Another Round Of Disengagement At LAC: Why Now & What Next?

NEW DELHI: India and China announced last week that their troops will disengage from Patrolling Point-15 ((PP-15) in the Gogra-Hot Springs area along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in Eastern Ladakh. This comes after a year-long impasse in talks between the two sides and a week before the SCO summit in Uzbekistan, which will be attended by Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Chinese President Xi Jinping. Is the move aimed at preparing the ground for a possible meeting of Modi and Xi on the sidelines of the SCO summit? In this episode of ‘The Gist’, StratNews Global Editor-in-Chief Nitin A. Gokhale speaks to China watcher Jayadeva Ranade and former commander of 14 Corps Lt Gen. Rakesh Sharma (Retd) to get a sense of the Chinese game plan and what lies ahead.
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[@dkagarwal59]

Must watch discussion by most learned Jayadev Ranade ji , Lt Gen Sharma and Nitin Gokhle .. Hope MEA and Modi ji also listens to it !

[@hmanjunathaprabhu907]

Today’s (14th Sep 2022) newspapers have hinted that we have agreed for the buffer area in the Chinese occupied area which was ours pre-galwan. If so I am terribly disappointed with the Modi govt. If , as Gen. Sharma says, we still have to maintain our troops there, then what was the need for this agreement? What have we gained? China has succeeded in salami slicing India. It will start the same game in 6 months. Very disappointing ☹️

[@samirthapa6145]

Initiative : China moved back because it wants to show that it holds the initiative. It wants to display that it can attack when it wants and can disengage when it wants. India needs to castrate this dragon. It is not the question of if we will do it, the question is when will we do it. Jai Hind !

[@badlav120]

Very interesting point initiative

[@vivekrajput7]

Very interesting comments on the thread .. tells a lot about the commendable work Mr. Nitin and the team is doing. Kudos 👏

[@harshalgore]

Dhanyavad Nitin sir. Excellent discussion and analysis. Very informative. Jai Hind 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳

[@surendrabarsode8959]

1. Excellent discussions. Everything is now crystal clear. 2. As we now know very well from the book on Nehru and China by Mr. Singh, Nehru goofed up majorly in case of Indo China border. Our claims to our 1954 map are suspect and in addition, we did not physically hold the ground on the areas we claimed as ours. Chinese have done it since 1950s and possession is 99% of ownership in international law. 3. After 1962, the between the areas controlled by India and China had overlapping patrolling rights by each other. That was called our and their perception of LAC! 4. Now that Chinese have much well developed infrastructure, that part is now over and we now have permanent physical control by the Chinese and a buffer zone where no one will cross each other. This effectively makes LAC as line. 5. Let us admit that even Modi and his team from Army completely failed to anticipate this Chinese move. However, apart from patrolling rights, no territory held by India is lost. This is a silver lining. And Modi responded robustly to the Chinese intrusion and now Chinese will not dare cross this buffer zone as we are ready and getting even better. 6. So we now look forward to continued deployment on LAC; gone are the days of hoping that some distant land belongs to us and the Chinese will respect our ownership!! Gone are also the days of 'status quo' on LAC where no bullet was fired for last 50 years and all that nonsense. Wake up to the real, tough world of hostile Chinese presence across the buffer zone . 7. So the taks that Modi will bequeath to the next generation is this- Having effectively stopped the Chinese, how will India regain its areas under the map of 1954? The immediate task that Modi should initiate is to take back GB and break Pak China physical connection. If he does this much, he would have done a great service to the country.

[@repealsection230forbigtech4]

You've captured the situation better than panelists. Your assessment is the closest to the facts. Well done.

[@gbhatia9809]

