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[@hiskilu]

“I don’t ignore God’s messengers whilst you do” 🎯💯

[@logicalmuslim1590]

💯

[@Seeker-ec1dd]

what is more important the message or the messengers, the visitor had genuine concerns regarding the message.

[@yams9717]

@@Seeker-ec1ddhow would you get the message without the messenger?

[@logicalmuslim1590]

@@Seeker-ec1dd I don't think his concerns are genuine.

[@freedomjustice113]

Drop the Mic

[@seanou2837]

I like how he pretends to be atheist so his beliefs aren't questioned and then he gets triggered when Daren made a comment about his beliefs.

[@alphauno6614]

Darren?

[@JIF248]

​@@alphauno6614 Hamza's name

[@alphauno6614]

K@@JIF248

[@seekkeith23]

meanwhile in holy book of islam, a pagan origin of name muhammad! Who were a family of profit mu ham mad!!! who were these slaves of al lah in hell fire? (father) Abdullah ibn Abd al-Muttalib (mother) Amina bint Wahb (grand father) Abd al-Muttalib Shaybah ibn Hashim, Servant of Muttalib Muhammad they were slaves of pagan god , muttalib. On the seventh day he made sacrifice for him and invited Quraysh to see him. When they had feasted, they asked, "O Abd al-Mutalib, what have you thought of naming this son of yours you have honoured?" "I have named him Muhammad," he replied. "Why", they asked, "have you preferred him not to have one of the names of his kinsfolk?" "Because I wanted God to praise him in heaven and His creatures to praise him on earth," he replied. The name Muhammad (ﷺ) was given to the Prophet by his mother and grandfather, padan god worshipers.. the name Mohammed carries the meaning of “the praised one” or “the one who receives praise.” who is this pagan god, al lah of his mother and grandfather , was praised to? a pagan god!!!! Muhammad was praised by pagan gods!!!

[@alphauno6614]

@@seekkeith23 Bro you guys literally make idols of Jesus (peace be upon him) and bow to it but are calling Muslims pagan? Lol wake up

[@Rasheed21]

The ludicrousy and irony of being certain that nothing is certain 🤦‍♂

[@logicalmuslim1590]

For atheists, nihilism is a safe haven.

[@BennyBlanco481]

Believing a man flew on a horse to heaven to play with the angels is genuinely laughable.

[@abdinour8606]

@@BennyBlanco481you have a brain is laughable to me too so it’s not surprising

[@mostafaghannam5624]

​@@BennyBlanco481 play with the angels? But you believing you came from nothing and is ancestors with a fish isn't laughable?

[@mostafaghannam5624]

A flying horse is lunacy to you, but believing in the greeks s morality of democracy, who believed in pegasuses, multiple deities and gorgons and minotaurs isn't? Or the wild animals we have on earth today that seem crazy if you mention it to someone unkowledgable? So you deny the messenger because of the Buraq? Do as you want to.

[@_Z.K_]

The ending was powerful, not only addressed the atheists question, but also exposes the crux of his disbelief.

[@t4fseer935]

Time stamp

[@nasirimani5058]

​​@t4fseer935 Atheist asked how can you know God when God is unknowable... Hamza responded.."Because I don't ignore God's messengers, but you do." The answer was brilliant!

[@nizamknight]

this guy is going all over the place, props for the patience i could never have may Allah reward you

[@FullyAutomaticAddict410]

And takes FOREVER getting his point across!! 😫

[@user-ut4ty2hv9x]

😂😂 I am a decent person darren: who says? man: good question. 🤣🤣🤣

[@hammadmaqsood7884]

"I'm a good person I do this this and this, and I believe in God" "So become a Muslim, that's what Islam teaches" "well you see, well, well [insert excuses]"

[@Akolgo_islam]

I’m listening in, but got my 4yr old to entertain he want help with his minecrafting! 🤲☪️salaam all❤️

[@hamzahmatise3333]

😂 nothing interesting wth this atheist anyway...

[@insertrelevantmeme9219]

Build that kid a house 👉

[@habib1379]

MashAllah, that is precious, enjoy the time Allah blesses you with. May Allah increase you in this life and the next and keep us on the path that earns his love.

[@manwich5364]

It's dangerous to generalize the chosen, but it is not dangerous to generalize anyone else. Typical behavior.

