Ant-Man and the Wasp Quantumania LIVE BREAKDOWN (Spoilers) | The Deep Dive

Ant-Man and the Wasp Quantumania LIVE BREAKDOWN by Erik Voss! Erik hosts his first solo livestream to talk about Quantumania, its ending, post-credit scenes, Kang, and more! (Spoilers ahead! Do not watch if you haven't seen Quantumania!)
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[@allenmobley8444]

I think Scott’s paranoia mimics Stark’s after the first Avengers. He’s now so concerned with his reality after discovering knowledge of a threat beyond his understanding.

[@justspeakingmymind7224]

Exactly what I thought

[@RBS176]

Haven’t watched the video so don’t know if this would’ve been bought up but I feel Scott’s been put into a time loop at the end of quantumania🤷🏼‍♂️

[@Tenebris616]

Oh yeah, I feel like Scott’s going to become the next, Tony Stark type character the one who drives the king hunt whatever is gonna happen

[@SKPanda1915]

I didn't think of Tony, I was thinking Scott is basically Loki just on Earth which is 100X worse. There's no Avengers (like the TVA) for Scott to tell, so what can he do if the end is coming.

[@TTSFabrication]

To be fair Janet did seem really concerned about Scott going down there, she broke down exactly what to do and stay away from, she knew where he was going. To me she seemed nervous.

[@roberts_archive]

And she was keeping her PTSD & trauma to herself, probably because she didn’t know how to deal with any of what happened to her down in the Quantum Realm.

[@TheBlackSaint]

@@roberts_archive She knew she'd doomed the Quantum Realm to Kang and also given up her chance to return to her daughter. That's A LOT to deal with.

[@GendoRokabundi]

She basically knew there was a monster at the bottom of the sea. She reacted differently to Scott taking a ‘dip’ to get some healing particles compared to Cassie making a huge splash by dropping something that would sink to the bottom.

[@seekfind9531]

I was thinking the exact same thing

[@MountainVibesTX]

I kept thinking what an incredible ending it would’ve been if it had taken Cassie months to figure out the portal at the end, and by the time Scott & Hope make it back up to Earth, so much has changed. Would’ve been a hell of a way to kick off phase 5.

[@davidjsanders76]

The paranoia of Scott at the end about whether he did the right thing was more subtle and scary. Time jump was already done in Endgame

[@DayliteRaps]

What if it did take her months 😅 but it felt like 40’seconds 🧐

[@yomaine]

I don't think they actually made it out

[@jkq2006]

@@yomaine the cave all over again haha

[@tellyastraight5619]

Yes 🙌

[@torresfelipe90]

wow at first i watched this for the info and entertainment value but from the 59min mark to maybe 1:01 (I paused the video) ...gosh dude i was not expecting that. i wasn't ready to feel those emotions. i saw them held back behind your eyes.. Ive been scoping out newrockstars since maybe Logan but this just added to my appreciation of your brand, your channel, and most importantly you, Mr. Voss. keep doing what you do and ill be here continuing to watch. Much love and thank you for what you do.

[@jasonfujiiyahoo]

I was NOT expecting to get an emotional Erik talk about his wife, but I’m SO happy that I got that! So happy that you’re with someone who makes you feel so happy

[@wimcuypers29]

Hey Erik! Great breakdown! I think Janet didn't mind Scott entering the quantum realm at first because he didn't go deep enough to get to Kang's level. As we saw in the first and second ant-man film, Scott is getting smaller and smaller and thus continues into the quantum realm. But now she was panicked because Cassie really sent a signal down like an antenna from space. And that kang would catch this signal..

[@griffith124]

I watched the breakdown on NR. But I noticed a great detail during the fight scene with Kang and the resistance. When the fire blasts guy(sorry I forgot his name) Kang reverts his blast into Kang Kinetic energy just like Shang Chi did with his fight with his dad!

[@tb0ne317]

i like the connection between baskin robins 31 flavors and this being the 31st movie, but i think another more important connection to it being the 31st mcu movie is kang is also from the 31st century

[@clarencesaizon3580]

My theory, Janet was willing to send Scott down because it was a one device trip that they totally controlled who went down and when they came back. She didn't realize that there could be 2 way communication between dimensions with another device.

[@kokosworldofficial]

Yeahhhh and on top of that the only reason they were able to get pulled down there was because modok happened to be there! I don’t think Janet even knew about him to begin with too even speculate him being alive and in connection with Kang.

