Answering Qu'ranists part 2

This is part 2 of understanding this bizarre idea of rejecting all hadith, I will be joined once more in the Den by.........
Sheikh Uthman Ibn Farooq - One Message foundation
/ @onemessagefoundation
Farid - Farid Responds
/ @faridresponds
Dr. Imran - Efdawah
/ @efdawah
Jake - The Muslim Metaphysician
/ @themuslimmetaphysician

[@Incandescence555]

"Have you seen the one who takes as his god his own desire?" (Q 25;43)

[@kutsc3792]

They're oblivious to it. They think desire means worldly things

[@jalaluddeenibnabumurrahthe5215]

Isn't this also fit for atheism lol

[@Incandescence555]

@@jalaluddeenibnabumurrahthe5215 Hmm it fits for us all! Can anyone of us claim to give total worship to Allah and 0% to our desires?

[@jalaluddeenibnabumurrahthe5215]

@@Incandescence555 no,i mean...We're not totally oblivious to the fact that there's God Taking it to 0% must be an extreme things to do and....Notice the "also" word in my sentence Salam,brother

[@Incandescence555]

@@jalaluddeenibnabumurrahthe5215 Wa alaykum as salam.

[@Tislyfe]

This was an amazing and very educational stream. The guests, I do not even know where to begin 😬 they are beyond lost. Reminds me of the verse in Surah Al-Imran that only those who have deviance in their hearts will use the ambiguous verses to cause fitna and deviation. Astaghfirullah The Quran is my Lords commands and the Prophets sunnah is the way of life I live as commanded by Allah in the Quran. Alhamdolilah for guidance.

[@reesecane7878]

Jazak Allahu Khayran Alhamdulillahi rabbi al'alameen

[@Tislyfe]

@Nas - it’s in surah Al Imran . We ask Allah to not let our hearts deviate after it He has guided us. And also says that those who have deviance in their hearts will look at ambiguous verses to try and cause fitna or try to interpret as they desire. Alhamdolilah just as Allah made the religion clear for us, He also gave us attributes of the hypocrites and the disbelievers 😁

[@Tislyfe]

@Nas - 😂 I’m actually very happy in my life! When was the last time u cried from happiness? Was really happy with ur life and everything in it? That shows true happiness.

[@Tislyfe]

@Nas - 🧐or are u calling me takfiri bcuz maybe u find urself in those categories.......I’m not doing it. It’s how the Quran describe them😂

[@One-Truth-Only]

[45:6] These are GOD's revelations that we recite to you truthfully. In which Hadith other than GOD and His revelations do they believe?

[@shahid8545]

Islam would have turned into Christianity by now if it weren't for the hadith and the example of the prophet. Just look at the confusion, everyone just gets to turn Islam into whatever they want. Alhamdulilah for sayings, rulings and guidance of Hadith sent by the greatest man to ever walk earth.

[@actualscapegoat]

Islam is pagan now due to hadiths

[@nas32007]

@@actualscapegoat Pharaoh was a Muslim and believed in LAH!! The descendants of Pharaoh are ARABS

[@shahid8545]

@@actualscapegoat You lot will never stop until you are confronted with the painful truth as the soul reaches the throat on the way of its vessel.

[@actualscapegoat]

@@nas32007 what does that have to do with anything?

[@actualscapegoat]

@@shahid8545 it’s true.. Hadith added many pagan traditions to Islam. Parts of the Kaaba ritual is pagan. Like that rock people kiss, it’s not in the Quran.

[@f1aziz]

Lost Blue said a few things that made me shudder and say Laholewalaquat. Despite the weakness in my actions as a Muslim, Allah has still blessed me with correct Aqeedah Alhamdulillah in the confusing times.

[@bookofhuda9914]

Salaam. You believe you have the correct aqeeda? Meaning you are guaranteed a place in Jannah eh?

[@f1aziz]

@bookofhuda9914 Only Allah's mercy and blessing guarantees Jannah.

[@EpikMunk]

​@@bookofhuda9914How does having the correct Aqeedah mean he is guaranteed Jannah?

[@shahid8545]

One thing to take away from this stream is that so many people need to learn and to sit with those people of knowledge. There was a time where the companions and those whom came after would be afraid to misrepresent the prophet(saw) or Islam out of fear of Allah(swt) and now we have unlearned people who can't seem to keep their mouths closed. Crazy times we are in.

[@obaidrehman5235]

Liked it before even watched it

[@Umar-yi2ot]

This attitude ain’t good.

[@mcbxbiiix1767]

That’s called blind following

[@israfilangel8062]

@@mcbxbiiix1767 not blind following but he likes the type of the stream because he might've watched part 1 before.. so he kind of excited for part 2.. so not necessarily what you think..