[@drive-2786]

jewy is always very tricky .since the beginning of time ,like the shaving of the woman head to wear the wig ,claiming well its not their hair that is showing but its the wig.

[@fonsalvarado]

Zero accountability culture

[@shahidabdoullakhanzorovr1564]

​@@fonsalvarado Dem Western secular lib tings.

[@manwich5364]

@shahidabdoullakhanzorovr1564 all things you just mentioned are jewish.

[@Azamkhan-yv5th]

​@@shahidabdoullakhanzorovr1564 hahahaha that was savage brother..

[@a.ld.b.9204]

Muslims say "bismillah" before eating and drinking.

[@MrKoyesali]

He does not want the Quran to call him disbeliever

[@KnowledgeBoutique]

This guy invests so much energy, time and self-deception to shield himself from his terror of being wrong about the absence of a Creator.

[@KheliMohi]

„bc i dont ignore god‘s messages whilst you do“ what an ending. Unbelievable felt like the k.o in a boxing match. Also i feel like hamza changed im a positive way, much calmer, listens carefully and always thinks twice before he speaks. Mashallah what a Man. May allah reward you and accept your duas for what you are doing for this community my brother. ♥️🇵🇸✌🏻

[@Summer-cu7do]

The beginning of the book: “there is no compulsion in religion.” Beginning of the book: “not all of them are the same. Some of them are good and sincere people.” Late beginning of the book: “except allies of those whom you are in a treaty with or those who are wholly opposed to fighting you or fighting their own people. If they don’t want to fight you and offer you peace, Allah does not permit you to harm them.” Early middle of the book: “and thus we wrote upon the children of Israel that killing one innocent person is as if you have killed the whole human race, and saving one innocent person is as if one has saved the whole human race.” The middle of the book: “don’t curse the disbelievers lest they curse Allah in retribution, not knowing the repurcussions” Later middle of the book: “Allah has not prevented you from being good and fair to those disbelievers who didn’t fight you and persecute you for your religion or expel you from your homes. Verily Allah loves those who are just.” The end of the Quran: “you have your religion and I have mine.” …Maybe you should read the book.

[@shogunmasterjg]

Living modestly, humbling oneself to the creator of the universe and all the magnificence of his creation, respecting and protecting this creation, and rejecting idolatry and the reverence for materiality? The rejection of overconsumption, extroversion? The rejection of violence of any kind except in justified war? The belief in mercy, forgiveness, and universalism. Why do atheists have a problem with Islam?

[@michaelevans4110]

Because, as the Qur''an says, "they don't know..". Obviously there exist the wilfully ignorant and hypocrites but I think mostly it's ignorance and certain level of arrogance. Allahu Alum Jazak Allahu khayran

[@rasimidrizi8483]

Are you guys converts or born Muslims..?! I mean both of you @shogunmasterjg, and @michaelevans4110..!

[@michaelevans4110]

@@rasimidrizi8483 Revert Alhamdulillah Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala guides whom He wills. Barakatuhu feekum

[@shogunmasterjg]

@@rasimidrizi8483 I am a revert, I’ve always been a monotheist, never believed in the trinity, nor did my family. I took shahada at 11 years old. I am now 48 and over the last decade have found an increasing passion and purpose for our faith. I plan to keep growing in my faith and my understanding of the beautiful logical, spiritual, and ethical power of Islam. Inshallah!

[@yuh6812]

Silence is loud. Suddenly you have nothing to say after they answered you lol​@@rasimidrizi8483

[@Dizoliot]

He talks about atheists about them being good etc. From the islamic paradigm if you do not act 'good' for the sake of God, then you are perhaps doing it for your own ego for your own self validation etc. So there in lies the problem, the atheist can argue all day long that how can God put me in hell, I give to charity, I'm kind to people etc etc but if it's not done for the sake of God why are you really doing it? Are you doing it so people can call you a good person? For your own ego?

[@ryan6140]

That's a very good point jazakallahu ghair

[@danielrufinosegovia4113]

So if I give charity because of my own ego, Im a bad person. But if I give charity in order to escape eternal suffering then Im a good person?

