and being at 85% I’m so grateful.

[@jackiegroden416]

Same… DNRS was way too much for me to handle at the time I joined…but it put me on this path of healing and finding another program that better suited where I was at… but very grateful to her.. this interview was great!

[@RicoTheUnknown]

Can I ask what you both used in the end? Thanks 🙏🏼

[@dommccaffry3802]

Which other programmes did you use please ?

[@santeenl]

@@RicoTheUnknownLP maybe or Dans program

[@a11j]

would be more responsible to share more and explain what else did you do.

[@alexandraalbertz1442]

She recovered with Lightning Process by Phil Parker which would've been nice to be mentioned. What is strikingly interesting is the fact that there are so many elements from LP in DNRS. I would've expected some credit to be giving in that matter.

[@SunnyCarnivore]

How do you know she used another program? If you are going to make an accusation like that you should back it up with fact that you can prove or else you just look like a BOT

[@alexandraalbertz1442]

@Sunny Romano ohh...Phil Parker who designed Lightning Process said she used LP to heal herself in a comment under one of his videos about CFF on youtube. You can also read Phil Parker book about the Lightning Process tools for happiness and you be the judge in if the steps are similar or not. And Lightning Process wad created 25 years ago. DNRS helped a lot of people. I think it should mentioned the inspiration of its creation that is all.

[@alexandraalbertz1442]

@Sunny Romano I respect all programs. For exemple I fully recovered using a brain retraining program and I have an interview with my recovery and the program I used. I mentioned in the interview the fact I used a program before the second one and that first one did not work and I did not mentioned what program did not worked because whoever watches my video I do not want to get discouraged. So I am all for brain retraining but I am also for credit where credit is due

[@chrismeek882]

Which program did you use to recover?

[@alexandraalbertz1442]

@@chrismeek882 ANS Rewire

[@homemakersheart3614]

Thank you for this interview. After 19 yrs of CFS, I found DNRS 2 1/2 months ago and nothing has done for me what this program is doing. Persistence, and remember your 'Why', you will get there. I haven't had to rest but 1 time in 2 1/2 months, and that once was because I had 4 major events in one day. GO ME!!! Thank you Annie. I look forward to life after recovery.

[@santeenl]

How were the last 2 months? are you back to life?

[@homemakersheart3614]

@@santeenl Hello! Thank you for asking. I am at about 4 1/2 months of practice and continuing to progress to full recovery. It takes different lengths of time for different folks and I have accepted that. I no longer "expect" my body to jump into ship shape of what I want (forcing solutions) rather I do my practice as the program is layed out, letting my brain rewire and the symptoms fall away as they will. Which I see several small shifts each week. I can now eat things I haven't in many years and physically can see many improvements, like grocery shopping and no longer have to rest in my car in between stores. I track them with post it notes on a poster board for inspiration. It's so wonderful to see it half-full of even little shifts. Particularly my thinking. Catching negative thoughts and redirecting seems to be key and the biggest tip I've heard from those who have recovered. Blessings to you!

[@santeenl]

@@homemakersheart3614 awesome! I joined primal trust last week :) starting with rewiring soonish

[@user-zs7rd2rp6b]

@@homemakersheart3614 can you give concrete example on what you do to recover .. like what is the DNRS practises you actually do?

[@kala9907]

​​@@homemakersheart3614 how are you now. How did you handle flares up?

[@trandom2083]

"Rouge threat mechanism" such a great way to summarize whats happening

[@dominiquevickery8806]

OMG every thing she said is what I been going through for years... Its a fight each day to live through this and yes I lost so many who dont care. I guess I need to look into this

[@glendarobertson7843]

Get alot of money 1st

[@mluckphoto]

Wow, thanks! This is very helpful!

[@jennamb87]

Can the dnrs work while still living round mold ??

[@yuhz1m1]

I assume it would. I'm using it to recover from (among other things) a hypersensitivity to an environmental trigger that I wasn't able to move away from. And it's working for me. You can probably give DNRS customer care a call to discuss further.

[@yuhz1m1]

Hey again Jenna. I just realised that she addresses that very question at about the 35:00 minute mark of this video. The short answer is "yes", but give it a listen.

[@7HEREALDON]

What's the general cost for something like this? My body is still messed up from mold and I've been in some flares but believe my new home is clean since I've made some nice progress but it's been a rollercoaster

[@7HEREALDON]

@Poire Tartin itraconazole seems to be doing more than anything else :)

[@stevealexander1703]

How do I get the program

[@floramondecar9884]

Go to the link for DNRS

[@mindful__gardener]

The limbic system isnt impaired or injured. Its working perfectly fine. Its perceiving danger everywhere and sending ⏰️ alarms. Its job is to keep you alive. It doesnt care if you suffer. So it will throw on alarms and ask questions later. What we have to do is bring down our baseline and turn off Alarms the symptoms will go as a consequence.

