In Defense of Paper Mario: The Origami King | A Fold Above The Rest

[@AngelicMissMarie]

The interview with Tanabe makes me think that Nintendo is just restricting second and third party developers from making original characters to protect the integrity of THE BRAND. Odyssey is a main-line first party title so of course they'd allow the team to be as creative as they like. It's pretty clear that this is not a problem with the devs as it is with the higher ups at Nintendo.

[@TheRealRidley12]

Yep, Tanabe's bosses set the rules, and expect them to be followed. Even if they don't like it.

[@ericwijaya2119]

@@TheRealRidley12 its not the devs its Tanabe cause Miyamoto revealed how he had little to no involvement in Origami King

[@TheRealRidley12]

@@ericwijaya2119 Yeah, I don't know why I said that. Tanabe is the problem, and Paper Mario won't go back to being like the first two unless he's removed, either willingly or involuntarily.

[@Mqstodon]

@@ericwijaya2119 actually no? I'm pretty sure he was just ordered to do that

[@ericwijaya2119]

@@Mqstodon an article on Reddit stated that Miyamoto had little to no involvement in the development of modern Paper Mario games. I cant actually show it tho cause i cant access Reddit.

[@amshigar0092]

I could be totally wrong on this, but my interpretation of the interview is that design wise, they are no longer allowed to make actually new variants of existing Mario characters or species. So they are allowed to dress them up in original outfits like the Sombrero Shy Guy or Ninja outfits on Toads, but their underlining design must still resemble their official design, meaning they can no longer do something like Goombella with her pink body, one fang and hair, or Bobbery with his unique fuse, beard and ship wheel wind-up key. This might also explained why a lot of enemies like Boos and Dry Bones got redesigns in Sticker Star onward to more closely resemble traditional designs. Likewise, it seems like they CAN make new characters, but if they don't follow the above restrictions, then they must be something completely unique from the existing designs. So stuff like a sentient sticker crown, or a living paint bucket, or talking/singing trees. And likewise, for whatever reason, it seems like they aren't allowed to use their old original designs for some arbitrary reason? Admittedly some of them like the Piders were a bit redundant, but I don't see the need to remove so many more distinct designs like the Clefts or Bristles. I do think even with these limitations, assuming that these are the actual limits, they can do a lot of really neat and creative stuff, but they definitely need to put more effort into mixing things up more. Having Mario enemies as NPCs is a great first step, but if Nintendo insists on these limitations, I'd like to see more characters from stuff like Sunshine or Galaxy or Odyssey make an appearance to help stave off the constant Toad fatigue everyone has.

[@adlaistevenson2623]

I'm pretty sure new characters are only allowed if they're so far-removed from the "normal" characters to render them completely alien. Hence why the new bosses are realistically-rendered objects and the new villain and vellumentals are made of Origami. I feel like the trees in the Whispering Woods were probably a bit of a gray area, but maybe execs thought THAT battle was simply too petty to fight. The exception to this rule seem to be including a single new assistant character in every game, so Mario has a way of communicating with NPCs in the story.

[@jowysw]

I still don't get wh they limit character to classic mario games tho. Like, characters from Sunshine until Odyssey are not valid either? NPC Piantas or races from Galaxy or Odyssey , even by themselves without changes, would do so much for variaty in the design of characters.

[@OriginalGameteer]

@@jowysw I think by classic they mean the 2d platformers (for npcs), though Galaxy makes since given yknow they're aliens with no reason to suddenly be in the mushroom kingdom (after all Octoombas reappeared in a space level) Enemeis dont appear to be the case to a degree given we got Stingbees As for the trees... given there arent talking trees in any main mario game they could probably get away with it

[@bfcofficial17]

I mean if there is an area where they can make separate and unique characters without breaking these "rules" then we can only hope later Nintendo will stop these restrictions all together when the designers figure out fully how to get around this.

[@jowysw]

@@OriginalGameteer to be fair for Galaxy the end of Galaxy 1 showed that all of the races Mario met were in the mushroom kingdom after Rosalina did some stuff so I guess they could use that excuse. Although the Mario series is not one that cares about story much. And apperanly that ban on characters is more noticiable with NPCs than enemies too? Weird... For the trees I guess they used the excuse that in Mario World was quite normal for the background to have eyes on mountains and trees so it could be justified that way?

[@NanaKyoto]

The Paper Mario franchise has literally been treated like paper, being folded into all sorts of different ideas, even if it didn't pan out too well. That's the best way I can describe the way this series has unfolded.

[@10.ikadekanandadwipayadnya83]

But just like real paper Once the paper is unfolded you can still see the old fold-marks (though the game is good, we still remember how bad the past 2 paper mario games were, and this game has its own ups and downs. Not as good as the original or ttyd, but a good improvement from the other two) (and the fact that they are no longer making unique characters is also sad)

[@NanaKyoto]

@@10.ikadekanandadwipayadnya83 My only experience with Paper Mario goes only as far as the demo of Thousand Year Door, and the first chapter of Super Paper Mario. But hopefully, that will change soon.

[@drdewott9154]

Ok how much thought did you put into this comment cause damn!

[@TheRealRidley12]

​@@10.ikadekanandadwipayadnya83 "But just like real paper Once the paper is unfolded you can still see the old fold-marks (though the game is good, we still remember how bad the past 2 paper mario games were, and this game has its own ups and downs. Not as good as the original or ttyd, but a good improvement from the other two)" That's a great way to think about it.

[@TheRealRidley12]

@@NatetendoOfficial The original commenter isn't saying that it has, but merely comparing it to unfolding real-life origami.

[@REAL_Infamous]

Gotta tell you, I had no idea the game was divisive until I finished playing it and went online. I literally watched the trailer, thought “that looks fun”, bought it, played it and found it thoroughly enjoyable. Goes to show the benefits gained by turning off the internet and just experiencing something on your own terms

[@swishfish8858]

Nooo, you did it wrong! By forming your own opinion, you didn't let other people invent an opinion for you, and as a result you didn't join the war as a piddling slave against our nemesis, opinions-that-aren't-ours! Everyone conforming and being part of the same group without using their own brains is literally all that matters!!!