[@obaidrehman5235]

@@mcbxbiiix1767 been following them for long time.. I know each and every person in a panel and know there knowledge. So I already knew what was coming.. so instead of spitting out what u believe like these hadith rejectors , know what other person stance is

[@mcbxbiiix1767]

@@obaidrehman5235 if you knew what was coming then why did you even watch it? Sorry, there is no excuse for this... you liked something before you knew anything about it. Period

[@GhulamMustafa11111]

Brother Jake is a blessing to the Ummah. May Allah preserve him.

[@Life-bt9yo]

SubhanAllah! The point where you read a different set of verses by "mistake" brother Hamza was not a coincidence. It's so amazing how the ones you read completely annihilated the guys point he made earlier about torah, injeel and believers ! It's like they haven't really read the Scripture which makes me question if they have been honest in their claims about being who they are.

[@bbccnn8836]

Who read injeel?..... Please send the link I want to read it🤓🤣😉😜🤪

[@bbccnn8836]

@J M name doesn't matter... What really matters is who is God.... Who is Allah?

[@manhaj-as-salafiyyah898]

4 hours and 30 minutes? Let’s go alhamdulillah

[@akmaljonqosimzoda8909]

Lost Blue says that his "fitra" explains to him what Quran means so he doesn't need the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Now it's hard for me to choose which one is the worst: Christians with their "holy spirit" or these "Quran only" people with their "fitra".

[@toussainttunnicka-bey6224]

Doesn't matter it's the same nonsense, liars will use an unverifiable subjective mechanism to find an out when they are stuck. It's like a plot device in marvel comics.

[@badrbadr3184]

Fitra is a term that came from the hadith. He is flipflopping every minute.

[@mcbxbiiix1767]

@@badrbadr3184 no, fitra has it’s roots in the Quran: 30:30 So direct your face toward the religion, inclining to truth. [Adhere to] the fitrah (فَطَرَ) of Allah upon which He has created [all] people. No change should there be in the creation of Allah. That is the correct religion, but most of the people do not know.

[@israfilangel8062]

@@mcbxbiiix1767 what he is trying to say is that the meaning of fitra comes from the hadith because the word itself is not explained in the Qur'an that's why you will find many different translations on that word alone some translated it as " original way of Allah" and some as "natural desposition" and some translated it as "Allah's islamic monotheism" based on its context.. And some translated it as " (faith) being the nature designed by Allah on which He has created the mankind." Etc.. But they never said this fitra will teach you sarf or languages..

[@israfilangel8062]

@EveryIsnaad IsFabricated this idea of the Qur'an being copied from previous scriptures got dismantled decades ago and in hamza's channel you will find streams where people came with the same question and got refuted on the spot.. So that argument of copying or plagiarism is not valid unless you prove that the prophet had a library of all those Ancient manuscripts and he had access to all their different languages etc.. which doesn't make anysense.. but finding similar stories in the bible or Old testament that used to be in previous books.. doesn't mean the bible was copied from them.. some stories of the past were repeated in them because they're revelations from God so finding similar stories doesn't prove that they're copied from there.. also there's no carbon dating or a chains to trace back those sources to their Authors..

[@onecreator.9708]

This lost blue guy is playing games with all off you. When he gets cornered he changed the subject.

[@chaos121283]

0:00:00 - Intro and panel members join Guest 0:04:51 - NERD 0:05:27 - Afrat Danyiel 0:06:15 - Jesus ibn ahmed 0:19:07 - Madhi 0:39:41 - Jake The Muslim Metaphysician joins the panel 1:03:45 - Br Imran joins the panel 1:05:06 - Shaykh Uthman ibn Farooq joins the panel 1:21:09 - Muslim 1:21:51 - Lost Blue 2:35:50 - Qur’anic Islam 2:38:52 - Critical 2:49:39 - Ben Iqra joins the panel 2:52:35 - Syed 2:56:54 - Sam 3:00:07 - Block 3:00:18 - tussal 3:00:55 - Suleiman 3:01:16 - Sani 3:07:46 - Shin Hua (troll) 3:08:37 - Block (PA) 3:12:40 - Zyad Kiani. 3:36:44 - Abdo 4:21:06 - Edip Yuksel 4:31:28 - Final thoughts and wrap up

[@sidrasalman5454]

Thank you very much

[@sus2470]

I’m so tired 😴

[@naimajama8465]

Your the best x

[@tuluva1]

Great stuff

[@hfzmu]

Keep 'em coming EF Dawah... May Allah keep all you brothers (and myself too) steadfast in Iman...

[@hassanmuse5606]

Ameen

[@hassanmuse5606]

Ameen

[@Unknown-ct2gf]

Shaykh Uthman +Brother Farid =My brain signaling, this is gonna be amazing 😏

[@mikedrop6396]

Much love to my muslim brothers from woodland California USA

[@pelangi20111]

I'm from Woodlands, Singapore, Assalamualaikum...

[@mikedrop6396]

@@pelangi20111 walakumsalam to you 😊

[@pelangi20111]

👍👍👍

[@jzlnz]

@@pelangi20111 the only woodlands i know is in Singapore. Assalamualaikum to my brother.