Foreign minister S Jaishankar speaking at QUAD Foreign Ministers’ Meeting in Australia on February 12, 2022, blamed China for the current LAC situation, saying Beijing had violated written agreements by amassing forces along the border and this is an issue of legitimate concern for the entire international community. The 1993 Agreement on the Maintenance of Peace and Tranquility along the LAC enjoins both parties to refrain from using or threatening force against the other, keep their military forces at the border to a minimum, and strictly respect the LAC pending a final solution to the boundary question. China’s violation of agreements have also been seen with Japan, in Hong Kong & in SCS. China doesn't recognize treaties during its "Century of Shame" eg its claim on 9-dash line. Russia must support India on Ladakh as both India & Russia have agreements during China's Century of Shame. Even Britain must support India as Chinese Communists have sabotaged Hong Kong Agreement despite Britain relinquishing Hong Kong which was permanently ceded to it during China's Century of Shame. The September 08, 1959 Premier Chou En-lai's [Zhou Enlai's] Letter to Prime Minister Nehru clearly mentions border agreement between Tibet & Ladakh ( History and Public Policy Program Digital Archive, Documents on the Sino-Indian Boundary Question, Wilson Center). Russia ensured acceptance of border agreed during Chinese Century of Shame but India lost because Nehru gave up Tibet otherwise the border was well defined. However, China which has little regard for agreements can still pose threat to Russia by fanning rebellion of Chinese living in large nos. in Russian Far- East & claiming that region at a later date.

[@kmreddy7689]

Mr. Nitin, I hope that you and the Govt of India would realise that the problems with China will be there forever. The only way to get out of the problems with Evil China is for India to match man for man, tank for tank, and missile for missile. In order to do this India must match the economic development of china. Otherwise, One can talk and argue till the cows come home, but the problems wll remain if not worsen.

[@ululukululu450]

only 3 out of 4 child born in india, go to school. This drops to almost 2 out of 4 child in secondary level, and not even 1 in 10 indian go on to get a university degree. That accounts to 1 billion indian with no tertiary education and 700 million indians without even secondary level education. China has a 100% primary school enrollment rate, more than 94% secondary school enrollment rate and nearly 50% Chinese go on to get a tertiary education (university degree or equivalent qualification)... That accounts to a pool of 1 billion highly educated workforce.

[@gustakh1050]

@@ululukululu450 for fighting a war we need people and resources not PHD holders sipping noddles.

[@up6427]

The speakers have enumerated in great length as to what could China do, when it could do, how it could do, etc etc etc. The GIST of the discussion was just about cautioning India & asking it to be on alert. The impression given out is, that this disengagement benefits China & China alone. Is it really so ? If that was indeed the case, then why would the Indian side agree to such a settlement ? It is quite disappointing to see, not a word being uttered as to what would or should be India's action from hereon. The most pertinent questions that should have been addressed are, whether India is satisfied with the disengagement or not ? How does the politico-military establishment of India perceive the disengagement saga ? Is it a plus for us or a minus ? It is quite unfortunate to see China being accorded an "indomitable" status & by implication debasing our politico-military establishment or painting a bleak picture of India. The attitude, approach & the mindset of the panelists was quite "reactionary" to say the least. The panelists being experts, have failed in giving a 360° view of the subject matter on hand

[@nitinjain1605]

The small white piece on the back of Mr.Ranade ji ( on the shelf ) does seems a statue of General Mao of china or some chinese CCP Leader .... I may be wrong in this but in one of the zoom scene when Mr. ranade was in focus the piece was very much visible ..... I donno why this piece is kept by him

[@repealsection230forbigtech4]

You're right, that is definitely a statue of MAO. Does this tell us something about Ranade and does this explain why the govt doesn't give him a serious audience?

[@rraghavendran9648]

Sirs, You never addressed the question, why India agreed to disengagement at PP 15. Everywhere we are losing strategic heights and can't what mischief are up to. Chinese first grab more and then give up a bit.

[@jimmybassan]

Sir why we continue to be reactive biggest defensive force on Earth?...... Rather thn doing Quit Pro Quo we kept running back in trap of China of talks n meetings n negotiation..... Nt only we r bad in predicting our enemies actions but we are worst in negotiating..... We got long history of messing up negotiations n doing self destructive deals n treaties..... Its sad they do hard work on ground n throw it all away in negotiations every single time

[@ramnik.khanna]

Very well articulated by Gen Rakesh Sharma and Mr. Ranade! 👍

[@sarathy2007totadri]

Thanks @Nitin Gokhale for a most timely topical needed open discussion. It was v nuanced and v interesting. Indeed. All such key discussions must be getting heard at the highest levels. Let us hope India remains alert to thwart any misadventures by Chinese.

[@cares7936]

Well explained

[@dnarayanaswamy9207]

At no time we should resume our relations with Pakistan...

[@repealsection230forbigtech4]

Absolutely. And there's no danger of that happening.