[@alexallen6001]

My uncle got it for me cause I seen the trailer and liked it

[@melisroom]

First game I played of the series, and I enjoy it for what it is, witty, fun, and cute. That’s all it really needs. Though I did find the puzzles boring at first…

[@willthelemon5681]

I applaud this. I mean it's one of those things right like Wind Waker I didn't know I was supposed to hate it I just played it as a kid back in the day and loved it. I didn't have the access we have now to have someone's fully formed opinion typed in a limited amount of characters to a funny bird app telling me "Nope it's not OOT so bad" of course now Wind Waker stands on its own and holds up well so I'm interested to hear how this game does in 5 years time.

[@lordofmalice]

I agree I was hesitant at first then I just end up really liking the game it was more enjoyable than a Thousand Year old Door to be honest.

[@MrGojira95]

The Mushroom Kingdom going to war against a Spitball Army is an incredibly funny concept on its own!!! And no surprise if it actually happens.

[@blockyvids2]

Imagine the battle system being a third person shooter.

[@Stitches000]

@@blockyvids2 YES

[@kidomaruking35]

With splatoon references

[@buzzytrombone4353]

The story being Mario and Luigi having to hold a protest against it only to be overshadowed by the war would be fucking great

[@Pacmanfan-po9rn]

"When the world is currently made of bricks" nice Caddy reference

[@BugsyFoga]

The thing he turned into

[@joaobatistacavalcante2478]

BlockMan From Megaman 11: Did anyone call me?

[@Evan.280]

No please he’s awful

[@Sean-D78]

RIP Caddy's marriage with Bricks

[@scrumptioushumanbeing2268]

@@Evan.280 no you THINK he is awful. Other people like him so don't say he IS awful

[@MirbyStudios]

I loved this game but I honestly feel like Nintendo is being too protective of the Mario universe. Yeah they make their own original characters with mainline games like Odyssey, but then they act like only first party mainline games can do that and second party games like these can't at all. It creates an odd double-standard, and then, as you pointed out, they don't even really stick to it that well. I guess the tree people are an extension of the hills that have been around forever but it's still weird that these rules exist and are also not hyperstrictly followed. Still a great game though.

[@tjlnintendo]

Whats even more weird is that games like Luigi’s mansion can have og characters. 3 had a lot.

[@TheWispGuy]

I can agree with you on Nintendo being overprotective with Mario. To give my own example, I really loved the Mario Golf and Mario Tennis handheld games. Sure, you could say they were "Mario in-name only" but they had there charms. I was really looking forward to see what would happen to the characters in the hypothetical sequel, "Mario Golf DS" and "Mario Tennis DS"... and I'm still waiting. :( (this could also apply to the Mario Golf 64 characters as well)

[@somethin7020]

@@tjlnintendo Luigi's mansion 3 even had Tanabe as the producer like the new paper mario games, so we know Tanabe isn't at least fully at fault here.

[@22neptun]

You can really notice how Alphadream had to struggle with this limitation after Dream Team. First they made the super-underwhelming Paper Jam, then they stuck to remaking their old games cause that apparently circumvents the No-new-characters-rule. It's a shame that that Nintendo's protective rules killed the Mario&Luigi franchise.

[@Underestimated37]

I think the rule is actually in reality: no second party studio can create new characters, and if there are characters, they need to be outliers like bosses, protagonists or antagonists, and cannot remain in future releases. Citizen characters (like toads) can’t be created from scratch unless Nintendo does it themselves.

[@Bailey_West]

Nintendo is a cruel mistress... Fans: “Can we get a better *turn based* battle system?” Nintendo: *hits blunt* “Lmao watch this”

[@bfcofficial17]

Well, I'd say TOK's battle system is more unique and a bit better in the sense of it than just being plain.

[@Bailey_West]

TheTopHatBox Oh for sure! I would take TOK’s unique battle system over sticker star or Color Splash any day. I just find it hilarious that Nintendo would make a pun out of genre. Kind of like having a FPS game be about a scientist who measures Feet per Second

[@cuckoo61]

Nintendo: ... Say no more

[@donovanmahan2901]

@MultiTarded it has a progression system alright, they get progressively more difficult until you hit a brick wall with figuring them out on your own.

[@CarMedicine]

I wish the regular battles were as clever as the boss battles. There were like 2 enemies with mix-ups/gimmicks. Every boss battle had a gimmick/mix-up.

[@1stAid]

AntDude: "This was better than anything we got in the past 10 years!" Me: (looks up Super Paper Mario release date; 2007) "Okay that'll pass!"

[@Mike14264]

Yeah, don't worry, that was on purpose I believe.

[@السراقالمجهول]

yup

[@johndelkab2111]

Origami King is frankly better than Super. Super’s great but people only really care for it’s way 2 deep story. I much prefer Origami King in every other department.

[@السراقالمجهول]

@@johndelkab2111 music super is a little bit better than ok but than is up to you characters super locations defiantly super bowser & luigi super peach & mario ok gameplay ok is a little bit better than super but again its up to you the closet one to the original games super

[@stagivian4705]

locations for me are origami king since it was more open and lively. Charachters super. Artstyle TOK, Bosses TOK, music TOK, gameplay TOK, bowser both were amazing idk tbh, story Super, peach and luigi Super

[@spc9107]

In a world where everything on the internet seems to be so negative and deconstructive, it's really nice to have this channel as a consistent source of positive vibes and criticism. Thanks for all you do, and keep up the good work.

[@YourHomieFrog]

“The world is currently made of bricks” Caddicarus said that... WAIT

[@gustavomonne2860]

The Bricks left Caddy to be with their true love... ...an ant guy.

[@hplwonder4054]

Yeah I said that to myself when he said it, but hey they're like friends and we constantly see them collaberate

[@skylersilva6582]

@@gustavomonne2860 I honestly thought bricks left Caddy for his EVIL TWIN BADDY

[@Daddy-ue1du]

I actually thought about making this comment

[@superfruitpunch1379]

When you realize two of your favorite shows are in the same universe

[@pairoftimberlands4236]

There is nothing in this multiverse that can explain the adrenaline rush you receive from beating scissors as paper.