[@pelangi20111]

You guys look so great. Masha Allah.

[@user-vu3zc7tz4l]

To all Sunnah rejecters وأمَّا مَنْ خَافَ مَقَامَ رَبِّهِ وَنَهَى النَّفْسَ عَنِ الْهَوَى ۝فَإِنَّ الْجَنَّةَ هِيَ الْمَأْوَى۝ [النازعات:40-41]

[@celestialknight2339]

The irony is that the Hadith teach that you will receive the Prophet’s intercession, and in some cases family members can intercede for others. But the Qur’an REJECTS this and tells all people to fear Allah (SWT) and not put their trust in intercessors or helpers. So by quoting this verse, you actually PROVE the Qur’an-only position. Thank you & Salam.

[@honest_user]

​@@celestialknight2339yeah intercession during Jugement day not during the dunya.

[@celestialknight2339]

@@honest_user The verses of the Qur’an that talk about no intercession are almost always in the context of Judgement Day. And those that aren’t are made as open & general declarations-not time-bound as you wish to falsely assume (to rescue your ancestral beliefs). The Hadith utterly contradict these notions when they teach wild things such as the Prophet allegedly being an intercessor for the “major sinners of his Ummah” (killing, adultery, etc.) on Judgement Day, which goes against the Qur’an like day is opposed to night. If you commit major sins and fail to repent, then it’s over; the Qur’an explicitly says of such people: *”The intercession of intercessors shall NOT help them!”* - Qur’an 74:48 And in another passage Allah (SWT) clearly says: *”So leave alone those who take their religion for play and pastime, and whom the worldly life has deceived…they shall have NO helper and NO intercessor besides God!”* - Qur’an 6:70 And the context is Judgement Day for both. Which unequivocally contradicts the untrustworthy words of the Hadith. This is the difference between God’s pure word and the fabricated lies of mere men. It’s a hard pill to swallow; but it’s the truth. And the truth comes from God.

[@hassanabedi4780]

​@@celestialknight2339 Did you use google translate or something?

[@celestialknight2339]

@@hassanabedi4780 No, I can understand Qur’anic Arabic الحمدالله - Can you?

[@saltee3694]

Still cant get over “Cheezus” 😂😂😂 2:42:28 Dr. Imran’s smile is contagious 😂❤️

[@Ahmed_IB]

Thank you brother for making me laugh 😂 May Allah bless you

[@saltee3694]

@@Ahmed_IB thanks for bringing me back to the video by commenting😂

[@Ahmed_IB]

@@saltee3694 You’re most welcome 😂

[@onecreator.9708]

Lost by name lost by nature well said Hamza

[@ever1ast]

I wonder if these Quranists also reject the Prophets last sermon as it explicitly says "I leave behind me two things, the QURAN and my example, the SUNNAH and if you follow these you will never go astray." Well, it seems like they've definitely gone astray alright! May Allah guide them before it's too late.

[@QuranicIslam]

Wrong ... That version of the Hadith is a lie, it isn't in any of the Six Books of Hadith, the first to narrate it was Malik who even in Madina couldn't find any chain for it let alone sahih, and so he narrated it as one of his balaaghat. But that version, as I saud, is a clear lie intended to take people away from the true version which is actually "mutawaatir" in Sunni books; in Sahih Muslim, Tirmidhi, Nasa'i ... and THAT version says I've left behind two things, one GREATER than the other; "the Book of Allah and the 'itra of my Alul Bayt" Yes that's right; Book of Allah and Ahlul Bayt is what is agreed upon, 100% sahih in both Sunni and Shia books. And mutawaatir in both. While "Book of Allah and sunna" which your preachers fill your ears with while ignoring the more sahih mutawaatir version , isn't even in any of the Six Collections of Hadith, nor in the Musnad of Ahmad let alone in Bukhari ... And yes Bukhari knew about the sahih version but refused to put it in his collection due to his pro-Ummayad and slightly Naasibi tendencies. My friend, there is a lot you don't know and are being led around with. God bless you and keep you learning.

[@QuranicIslam]

@@a.a.9312 Yes, and the version in the Muwatta' " Book of Allah and Sunnah" doesn't even have a chain. It is one of his بلاغات ... Just saying "it reached me that the Prophet said" ... He put it in his Muwatta because he was being watched by the Ummayads. As one of his students said "Malik couldn't narrate from Ja'far alSaqid (of Ahlul Bayt) mentioning his name until after the Ummayd rule was over". He put it in his Muwatta to protect himself, that's my good opinion of him. He was the most famous scholar of his time, the star, and was being watched by the tyrants. Otherwise, just the fact that he couldn't find a single chain for that narration in Madina with only one generation between him and over 10'000 Muhajirun and Ansaar who lived and died in Madina, that tells you clearly that this version is a forgery without any sanad at all. So now ... who rejects the sahih Hadiths? Sunnis, or rather Salafis, do all the time if it goes against the established dogma. Wa salaam

[@dbr295]

Despite being so widely attested (we are told there were thousands of pilgrims at the farewell address) it still has 3 versions. One for Quran only, one with Sunnah & one with Ahle Bayt. Only one of them can be true.