[@ryan6140]

@@danielrufinosegovia4113 yes because you're doing it for the sake of God. You're doing it because God told you that if you don't you might go to Hell so if you do it even for that reason it will be for the sake of God. And that is greater than any other reason

[@danielrufinosegovia4113]

@@ryan6140 so my desire of going to heaven is God motivated and that makes it non-shellfish?

[@ryan6140]

@@danielrufinosegovia4113 yes

[@nemuitaka]

The opening: “first of all, this isn’t apply to you…!” 😂

[@nickdean3152]

Like a double glazing salesman 🤣said it so often he believes it

[@toxicego972]

Thoroughly enjoyed, thanks Hamza my brother.

[@rasseriegmail7270]

i watched this and the impression this man gives me is that he does not like the idea of a master and slave and he does not like the idea of answering to a higher authority.

[@priomquraishi1164]

And yet he is following the laws of his country, working to serve others so that he can earn money to feed his family, he is just ignorant about his own hypocrisy

[@__Victor00]

@@priomquraishi1164Well said brother, this men is full of ignorant and want the ‘easy way out’ in this life

[@AbirDawah]

Emotional damage 😁😁

[@kaykalid2942]

Respect to Hamza, he gave this guy so much time to speak

[@guiltycrown6024]

This man knows that their will be accountability in the hereafter..and the warnings in the quran resonated with him which is why he came to question it..he is just afraid that accepting islam would change his life or that he would have to face great adversity after accepting it ..Allah knows best..

[@teamevolvesold]

I love conversations like these. May Allah guide Jonathan and his family to Islam

[@adjiedguman67]

Israeli President herzog said he makes no distinction between civilians and hamas fighters.

[@ellem2293]

Nor does Hammas with Israeli's so you are just bias

[@misty_fn317]

@@ellem2293I understand your statement though I think that killing almost 30000 civilians including innocent mother and children to get to a small organization is wild

[@infinitewisdom4557]

Hang on but isn't one party here supposed to be civilised ... 😄, are they fcuk. With a blood thirsty book like the OT no wonder there's no distinction making 😄... civilised but in a 'blood thirsty kind of way' 😄

[@galgalimeyes91]

​@@ellem2293 what nonsense you brainwashed people

[@arsespankin2171]

@@ellem2293 Most of the targets are Israeli's reserve troops so you are just bias. Israel destroying hospitals, kids and letting babies starving to die in ICU is evil. But you never actually care. You are the bias ones. Israel have been killing Palestinians for more than 50 years. So for the 3rd time, yeah you are bias.

[@luisagapurayeva1768]

These people accept only what they want to accept (as they did from their books, and changed it in the end). But Quran is nothing like that and they will not change for their “I don’t like it”. Like it or not it’s your choice and later you will be revealed for what you used to hide👍

[@thecircusb0y1]

A 7 year old can understand the Quran, but a 48 year old cannot.

[@h.k.palash8199]

I disagree with you. This man need teacher to make it [Quran ]understand. He grow up in different situations. Allah gives him truth

[@mavierra]

Because of too much toxic in their undetermined mind,

[@ukimenustah26]

Islam is the truth

[@homtanks7259]

Who says otherwise?

[@Do-the-right-thing]

The truth if what ?

[@Do-the-right-thing]

I'm guessing you never heard about mohamed marrying a 6 year old which is 1st grade at school then he slept with her at 9 which is 4th grade....shocking .

[@user-cd9gk7lj9p]

@@homtanks7259 the truth of what? I'r rather ave a mind opened by wonder , than closed by belief

[@Lynwood_Jackson]

​@@user-cd9gk7lj9pyou do realize that the allegory of the cave wasn't really about shadows on the wall, right? 😂

[@TheRevertMuslim]

Assalamu Alaikum my brother Hamza!!! Alhamdulillah!!!! As always great to see yet another knowledgeable video akhi!!! Jazaka’Allahu khairan for the wisdom my brother

[@yesitsyusuf]

Subhanallah he ended it perfectly.. That guy was just blind and has no criteria to tell what is the truth and what is not. If a person is actually sincere there is no other option but Islam and Allah's guidance. Alhamdllah I I've made my choice. May Allah grant us Noor upon Noor and may those blind see before death comes to them.

[@theallloooww6398]

Ameen

[@Lynwood_Jackson]

Ameen.