[@Xetheon]

Their gonna make a book about it, and then probably a movie everyone will hate.

[@THawkMedia]

I got one. Beating the shadow queen

[@Classixish]

i remember using DK's wind-up punch to beat Master Hand during his slap; pretty sweet adrenaline rush ;)

[@coolgamerg9272]

I might know one: Soul Melter EX from Kirby Star Allies.

[@coolgamerg9272]

Either that or playing Config Mode from the OG Kirby with one hit point and one life.

[@graydensheridan2862]

"Now, I really enjoyed color splash." TTYD fans: *Impossible*

[@Xetheon]

I actually like sticker star. That's the Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself of paper Mario.

[@furret_walcc101]

@@Xetheon I thought sticker star was ok

[@Melkac]

@@Xetheon Why did you like it?

[@Xetheon]

@@Melkac it's decent, not good, decent.

[@bfcofficial17]

@@Xetheon I mean, you do know opinions exist right?

[@lgonzalez8850]

I’ve been playing through this game recently and I’ve been having an absolute blast. The original Paper Mario is my favorite game of all time and Origami King is bringing me the same feelings of joy that the original did. (‘:

[@supermarionoobs2639]

10:49 "and once they fulfill that purpose, they go away." Yeah... Bobby goes away... *sure lets go with that*

[@Danny-rg1ux]

The aftermath when you have to have mario the therapist make olivia feel better is just Heartbreaking

[@wildfire9280]

@@Danny-rg1ux sounds like a job for Dr. Mario

[@mrman-rb6dx]

“You got Bobby the Bob-Omb, who is great, and should be protected at all costs.” ha ha ha ha ha ha *sobbing*

[@ShibuNub3305]

I think I actually had a mental breakdown when I heard that

[@rodrigomorales563]

He ded

[@StevePiPi]

Thanks for the fuse, best bud...

[@catarenatucker2781]

Our poor Bobby🙁

[@gepapa3633]

and it was at this moment when peace stopped being an option

[@ChristopherMoom]

I'm gonna say it right now, I think there's one thing literally EVERYONE can agree with for this game This game has a PHENOMENAL soundtrack, Event Battle, Origami Castle, and Autumn Mountain's Battle Theme slap

[@jumponeverything]

Don't forget the tranquil pipes teahouse theme, maple tree way is a bop

[@randomjustrandom4403]

You, How do I find you so fast

[@randomjustrandom4403]

might as well subscribe

[@pairoftimberlands4236]

Don't you guys dare forget the scissors theme

[@royalelucifer]

What about the fanged fastener?

[@ShrapnelStars]

The rule about modifying characters and creating OC's really feels weird, because when I played the rest of the game with that in mind, it felt like that was a rule Tanabe was working around instead of deliberately trying to adhere to. I don't know. Go back and read through Bobby's arc, and it feels like it's lampshading that rule. He's a character with a compelling story, but he keeps defying Olivia's attempts at making him stand out and feel unique. She wants to give him a name, and he says no, and he keeps emphasizing the fact that all Bob-ombs are identical and live short lives. She's trying to elevate his character and make him feel unique and valued, and he keeps putting that down and saying that he's just a copypaste enemy. I feel like there's more going on behind the scenes with that stupid design rule than what was said in that interview. All I know is that a good game got made despite that rule, so there's some clever people on that development team, and I want to see what else they can come up with. I really do hope that they at least bother with some other NPC's besides Toads the next time. Mario has a lot of different characters and monsters. The Snifit and Monty Mole areas were great, and I want to see it go a bit further.

[@Howitchewstofeel5gum]

Yeah man, I had a similar impression when it comes to Bobby. It's also referenced again later when all the Bob-Ombs board Bowser's ship and Olivia mistakes another generic Bob-Omb for Bobby.

[@alfasilverblade]

They managed to make a good game with those restriction. Imagine how great the game could have been without those restrictions. Such a big waste of potential and creativity.

[@adlaistevenson2623]

Yeah, it's oretty clear that the team tried designing a game around the rule and pushing the envelope as much as they possible cound under the circumstances. "Look, this isn't an ACTUAL elderly Koopa, he's just cosplaying!" And "This Bob-omb isn't ACTUALLY named Bobby, it's just a mistake on Olivia's part!" The fact that most people refer to the character as "Bobby" rather than "Bob-omb" is pretty telling that Intelligent Systems knew EXACTLY what they were doing.

[@donkeykong75m]

@@alfasilverblade Honestly thats the reason me and a lot of others are a little salty at the game, Its not Blind love for TTYD and 64 its this fact, they Have it they have the creativity and hit all the notes its just one little thing holding it back from hitting a home run out of the park,

[@alfasilverblade]

@@donkeykong75m Thats why Bug Fable exist. Its rich with lore and creativity. You can "tattle" every characters in the game and all 3 of your characters have something to say about everyone. No boring silent protagonist and unnamed generic characters in Bug Fables.

[@rgilbert2951]

Ttyd fans: bring back the thousand year door combat system Modern fans: we need more originality Me: why can’t we have both and have original characters?

[@Mqstodon]

Because ttyd is overrated as hell and it's combat system is just the one from 64 with a different look, and changing it is extremely more interesting

[@buttermeat6529]

@@Mqstodon so by your logic every sequel that builds on it's predecessor is just the same with a different look. I think someone might be a tad biased lol

[@JessieJamesPlays]

@@Mqstodon Story is only good there

[@moofusgoofus]

@@Mqstodon the only thing I agree with is that ttyd is overrated Edit: I finally got around to playing it and it’s now one of my favorite games of all time

[@jumpyman9754]

You mean ttyd fans don’t want originality?

[@supersonicbro]

It's gonna be Paper Mario: Invasion of the Clayliens, calling it.

[@christheleavittman7080]

There's Claygons on the starboard bow.

[@cheezsteak2229]

@@christheleavittman7080 It's worse than that, he's dead, Jim!

[@christheleavittman7080]

@@cheezsteak2229 It's life Jim, but not as we know it.