[@dnarayanaswamy9207]

Why we should not go and occupy those places that China had built during the time when they leave during the peak winter time and do not allow them to return

[@user-rb9mi4ow4c]

We lacks in offensive way of defence

[@repealsection230forbigtech4]

I believe the structures the Chinese built in the area to be vacated are to be destroyed.

[@doncorleone3901]

And?

[@johndoe-vc1we]

To what end? What have the CCP gained since 2020 by doing that? Nothing! in fact, they have lost India.

[@rakeshkoul92]

Another Excellent discussion by stratnews and thank to Mr Ranade and Gen Sharma for their insights. Jai Hind.

[@nordsterngsd]

No thaw, Nithin. After the SCO China 🇨🇳 will be back. It's a ruse as Ranade mentions. Our govt is govt is an expert at verbosity. Of course the opposition is a walking talking disaster. Btw Nithin in my 72 years of existence, you are very high in my esteem. I feel sorry for my country. Our sad opposition thinks defeating the BJP is more important than keeping China are bay. We can't let our guard down for a even a second. Best wishes 🙏

[@KJ-tq3sm]

Begging China is working. KEEP GOING INDIA!

[@riteshr9477]

Pls add guest names in keyword for better search.

[@ramalingams9368]

Thank you Nitin ! Though late the discussion was informative. We were expecting a response ever since the news of withdrawal came.👍

[@Parasuram5]

India is giving in too fast. Losing long term advantages for short time gain.

[@Rohit_Kumar_India]

The hell, one wont find such correct and on the spot anaysis of current situation anywhere on the internet and media. Thank you as a citizen for clearing fogs and maintaining such high standards of journalism without talking any bullshit.

[@ArvindMathurUSA]

Mr Gokhale seems to recommend reactive behavior again ?? Why ?

[@visheshverma6240]

Great show

[@vchitnis]

It was absolutely a treat to listen to two very cerebral practitioners of geopolitics, although in very different categories; Mr Jayadeva Ranade in the covert and Lt Gen Rakesh Sharma in the the overt segment. I get the heavy skepticism about China's intentions vis-a-vis the LAC and the presently very disadvantaged compromises India may have had to make in a situation that is likely to continue to evolve for a long time; particularly when compared to not just India's claim lines but also the ultimate goal of liberating Tibet. But geopolitics is always fluid. Granted that neither of the two practitioners are economists by profession; but has either of them pondered or received inputs over the increasing reportage about the Chinese economy stalling or the climate and the demographic challenges that are emerging in China and the longer term impacts they may have on the associated geopolitics? Also Mr. Ranade almost never strays from the focus on China. Yet, his quip on Russia seriously damaging its preeminence in the global pecking order appears very valid (whether Russia scores a decisive victory over Ukraine or is stuck in a forever insurgency). It would be insightful to get a critical analysis on how it affects India (not looking for lazy analysis of only the threats, but also the opportunities opening up by virtue of the Ukraine conflict). Finally, exercising viewer's privilege of offering unsolicited advise: I respect the scholarship Nitin has acquired in India's military affairs through his years of study and work as a journalist; it is not good journalism though to use that scholarship to prompt interviewees or intervene half way to finish their sentences. Not only do I lack the level of understanding Nitin has attained in military matters; but also I'm genuinely interested in the thoughts of the professional who is being interviewed. Hopefully, Nitin will increasingly use his scholarship to help peel information from a less articulate professional and enlighten us in the process. Else, the time may be best spent watching episodes of Dance Deewane!

[@VKumar-by2jt]

Impact of economic stall in Chinese actions is visible even now. I think 2025 will be crucial, ISR is a must & Enabling the IAF is another important step in India's prep towards the same. Hope M wrong!!

[@johndoe-vc1we]

I don't see any disadvantaged compromises. Gogra is sensitive for the Chinese as India can outflank them from there all the way up to Depsang. The idea as I see is to avoid conflict until such a point China gets too old to fight. Likely the next decade. If anything Russia though the conflict has shown it cannot be ignored and a win as seems likely will be a political loss for the west. India's role will be to remain close to Russia to at least prevent it from getting so close to China that Russia becomes a threat to India. As for opportunities we already are buying 20% of our oil from Russia at a discount so that will continue. A rupee-rouble mechanism is being worked on which will be of further benefit. Open question how BRICS develops with a number of others wanting to join. Does a reserve currency backed by commodities become a reality? It was envisaged over a decade ago but this time there is a sponsor with interested other parties wanting to see it happen.