[@MuslimMike]

May Allāh SWT keep us steadfast Ameen 🤲

[@abdul-majidndegwa6607]

Quran is not a History book, its not a science book, Geography, Maths or Biography book of any one, BUT ITS the WORD OF ALLAH..

[@RR-gv2dj]

Brother Hamza was so patient with this questioner. ما شاء الله تبارك الله

[@syaifulnoor2669]

wish bro Hamzah and all his den's inhabitant Ramadhan Mubarak... a sad time as our bro & sis and our children in Gaza suffers a lots & starving to death... May Allah relieve all pains and angers from us all, May Allah shower his mercy upon them & us all

[@1D.JFanMma]

Amazing conversation

[@Md.Kamarussalihin]

This guys didn't come to have a dialogue.. he just comes to preach.. he should've clarify that in the beginning. He keeps jumping around and saying "stop stop" "wait wait" when hamza was just starting to response to him, didn't even gave a chance to elaborate. The ending though is superb..

[@MishimaZaibatsuCorp]

Masha Allah, that last response was so eloquent Hamza

[@aGunGsoftWhite]

excelent answer, we must know we all die someday, and we beleave afterlife.

[@bilalgassafe]

Hamza is class !

[@DJsaima]

fantastic ending i was wondering what brother Hamza was going to say and it was breathtaking. SubhanAllah

[@T3rr0rist]

and when it is said to them make no mischief on earth they say we are peacemakers only

[@FOOTSHOTS1]

We can see the wisdoms of how disbelievers are mentioned.. this man instead of analyzing and studying if the Quran is true on a neutral basis, n if he is willing to get excited by the Rewards as potential “goal” , instead he focuses on how Allah treats the disbelievers. That shows that he is reading without being sincere , and without having in mind that this could be a potential truth. Allah sent a prophet to every nation, n Allah wont punish anyone unless the message reaches them. And if the message did not reach, they will have a separate trial on the day of judgment. So no one will be left! Allah will be just for each one of us. And the only behavior that can lead to hell is Arrogance. Anyone who is sincere.. will find Islam as a no brainer.

[@RSX.91G]

Qu'ran is not a piece of software it does not require and update. Its a real time operating system that never fails.

[@Dawahdude0]

MashaAllah nice ending The Message of Truth Delievered

[@ALzzanam]

جزاكم الله خيرا

[@azmiragel8803]

This atheist guy seemed to talk a lot but means nothing actually.

[@BU2FL]

الحمد لله رب العالمين ، مبارك عليكم شهر رمضان ❤

[@Fol0709]

Jazakallah khyran brother Hamza. You're very knowledgeable by Allah. MashaAllah!

[@vandr1x-ox4ut]

The guy said he lost an argument with his 9-year-old son after he hit him once. 😂

[@ElliottGraham-by3dz]

Wa alaikum Salam

[@HW.UROBOROS]

Ramadan Mubarak to all Muslims.

[@MASRUR11]

Last word or line epic brother Hamza Allahu Akbar

[@ahmednasrulla4766]

Not organization in Quran? Brooo what

[@freeman7983]

Baraka ALLAHU fikoum

[@Ukaley1]

Darren has changed. 👏 wow Calm and straight to point. I like it

[@user-zo1uj2lo8k]

The truth is harder to understand then a lie

[@ahsan7537]

Truth is not harder to understand it is harder to accept for blind hearts

[@Bickerstaff518]

Is there a email for questions to hamza or a physical address PO address I have many questions

[@4Laer]

Alhamdulillah for Islam for it is the TRUTH!

[@dennisonthachil]

Bro's wife is going to divorce him just because he prays 5 times a day lmaoooo

[@qayimrahimi4530]

alot of people just have a problem with their egos when they see that they have to submit to one creator that knows more than they do and they can't accept they dont know everything, their ego and shaytan takes over, thats why eblise was an outcast cause he couldn't swallow his ego.

[@THEMASKEDMASTER]

✌🏻😎🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿See. I’m not the only one that feels insulted when people think I am Christian 😂.

[@johnedward1852]

they always criticize religion but when they get criticized all emotional statement unleash from them and never come from their mouth are intellectual statement that is reasonable enough to ponder into.....

[@logicalmuslim1590]

That is because atheism is really a rationalization of their emotional reaction to their perception of religion.