[@DavidWeight827]

One of the issues I had with this movie was the "time" continuity error/plot hole (although, maybe it was intentional). His whole relationship with Cassie and Hope in this movie was as if he had only been back for a few days. He didn't know about her suit or her secret quantum studies or her regular arrests (that most recent being for tent cities for the recently unblipped); it very much felt like they were both still feeling each other out. But Scott had enough time to write a book, record an audiobook version, have his suit upgraded and build rapport with the Coffee shop guy. Skipping the fact that Cassie went from a small child to a nearly-adult woman with a combat suit and some amount of "superhero training", this move is really hard to follow chronologically.

[@misfitme7838]

14:15 what would have been so cool Is if the new rockstars staff had a cameo but in the cameo it would look like they are taking notes of every thing

[@revolt81]

Kang is also the Antagonist of this new phase. So him being on the "A" works in that way as well!

[@gare4808]

I thought modok was more for Cassie’s story, she literally said her life started when the man in the bee suit almost killed her when she was 6

[@Moonlight-rz6tv]

I think she said her life was never normal, using the example of the man in the nee suit as an example

[@kylecarter1599]

The only problem I had with M.O.D.O.K. was the redemption. Especially since Darren Cross turned a man to goo and flushed him down a toilet. You can't redeem that.

[@julieavis1714]

I enjoyed the show. I saw it later than the live stream but I appreciate your input and observations.

[@Voqualvex]

I love the possibility part you spoke of. Like what if Kang can only be defeated if every single avenger went through a probability storm to defeat him since he defeated avengers countless times before but because only he could have variants. But what if every avenger has a No Way Home Spider-Man moment and overpower kang. I’d love to see that play out honestly.

[@brandonmoore2712]

I love this! Please keep it coming

[@juliocast3326]

Thank you Mr. Voss… don’t get me wrong I love most of your co host on new rockstars but you are my favorite.

[@emilyniedbala]

I genuinely whisper shouted “Is that Ryan Bergara?” as soon as I saw him in the theater… love his shoutout here!

[@kaivalyashah]

This was great! Learnt so much about the process and also felt a lot more level headed than the videos on the main channel.

[@JimenezPerez]

Dawg, your take of the difference between the Kang dynasty and the Lang dynasty was bodyguard hard. New fav channel. Voss is boss.

[@alishavpthomas8136]

I feel like Scott got returned to a different universe because he had to pay for the coffee now

[@larryjenkins9156]

I think that was meant to be a joke. Scott wasn’t charged when the coffee shop guy thought Scott was Spider-man but was charged when the guy realized Scott was the “other” insect Super-hero. No respect for Ant-man.

[@onthelevel222]

Are we sure Cassie created the portal in a few minutes? It was a few minutes for Scott and Hope but time works differently there as we found out from Endgame. No, it wasn't years but it could have been weeks or months? I know that's still fast but with Hank and Janet helping, it's not impossible. Just a thought.

[@mandipandi303]

I LOVE that Hank refers to the ants having a Level 2 society. He's a scientist. He'd use the correct terms, not the bullshit "first world" or "undeveloped country" labels!

[@philipbickham7551]

Hank was worried about the Tonys’ family getting his tech and he takes Tony’s nano tech

[@RafikiTheBaboon]

The reason people didn't get hyped for how big antman became is there was no scale of reference. Could have been the same size for endgame without trying to look deeper

[@franklinrichardsii1556]

Man I’m going to love this channel. I love long in-depth breakdowns.

[@philipbickham7551]

You make this roll taste good

[@MrRichieRides]

Eric Voss telling me I don’t wanna work for him but than continues to speak to my soul!!! Man everytime I watch any MCU content that’s all I do is see so much more than all my friends and it’s important to me that my friends know what I know and see what I see when I watch them so they know how much work and detail goes into ever single shot in all these movies it’s insane!! I just feel like sometimes people don’t realize how much work goes into these movies and all they see is a movie that they liked or didn’t like and forget that this is a bigger universe that’s got Easter eggs throughout every second that could tie back to a throw away line from a movie that came out in 2013 or something and it’s absolutely insane and so exciting to me!

[@rnldrc]

Erik, I'm absolutely loving your deep dives! appreciate them so much!!

[@emanemanne7088]

Hey Erik... can you DIVE DEEPER into the scene with Sitwell and Capt Roger's in CA:Winter Soldier. WHO are those Insight targets Sitwell mentioned... in hindsight. Cairo, Undersecretary of Defense, Valedictorian from Iowa City.... Have we met them? If not, who could they be now that it's been SEVERAL phases since.

[@jesusjacuinde6737]

I think I have a theory of what happens in the storm of possibilities when the Scott’s get big and they unravel. So I saw a clip today from civil war and it’s when scott gets big for the first time and he tells cap to wait for his signal and that he doesn’t know if it will work or he will tear himself in half. So the Scott’s that get big maybe are Scott’s that haven’t mastered that trick and are tearing themselves in half. I thinks that’s what happening there.