[@vchitnis]

@@johndoe-vc1we The compromises look disadvantaged if one takes a maximalist Indian position. But I would rather welcome it as of now. As a geographical neighbour, India has to solve its China problem on its own. Better it solves it at a time and manner of its choosing. The Ukraine conflict has devolved into economic warfare. I'm waiting for post European winter reports to emerge. That should give a good assessment whether Europe will lose or or march into another crisis. Russia is unlikely to regain its past glory either ways. Likewise European decline is inevitable. Why does there need to be 'a' reserve currency? As long as it worked; the USD as a reserve currency was convenient to hold and economical for transactions. Today though, the risk of holding reserves exclusively in USD outweighs the inconvenience and the added costs of a basket of currencies. And here, currencies of consuming economies may have an advantage, not unlike today where the US is the world's largest consumer. I reckon there will be a lot happening in this area in the coming years.

[@FlyWithRahulS]

Mr. Nitin, as Gen. Sharma mentioned there is a belt on LAC... Does it mean we negotiated poorly? Have you taken up with GoI on why we agreed to this?

[@johndoe-vc1we]

This 'belt' should be thought of as both man's land. Clear ?

[@dnarayanaswamy9207]

I feel there should be a clash and we should occupy the places...

[@KJ-tq3sm]

Clash with a super power? You will get destroyed just like in Galwan.

[@rajubhai9506]

@@KJ-tq3sm yes super power cired like baby when US speaker visited Taiwan

[@KJ-tq3sm]

@@rajubhai9506 - more like Indian army when taken hostage in Galwan

[@sudeeplimaye4399]

Thank you startnews. Really a Frank and open assessment. I hope the decision makers are listening. I still hold to my one year old comment that India made a mistake by vacating kailash range occupied.

[@bharatsangam2200]

She jinping will boast in the SCO meeting as to how big Chinese balls have become and how easy it is to fool Indian diplomats and negotiators ....

[@johndoe-vc1we]

What is there to boast about China these days ?

[@chandrashekharbudhawant1475]

Modi is giving area to china - BJP is doing the same what has been by Nehru - but just Gujrati Baniya flavor

[@johndoe-vc1we]

And China is giving land to India with sweet & sour flavour. Chopsticks included.

[@Red.bulldozer3]

This disengagement of troops from india china from face off positions is not a big deal as the chinese are still occupying large areas (4000 sq km) in the 2020 intrusion.. This additional loss of indian territory is top of indian aksai chin area which was annexed by china in 1962 war. Where is the thaw in the border crisis?

[@dnarayanaswamy9207]

Kailash range should be occupied back...

[@KJ-tq3sm]

Then what? War? China will crush you.

[@bcreddyasst.professorofzoo891]

China is a devil country.we must be aware of devil

[@repealsection230forbigtech4]

Why? It can be re-occupied by India at any time, whereas PLA cannot seize them w/o India reaching them 1st and PLA cannot hold the peaks.

[@indermethil]

So why would modi attend and agree to a meeting with xi jingping if there is nothing to gain...and from what the 2 speakers have said...it seems like the Chinese have the upper hand and keep doing what they want on the border

[@KJ-tq3sm]

China is a super power. India is a super beggar

[@user-rb9mi4ow4c]

Modi wants to do photo session with xi ping in sco, it's real failures of Indians

[@repealsection230forbigtech4]

You've been given an incorrect impression, the CCP/PLA does not have the upper hand in the current situation; quite the opposite.

[@KJ-tq3sm]

@@repealsection230forbigtech4 - OK sure. That's why India has been begging 2years for return to 2020 Status quo? HAHA.

[@johndoe-vc1we]

@@KJ-tq3sm if China wants to have normal relations then yes a return is mandatory. Why did Wang Yi come over couple months back for ?

[@anabhtechnosoft6797]

Awesome insightful discussion 🙏💕🙏

[@gk-zl1xp]

Sir pls use a MIC

[@crishnav4498]

Excellent discussion

[@sujitsk]

Thank you for the episode, Nitin. The discussion did not factor-in the state of the Chinese economy, China-virus lockdowns, or military assistance China is giving Russia in its war effort with Ukraine. Also, the Chinese are masters of salami slicing not "fighting" -- my question, why don't we take them on; why don't we recognize Taiwan; what's holding us back?