[@dbr295]

@EveryIsnaad IsFabricated This is some "Jesus" didn't exist level denial. Also, don't spam this nonsense as if it proves anything. As much as it would support my position, most of this scholarship has been heavily scrutinized & shown to be deficient. Skepticism is fine but orientalists, generally speaking, are even worse (Hagarism & Petra qibla, for example) than the hardcore traditionalists in most cases. The truth is somewhere in the middle. Malik & Abu Hanifa did use narrations but they were much more skeptical & reliant on independent reasoning than is presented nowadays. Then there is the whole movement of Mutazilla, Ahle Kalam, Nazamiya which was quite dominant in many places for considerable amount of time who are brushed aside as heretics/deviants with most surviving literature being heavily polemical. This is similar to early Christianity where there were different sects since the beginning often inclining towards a more reformed type of Judaism (Ebionites, for example) rather than the Hellenistic smorgasbord that would be crystallized later on. The later Christians were trying to build a "higher Christology" to reconcile with the selected canon so they got rid of most things that would exhibit human vulnerability. The Muslim case was that in order to sanction something as permissible that otherwise could not be established from the Quran it had to be attributed to the prophet & his closest companions to gain legitimacy. The Sunnah of the prophet as it is presented today was crystallized later. There is no grand overarching conspiracy. That sort of black & white thinking lacks nuance & demonstrates very superficial understanding. That being said, there are suspicious & malicious characters & regimes. These things have been happening forever. Religious syncretism, development of parallel corpus, theological debates & subsequent formation of different schools, persecution of opponents, claims to orthodoxy, scant early sources & so on.

[@discordalt1724]

@@QuranicIslam "it's not in the 6 books but it is"

[@liby254]

4:28:37 WOW. I'm shocked. And to find out this man has almost 100,000 people following him on KZbin is insane. May Allah protect us

[@akmu1990]

The guy understands parts of the Quran better than Muhammad SAWS who Allah revealed it to and tasked with explaining it. I’m stunned.

[@kutsc3792]

@@akmu1990 said it with a straight face too. The arrogance of it and the worse thing is every single one of them think that too in one way or another.

[@nobodyisborngayislam]

We sent them) with clear signs and scriptures. And We sent down the Message (The Qur'an) so that you explain to the people what has been revealed for them and so that they may ponder. Qur'an 16:44

[@BitMan1010]

How about you quote the quran where the prophet says he has no knowledge of the hour, and look what your fabcricated books say about that

[@aquaisnotades]

Just reminding people, don’t forget to pray. And praying Sunnah is better than not praying Sunnah.

[@amirmohammed6595]

Subhanallah! I am surprised that brothers did not mention to Mehdi that you can also prove 4 raká from Surah Al Nisa, where prayer in time of fear is mentioned. As prayer in fear is half and is 2 raká that must mean that regular prayer is 4 raká. May Allah bless you for your efforts!

[@shameerakthar8785]

it says to shorten , not halfen. Read it properly.

[@ayoubsabery]

اللہ ھو اکبر ماشاءاللہ patient level 💯 👌 May Allah guide them 🙏

[@NoahYazdan]

SubhanAllah I remember watching this live, it's been 3 years how quick time passes, Alhamdulillah its nice to be on this journey with Brother Hamza.

[@timmytab2836]

Excellent stream as always MashaAllah

[@FoxDie85]

Debaters of this stream (Hamza, UbF.. etc) needs to treat those Quran people in a more calmer way. Muslims should respect each other easily.

[@aniiss04]

Akhi, denying the authentic Sunnah is Kufr since we have Ayat that support the Sunnah. And by virtue of that, you'd also reject these Ayat. و السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته

[@epicroyalegamer3272]

Quran People? Every Muslim Is A Quran Person, Even Non Muslims Love Quran, Keep A Shut On Your Mouth Before Talking Such Rubbish.

[@lastword8783]

@@deadpoolstrikesagain3914 hes probably a kid from his user name. On topic, I agree with Anis because i think Hamza can sometimes be a little harsh and impatient. I dont think Farid or Jake are like that though. Hamza i think has been in speaker's corner type of environment too much.

[@safouaneaboutoufayl6976]

I will watch it today inshellah.

[@kutsc3792]

Wow... May Allah save us from this confusion that these quranists have fallen into.

[@DontKnow-hr5my]

The way Muslims in the chat are often acting is very disappointing to me. They act like this is a gladiators game and they seem to have quite the hardened hearts.

