Antiquarian and You: Darkest Dungeon Guide

[@ShuffleFM]

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[@Mitoru.]

Maybe i will finally learn why she hates Quarians.

[@ShuffleFM]

I'd pin this if I wasn't promoting thick lol

[@roihanfaiz4820]

Scientist Guy: *Finally Intoquarian*

[@Tocha_official]

We need a Proquarian in the game.

[@englebertmagentaschweiger1447]

She's that one Mass Effect player that insists Liara is better than Tali. The nerve, I tell you!

[@flaviocardoso573]

Geth genocide

[@defaultv.7959]

I like that you included a gif of each skill in action.

[@ShuffleFM]

That was Thick's idea. It took a bit of effort but it's nice to know it was appreciated.

[@RanVor]

I love how the Anti's trinkets are some of the best in the game in terms of pure numbers and yet they're completely wasted on her crappy base stats. I mean, the Carapace Idol is literally the Barristan's Head with no downsides. The Candle of Life with +50% healing skills? Vestal would kill for that.

[@ShiroiTenken]

This class in general is one of my favourite as far as making sense of the numbers character-wise. Why are her stats so bad? Well, she's a flippin antiquarian, tf are you expecting. Why are her trinkets so strong? She's an antiquarian, trinkets are what she *does*

[@Pigga-k8k]

⁠@@ShiroiTenkenyour point makes too much sense man, it is irrefutable

[@KKlawm]

I don't know if you mentioned it but Antiquarian is a necessary part of the most broken strategy in the game that can effortlessly defeat the hardest boss in the game, the Countess. You bring 2 antiquarians, a man-at-arms, one or two cosmic dust to refresh the man at arms ability and a crusader for stress and normal heals. Antiquarians are on full time invigorating vapor duties. That alone is 60 dodge to your entire party. You wear dodge trinkets for a total of 30 more dodge up to 90. You can get your crusaders dodge to 30 with a dodge quirk, making 120 dodge. You get the man-at-arms to hit Bolster as many times as you need to cap dodge against the abilities. There you go, any difficult boss instantly made trivial with antiquarian. Doesn't work on undodgable attacks or timed events since you're doing next to no damage. Normal combat is kind of weird because you want to do recovery while there's 3+ monsters on board so you don't time out using too many recovery actions. Also bring mods that speed up combat. Combat is slow. But it's singly handed the most broken mechanic in the game. I think there's a 5% chance a monster will hit regardless of dodge (not sure) but to put it into context that's 1 in 20 times an attack occurs, it will land. Also normal monsters don't have nearly as much accuracy as the countess so you don't need any cosmic shard shenanigans against normal mobs. You definitely mentioned dodge but because dodge scales linearly, the effect each additional point of dodge exponentially increased the damage mitigation you receive. And unlike gimped stats like prot, this includes mitigation of dots and stress.

[@ShuffleFM]

I avoid boss specific spoilers in these guides because of the new players who watch them, but dodge spam is a good strat for countess. I think heavy boots + guarding leper to avoid love letter is the better strat now though, it's very consistent and gets set up on turn 1. Plus it ends the fight faster.

[@ussfriendship8989]

i got baffeld at the end when you camped but still had the loot window open, i didnt know that was possible

[@Duchess_Van_Hoof]

The Antiquarian might be my favourite of the official classes. A very diverse and varied skill set, some wonderful camping skills, a distinct look, a good story that is reflected in her equipment and her mechanics, and a unique out of combat ability that is frankly a bit too amazing. Not to mention a key, I like having a free key. Can never go wrong with the key. Partially related, the Buried is by far my favourite class if you include modded classes. It is similar in how well designed and how well the mechanics reflects the lore and personality of the character. I can strongly recommend it.

[@burrito4332]

I have to say that even now on a third playthrough I struggle to appreciate the value of her camp skills aside from resupply and scourge. The stress reduction skill is just for her, less exploitable when you know how to avoid and manage stress in-fight, and the buff resist one is just for one unit as well, roughly equivalent to using holy water. Sure it's cheap, but maybe not as economic keeping in mind you have 3 other units to camp skill with.

[@Lord_Alimdor]

Worst class in the game lol

[@GeraltofRivia22]

Tried the Buried a while ago, for some reason that mod blocked Shieldbreaker nightmares from triggering at all.

[@wideout7838]

What mod are u using to get extra classes?

[@AamiraGehenna]

At last one of my favourite characters, the capitalist drug lord babushka

[@warhax4418]

Alternative title: Stonks and You

[@zepedrocarvalho3328]

She makes the siren fight so much easier :b

[@Tocha_official]

Does her flashpowder affect the Siren's Song though?