[@safianhamid886]

Pretty sure this is an old video, I remember seeing this conversation a few years ago, excellent conversation though Bro Hamza seems more patient here, recent Arena streams seems like he’s losing his patience with non Muslims but don’t blame him, maybe I would too if I gave Dawah to these guys time after time! Great learning though and thank you Hamza for your efforts, may Allah reward you Ameen.

[@worldwideforte]

he wants to live free but at the same time he knows the punishment is real 😂 choose wisely buddy

[@soulstice99]

Hamza schooled this meandering atheist

[@4Laer]

لا اله الا الله وحده لا شريك له

[@IjatGonard]

well said

[@K0ldsoul]

I see someone struggling with their beliefs. May Allah guide him.

[@Only1truth786]

Strong brain worms and extra thick veil on this one 😅🤯❤️💯☝🏽🥇

[@s3s_]

@14:08 "WHAT IS LOOooOooOve LOOOVE"

[@user-it2is2cv1t]

baby dant hiri maiiii

[@ron-davin]

I love the thumbnail haha

[@skgalaxy2]

The last sentence omg 😆 facts

[@CookieMonster-ky1rb]

Hamza and Ben, I don't think these types of videos (aka with the live stream chat thing) will bring about more views. Can ya'll try posting a video without it being live streamed with the chat? I feel like the videos potential and algorithm gets destroyed because of it, as these types of videos use to get so many views in the past :(

[@nigelbrown2933]

Good discussion

[@z1adfps297]

anything الله SWT commanded us to do is good for us, but we do it because الله commanded it before it's good for us, and anything الله forbade it, is bad for us, but we avoid it because الله forbade it, before it's bad for us, it's really simple because we are 1000% sure that this book is from الله SWT.

[@rhshahadat3]

I am agree with no doubt

[@michaelevans4110]

Ameen. Jazak Allahu Khayran BarakAllahu Feekum Alhamdulillahi rabbi al'alameen

[@-NWJNS-]

it's all me, me, me and he doesn't want to submit. it's his ego what keeps him blind and seal his heart.

[@AdilKhan-ix1gt]

From what I saw in this video...I think we as muslims need to do much better at being messengers of our deen. We need to learn more about it and in a way that we can explain it in simple terms to anyone Insha Allah. This brother Hamza, presents some valid and good points. I feel confident that the other person can accept Islam by the will of Allah, if he is sat down and had a private conversation with. It would require time and much discussion of course and that is where we are lacking sadly. We should be able to have these conversations as neighbors, coworkers, friends, etc so that it doesn't feel like a competition of winning or losing. Rather it must be more personal. And I appreciate the innumerable people who do it daily with their actions and words.

[@user-no8er1fh4w]

Everything starts from faith, the idea that a person believes in, from there he acts, that shows us the importance of religion in life, the approach that anyone follows, so every person, no matter how he is follow a certain method, acts through it, whether he knows it or not!! Any human being will not accept the truth unless he acknowledges that he is a servant of God, meaning that he is created and belongs to the Creator, he must submit to Him, and worship Him Alone!!

[@user-cd9gk7lj9p]

God? When we do not really know about something we call it Gods will. I'm just happy that i get to experience life as a human.

[@khanofcaledonia6413]

Dillusional. When things are good humans behave nicely the moment the things become tough only the tough get going. So the belief in the hereafter gives a solid foundation to morality and makes a person morally tough.

[@h2rgaming938]

Brother Hamza is a very patient man.

[@hajirpirouzfar9481]

Lol "who cares what you expect of the quran" brilliant😂

[@mennavanessa]

Wow the end was EPIC

[@shihabantor4342]

Can anyone give me full video link of this?

[@yaramustafa8811]

Alhamdulillah

[@Seeker-ec1dd]

The visitor was not an atheist to begin with, he was quite rational and shared his genuine concerns, it looked like Hamza got defensive.

[@yukiyurosaki]

from very ego man? concern with religion not even his as he doesn't believe it? he's not even there cause curious about the religion, only hellbent to preach his 'understanding' onto other people. normal person only ask and contemplate when Hamza give his reason. this guy IS EGOISTIC cause he kept blabbing about ME ME ME "i'm a good person". no 'concern person' be busy clarify his character when it should be ASKING Hamza understanding. cap guy is not open-minded even a kid be saying "sir you want to hear my answer or you want to keep blabbing about yourself?"