[@freelander7829]

Pÿp

[@taimur74]

The last guy Zaid Kiani was humiliated in the park by brother hijab along with two other himaar 😆

[@mohammedzahid1990]

Aslamualakum. I havent watched it. But its going to be good Alhamdulillah

[@ayyel551]

Keep up the good work hamza and the panel. Sheikh osman has the same style as hamza I love it

[@taimur74]

That Mahdi guy .. what a living 🤦‍♂️

[@MuMu124]

Clearly a lot of these ppl who reject hadith dont even know the Quran either

[@yes-wo7qn]

Br farid watching and eating popcorn while everyone is shouting is a mood

[@shzi9090]

Alhamdulillah. May Allah give us All Hidayah. Ameen.

[@zakbutt888]

I came here for a revision break and ended up watching till the end 😩

[@oumarsakho9769]

MUHAMMADU RASÛLILLÂHI SALLALLÂHU ALAYHI WA SALLAM

[@AMGbrmmbrmm]

very difficult topic. I was born Sunni, but I'm slowly leaning towards the Koran alone. Admittedly, the koran alone has many questions. but the Sunnah has as many, if not more. I am despairing

[@muhammadfajarprimajuniansy3416]

Jazaakumullaahu khayran

[@PoeticAmmunition.]

After watching this it seems we need a stream for why people pick and choose hadiths

[@asilahummashraf8970]

Critical is a Christian Arab. He pronounced Al-Imran as Arabs do. Aslo the figures behind him and the cross confirm this.

[@Khalid________]

I think he’s an atheist. The crucifix in his picture is upside down.

[@Saad-lo7je]

Brothers you are doing a good job! Keep it up

[@stixfiddles7919]

Wow ..Subhanallah Everyone fixed up 'lost blue" in such a perfect way that he was gob-smacked in the end (but still he tried to redeem himself) 😥

[@zaidshaikh1065]

"Hamza's critical analysis of character of Prophet Mohammad" argument: 1. Was prophet Mohammad a liar? =) Human beings lie due to their motives. If there is no motive why should a person lie. He was known as truthful and trustworthy before claiming prophethood. People used to keep their bailment with prophet Muhammad pbuh. Because they knew that this person will never cheat. When two tribes went in conflict, they used to call prophet for making a decision. What was the emergency to lie after spending 40 years of his life. Let us analyse all the possible motives. Money: We know that prophet Mohammad pbuh was married to richest women in Mecca. After claiming prophethood, he became the poorest in the city. His wife Aisha RA narrates that for 40 days there would be no food to eat except dates.He was offered too much money and status by the pagans to stop preaching the message but he denied it by saying "Even if u keep sun in my one hand and the moon on the other, even then I won't stop preaching this message of truth" . And by the way inventing a religion is the last thing that a person will think to earn money🤑😂 Fame : fame without money and luxury is useless. After claiming to be a prophet, he and his companions had to face oppression and severe torture in Mecca. Due to which they had to migrate to Madinah. Even there they were attacked by the mushriks of Mecca several times. What kind of motive is that and why would a person spend his whole life to gain such a fame? 🙄 Women : Prophet got married first at the age of 25 with a widdow who was 15 years elder to him. All the marriages that he did were non virgins except one. He also commanded women to cover their body after maturity. Will a man with lust do that? Also he prohibited illegal sex. People believed he was a prophet and he could have easily allowed that. Creating a new religion for women is the last thing a person can do🤣 Here we exhaust all the major motives of Prophet being a liar. 2.Was prophet Muhammad crazy? =) For a non Muslim's perspective this claim may have a stand. But being a Muslim I can only laugh at such a claim. If this claim is true that means 120k companions was following a crazy man. If this is true then 2 billion people on the earth are supporting a crazy man's theology. Can a crazy, illiterate man create a book which has no contradiction and errors in it, has grammatical miracles,has true prophesies, has guidence in every aspect of life such as family, governance,marriage, divorce,defence, morals and all the social issues u can think of . Answer is Nooooooo..... 3.Was prophet Muhammad deceived and misguided by Satan? =) The only people who make this claim r the Christians. The first question you should ask to yourself is what is the need for Satan to kam and miss guide people who were pagans and worshipping 360 idols? What need does the Satan faced to bring them to worship one true God? The Christians at this moment claim that satan wanted you not to believe in Jesus's divinity and sacrifice. But wait a moment, those pagan arabs did not believe in Jesus's divinity and sacrifice even before. And according to Jesus, Satan can't curse himself or can't destroy his kingdom. Every tym Muslims start to read the quran or starts a good action, it is recommended that he should take refuge from the acursed Satan. I think Satan want u to curse jesus and Paul does that😇 4. After exhausting all the possibilities, we r left with him pbuh being truthful.

[@mikedrop6396]

Exactly. Good read

[@Jawad-df7hm]

Thé Iranian guy invented Salah from the top of his head.

[@propheticguidance7842]

The iranian guy also reinvented the calender and changed when ramadan is. He reinvented what siyam is and said you can eat and drink (just dont talk with others!). He reinvented hajj and said its in petra! I heard people say he was exposed as an iranian jew although i am not sure. But at least he is a kafir without a doubt who is trying to reinvent islam.