[@thewaterprophet6880]

Oh my god - reaction to exposure. I’ve actually collapsed in the perfume department of the airport. Crying and literally sprinted down the road when I smell cigarette smoke. The actual only way I’m surviving at the moment is to make myself toxic. I know that’s insane but as a numb zombie like everyone else I can just about cope.

[@janedenker4833]

Annie program gave me my life back

[@lkececi7513]

Loved this, I've been saying for a while now - I'm getting mixed messages from brain, you've explained it all, I'm 63 - i had menopause in miniature, PMT for a while, now reliving IBS but not as bad - in my opinion my brain is remembering IBS, because I spent so many years 'attempting to talk to my subconscious mind - I have naturally moved onto talking to ANS in the same way, my little system is haphazard, thanks for all this

[@antoniomedusa8454]

this is the most amazing thing i have heard and i did know that the body is a powerful tool

[@FindYourFree]

this was really a great interview. Annie Hopper is a wealth of wisdom. I am excited to journey with DNRS

[@glendarobertson7843]

Yeah well who wldnt be at what she charges for the program. If you dont hv a pocket of money she wont even talk to you. Got the program need answer to questions that came out with this program. Now they want more money to talk to a counselor. She been on these same paths. She has no excuse except creed. 😮😢

[@AnneAlready]

@@glendarobertson7843 You don't need the program (or any program). You can learn brain retraining based on the same NLP foundations most of the programs are based on from Phil Parker's book or one of various others - Loz Evans for example has one related specifically to CFS if I'm remembering correctly. Books are free from libraries or sometimes in pdf format online. The only thing these $$$ online programs have over a book, is that they're structured to encourage you to apply the practice consistently enough to see changes and usually you have access to a group for accountability or support. If you understand the concepts (from a book) and apply them consistently you don't even need a "tribe" or group, honestly.

[@alexandra5127]

He’s back! Great episode :)

[@healingjourney722]

Great interview thank you both!

[@zscioli]

Thank you so much for this interview… I really needed this today. Bless you both ❤

[@glendarobertson7843]

Bought the program. Opened the book . One of the 1st steps is what do you want. The book has laid on a shelf for years now. What if all you want is death. Nothing from nothing leaves nothing.

[@selinawilson6024]

Great questions! Thanks for this interesting interview. Im going to find out more

[@dionrodella9633]

I can’t say I met K yesterday and she knows you Annie. I work at el castillo retirement in Santa Fe. She pointed me to you. And I can’t wait to start the journey!

[@janetfagan7536]

Yes, but what did you actually do to get better. You said you started to work on it but you don’t say what you did and how you did it. I’d love to know

[@ihuman7253]

Y’all must read her book wired for healing if this sounds like u

[@RicoTheUnknown]

Really great episode. Thanks so much 🙏🏼🙌🏻

[@monicaz4949]

Can MCS to be triggered by actual damage from a head injury? And in such a case, can training your brain to ignore warning bells in terms of chemical exposure, be dangerous to your own personal well-being?

[@StarHarvestOfficial]

Head injuries and all trauma make the limbic system go haywire. There's limits to everything, obviously (a brain retraining program wont make a paralyzed person walk, but it can make somebody with CFS walk for example), but it's definitely worth a try.

[@christinal.suarez1838]

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[@StarHarvestOfficial]

Thinking about checking out DNRS tbh. Did you enjoy it? I know you gave it a try and it was tough to keep up with, but if somebody committed 💯 do you think it's good?

[@TheChronicComeback]

i havent done it personally but it seems to form the basis of many recoveries!

[@lindawallace369]

I have used DNRS. I am now 100% well. She recommends it for 6 months but I did it consistently for 3 months and then sporadically after that.

[@mordyprupas6904]

@@lindawallace369 what issues did you have?

[@clemensh6214]

Interesting thanks for sharing! How much did you spend on the program?@@lindawallace369

[@Mamoo777]

Love this!

[@dommccaffry3802]

I had heard from reliable sources that she did a brain retraining course herself that is quite well known. If that is true, then not mentioning that would be extremely disingenuous.

[@YoungChunds]

Do you know which one. I guess that would have been quite awhile now

[@dommccaffry3802]

​@@YoungChunds lightning process

[@YoungChunds]

@@dommccaffry3802 wow. Has lightning process even been around that long?

[@dommccaffry3802]

​@@YoungChunds yes, it has.

[@alexandraalbertz1442]

@@YoungChunds 25 years

[@jzu10]

All I hear…buy my program…ugh!

[@DrLoNoel]

Well, it works. 😂

[@FindYourFree]

uhhh because it helps people

[@JanaWellbourn-ss1ps]

It works

[@JanaWellbourn-ss1ps]

It works

[@AnneAlready]

Oh absolutely she should have come on this podcast and loudly declared "don't buy my program". Where is the eyeroll emoji...