Answering the question without understanding [Happy Together/2020.03.12]

[@tamtruong1225]

The tips they showed on how to solve the questions is a one-way street to the most ineffective way of studying a language seriously. Later on they’ll just know how to solve problems without actually using the language to communicate...

[@lauranost]

Totally agree... They are only learning how to take a test and not actually learning how to speak the language fluently. That is why a lot of Koreans run into the problem of not knowing how to communicate in English verbally with fluent English speakers.

[@dewopras6905]

I think its because their concern in this episode is to take exam in listening and reading not in speaking or writing. Hope they can make new episode about learning how to speaking and writing english.

[@loomkkoom]

because in korea passing the test is actually much more important than learning english. Most english natives would even fail their tests because of the way they are made.

[@tamtruong1225]

​@@loomkkoom Thank you for letting me know. Actually, as an Asian myself, i'm very well aware of that situation, in which students study specifically for tests and tests only. I think most people agree that this learning style for such testing system is a problem that should be addressed and resolved. However, instead of showing better ways to learn languages, what they do is normalizing the problem, making it socially accepted on national TV with prominent MCs that is fine to study simply for the test. Over the time, language learners will memorize grammar structure by heart while having trouble communicating, which is the sole reason you learn a language for.

[@fusioncrews5329]

Same problem as Japan. they study just to pass the test, not to communicate.

[@imjiyan]

It really shows that they are studying English not for the sake of communications but for the exams

[@delusionalfan]

Yes

[@pebriantilestari9961]

Wow this is definately learning english to take a test, not to speak english fluently...the same way my teacher teach me at school, I have a great score in english but when someone ask me to speak my mouth stuck and brain stop working that's the effect of this method....in the end I just watch some video on youtube with my language sub, and than to eng sub, and than without sub...practice in front of mirror and try to speak in english...I don't really understand the purpose of teaching english in school is for taking a test or speaking english in daily life tho, and I also saw a video I forget the tittle bcs it's long time ago but an elite korean student that got perfect score in english can't speak english as good as their score too so I think i'm not alone in this aspect hhaha

[@minxbella9342]

Lmao you are not alone.. I always have difficulties in speaking english even if my English grade is good.. Somehow English at school only teach us how to do the test but not how to speak english fluently.. I always have low confident to talk in english but feel comfortable writing in English instead.. When I need to do presentation I always say hmm and ahh and also pausing for a moment to think of the next words in english.. It’s like my brain freeze when I talk in English lol

[@tonta3983]

Minx Bella i feel like most schools don’t teach languages correctly. they just want you to be able to take tests, and they don’t care if you actually learn or not. i feel like a very simple and underrated way of learning english is watching english shows and movies. watch a english movie with subtitles in your native language. then watch again with english subtitles, and then to see how much you understood watch it again with no subtitles. but as a native english speaker i can assure you that your english is very good! :)

[@minxbella9342]

adri ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ aww thank you.. I feel a bit confident talking in English after hearing that compliment ☺️☺️

[@kitchied]

I disagree with the so-called expert they consult :(. Sadly, he obviously focuses purely on just getting a high score while totally trashing actual learning. What Jaesuk and the others point out (writing) as something that helps them is actually scientifically proven to be something that triggers the brain to literally work! Writing notes by hand truly does help a person remember things and learn, whereas simply typing things is not quite as effective. And that works for learning absolutely anything, not just a second language.

[@minxbella9342]

Kitchie Coochy Cook totally agree with you.. I find writing my own notes helps me a lot to remember than only reading it

[@lyrics4you995]

I think this video is showing only a method on how to pass the test...

[@peko7446]

@@minxbella9342 muscle memory

[@peko7446]

@@lyrics4you995 I think so too. When I studied another language years ago, the school offered each level in two parts, grammar and conversational. We got tested on both separately. Some students did well in grammar while others in conversational.

[@itsgreysbee]

From experience, english is easier learned by learning to speak first, read and write second, grammar third.

[@katiekawaii]

Haha I love when English test questions contain grammatical errors. And by "love" I mean "drives me crazy." 😅

[@haoyonglee298]

This is a terrible way of learning English. It’s far too technical, and very impractical for use. Just complicating the language with unnecessary rules which take forever to comprehend. You won’t be able to communicate on a basic level like this.

[@jeffreyfong1323]

"A research has showed" ... When the question itself is not grammatical ... "Research" is uncountable and the past participle of "show" is "shown".