[@matthewa441]

I absolutely loved MODOK. He has always been a ridiculous character so this was a perfect translation. I really enjoyed the scenes he was in. I do agree that they should have spent more time with Kang, they probably should have given MODOKs scenes to Kang. But for what it was, Modok was fun.

[@kyemaker]

You will see plenty of kang we needed a taste before a buffet lol

[@tron45]

There was a Shang Chi reference when Light-head shoots his unibeam and Kang catches it in a circle, changes the color to blue and shoots it back.

[@Dr.Beetlejuice110]

13:21 i definitely thought it was a simulation and a Kang has to be in control right now.

[@SalsaPie]

I'm glad they did Modok as something funny and didn't take him too seriously. It's a neat callback to the comics. I think Modok would be too... goofy to take seriously in the MCU. A lot of people will check out if the end up doing that.

[@Hexlaw111]

Does anyone know who spiderman is and what spell?

[@dellilnay30]

“i was lost before she found me” i replayed that part like 3x i’m 🥺🥺

[@blckstr_canuckles]

Producer John will appreciate this: Cassie is to Scott as Penny is to Desmond- the Constant. Faraday was right.

[@Von223]

Good Job Voss this was very Chill!

[@Felix82]

The sphere markings look like the marking on the box in No Way Home that Dr Strange has.

[@anthonyj8371]

So hyped to watch this! I wish all ur breakdowns were 1hr27mins long! 👍 went to the theatre drunk 15mins late and i had such a blast with this movie 👊 right when they got into the quantumrelm 🔥 ngl i was trippin

[@teresamassie9216]

Our family goes to every MCU movie either the night before opening or opening day. The anticipation is always high and we are never disappointed ! Thanks @ericvoss ! ❤❤

[@joshuamilitaryvehiclesman7941]

I really enjoyed watching this I sure hope you do more 😊😊😊😊😊

[@jmgraydz]

You should look up who the holes guy is. Also hank was never able to go that deep into the rhelm which is why she wasn't worried

[@Miggyfiggy]

Second post scene was 🔥

[@KingOfTheNorth822]

So how do you get the pics from post credit scenes?

[@roberts_archive]

“Reincarnation, baby”-He Who Remains, when & how does this come into play? Does Kang getting sucked into the multiversal engine lead to this? Is Victor Timely appearing the start of this? Both? Are certain Kang’a kinetically connected in a chain of reincarnations? Are certain Kangs like how HWR said “been dubbed many names by many people - a ruler, a conqueror, He Who Remains, a jerk” linked?

[@WadeInTheWater23]

@1:12 55 The Modok situation was sad 😅 he’s like I don’t know what to be …… dam 🤔

[@abinsushaman1]

Jonathan majors did voice the three Kangs in the same voice modulation as he voiced the three time keepers !!!! Any thoughts?

[@johnwhite4992]

Loved yoy peeling back the layers... isit like an onion or more those a parfait 🐎 🐴 lol

[@MarrvelFan123]

I have a theory that there was a universe filled with odd creatures that was shrunken down(not all of it) into the quantum realm, but because that was so long ago the people don’t remember where they are from.

[@tonyatyler8059]

Thanks Eric for the in-depth review of the movie. I could listen to your theories and observations any day.

[@ToniSkit]

I got to see the prescreen in 4d- was awesome

[@MarvelMan320]

I noticed in some of these marvel movies that insects and bugs are an inspiration. In “Wandavision”, her hexagon shaped barrier to me seemed like a beehive and her a sort of queen bee protecting her children. The hive mind connections of Spider-Man, Groot and Ant-Man. The thought of all these things is so interesting and clever.

[@coryascott]

Lots of people on Twitter hyperventilating over Hank saying socialism lol

[@anothercleverusername992]

I REALLY love that we are now referring to _The Council Of Kangs_ as _The Kang Dynasty..._ I mean... I'll carry a little disappointment later on in the MCU when we get _The Council of Reeds_ and _The Counsel of Doom_ that Kangs grouping of Variants is not part of the same naming scheme... But _The Kang Dynasty_ is a really badass and cool title for it. Hell, we might just get _The Richards Dynasty_ (or _The Reed Dynasty)_ and _The Dynasty of Doom..._ so we'll see. Hahaha

[@jasonclarke1023]

Hey Eric! I’m so surprised I’ve never heard you talk about the Netflix show DARK. Have you watched it? Did you like it if so?