[@onecreator.9708]

As-Salamu-A’likum this lost guy is completely lost. May Allah swt grant him guidance. In-Shaa-Allah

[@mosesrocco6614]

The brother who had an issue with polygamy very briefly mentioned why it was a problem to him and the panel seemed to miss it and were left confused. He said the reason he didn’t think the prophet would commit polygamy is that it wouldn’t look good to people today.

[@Noor-hh8nv]

Hamzah, please, can you invit Muhammed Ali on the podcast in which you will host Adeeb .. He is a Hafiz ma sha Allah. He was in Hashem and Mansour podcast about the Qur’an only .. He has knowledge and calm ma sha Allah. Thank you

[@abdullajassilkt159]

👍👍👍👍

[@Leila-hd3vp]

Was thinking the same. Hope Hamza brings him on, in sha Allah

[@neaalitygandhi]

Do you have a link to this discussion please?

[@onurjwz6840]

Elhamdulilleh !

[@amth3400]

May Allah bless you all in the panel who defend hadees

[@frailmagic]

I really wanted to see Edip Yuksel have a discussion with some of the panel members again but unfortunately brother Hamza didn't manage to do it ☹ Inshallah they will but then again this stream in itself was great. Jazakallah to the panel members for dealing with the Quranists yet again.

[@sajidurrahman5516]

Mahdi said quran says 2 rakah and then Lost said it is 1 rakah. What a circus is going on here😑😑😑

[@AyubKhan-md4km]

Assalaamwalequm my esteemed and learned Brothers, with all humility I would like to make a small prayer to my brothers doing dawah on this stream. I do understand the frustration with all the provocative statements people make because of their subjective beliefs with regards to what they believe in how one should follow the teachings in Islam.. but I do believe, it's not only the dawah being done, but it's also ones actions that speak about the correct way to follow Islam. So making snide remarks with those calling in with misguided understanding and beliefs will only make those people calling in, more emotional or enraged, rather then accepting of the truth... Some of these people calling in are truly misguided or following their own desires rather then the teaching from the Quran, Sunna and authentic hadiths.. letting these people go respectfully would probably make the dawah more beautiful (if they reject the truth even after you Brothers explicitly prove to them) rather then being sarcastic or ridiculing them when correcting them or when signing off from them on the stream. Some of the callers who are calling in seem to show correct respect in their speech when making their arguments. Ofcourse I don't mean my prayers is to all brothers on this steam

[@AyubKhan-md4km]

@Zlatan Ibrahimovic the 4 hrs that the team spent on the channel is going to be Inshahallah, rewarded by Allah (SWT), Ameen. I believe this discussion room has been created for this very purpose.. It is to help people dispense their misguided beliefs. And those misguided beliefs can't be taken as a personal offence..

[@deadpoolstrikesagain3914]

I agree completely..farid seems kind and gentle..and treats the guests respectfully

[@Diamondraw4Real]

its fine to specifically advisie some brothers more than others when they need it, but your prayers are for them all, right :)

[@Diamondraw4Real]

@@deadpoolstrikesagain3914 true, he's very controlled and educated in general

[@AyubKhan-md4km]

@@Diamondraw4Real no not at all. My last line in my message clearly state that it's not meant for all on the panel

[@Maxi.87999]

جزاكم الله خيرًا

[@ALzzanam]

جزاكم الله خيرا

[@orthodoxmuslim]

Brother Hamza, Please feed this Turkish quranist to Sh. Uthman Ibn Farook in a debate.

[@kutsc3792]

Just shows how insincere the last guy is. When brother Jake pointed out to him about his so called mistake him made in his translation the geaser first pretends he doesn't know what bro Jake is talking about and then he says it doesn't matter as its insignificant and not important. Absolutely shocking. We're talking about the Quran here, the guy admits he made a translation error but then doesn't go and fix it.... Says it all really. It would be good to bring him on as brother Jake was too polite and let him get away with too much in his debate with him. Need Hamza and sheikh Uthman to pin him down and not jump through Hoops.

[@peacenow6618]

Jazakallahu Khayran Ahsanul Jaza

[@Asad-2166]

These kind of people are totally lost! May Allah swt have mercy!

[@khancan2194]

May ALLAH bless the Quran accepter for showing the truth . To all brothers and sisters who have accepted the Quranic message that It IS: Fully detailed Guidance Only book to be followed Condemns ANY other Hadith Do not get tied down in their Hadith followed silly arguments about how Many rakat How to do haaj etc If they have a problem and believe the Quran lacks detail , let them take it up with the Almighty Ask them ONE question before moving on: Show us ONE unequivocal verse or statement from the ENTIRE Quran that asserts , we need or should seek guidance from sources other then the Quran

[@negeto2460]

Exactly brother!

[@SheikhhTV]

Brother Ben with that 10 second monologue was beautiful ! 2:56:06

[@Allam_Games]

These streams deserve lot of likes to be honest.