[@samma6509]

I respect jaesuk for trying to learn English. It's hard enough to learn Korean. English is harder.

[@blixblix0220]

i hope they not just study for the exam :( i hope they can start talking too ..

[@hotpotlvr]

i fluently speak english, but it’s so fun watching other people learn the language :)

[@winniethepooh8353]

I agree, I just want to help them

[@AH-yn6ip]

"A research has showed that". Quite an awkward way to say that, I'm not sure that kind of sentence structure does students any favors.

[@Ayshun525]

It sounds weird because it should be "has shown".

[@minxbella9342]

Filo_Emma LF I was like hmm why does this questions sounds so weird and I can’t really see where it’s wrong then I see your comment.. Ahh that’s why I feel like the sentences is quite wrong

[@hopelee4474]

And “A research” is wrong...

[@Ayshun525]

"Research" is a countable and uncountable noun but it's just more common to use the latter. So it's possible they were just referring to a specific one. Can't wait for the next episode 😍 Is it just me or did they skip showing Hyunmoo's score in the test?

[@redfullmoon]

@@Ayshun525 if you're referring to a specific one, you don't say "A research" you say instead "A research STUDY has shown" or if the study has previously been referred to, "THE research has shown...". Research itself is the act of researching, which is uncountable and always definite, so therefore cannot be defined with an indefinite article like "A".

[@summerscents8284]

They all need to start somewhere. Dissecting the sentence and understanding its pattern are important too. It will help them with comprehension. It is up to them to expand their learning. Since immersion is almost impossible due to the nature of their job, watching English films is an A+ factor. As for speaking it, they need to practice amongst themselves or better yet practice in front of a mirror, watch how they speak - employing all facial muscles. Reading is important too! Good job to the show for helping their peeps to do well in English. It is about time.

[@selvimanullang6745]

It muat have been so hard doing the show. They are so busy with multiple shoots, but still have to learn at home

[@KatieBudd]

I wish this was more about them actually learning the language to be able to use it, rather than just learning for the test to get a high test score

[@Sarang2700]

Speaking is really important in learning the English language. So communication is important in class. Some people are good in the test but when they speak they tend to fail. So talk to someone that is how you also learn.

[@Erik_Emer]

5:06 OH GOD. If you fill a page like that, you won't learn anything because everything's so close. Believe me; I've taken 4 different language in university at the same time.

[@jm11a98]

That's dependent on an individual's way/strategy of learning. We all have different ways. If he learns better that way, then be it.

[@cristinelyssa]

@@jm11a98 agree ,i memorized japanese characters by wringting it mu

[@minty_drawer6925]

the sentences are so difficult for someone who has just started learning english.. i am fluent in 5 languages and it is better to read books/ articles of your interest in the language is more fun and also improves your vocabulary a lot.. I hope in ' Hangout with Yoo' he takes up the challenge of learning english..

[@niczeu]

Mr. Yoo Jae Seok and I are the same, I memorize by writing as well.

[@katiekawaii]

However, writing things down by hand _actually is a good study technique._ That's one thing viewers could emulate.

[@thevoicebehind91]

Don't just study! LEARN! You can study this way for years and still won't be able to speak the language.

[@garaldeaubreykate164]

Jaeseok is like me when I'm memorizing things haha. It shows that we are visual leaners. I thought I'm the only person who does that haha

[@johndc7446]

Although learning the principles of english grammar can be useful. In my opinion I would recommend for beginners stick to your their language grammar. This could probably just come natural when you are already familiar with most the basic words in english.

[@bayetomas]

English is my second language. Third is Norwegian, and I'm not so fluent even after 15 years of communicating. It's hard to learn other language when you're already 30 yrs old and above. The easiest way for me to learn fast was conversing with the natives and watching english shows on TV with norwegian subtiltles.

[@minxbella9342]

Jaesuk oppa style of memorizing is the same as me.. I always write everything to memorize my notes

[@Muneo12]

Well done Jae Seok!!

[@pugzlipigeon5906]

I’m American and I can’t figure out what they’re teaching 😬

[@TheHothotheatlive]

What a lot of people don't get is that you HAVE to take the English test for work or uni admission reasons, without actually needing to speak English in real life. In that case I feel like it makes sense to "game" the system.

[@lethargic.programmer]

😂 Oh my!! In our country they taught it in very detailed and complex way. and they taught it jn very simple way that a student can understand.