[@lofikirbstar623]

kirby and the rainbow curse 2 ft. paper mario

[@revolutionstudios5052]

Paper Mario: Stamp Champ. (I stole this joke - it is not mine)

[@darklightning2730]

Still waiting for your review of Mario and Luigi: Dream Team. I played the entirety of that game again on hard mode just so I can see that video come out.

[@djimonmcdonald9085]

You're nuts. I like that

[@wisejabroni5605]

I loved dream team its my favorite the the dream world was way better then running around inside bowser which got boring after a while and the music is great

[@darklightning2730]

Wise Jabroni Especially the final boss theme

[@TinyPrinceGames]

Dream Team is sorely underrated imo, all because people got bent out of shape by the hand holding in the first couple hours. It's my favorite in the series for sure

[@octoisgay]

I hated Dream Team, and I’m not saying this just to have a different opinion.

[@MrSai-mn8wz]

Antdude: the world is made of bricks PLOT TWIST!!! The bricks cheated on caddy with antdude

[@rodrigomorales563]

@Bini Lover ok, it's fine if you don't like caddy, but can you quit spamming and stop being annoying about it?

[@rodrigomorales563]

@Bini Lover WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!?! He's not a pedophile!

[@rodrigomorales563]

@Bini Lover And what does that have to do with caddicarus?!

[@legiaanh4828]

​@@rodrigomorales563 From what I could tell, Alax got accuse of rape, and the accuser doesn't have any concrete evidence, Innocence until proven guilty. I'm not getting more involved with the situation so you go and research that yourself.

[@rodrigomorales563]

@@legiaanh4828 No, I know about THAT. And I'm sure these accusations are false. But marx over here is talking about pedophilia, which isn't what happened at all.

[@ElliottLJ]

14:56 Also, the 7 Star Spirits appear in Mario Party 5, not in paper form either. And Bowser’s castle from the first Paper Mario is also seen in a Rainbow Road course, in Mario Kart: Super Circuit. Both games I never played but know thanks to the internet (and a box cover for MP5 which I remembered from one time long ago). So yeah, the Paper Mario games also influenced some other Mario spinoffs too.

[@mangoberri3000]

I love the little detail of Colored Pencils showing up for the first time and the little notification of "Capture taken." in the corner. Like, I can feel you just being "Lol, what the hell?" and taking a screenshot of it in your amused bewilderment.

[@jumpyman9754]

It was in trailers tho

[@ARCHIVED9610]

2 yrs later im giggling like mad at this comment

[@Psyga315]

"Finally! We get a villain who isn't Bowser in this game!" {Count Bleck and Dimentio sit in a corner, sobbing}

[@rodrigomorales563]

I don't think the neither the general pubic or even nintendo themselves really understand the potential bowser has to be a legitimately great villain.

[@zjzr08]

@@rodrigomorales563 Bowser was pretty intimidating in 64 -- IMO maybe have him team up like what they did with Antasma in Dream Team but at least make it more interesting.

[@dubstepbee6892]

AAAAAND THE SHADOW QUEEN

[@Mojo1356]

@@zjzr08 I’d say Dream Team had something going by having him betray Antasma, and in Paper Jam, he’s a lot more destructive than the average Mario game.

[@Underestimated37]

Next game; Bowser gets a personal assistant/life coach, and becomes more successful and efficient, making him dangerous by default.

[@Monroah]

16:10 So the Paper Mario equivalent of giving Mario a gun. I'm down.

[@GreenEyedPsycho]

In the paper mario context, its chewing up pieces your body to spit them at enemies

[@plan8067]

13:52 I've been waiting for someone to talk about this room. Top left is definitely from 64, the center one is from Super (Look at the squares and the lack of outline), the top right is Color Splash (White Outline and possibly Port Prisma?), Bottom left is Sticker Star, Bottom Right seems like it could maybe be TTYD? And of course the big one to the right of all of them is Origami King.

[@wiiuandmii7619]

There are CS references ABOUND in this game, too. I've counted at least five, with one possibly being a misunderstanding.

[@Blast_Studios]

9:20 That’s a big reference to Super Mario 3D World’s goomba mask.

[@davidopinko]

This is one of my favorite games on Switch. I can see how some people might not like the normal ring-based battle system, but everything else about Origami King is fantastic. The art style and music are top-notch, it has a good story, and the bosses were a really interesting and fun switch-up from the normal battles.

[@Kinonotabi]

This game had a really amazing story. Olly might just be my second favorite favorite Mario villain in the series. The sound attack was also good. The graphics were beautiful and the origami aesthetic was a great progression of the arts and crafts aesthetic. I love this game!

[@preposteroussongs5572]

Olly is just Tomura Shigaraki in paper form. I will admit some of his dialogue is funny, but he's still just a whiny brat.

[@shawnshock8651]

I feel they really dropped the ball on the ending and Olly's motivation

[@rodrigomorales563]

Olly was alright. His motivations were pretty dumb, and the possibility that he's likely a child like olivia doesn't fix that. But he was okay, I guess.

[@Quinhala11]

Olly's motivations were so bleh You rlly think he's better than Fawful? Bleck? Shadow Queen? Vivian's sisters? King Boo? I mean i respect your bad taste i'm just asking

[@blahblahgamer827]

@@Quinhala11 i think its mostly the actions that olly did rather than his motivation dropping a boulder on his sister folding peach into the castle and all other stuff he did.

[@katiemckinney9456]

1:12 I agree with you, I loved Color Splash. Yeah, it may have had some annoying parts at times, but that made it even better when I was able to get past it and continue. The wacky stuff takes so many different directions, you never know what to expect. We explore a poisoned garden because 2 Shy Guys had stuffed Petey into a Teapot, fight Ludwig in a half-finished submarine that looks absolutely ridiculous, tame a dragon with a burger, steal back a train with the help of a Toad who for him, every day is Arm Day, and fight a FREAKING RAW STEAK! It may have it's flaws, but you can't deny it's charm.

[@epicphantom589]

My favorite quote from that one livestream is “Unlike the other Paper Mario games, this game doesn’t have a world map.”