[@user-zq1cm5ce2v]

Mr.Uthman dismantling the house

[@Mama-1232]

Alhamdillah

[@rrahman12]

lost is lost indeed. justifies his name.

[@liljaa046]

Maybe that's why he's blue 🤷‍♀

[@DjTableManners]

That Lost Blue guy man oh my lord. Its amazing how people think.

[@neaalitygandhi]

Maybe you could consider a steam with Sam Gerrans, Qur'an Centric, and Hamza Abdul Malik.

[@thesunnah..1737]

I love all the Brothers but Farid bro, I love your style. Farid speaks less when he does he nails it just a COOL bro to hang out with. I wish I could hang out with Farid.

[@discordalt1724]

U should follow Farida latest Video brother

[@HussainFahmy]

*_Mahdi got smoked out. Hadith/Sunnah rejectors eventually stray away from Islam. May Allah guide them to the truth - Islam._*

[@farahashique6056]

That lost blue is truly lost may Allah subhaanahu ta aala guide him and us all Aameen thumma Aameen 😥🤲🤕🤲🤝👆💯✌️👍

[@ren69ade]

What are some islamic rulings that come from hadith but are not mentioned in Qur'an?

[@HPzFreelance]

That geezer at the end should be debated and pulled down from his high horse if he is a big boy. He should remember Firoun ? Specially when this geezer has the ordacity to claim to understand more than prophet Mohamed SAW. Asthagfirullah! who does he think he is? may Allah SWT guide him and us in the true and straight path. One thing I noticed with the guests today is that they don't really have a grasp of what ahlus sunnah means or is. They seem to have a wildly different notion to what it really is. Maybe they need to be schooled of it first and then ask where they disagree. A lot of ignorance maybe due to indoctrination as Ben and Jake testified.

[@aceblackmind]

Assalamualaikum for all Soldier Dawah of Allah, May allah Bless Us All..

[@OnlytheBrave360]

Allah swt accept the efforts of the panel, & keep all sincere followers of Allah swt religion on his path and to uphold the sunnah of our noble messenger prophet Muhammad peace be upon him.

[@chirazzk8095]

May Allah swt bless y’all

[@gajiburrahman7378]

Can any "Qur'an only" people explain the interpretation of Surah 9 verse 118 USING only the Qur'an????

[@mcbxbiiix1767]

Regarding verse 9:118... What exactly needs to be explained here? What do you not understand?

[@gajiburrahman7378]

@S Ahmed Thanks for explaining it. Another example of a verse which the "Quran only people" cannot explain using only the Quran is Surah 5 verse 103.

[@mcbxbiiix1767]

@@sahmed1057 and how exactly is this information important? Do you become a better believer by knowing the details about this story? God would have mentioned it if it would be important for us to know. Think...

[@ibnmuhammad886]

@@mcbxbiiix1767 why would god leave useless verses in the Quran for us? Your basically saying there’s dozens of verses that are useless in today’s time Do you realise what you are saying? May Allah forgive yoi

[@ibnmuhammad886]

@@mcbxbiiix1767 Why [is it that] when a disaster struck you, although you had struck with one twice as great, you said, “From where is this?” Say, “It is from yourselves.” Indeed, Allah is over all things competent. [Qur’an 3:165] When did this verse come down? What disaster is this verse talking about? What was struck twice as great? Another verse: And what struck you on the day the two armies met was by permission of Allah that He might make evident the [true] believers. [Qur’an 3:166] What two armies? And on what day? What happened that day exactly? Where is this information in the Qur’an? It isn’t there but it is in hadiths. Another example: Allah has already given you victory in many regions and [even] on the day of Hunayn, when your great number pleased you, but it did not avail you at all, and the earth was confining for you with its vastness; then you turned back, fleeing. [Qur’an 9:25] What is Allah speaking about here? What is the Day of Hunayn and its victory? What exactly happened on that day? You cannot provide any of these details from the Qur’an. Last example: If you do not aid the Prophet - Allah has already aided him when those who disbelieved had driven him out as one of two, when they were in the cave and he said to his companion, “Do not grieve; indeed Allah is with us.” [Qur’an 9:40] Those who disbelieved had driven him out of where? What cave were they in and how did they get there? Who was his companion in the cave? None of this information is provided in the Qur’an but is available in hadiths! There are so many other examples where you need hadiths to derive even the context of verses so you can know what is being talked about. Sometimes whole pages need to be properly contextualized to understand what is going on! Do you know how Quranists respond to such verses? They make claims such as, “What benefit will these details bring me today? How do they help me as a Muslim? I do not need details of such information.” So on the one hand, they claim that the Qur’an is clear by itself and does not need hadiths but when you point to them verses that cannot be explained without hadiths, they resort to such red herring fallacies. In addition, to accept this response, it would mean that there are dozens of pages in the Qur’an which bring no benefit and are a complete waste. No God-fearing Muslim would ever hold such a repulsive belief.