[@daviddimmock1044]

I think he who remains will be the smart kang that is not the aggressive one and teams up with Dr Doom to take down the other Kangs in secret wars. I think this will all play out in armoured wars and secret invasion then fantastic 4

[@mnuncio8793]

Thor was the one who gave him the hardest fight maybe. Like Kang can’t try to offer him a change in his life since Thor has already accepted the heart break and the past. Maybe also like Scott to which the fight isn’t only for him but his child (Love).

[@canos263]

59:58 You really got to me Mr. Voss.

[@TheMoviereviewGuy007]

What if what if hear me out kang needed Tony to die to manipulate the time line watch to his own machine/equipment so Tony the one who originally created it can solve or fix what kang did

[@emmanuelhyacinthe4361]

Glad to see

[@Izm_Skizm]

Erik I don’t know where you get your trailers but I have NOT seen these trailers. LOL. Hook a brutha up!😂 Love the Deep Dive concept. Love how you also touched on the fact that Sylvie is pretty much to blame for all this.

[@Izm_Skizm]

@@DeepDiveNR exceptional effort an work my friend. Greatly appreciated🙏🏾

[@janmitchell3976]

Hey Eric, can you do a deep dive for the chaos trigger theory? Plz ill make an amazing pizza for you and even eat it for you.

[@PresidentJabooty]

You had me at In-Voss-tigation

[@WadeInTheWater23]

Kang will get out with all of his probabilities. Scott made a mistake by using enlarging and Shrinking Pym particles. So that equation will balance itself out

[@ToniSkit]

Agreed on the part when kassie cuts off kang … was super lame

[@ericpaz9546]

Yay Erik ( the wrong way to spell it btw from a fellow EriC) I’m glad you doing your thing excited to watch this breakdown

[@christophersimms9785]

I thought MODOK was a great addition. I thought he was the obvious one to joke on compared to Kang. After all it is an Ant-Man movie and I expected a good amount of comedy. You could tell that Darren was already going crazy in Ant-Man 1 and after being disfigured, it pushed him over the edge of insanity.

[@AdilynnVstheworld]

i missed the live

[@maylee5928]

You say Hope is “super heroic” because she chose to dive into the quantum realm after her parents but… Scott literally did the same exact thing. He had a good firm grip on some metal bar but chose to let go and go after Cassie because she got sucked into the QR. I’m not disagreeing or anything I’m just pointing that out

[@airmett8939]

An issue with this movie is it tells instead of show, especially in terms of Kang’s power. A flashback scene with him killing the Avengers would’ve been much more effective than having him just say it. Instead what the film shows us is his energy field taken down by Modok before he is then carried away by ants and then finally outdone in a fist fight by Antman. Because of this movie, anything about Kang’s strength or threat to the marvel universe is simply not believable.

[@The_Infamous_Boogyman]

Janet was ok with reaching the outer section of the quantum realm, she never said she was ok with going deep in and delving into the deep dark lines

[@airmett8939]

Thanos saw himself as inevitable. He will always be no matter what. In his view, he would always be destined to snap his wish into reality. Kang in contrast sees himself as the result of various different possibilities. There isn’t one result that he is destined to and so his entire mission is to put the right inputs in place so the end possibility can be a favorable one. The avengers defeated the idea of one single being inevitable but then in that opened themselves to the threat of countless possibilities, with not any one of those possibilities being a foregone conclusion.

[@ajames609]

Movie was great.

[@Eireternal]

Honestly the ending was a little trippy, like did his timeline get branched??

[@alexbow6699]

“I try not to focus on these things when I watch the movie” is crazy for someone to say who literally breaks down movies for a living.

[@jefferywill8683]

If killing him makes him come back then the kang we saw “die” probably ain’t dead

[@bananaking664]

did anyone else notice she hulk clapping in the opening

[@nigelfrasier2253]

I 💯% agree it took way too long for Kang to show up.

[@hoe-teendelvalle4626]

It would have been cool (although corny) for it to have ended with SHANG chi parking his car at that restaurant.

[@bubblesbybimmiebell4144]

I just want to say how much I appreciate the way you embrace the suspension of belief and having fun in the movies while still pointing out the misses. I get frustrated when people rip movies apart and lose the magic of just going to a movie and being in the world. Sure, all movies will have plot holes and stumbles...the question is was the movie fun (or scary or thrilling, etc). ? You somehow manage to celebrate the big picture and also breakdown the details.

[@PrettyXXEmpty]

I soo agree, this is why I prefer going to movies alone😂

[@Bimhermodrsenblom]

Well said. This is basic media literacy.

[@savedgesurvive]

I'm saying. Especially with MCU films... she's a tiny woman how did she dp that to that person 3 times her size...it's a movie based on a comic..... that's why they're super heroes.