[@Mat4yo]

I was so pleasantly surprised by this game. So happy that I just impulse bought it because the trailers didn't sell me on how deeply colorful the world would be. Shogun, snif city, shy guy game show, dancing trees, I felt like a little kid!!!

[@JoSephGD]

13:47 actually, all the Peach sprites and backgrounds in the portraits reference the 6 main entries

[@Tstarbuck]

I honestly loved this game Some particular moments were especially good, even if one made me sad

[@lukethemankey3522]

I mean really though, if they're limited to only preexisting Mario character, why not just use obscure/lesser known ones? They kinda of did this in Color Splash and Origami King, using characters like Dino-Rhino, Bone Goomba and Boss Sumo Bro. I can excuse Color Splash slightly, but Origami King came out well after Odyssey, so why couldn't they use character like Tostaranans for Sandpaper Desert or Lockladies for Shangri-Spa. Hell, even Color Splash could have used Galaxy NPCs like Whittletons, Penguins of the even older Bob-omb Buddies. It's not like they're being forced to used Toads.

[@Mqstodon]

They...do though? I'm pretty sure there are sumo bros in olly's castle at least, so some other enemies are there for sure. And like...the ones from odissey aren't mario species. They're original characters that are no doubt going to appear in that one game and that's it, so they can't use them. Also the older bob-omb buddies? That would awful for more reasons. 1, they would be reusing characters? 2, they conflict with the rules because their design changes many things about the original enemies designs.

[@eitanyehoshua6862]

I don't think you get it, they can't change existing mario characters, they can put hats or cloths but they can't make new versions of known species, but they can make new species like the folded folk or the talking trees.

[@OriginalGameteer]

Boss Sumo Bro is Origami King, not Color Splash He was guarding bowsers castle in the green streamer segment

[@ZarathrustaTate]

well the tostarena people clearly are mexicans and sandpaper desee clearly was not méxico.

[@NitroIndigo]

I remember when people were surprised to see the dragon from Captain Toad in a Color Splash trailer.

[@shaankelly1302]

Antdude, you misunderstand the interview answers. They are not allowed to modify PRE EXISTING SPECIES. They can put hats on if they wanted to and they did dress up a few in Oragami King. The body shape, standard features of the species cannot be modified. They are allowed to create New charatcers, like the talking trees, because they are a NEW SPECIES. Odyssey also adhered to these rules. All the different creatures in Odyssey were original species, there is not a single pre existing species on Odyssey that breaks this rule. I agree that the rule is dumb in the first place but I feel this is important to correct you on.

[@Fooza05]

But bro Tanabe literally said "We aren't allowed to create original characters that touch on the Mario universe" that literally means new species

[@shaankelly1302]

@@Fooza05 Yes, new species that tie into the Mario universe. All of the unique characters they've created from Sticker Star have been one offs and are not new established species'. It's a paint can, some office supplies and some generic trees.

[@Fooza05]

@@shaankelly1302 Now that's the correct way of putting it but here's the thing. You're telling me the NPCs from Odyssey don't scream Mario? Same with the Origami Siblings too. Idk maybe I'm misinterpreting things here. Doesn't help that like, most of the TTYD NPCs too don't even remotely look like people from the Mario universe. I swear this statement gave me more questions than answers haha

[@tan_nerd07]

Does the Tropical Wiggler count, or is that a new species?

[@shaankelly1302]

@@Fooza05 I do consider the NPCs from Odyssey to be Mario. I think Tanabe is just misunderstanding the rule and could've put more original characters in if he wanted too.

[@RidingADream2004]

I am a huge paper Mario fan and paper Mario 64 was one of my very first games to play. I have been craving a good paper Mario forever and after seeing the origami king, I became so happy. Playing it, made very very very engaged with the story and I found myself very much invested. I love it and I feel it’s the sequel of the thousand year door! Very grateful for the game!

[@skylinegtr3454]

11:35 *"......While the game was definitely hilarious at times"* *Shows Shunned Guy*

[@HypeVoiceActing]

"the series has never been cinematic before" Whoop, that'll trigger the Paper Mario purists alright rofl Truthfully, I honestly feel like this is the best Paper Mario game we've gotten since Super. The story is surprisingly gripping (and even kind of disturbing when you really analyze ... certain things that happen later), the world is just beautiful with how it's rendered and designed, and I'm convinced the staff are fully aware of the hate the last two games get because I also feel this has some of the most passive aggressive dialogue the series has had, and I love it. (also honestly, "Sticker Star is not a good game" might as well just be "You're not allowed to like Sticker Star")

[@orangeman3505]

I think he said that because the cutscenes of Origami King look like a movie scene.

[@ctpp64]

i feel like youre getting a little too salty here

[@HypeVoiceActing]

I said the game is good. How is that being salty?

[@RyderPlatinumWarpstar]

Yeah some of the things that happen in this game are actually pretty disturbing. I’d specify what, but I don’t wanna get in trouble of spoiling some of the things that happen in this game.

[@TrueCrouton]

Project harder. No one in the known universe is calling classic Paper Mario "cinematic."

[@TheEpicBros]

Peach: ...Should the mushroom kingdom unfold and be refolded...? AntDude: Pssh, no. Peach: ...Will you crease yourself and be reborn like me...? AntDude: Let me see, NO! Peach: What about those... toads? Shouldn’t they be silenced for all eternity...? AntDude: You drive a hard bargain.

[@rodrigomorales563]

Toads aren't actually that annoying. The public just overdid their voices and ended up making it annoying.

[@zigzoinks5493]

A really hard bargain.

[@badcatalex]

@@rodrigomorales563 nah they used to not be annoying but the voices they gave the toads changed and got more and more annoying over time

[@somerandomguy5097]

“Spitball Showdown” is something Nintendo would probably do.

[@Underestimated37]

probably the next release will be paper mache

[@somerandomguy5097]

DCrispy1990 They just did that

[@Underestimated37]

No, not really, a couple of enemy’s yes, but not the whole aesthetic

[@somerandomguy5097]

DCrispy1990 But they still did some, it wouldn’t be new if it was a whole new game

[@Mapsh]

@@somerandomguy5097 Just like how they folded enemies in sticker star, and did it again in origami king. However I still agree they should come up with something entirely new.