[@zepedrocarvalho3328]

@@Tocha_official She is the siren target most of the time that's why you take her there. She allows your team to rush down the siren without concern because the anti moves aren't threatening to your party

[@andreumut7198]

That was nerfed a few patches ago, she is no longer a priority due to her low debuff resistance, since now it's bypassed by a fixed fail chance on her mind control skill. Anyway I whould argue that she is indeed usefull there just by the 25%additional chance to mind control to wiff

[@zepedrocarvalho3328]

@@andreumut7198 I had no idea they fixed that, thanks for the heads up

[@auro637]

@@andreumut7198 They changed it so that the charm itself is a fixed chance (70%) but the siren still prefers to target the hero with the lowest debuff resistance. I recently started a new save file and all my siren fights, she always targets the antiquarian first and the person with the second lowest debuff resist for charm #2 and then switches between the two.

[@rawrdino7046]

I got this game for 13 dollers along with dlc for steam playing it for the first time and I'm addicted thank you for this guide

[@GaleCrystal]

One strange quirk about the Antiques you can find with her is that.. Common Antiques are worth more than the Rare Antiques. Common Antiques, worth 500 gold each and stack to 20. So a full stack is worth 10k, and you're more likely to find them. Rare Antiques, worth 1250 each and stack to 5. So a full stack is worth 6k and you're less likely to find them. The exact ratio is 1:6. When you consider that Antiques are generated whenever she interacts with literally all lootable curios, plus any battle she just exists in. The game pretty much vomits Common Antiques at you.

[@yeoldedude7464]

Double antiquarian + MAA + Crusader/Flaggelant is my team to go at hier levels. Dodges everything 80% of the time with right sets of trinkets

[@legoyoda645]

Could you say what the trinkets you use are?

[@slushisimcambi2521]

Nice vid! Antiquarian is the star of my cove teams, she handles everything they throw at you in that region very nicely. I pair her with PD in rank three, Occultist, plus any front liner (Crusader, Abom, Shield Breaker). It’s very effective and she is arguably more useful at base than other heroes in that region.

[@kirtneosalazar2807]

This video is so helpful. No more poor phase in the next quest.

[@BotSupportIronValiant]

Antiquarian may be bottom tier in-game, but she's top tier in my heart. Dodge for days baby, dodge for days.

[@Tocha_official]

Even if Antiquarian only has Invigorating Vapour and Flashpowder, I will still use her. Those skills are OP. Seeing Ghouls, Giants, or Swinetaurs miss all the time is somewhat satisfying. But then again, in a torchless run, they are not as useful.

[@quinnlee-miller9792]

Best quirk for Antiquarian is Steady; I love using the same Anti back to back on missions for that sweet money, so she naturally racks up a hefty amount of stress. However, when she reaches above 50ish, you can pop a stress reducing trinket on her (up to Book of Sanity and no more, stress reduction is capped at 80%) and she becomes your stress magnet, in addition to her other benefits. You can do that easily without Steady, but it means you can put lower tier trinkets on her so that SB can use Aria Box or something. It also helps facilitate Protect Me spam as enemies will target her to maie her fuckin flip. Edit: I meant to include Curious Incantations in this strategy; that's the corner stone

[@Numan_Ozakcil..]

I really appreciate you man, antiquarian is an absolute beast with those buffs and even in any room fight she can decreases enemies accuracy greatly with flashpowder

[@malcontent1119]

I was in desperate need of money so this'll be the only character guide I'm going to allow myself to watch. Great content!

[@abismoshing]

Great to see some Antiquarian love. Always wanted to know how to play her without being super nervous during the whole mission.

[@philipjorgensen2628]

Note that, with just the hard skin quirk, her uncommon trinket, and either defender's ring or barristan's head, you can get 50-60% prot on the antiquarian WITHOUT buffs. Note that with Ancestor's scroll/Junia's head, the hippocratic quirk, and her very rare trinket, you can get 95-100% extra heals, totaling to a very consistent 8 heal. With two antiquarians on damage/buffs, you technically have all you need for a balanced team. I have successfully acquired a Tank-Aquarian, I am waiting for hippocratic on an antiquarian to get Heal-Aquarian. My goal has been set, the heart of darkness will fall.