[@flakedawg19]

Just got back from watching Quantumania and it was a great cinematic start to the Kang Dynasty. Very excited for this new channel and to go swimming in the deep end of the content pool!!

[@BaileyM666]

If I remember rightly, Janet says that Scott and the others had never been that far down in the quantum realm before, which is what I assumed to be the reason why she wasnt as mad about sending Scott down for the healing particles

[@MistrChocolate]

At the end was a SECOND time Kang could've escaped the Quantum Realm. Instead of blasting Scott before he entered the portal, he could've let Scott leave because his sphere was still there holding that portal open. I think that reinforces Kangs' penchant for anger and revenge. As smart as he is, his thought process falters when he's consumed with revenge.

[@codycarver9483]

What if the reason the embiggened Scott "possibility" started to shred away is because the one trying to grow wasn't 100% Scott (willingly and physically) enough so the science of the suit didn't work and that's what would happen if Scott wasn't strong enough to be Ant-Man?

[@TripleOgi12]

with Cassie finding a way back so easily. They said they weren't going to the quantum realm in the beginning . Never said they couldn't. especially with exact signals / coordinates that they must now have

[@michaelwilley65]

More Erik Voss is exactly what we all need 🤘🏼😊👍🏼

[@craftynekoLM]

You’re so knowledgeable and I think it shines much more in this calmer, longer format. Just not so, for lack of a better word, rushed to condense similar info into 20 mins.

[@TimDaco]

Awesome Video Erik!!! OMG THIS MOVIE WAS AMAZING!!!!!! I LOVED IT SOOOOOO MUCH!!! I've always Been a Huge fan of Ant-Man and This was Definitely not just My Favorite Ant-Man Movie, But one of My Favorite MCU Movies!!! All The Characters were Great! Paul Rudd was as Always Fantastic as Ant-Man! Kathryn Newton did a Great job with Cassie And Jonathon Majors was Incredible as Kang!!! Also Those Two Post Credits Scenes were Amazing!!! THIS MOVIE WAS SOOOOOO AWESOME!!!!!!

[@dannyl-p1543]

I myself enjoyed the movie! To me it felt more of a Kang origin story than the end of the Ant-Man trilogy which I didn't mind at all. Can't want for the Loki season 2! I think you were spot on on the MODOK character, whatever they were trying to do with him felt very flat. But here is my theory, since Kang has seen it all, all characters, he'd obviously seen MODOK and copied the character to Darren Cross... I hope we still get to see the actual character in our main universe some day...

[@kquiteno]

You said 31 flavors for Baskin Robbins and this is the 31st Marvel movie.. Nathaniel Richards from the 31st century discovered other multiverses and became Kang. It's uncanny!

[@JayKeating-kj1jp]

I just got backfrom watching it and I enjoyed it, I don’t understand the amount of hate it’s getting.. I’m even more excited to see more kang and even more excited for season two of Loki

[@emilyk5168]

Are Shang Chi's rings a shrunk down version of Kang's multiversal engine? They look like they have the same kind of inscriptions and shiny sides.

[@IsiahBradley]

Erik, I love how you are the Earth's unofficial Marvel continuity director! I wonder how many Marvel Studios interns have to take notes of your commentaries! :) As TM Nerdy says in the chat, you are the GOAT--even though we disagree about "Contact," one of my favorite all-time movies. (Jodie and Matthew have no chemistry throughout the movie because Jodie's character is mainly connected only to her father and her cosmic work--the film's point.)

[@TheWoodshed83]

Do you think his paranoia you bring up might mimic Tony’s paranoia during the Infinity Saga? Also, loving the new channel! It’s awesome to get a glance at all the hard work that goes in to these breakdown videos and makes me appreciate them even more.

[@justspeakingmymind7224]

Thats the way I saw it. Scott being the only one who really has an idea of what's coming. Its going to always be on his mind and he will always be worried. Just like stark after going in the wormhole and seeing what was out there.

[@ely_emile_]

Hope in the probability chamber! Clutch! I wanted more Hope appreciation in this vid, haha. She was clutch the whole film. And her relationship with her parents, I wish was more explored in the film

[@flexwick]

For the record, I exclusively watch marvel movies opening night so I can come here then go watch a second time, us long time fans seek this investigative deep dive

[@simplycinae4723]

It’s possible that the enlarged Scott unravels because he is not in a permanent state. When he is enlarged it doesn’t last and he loses the ability to stay enlarged, thus that enlarged version ultimately ends. So it’s like when sylvie hides In catastrophic events ultimately that time line ends or unravels.