[@yeetusdefeetus]

“ he makes an impact” * *shows sweetpaper valley* * man why just why

[@diabeticman2194]

I really loved my time with Origami King, and if we kept getting Paper Mario games in this style, I'd be pretty happy. I just hope Nintendo does add more original designs to future games, as I do think it's silly that Odyssey can create new characters for its world, but a Mario spinoff can't

[@Braiyan8972]

Super Paper Mario has the best story, and that's the real understatement

[@IronBlaze77]

Oh hey, someone who has the same opinion as me! TTYD is a very, _very_ close second.

[@marcusmendesmontano7167]

Huzzah , a man of quality!

[@poudink5791]

I award you the trophy for least controversial statement on the internet. congratulations.

@@poudink5791 you'll be surprised on how many people disagree, like 80% of the fandom

[@epicphantom589]

The sad thing is, a survey for the game showed that most people didn’t like the story of the game. My guess is Wii players didn’t understand the story, so they thought the story was just the string of events that lead to the final boss. And then, Nintendo saw this survey and decided that they couldn’t have a good story, and instead just the string of events that lead to the final boss. Solve a problem with the problem. Great job Nintendo.

[@0599191]

"You will gain more powerful aswell" AntDude 2020

[@beeves_6925]

wtf does this mean

[@Whom_]

7:04 [now that there is only one enemy to take down, the roles get reversed] I guess you could say that *the tables have turned*... ill see myself out

[@santoroproject8753]

No depressing backstories.... NO DEPRESSING BACKSTORIES!? did you not play the game? I'm sorry but theres a literal SUI**** in this game...

[@calbum7078]

THANK YOU OH MY GOD I recently replayed this game and absolutely fell in love with it and I was worried I would be alone in absolutely loving this game

[@Yukinari2007]

Whenever Tanabe opens his mouth im reminded of Izuka saying Sonic Forces is a step forward and Adventure is a step back. Also Shadow isnt allowed to be friends with Rogue and Omega anymore. Also Mighty and Ray arent allowed outside of Mania cause reasons. Origami King reeks of the stifled creativity that plagues so many other IPs and shows how out of touch directors are.

[@prismaticseal2553]

Yep agreed

[@QueenslayerSora]

You thought about Izuka-chan too I thought I was the only one

[@rodrigomorales563]

Let's not start comparing people to izuka, alright? As far as I know, this is just the one stupid thing, compared to the billion things izuka's said. I know that's an over exaggeration, but izuka really pisses me off sometimes.

[@QueenslayerSora]

@@rodrigomorales563 it's okay man he pisses all of us sonic fans off

[@carlbloke8797]

Indeed. Paper mario really does share alot of paralells with Modern Sonic nowadays.

[@ValiantSpear]

I absolutely loved this game. I got attached to all the characters and the gameplay was pretty ok. I also like how it kinda shows a message of how the developers tried their best to cater to us within their limits. The limits for this is still confusing to me, as Mario and Luigi didn’t need them and look at how good they were

[@flarky6465]

"Give us a flying segment with Flygons" overlooked line

[@CheeseBlaster]

Nintendo is like a genie. You gotta be extremely specific while asking for something. We wanted a turn based RPG, we got a *turn based* .....RPG, I guess?

[@jumpyman9754]

Looks like this genie is not working because I have told him to respect fans and he say all this awful shit in December

[@cadmiarjw]

Sticker star and Colour splash *Are GOOD*

[@matthewhall3020]

i would die for olivia. her cracking up at mario in the oversized goomba helmet was one of the cutest things in my recent video game history

[@jamesnelson6342]

My favorite part of this entire video is how he completely forgot to mention the 1000 fold arms

[@sleepyeyedplumber]

Got the game for Christmas thanks to my kid brother. As someone who considers Thousand Year Door as one of my favorite Mario games ever, I ended up enjoying Origami King more than I thought I would. Although I never played Sticker Star or Color Splash (but I heard I'm not missing much), I'm absolutely okay with what the game offers with solid, more accessible gameplay, fun bosses, great deal of exploration, cute and witty writing, and fantastic art direction and MUSIC. Oh man, I agree this is arguably of Mario's best soundtrack in a while with Autumn Mountain, the Vellumental battle theme, Disco Devil, Fanged Fastener, and Thrills At Night being my favorites! Would I like to see a return to form with the next game? Absolutely, but I doubt Nintendo will ever do so. They do have something going with the ring system though, so if they can refine it and add more strategy and things to do, I think it'll be great. The game gets a remarkably solid 8/10 from me.

[@TheAmazingRaptor]

Same

[@dragonbornexpress5650]

Turns out they went crawling back to Thousand Year Door.

[@joeywomer]

Did anyone else's heart just melt when seeing Olivia petting the Chain Chomp?

[@nt45dev]

For the fans of the original 2 Paper Mario games, Bug Fables: The Everlasting Sapling is an excellent love letter to them. It has action command fueled turn based battle systems. The character development is really in depth throughout the entire game. One of the best things about Bug Fables is the special moves and abilities you gain throughout the story. When you learn a move in the field, you are able to take it directly into battle with action commands controlling how the attack goes. It even brings back team attacks like Superstar Saga had. Enough said about that. If you enjoyed the first 2 Paper Mario games, Bug Fables is for you.

[@retrofan4963]

That's why it's best to boycott Origami King for Bug Fables.

[@marcelosousagoncalves4636]

There are two other partners you missed. They are in the autumn mountain. They are from the part where you have to bring the sombrero guy his friends for a canned food party. The spike and the skull goomba. If your set on progressing though, you probably won’t get the chance to fight with them. Still a nice touch.

[@johndelkab2111]

It’s great seeing you explain why it’s the gameplay is great to some of us. Too many people are stuck up about exp and miss the entire point.

[@wsd7814]

The entrance to Toad Town looks like the entrance to Goomba Town from Paper Mario 64

[@awesomeguy2009]

I think Bowser being the final boss in Colour Splash is fine. He just wanted to have a rainbow shell and play with the Toads but, got possessed by the Black Paint.