[@Seeker-ec1dd]

@@yukiyurosaki The man was presenting his view. You should question what religious scriptures say and not accept it blindly. Why do you assume that he was wrong and Hamsa is right.

[@dileshwickramaratne254]

How is the comment section so biased ? The agnostic was very open minded and rejected the Islamic ideology with valid reasoning that hamza had absolutely no rebuttal to. And somehow the agnostic is the ignorant one here ???

[@yukiyurosaki]

simple red cap is under educated and ignorant. Muslim aren't fools to ones already fooled themselves.

[@markdoughty8780]

Brother Hamza's critical logic wins through again, and, gives the atheist plenty to think about...

[@pipitarfany3098]

*he claim to have read quran, but actually he only read a few verses without even trying to understand the teaching of islam and base on his knowledge of christianity he thought that islam and christianity is the same*

[@mclovinx6264]

70% ! .Wow Alhamdullah for Islam.

[@teemadarif8243]

He's Arrogant. So so arrogant . He starts off his questions "does this Creator...."...so cringe. May Allah work with his heart Ameen!

[@teemadarif8243]

Allah never tells him that he's a stupid bad person. He's lying on his own intellect .

[@5Incognito]

You're absolutely right brother Hamza, he can be a nice Muslim, I hope you reach him later to help him overcome those points he is confused about. May God reward you more and keep your strength to do more Dawah. May you increase your blessings in this Ramadan and become closer to God.

[@Eddy6009]

Lovely end believe in the messengers and u'll know Ur purpose in life

[@RosinDaddy5280]

10:45 whats your motivation 😂😂😂😂😂😂 DARREN you stumpped this man into pure Ah with such simple worda 😂😂😂😂 Thanks for the Sensible Chuckle Allahu akbar

[@user-bj4xu9rg2x]

Actually that was good conversation

[@abdullahtahir9622]

ASSALAM o ALAIKUM

[@jimbo6013]

True love requires no reward.

[@besart8325]

Well put. However, this sounds like a Hollywood script. Unfortunately, Hollywood has sold to many people a reality that only exists in movies.

[@jimbo6013]

@@besart8325 but it's true. Unconditional love (like a parent has for a child) requires no reward. My kid could treat me like literal crap and I would still love the s**t out of them.

[@roryinnes4442]

​@@jimbo6013 no such thing as unconditional love there is always a condition I doubt you would love your child if they murdered your wife or there sibling etc. There is always something that will shift that love and that something for god is his creation defiantly rejecting him when he has given clear warning which is the biggest blessing to grace humankind.

[@mohamedelkayal8871]

​@@roryinnes4442it's only unconditional if it fits within the boundaries that one sets in their own mind or reality. Sooner or later something can happen that crosses those boundaries (like the example you mentioned) and one will come to the Realisation that the conditions always existed, they just didn't assume it would ever happen that something would change their preconceived notion. Thus, the "unconditional" love was nothing more than illusion as long as nothing happens that distorts or shatters it.

[@mazayashah213]

It’s weird how he doesn’t see how violent acts “inspired by” religion are really reactions to wars and such. I just figured he seems to read a lot of things and has empathy towards people like that

[@Schnik728]

One of the most civilised debates in the history of speakers corner.

[@theinternetkid]

it is the same argument over and over again, I can't stand to waste my breath on people who consider they are certain with their false beliefs, the truth is evident for those willing to believe.

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

To which "false beliefs" are you referring to.

[@Langwigcfijul]

@@Theo_Skeptomai Exactly, The original commenter could use their own reasoning with those "false beliefs" if only they are willing to believe.

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

@@Langwigcfijul Who exactly is not willing to believe?

[@Langwigcfijul]

@@Theo_Skeptomai The original commenter. Saying others are certain in their "false beliefs" and the truth is evidence if those same people are willing to believe, when clearly, the original commenter isn't willing to believe others' "false beliefs".

[@othmanahmad7331]

How are they( non believers and atheist,polytheist )going to face Allah in the day of judgement

[@Lynwood_Jackson]

Blind and deaf.

[@bl4cktooth]

💯💯💯💯💯

[@user-cx5rz1to8l]

GOD bless you, brother hamza ❤ I really want you to tv show 🙏 if they invite you