[@hatsuharu333]

You probably learned it in a better way. This method is like a crash course to pass a test. Not a way to truly learn a language! (I’m from the US so I speak English natively but have also learned Spanish and Korean - the fastest way is not necessarily the best way!)

[@ragiltiti2416]

I used that technique to when i did my TOEFL test. Doing the test without translating

[@bahbee5160]

When he said ‘C’ was the answer, I was like bruh there is an ‘are’ in the sentence.

[@nurulmaisarah2723]

Are their test always MCQ? They don't have any essay question? I don't know if they are lucky or not 😅

[@RoyMcAvoy]

Yes, TOEIC is all in mcq. Even the listening part of it.

[@delusionalfan]

Not trying to discourage them, but they should include an oral exam as well! My oral exam is always the worst compared to the other written exams. But yet, this may or may not help them improve their speaking and understanding of the language

[@MaiPrettyAngel]

i live in america and i feel like i'm learning english for the first time too

[@delusionalfan]

This method sounds quick but they will never learn to understand what was being said, no? A good strategy to score for the test, but not for understanding

[@bharathichettiar6872]

a research has SHOWN lol

[@CrixusHeart]

Yes. Although native English speakers would never start that sentence with "A". It would start "Research has shown..." or "One research study has shown..."

[@bharathichettiar6872]

yes i know , im not an idiot. i just think it's acceptable if they say 'a research' for korean standards as although in practice we usually just say research has shown, saying a research has shown is not incorrect. the more shocking error is the use of showed instead of shown. what kind of teacher is teaching them gosh

[@CrixusHeart]

@@bharathichettiar6872 That was not an attack on you. I simply stated what the norms are in addition to what you had already said.

[@marygracecastillo8130]

That's not a really good way to learn the language though. They just focused on the technicalities and did not bother to understand what the sentence actuallty meant. They might pass the exam, but they're gonna have a difficult time in actual conversations.

[@emmah6045]

After studying language in a classroom if you really want to learn to speak fluently in a new language, go live with native speakers for a month or so. Do not speak your language at all for that time period. If you hear something that you don't understand, ask about it. I think KBS should send its actors and other celebrities on vacations to English speaking countries for a month......to stay in a B&B where they must speak English to get by.

[@mjicrts]

Anybody else get triggered when the question which they were prompted was phrased as “A research has showed that...”? The confusion around how they used the word “research” is understandable, but “has showed that...” is just concerning, considering that this guy is literally trying to teach them English LOL.

[@ximii132]

My english is still messed up..i cant even write a proper sentence properly and my speaking is very lacking because i never speak english in my daily life but here i am learning new language which is japan and korea lol..i can read hangul now.oh and i can read arabic language as well lol...but it is very hard to speak korea so i switch to japan right now which is easier.. because i think speaking is more important than reading or writing..i learning hangul actually only for reading manga lol

[@insanebe1]

lol english test with french resume word XD

[@rolypoly1689]

just read english novel. i master english grammar after reading Harry Potter 1-4

[@merrytsk]

"A research has shown that".....

[@AshleyKaulitz007]

Congrats. You have now learned how to pass the tests but are still far from actually using the language.

[@littlebubbly8909]

my mom taught me how to speak english at the same time she let me watch english cartoons.

[@은수-c8c]

taught

[@littlebubbly8909]

@@은수-c8c yeah right! still i am able to convey the message.. but thnks!

[@ranger_hben8657]

Did they realize that the English example sentence was incorrect, right? "Has showed" should be "Has shown." Is that guy really an English teacher?

[@RoyMcAvoy]

That only shows the level of English in Korea.

[@Aoirsae]

I have to stop watching this video because I need to go do a research. Bye

[@cristinedhor]

1. Research has shown* Btw, it's a good tip for someone who wants to nail a test. Perhaps to go abroad or something.

[@RoyMcAvoy]

Then, after they go abroad they will struggle to understand all the lectures taught in English

[@johncampbell3940]

"A research ..." really? and, "has showed"? yikes.

[@0325-h3u]

Like I dislike the way they learn english too but with just 1 month it is hard to teach them communication im english

[@moonbuni59]

Interesting

[@katiekawaii]

I hope people understand that this is teaching them how to take the test, NOT how to speak English in any useful way. That's fine if all you need is to pass a test, like these people are doing, but don't take this advice if you want to learn English.

[@nicoleyala_yolo7070]

Making sentence is simple but following the figure of speech , idiom,etx is so annoying

[@diniahulya1593]

가르쳐주시는 분도 잘 못하시는것 같은데 ..