[@Shadex_Joestar]

If the Black Paint was a standalone villain,they could've called it "Black Pain" Get it?

[@Wyattmo]

13:47 There was also fan service for super paper mario cuz of the picture next to it with peach and the square clouds.

[@wobblewokgaming655]

An idea for a future Paper Mario game: for the previous games, we've done stickers, paint, and origami, but yet they haven't done anything with drawings. May I present to you: Paper Mario Spectacular Sketches! And besides, why not? You could have a character just be a blank piece of paper that could have memory loss, and the more of the bosses you beat, the more of the line art and colors in his body return. And the way that character's designed could also be different. Like have him look more like a doodle on paper that was cut out.

[@almondjoy4938]

That sounds like a brilliant idea! If they go with this idea,I hope that the main villains are a group of snobbish sketch paper representing various art styles like Gothic, Manga, and Doodles.

[@wobblewokgaming655]

@@almondjoy4938 maybe even comic book style stuff? Just imagine a super cocky superhero as one of the bosses.

[@almondjoy4938]

@@wobblewokgaming655 It's ideas like yours that makes me want the developers to continue to utilize the Paper theme.It adds a lot of potential for wacky and fun ideas.

[@wobblewokgaming655]

@@almondjoy4938 Thanks. I got the superhero boss from Kamoshidaman from Persona Q2.

[@pczb2692]

Whatever people's take are on this game, you have to admit the soundtrack is filled to the brim with absolute _bangers_ ! Edit: If we get another Paper Mario game, I _REALLY_ want them to have clay as the central theme. It's not paper, but it is an arts and crafts thing, and I'd be so happy to see what they'd come up with. Spoiler. And I didn't think I'd miss the presence of an otherwise unremarkable Bob-omb. RIP Bobby 2020-2020

[@Hecilo]

Or we'll get a Mashup of the last Yoshi games with Paper Mario.

[@firesnakex8]

I just want them to get back to the story book style they originally had

[@tan_nerd07]

yeah, this would totally work! I can't remember what it's called, but ya know the sequel to Canvas curse that came out on the Wii U? it looked beautiful!

[@Mojo1356]

@@firesnakex8 I think that ship has sailed already.

[@FakestLoogi]

From now on everytime someone mentions how good the ost is, I'll never forget that arguement in Spectacular Finale

[@ArcNeoMasato]

A, I REALLY want to play this game, it looks great! B, I've never gotten too upset over weird things in interviews like that, because after studying some Japanese, I'm aware of just how.... insanely different from English Japanese is, so a LOT of ideas don't translate over well, especially on rushed interview translations.

[@rodrigovelarde3197]

The battle system got old really quickly for me, except for the boss battles, which I loved. Fortunately there is no real punishment for skipping battles and I still had a butt load of coins, so it wasn’t a dealbreaker and I still enjoyed the game quite a lot. Still, hearing about those interviews and knowing there will never be a true return to form is really disappointing.

[@juanmanikings]

Lol idiotic comment the game is great you are just salty

[@colonofrancesco]

13:36 Please... don’t remind me, it still hurts...

[@TheXtremeBoltGuy]

IT'S. NOT. DEAD! :D

[@Bryce_the_Woomy_Boi]

Good news!

[@BugsyFoga]

I gotta say , its nice to know Oragami King was getting much more of a positive reception than the other recent entries.

[@garretdrake2347]

origami king is somehow worse than color splash

[@deadmeme3525]

Garett Drake get out

[@venor2612]

@@garretdrake2347 get out

[@markbuhring1749]

@@garretdrake2347 OUT! just get out of here

[@zjzr08]

Curious, but why do you like that's it's getting a more positive reception, if you don't have a stake on it?

[@AntforceYT]

Next Paper Mario is Ripping Riot! Let’s tear into trouble. And that’s a wrap!

[@TheDarkraiDimension491]

That’s too many puns. STOP.

[@doo_lissdu_lighost6133]

Very Tear-ible puns.

[@foxbread3714]

I think it's really impressive that they made The Origami King so good even with their arm tied behind their back with the restrictions. And with the limits the have, I'm glad they didn't just use all folded Goombas and Koopas for the enemies, and instead braught back older Mario enemies like Sidesteppers, Scutlebugs and those crow things. I feel like they really did their best with what they could do with this one. And my ranking of the Paper Mario games is: 5. Sticker Star 4. Colour Splash 3. Super 2. 64 AND The Origami King tied 1. The Thousand Year Door

[@samuelrobertson3767]

I came into this game without any prior knowledge and I was very happy with the game. I feel like thats the best way to go into these games

[@thatonecrazymarshmallow4001]

Also, Antdude forgot to mention. Beware: If you are going for %100, these are things you might experience.... .Crazy RNG .Insane amounts of retrying .searching for one thing for hours .Controller smashing And... the worst thing in existence..... .Perfect score on Shy Guy's finish last I still love the game but.... I experienced all of these, so be careful

[@TheAlmightyWizardToad]

wait, where was the rng?

[@thatonecrazymarshmallow4001]

@@TheAlmightyWizardToad The legendary feesh

[@joshnunya324]

The ending made me cry I can't be the only one

[@mental263]

It was very heartwarming and the soundtrack is amazing

[@tarponpet]

I bawled.

[@northwindkey]

"This franchise is not an RPG one anymore" Then why did it keep using RPG ideas like turn-based battles? If you want to be action-adventure, like a Zelda or Metroid game, don't bother with turn-based battles and attempts at convincing us it's an RPG. Nintendo literally tried to advertise SS as a return to roots after SPM, only for it to be even less of an RPG since SPM at least had EXP.

[@MySnugglePuppy]

Okay, but Origami King never advertised itself as an RPG.

[@cynicalip]

0:42 So the Caddycarus Cinematic Universe is shared with the AntDude Universe? Oh, boi, i cant wait to discover more

[@jameslawrenson1208]

I actually shed a tear during THAT scene with one of the partners.