[@repealsection230forbigtech4]

You listed very good points. My own opinion is that India's policies are long-term & mature, I think the Modi Adminstration does a cost benefit analysis & decides it is not worth it (to take them full force) AT THIS STAGE. (the reasons in my next replies):

[@repealsection230forbigtech4]

1) India is building up military capacity at a breakneck pace, no need to interrupt that. 2) CCP-CHINA is checked 3) Indian infrastructure buildup is continuing even faster than China 4) Indian bilateral alliances are still being fleshed out & operationalized

[@repealsection230forbigtech4]

7) India's missile & munitions manufacturing output is not at a level to sustain a medium to long-term conflict; this is rapidly being ramped up, but is not ready. 8) Time is on India's side, India's military strength position relative to CCP-China increasing faster by the month.

[@repealsection230forbigtech4]

9) As you yourself pointed out, CCP China is heading into shambles, let them get weaker. 10) Why give the CCP Standing Committee & their leader an excuse to distract the Chinese people with military crisis.

[@trolllovindaddy]

@@repealsection230forbigtech4 8) we buy billions worth of goods from China, I don't think "recognizing china" is a good strategy. In the words of Deng Xiaoping _"bide your time, grow strong quitely"_

[@medialcanthus9681]

Careful and ready is good, but no need to be over paranoid. What happened to the confidence when both had about the same gdp?

[@sanjivgupta1418]

This is at the cost of surrendering Indian territory to Chinese. If this was to happen why was all that standoff and why Indian soldiers martyred in Galwan ? Coming to table with loss of land is dishonouring memories of soldiers who lost their life.

[@johndoe-vc1we]

Surrender implies unilateral. Why do you think China also did not surrender from their side?

[@debasisroy7556]

We're continuing to fall into China's traps. They first got us to disengage from Pangong Tso, where we had the maximum leverage. Now we're getting squeezed farther west elsewhere along the LAC. This may leave DBO vulnerable. It appears to me that our opting out of IPEF is another sign of our recently-adopted appeasement policy toward China. No country has ever succeeded by placating the Chinese. I wonder why we are thinking that that may work for us.

[@user-rb9mi4ow4c]

Indians loose in negotiations and we don't believe in fighting the Chinese or to be in offensive mode

[@bkp95]

There is no relation of IPEF with China .India already did not join RCEP because there was China in the group a few years back. These kind of multilateral trade agreements are not particularly beneficial for india in the near past .

[@debasisroy7556]

@@bkp95 The withdrawal from IPEF could be due to pressure from China. The only leverages they seem to have are the pressure points in disputed border areas.

[@gspari4840]

I’m unable to understand that why this government talks of April 2020 status when we as a voter had supported them to take back the whole area under their unauthorised occupation since 1959 and they accepted it? If this doesn’t happen then certainly we are not going to forget this timid act of government and their false narrative

[@pratyushojha]

Dislodging a nuclear armed nation from an area it controls is quite risky. Hopefully the government will be aware of what is required to retake this territory.

[@gspari4840]

@@pratyushojha where is their intent , where is their narrative in this regard before the international community? When both are nuclear powers, where is problem? Unless we stop all types of businesses etc, the will not care you by mere timid statements of Jaishankar. You have to do something like Mahabharata, as enemy’s mind set is to never solve the problem. We as a public can’t be befooled by different governments by just issuing timid narratives. Who said during the talks in a foreign country that parliamentary resolution was just for public consumption?

[@ashishumrao5768]

Chal be abdul apne pappu rahul ko bol

[@johndoe-vc1we]

@@gspari4840 To keep troops at the border at a 60+k strength doing nothing but freezing costs $5bn per year. if you want them to do something more active then the cost is $5bn per month. If you want still more action bill becomes $5bn per week. Do you see where I am going with this?

[@niranjanshenolikar1324]

Very good discussion. Disadvantage India at the moment.. friction with China may go on for a long time to come..

[@JaiAdiShankaracharya]

Very informative session 👏 👌 👍

[@msr5296]

Still modiji is escaping from calling china aggressor 😏

[@venkyorg]

The "Writing on the Wall"; couldn't have been explained better! Especially about China's obsessive fixation with its thought of subjugating India at any cost!

[@moko8870]

I hope Modi does not behave like Nehru. Defense ministry and Modi don’t talk about it. This is worrying

[@johndoe-vc1we]

The article that Ranade mentioned used the term 'in pursuing peaceful unfication'. Why was that phrase left out because its obvious they are referring to Taiwan there not India.