[@sakuram146]

We should call them partially Quranist. Because they follow some and reject/deny other verses they don't like.

[@alexandriarona2299]

Still kufr

[@samsungkartit]

Ma sha Allah

[@mzaman8660]

Brother Ben is not taking prisoners today!!

[@uttyk]

To be honest, Mahdi held his adaab. just complete poor treatment of his responses from hamza.

[@omarsharif4741]

That's all people of innovator's have but inside they are filthy filthy

[@tasmemon6838]

Dude is changing Allah's religion like he owns it, and you're worried about poor treatment? Someone's got their priorities straight!

[@Shahid-if4ws]

Madhi wants to change the Words of Allah.... shameless person...

[@rahiem5283]

how can you listen to the message but not to the messenger ?

[@moizahmed4705]

2:25:07 According to the Hadiths, strict conditions must be met for this punishment to be carried out. For example, for someone to be punished for theft, the thief must be a sane adult who knows that theft is forbidden, the crime has to be proven either by confession or the testimony of two reliable eyewitnesses, the stolen item has to be of value and taken secretly from a safe place, and the owner has to claim it. Otherwise, the punishment is not applied. Moreover, the punishment is only applicable in a society where the needs of the poor are adequately met (i.e., they receive alms-tax, charity, or welfare) and where theft is more out of desire than necessity. It is worth mentioning that Umar ibn Al-Khattab, second Caliph of Islam, suspended this punishment for one year due to widespread famine. But if we were to reject the Hadiths and go with what the Qur'an literally says then we are supposed to cut off the hand of a starving insane adult who is caught stealing bread. Now this punishment isn't effective anymore and doesn't make sense.

[@deen4857]

Brother Hamza have some Patients please

[@bbccnn8836]

Sunni panel is weak as they have poor understanding on Arabic. Arabic reader clearly knocked down sunni theology

[@mikedrop6396]

Who did?

[@bbccnn8836]

@@mikedrop6396 only quran guy.....

[@mikedrop6396]

@@bbccnn8836 yur trippin only quran ppl are lame af

[@bbccnn8836]

@@mikedrop6396 ah ah ah....you Sunni cannot defend haddis

[@svany21789]

Amen! Hamza doesn't even speak Arabic and he's on here acting like the ultimate authority on Allah.. Smh

[@MrAbujibril]

The Mahdi guy’s take on the Quran is exactly why ppl should learn the knowledge of tafseerul Al-Quran.

[@Fadidi1981]

Hamza and all of you may Allah bless you brother Farid do you teach hadith classes

[@ronniefrown1138]

Assalamualaikum my brothers. I wrote this because I had really wanted to express my feelings about the approach of brother Uthman. As a Sunni Muslim I am disturbed by his attitude. Because we need to be more patient as well as a guide to those who wants to find their way. I am a teacher and I can put myself in their position, and when I do that I feel irritated, and that irritation can make them more stubborn. Inshaallah if the brothers can approach in a more patient way it would be way more precise in order to guide them to the truth. Assalamualaikum.

[@tasmemon6838]

Honestly, it was well deserved. To someone who denies the authority of the Prophet Muhammad Peace be Upon Him, brothers Uthman and Hamza were quite gentle to them.

[@kutsc3792]

Brother Jake smashed it... So logical and clear in his breakdown of the arguments.

[@user-pt1ki9qt5f]

Can someone link the live video they end up having with Edip Yuksel. Or have they not done it yet?

[@oumarsakho9769]

Alhamdulillâhi Rabbil âlamiin. Allâhumma Salli alâ Seyyidinâ Muhammadinn wa Sallim. Thanks Brothers. May ALLÂH SWT Protect Bless Help Guide us and Grant us jannah. Amiin Amiin Amiin Amiin

[@One-Truth-Only]

[6:114] Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?* Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt. [6:115] The word of your Lord is complete,* in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient. [6:116] If you obey the majority of people on earth, they will divert you from the path of GOD. They follow only conjecture; they only guess.

[@ajhammer1701]

ALL of these “Quranist” speak out ignorance 😪

[@lastword8783]

Everytime Mahdi said something ridiculous, he had this smirk on his face like he knew he was doing something haram.

[@AbdurRouf-zn4xs]

There was willingness of exchanging views with Edip Yuskel. Did it happen already? If yes, could someone share the link? If not, it is more than 4 months since Mar 13, 2021- surprising, why not materialised!!!

[@user-po3zi7ne4y]

Indeed, the Qur'an relates to the Children of Israel most of that over which they disagree. And We warned the Children of Israel in the Scripture, “You will certainly cause corruption in the land twice, and you will become extremely arrogant.

[@Umar-yi2ot]

2:07 There is a lack of unity among traditional Muslims as well.

[@asadzaidi6188]

This lost is so lost. May Allah guide him and all of us

[@soulstice99]

What a GONG show. Suggest you gong these guests when they jump the shark