[@adventuregamingkidd]

I like how antdude is talking about Paper Mario the Origami King but he forgot to talk about the Super Smash Brothers Origami King spirits that released today and great video antdude 😎

[@johndelkab2111]

Great video It gets annoying seeing people waste their videos on mentioning Tanabe, whether they like the gameplay and call it a day. The game has so much more to talk about.

[@IronBlaze77]

I thought this was an Arlo video, seeing as his first impressions had him enjoying it, but this is great too.

[@firstmategiddy]

He seems to dislike it now.

[@TinyPrinceGames]

This is better than Arlo

[@newairnation6280]

Based on his tweets, Arlo doesn't seem to be a fan of it anymore.

[@TinyPrinceGames]

@@newairnation6280 Genuine question for people who like him, is he a fan of anything? He seriously seems like the epitome of the toxic Nintendo gamer.

[@lucatriunfo8023]

@@TinyPrinceGames "This man does not enjoy a game that I like therefore he is toxic"

[@burbusburbus8782]

Since ttyd is getting a remake, i might as well get it out of the way Origami king would have been much more appreciated if it was outside of the paper mario franchise

[@Equ3strianGam3r]

I'm playing this now and really having a good time. I'm constantly finding myself laughing at the characters and I love the new character Olivia as a partner. Right now I'm on my way to destroy the blue streamer in Shogun Studio and I'm pretty sure I'm just about there. I really like trying to find all of the Toads and things though there are some that I've missed along the way so I will have to go back and look again later. I did grow up playing the Paper Mario series but I've never gotten to play Sticker Star or Color Splash because I didn't have those consoles. However I highly recommend this one if you can go in with an open mind and just be ready to have a good time.

[@krealyesitisbeta5642]

No depressing backstories? A certain Bob-omb would like to have a word with you.

[@VeryMaryBerri]

I see the Paper Mario universe in 2 ways The first 3 games take place in the real world and it's mario telling us a story of an adventure he went on The latest 3 games is a whole new universe made of arts and crafts While paper jam is both universes colliding Also we must protect the following characters Bleck Bobby Huey Vivian

[@eluisific3255]

Each chapter just got better, exept for the green streamer, it was still good, but you can’t beat the blue streamer I loved that soooo much

[@chanimalice3874]

I really enjoyed Origami King. I had no idea it was divisive until fairly recently

[@cartoongamermatt9077]

Honestly this game looks really fun. If they made a sequel with the same battle system and added in experience points from battles I think the system would be perfect. That perfect combination of strategic puzzle solving and satisfying constant level progression.

[@amarillodragon2702]

As someone who never manage to beat a paper mario game till "The Origami King" (mostly with it due to me being very young and not smart enough to understand how action adventure games work), This game wad a overall *joy* to play from beginning to end! Sure there were some cons to it, but those surely get outweigh by the pros! The combat, I really like it, sure there were some certain frustrating segments, but again, the jou overweighs the sorrows. So yeah, I overall had a good time. P.S. I've only ever played 2 other Paper Marios in the series, and as I said earlier, i never managed to beat them, mainsotry wise, either way those 2 are: ● Super Paper Mario (I was only able to see the rest of the game because I watched my brothers play it every chance I got) ● Paper Mario Sticker Star (I was young so I didn't know game reviews back then to know that game that I couldn't get past the 1st half of was actually trash) I think you know which is worth more my time if I do plan of fianlly beating it. Main-story-wise.

[@enderallygolem]

Can see why you couldn't beat sticker star Sticker star is honestly obtuse as heck, seriously how is sticker star meant to be beaten without a guide

[@Aiden-ng8lf]

"He can definitely make an *impact*" Those how played the game get's it.

[@gameman250]

I had it in my head that you reviewed Bug Fables: The Everlasting Sapling for some reason. Turns out that's not true.

[@deadmeme3525]

Nope, that’s arlo, honestly thought this was an arlo vid when it popped up in my notifications

[@Bebrop]

He should though! I'd love to here his thoughts on it.

[@ChadMorningWood]

I remember watching your OG paper mario lets play as a kid. I've never played it myself because I've watched the lets play at least 3 times and I basically know the game already.

[@joehayes8795]

Been playing TTYD remake and I’ve been obsessed with it. Couldn’t put it down. I’m about to the end now and decided to redownload TOK for more PM. I love the series and I loved TOK

[@AlmightyElmin]

"Give us a flying section with Flygons" I also remember the time in Super Mayonnaise Odyssey when you played as Flygon in sand land

[@xservox]

This game is what caused me to stop paying attention to gaming media entirely. Whining and blowing shit waaaaaaay out of proportion has got to stop. These are video games. They are for fun, and guess what, they are not required to live. I know, shocker. That said, this game was way more charming than anticipated. I enjoyed it. I don't feel like I need to play it all the way through a second time, and that is fine. I do feel like it was a tad too long, and that is fine too

[@M64bros]

Glad I'm not the only one that thinks the same thing as well!

[@oomi9030]

0:42 But didn’t you hear? The bricks are gone! And they stole Caddy’s wallet!

[@yo1214]

Kensuke Tanabe did also made metriod prime federation force. and also stated to Chibi-Robo fans that if Chibi-Robo zip lash does not get much recognition or sales, it may be the last game in the franchise.

[@thefrubblewarrior4678]

15:46 I don’t like how this jumped to blaming the developers and not any possible higher ups.

[@jacobbrown9894]

Not to go weeb, but I feel like Olly and Olivia as pun names probably work better in Japanese where-assuming they’re the same-they’d be Ori and Oribia. So it actually sounds short for Origami

[@MasterMarx]

Guys, I have a confession to make. I liked Sticker Star.

[@paalaaa]

That's fine! I like sticker star aswell. But i don't think it's great.

[@redstar6179]

Yo me to man, still didn’t like TOK though

[@deadmeme3525]

Same, in fact it was my first paper Mario, best music in the series imo jazzy as hell

[@mariouniverse9365]

@@deadmeme3525 Ha! That is relatable!

[@Kuu-n-koi2317]

@@deadmeme3525 it is my first too but I'd say my favorite music is origami king