[@MaTara01]

Because bad news sells better than good news?

[@sarathy2007totadri]

Wonder if all bcasts could be numbered dated for easy locating.

[@JayantKashyap]

Excellent discussion explaining the impact of the developments in the most sensitive part of India. The Chinese are a insidious lot, and the only surity we have is that they will look up slit out throat when we turn our back to them. We should constantly maintain caution and push them back when its to our advantage.

[@balapusht5685]

Cancel d SCO SUMMIT damnit

[@ajayraina8478]

As usual an interesting perspective!!

[@rakeshkoul92]

Why does no India build Villages and Habitat like China does , what is so big deal about it. Building these Hutments provides support for equipment and Jawans . India must must must build villages , thousands of them along China border. It is cheap and it is more psychological. India has to overcome this mental block. Jai Hind.

[@johndoe-vc1we]

There was a report some time back where exactly that is happening in Arunachal

[@PankajSharma-cq9nl]

I don't think they came to just create buffer zone if so they could have done when disengagement occurs in galwan there intention to occupy area as they were doing in past, this time they faced resistance from our side so failed to occupy land

[@kirank4713]

This is Ploy to slightly withdraw and go to Taiwan ..

[@sandeepbajaj3097]

Why you invited a person with vested interests this time

[@repealsection230forbigtech4]

which one?

[@drshibank]

What is the internal situation in China for Xi and the kind of economic, political and party downturn on a large scale? Xi himself is on a very weak wicket because of the conomical colapse.

[@soumyodeepdeb1379]

Hello it was a very nice discussion. However can i get the source where it is stated that 30 memebers from Western Theather Command from CMC's fair share is going to the 20th party congress. It will be very helpful for my research thanks in advance.

[@Drganguli]

China respects strength and abhors weakness

[@johndoe-vc1we]

Maybe they should stop threatening Taiwan then

[@Drganguli]

@@johndoe-vc1we That is why they are not attacking Taiwan

[@johndoe-vc1we]

@@Drganguli they will never be able to do it . So people say they will come for India but that is not easy either. So all they can do is these little ops.

[@indianwolf007]

as per local councellor of chusul, they have ceded our land as buffer for this pull back ? why do you think china will pullback now ? they held it for 2 years

[@johndoe-vc1we]

Local counsellor is looking at upcoming elections

[@dnarayanaswamy9207]

Modi should not be taking of VISHWA guru... In sco meet

[@repealsection230forbigtech4]

As a person who does not trust Russia's intentions towards India, even I find the panelists are completely out of touch as to what is going on in Ukraine: The Kherson offensive was a rout for Ukraine: over 2000 ukrainian soldiers died. As for for Kharkov, the Russians had started evacuating pro Russia villages 2 weeks ago, so, clearly the Ukraine offensive at kharhov was not a surprise for them. Do get informed, it's embarrassing that mere lay people know more than you, STRATnews, about that conflict.

[@johndoe-vc1we]

Yep, i'm surprised that even Nitin thinks Russia is getting a beating there. Ukraine lost the war the moment the first Russian crossed the border. Ukraine had a chance of staying intact before that. Not any longer. Even the general thinks Kherson was a feint it was not. Ukraine used and lost more people in Kherson than Izyium and it begs the question of why Ukraine managed to make an advance in the first place at Izyium. Because the Russians withdrew. 2k national guard is not going to fight 15k Uki soliders.

[@johndoe-vc1we]

Yep, i'm surprised that even Nitin thinks Russia is getting a beating there. Ukraine lost the war the moment the first Russian crossed the border. Ukraine had a chance of staying intact before that. Not any longer.

[@johndoe-vc1we]

Even the general thinks Kherson was a feint it was not. Ukraine used and lost more people in Kherson than in Izyium and it begs the question of why Ukraine managed to make an advance in the first place at Izyium. Because the Russians withdrew. 2k national guard is not going to fight 15k Ukr soldiers.

[@repealsection230forbigtech4]

@@johndoe-vc1we absolutely correct, and that begs the question why Stratnews global skewers their credibility by irresponsibly repeating western MSM propaganda (disseminated via western wire services on Indian media). They should be embarrassed that non military journalists/lay people like ourselves know more than them.

[@repealsection230forbigtech4]

@@johndoe-vc1we Nitin should think long a hard about applying logic to any news item he hears before he believes it: if Russia is failing, then pray tell explain how only 200,000 Russian troops have defeated 350,000 to 650,000 Ukrainian soldiers and successfully seized over 25% of Ukraine. This is unprecedented in modern warfare, usually the invader has to have a numerical advantage over over 3 to 1. However, Russia has numerical DISADVANTAGE of 3 to 1 and yet they are still succeeding.

[@kmreddy7689]

Mr. Nitin, would you ever be able to tell what could be in the mind of the Evil ? Could you ever trust the CCP. ?Is there not a limit or a point beyond which India could not be fooled ? Sorry to say, it would be shameful, if not disgraceful, for PM Modi to meet the CCP leader in Tashkent.

[@helpingempowerwomen]

Exactly. Why is Modi meeting the land grabber?

[@ArvindMathurUSA]

What is Government of Indias idea of our border in this area?

[@ArvindMathurUSA]

Will it be a clash of our making or Chinas ?

[@kasturimuthanna2617]

When we know so much about their strategy why are we going back and giving up territory

[@user-rb9mi4ow4c]

Why can't india occupy Chinese territory, like aksai chin..

[@badlav120]

Because we are Shantidoot

[@azharam2870]

dont ever trust

[@vinodjadhav6254]

Pls bring - Dr Bharat karnad... His arguments are much more professional and progressive...and exact solution..no this type of round talk...towing the line of government and army generals. Zooth bolte he...sab . Just to see how they are dealt nicely to Chinese that's whole agenda..

[@rickstorm8948]

Not a single neighbor of India likes it... Speaks volumes.... India will never get access to the West by land without Pakistans permission.... You people need to make peace and then talk about access via Pakistan.

[@alokpal3415]

Shut up.

[@johndoe-vc1we]

We are talking to Iran for that very reason.

[@Unknown-sh8kw]

Chinese economy is slowing down considerably with housing bubble so may be trying to clam down border to handle domestic affairs,,,, It’s not in our interest to set down with China. The longer clash goes the more sympathy we get from western partners

[@brj4773]

Modi came with the support of Chinese and is working as Chinese national. RSS had visited China to meet and discuss with the Chinese communist party for five years. All Chinese companies who came to India opened their office in Gujarat. All Adani companies are Chinese built. No wonder we have compromised on LAC and India has to bear the enormous burden of keeping a huge army in the Chinese LAC. Its a huge burden on the Indian exchequer and Modi has made 80 cr citizens so poor that they don't have the capacity to buy ration wheat and Rice at Rs 2 per kg. Imagine 80 cr people can't pay Rs 10/- per month on ration. India is now standing on the no man's island. Neither the West is its friend nor the BRICS. God save India with a 4 year on contract army jawans, will they be ready to lay down their lives or will become Gujrati , just buy and sell pakodas.

[@alokpal3415]

Dont talk like an unwise man.

[@johndoe-vc1we]

This is an interesting theory. It's a change from what we usually hear of secret agreement CCP has with opposition party.

[@repealsection230forbigtech4]

Ranade's understanding of the conflict in Ukraine is sadly ill informed & incompetent. Russia has seized approx 1/3rd of Ukraine (the most valuable parts/black Sea coast) using a force 1/3rd the size of the Ukrainian army.

[@gbhatia9809]

Ukraine’s President Zelenskyy has said his forces have recaptured 6,000 sq km of territory from Russia in a counteroffensive. That is a lie. The United Kingdom’s defense ministry said Russia had probably ordered the withdrawal of its troops from the entire occupied Kharkiv region west of the Oskil river. Some experts have opined that Russians have made good decisions in terms of shortening their lines and making them more defensible, and sacrificing territory in order to do so. Russia is already in possession of 20pc of Ukrainian territory, its most industrialized & mineral rich east which is estimated to contain $12Tn worth of treasure. Russian occupation of most of South limits Ukraine's sea access to a very limited & susceptible part making it vulnerable to Russian dictates.

[@ab16426]

Why did India cede territory?

[@KJ-tq3sm]

Cause China would crush you.

[@aman-rq3sq]

They never said we ceded territory.

[@KJ-tq3sm]

@@aman-rq3sq - LOL. Indians will never admit to defeat. Have you seen the photos and videos of your men on their knees?