[@Cristian-he5bk]

I'm running a VES, HWM, CRU, ANT comp with a lot of success even on long champion dungeons. You have damage, heals and even stress heals. I tried with Jester (emulating my riposte team) instead of Crusader but I usually miss holy lance, to strike the 4 rank. I like a lot this team because is very easy to build. You can take Dismas, Reynauld, the vestal of the first team and you only need to roll a anticuarian to have a money maker team for bloodmoon.

[@ShuffleFM]

Love to see the rank 1 anti

[@Allodder]

I love Antiquarian. Currently experimenting with Grave Robber, and I see great synergy there. Mostly a riposte based team since grave robbers stealth makes riposte more likely to be triggered: Antiquarian, highwayman, manatarms, Grave Robber. The flagellant, AQ combo carried me to and through the darkest dungeon though

[@Cyrus_T_Laserpunch]

I've had Nervous Stab come in clutch more often than expected.

[@michaelcoffey1991]

@ShuffleFM do we have any new news with DD2 Yet? Also thank you for continuing to review the heroes the base game heroes and even those new ones for the PC game. For going over runs and options to have new groups. You continue to help make DD fun and have the wife and I look at the game in a different way time an time again. We are here til you tire of it :)

[@ShuffleFM]

[@michaelcoffey1991]

@@ShuffleFM Whelp the waiting game continues :) Thanks for the reply.

[@ncjxbshj]

I developed a sentimental attachement to my Abtiquarian after my fight with the Siren boss. Was still an inexperienced player, went in blind with Anti in rank 4. Siren enchanted her 2 or 3 times throughout the fight, pulling her to the enemy's side. Pretty much all my Anti did was casting Protect Me over and over. 0 problems from her, won the battle easily.

[@jennyperpa5302]

Thank you for this guide! I just got her to leave six for the first time.

[@kamilslup7743]

Mini exploit: there is a town event called "experienced recruit for hire" where you can get an antiquarian with 5 very helpful positive quirks. One of those quirks is "Twilight Dreamer" which allows the character to bypass stealth, but only one hero can have it. However, if you already have a character with that quirk, you have multiple characters with Twilight Dreamer. The problem? Recruiting that antiquarian costs 20 comet shards.

[@od1401]

The antiquarian protect me plus riposte synergy is kick ass, that alone makes up for her lack of damage to a large degree while improving the survivability of the party. I would say pairing her up with a HWM or MAA or houndmaster makes her really good. The dodge move is great, she can de stealth which is not to be underestimated (and debuff accuracy at the same time), and can last hit mobs and gets you loads of gold. Lastly she can also heal which if nothing else takes people off death's door Her trinkets are good too For a character that is supposed to be weaker than every other character to balance the gold income, in the right scenarios she kicks ass. Not sure I'd take her on boss runs, but in some cases I might

[@doublecrossedswine112]

AntiQ, GR, HM, Crusader. I do well with this group for non boss dungeons. Everyone has a dance move. 2 healers. A stun. Riposte. And lunge can be buffed with festering vapors. Lots of options and its pretty fun. I'm inexperienced so if this isn't good feel free to crap on me.

[@ShuffleFM]

There are lots of team combos out there. It's only bad if it can't win, so if it clears missions without a ton of afflictions or death's door checks then it's fine :)

[@doublecrossedswine112]

@@ShuffleFM nevermind that. That team was doing well cuz the enemies were easy. It actually got smashed when the big boys came out to play. Yikes this game is hard. I'm off to start a new game. This time I'm going to try to stick with arbs, PD, Occ, Hound, and hellions. With a maa or two for bosses and antiQ for gold runs. Maybe keep a jester and leper in my back pocket too.

[@turntapeover5749]

The thing with antiquarian isn't that she is horrible but she needs very specific team mates to make her shine. Character with already high dodge so her dodge buff is actually impactful, Highwayman is almost mandatory for her own DPS as she doubles up on the riposte (alternatively a man at arm's although the riposte of highwayman is more powerful), you can boost her heal to be somewhat an ok back up healer. Usually I bring her with a Graverobber, Highwayman and Occultist. In the end, they're not bad but it's probably the most gimmicky class in the game.

[@jonthenamelessproject99]

My Antiquarian died on the way to the first Siren Fight, still won the fight though with Leper, Vestal and Plague Doctor so now I’m here to learn more about Anti, I already knew how to use her to get money, I got 20k gold the other day but the synergies here will definitely be of help

[@iBloodxHunter]

Crazy if she survived to the Siren boss she would have made it so easy.

[@danielchin4198]

Getting florin early is insane when you have Anti early. Still cant believe you get 4 speed with 0 downside. I also like my MAA to be speedy, so that round 1 double dodge is spicy. The collection is my favourite team to run with her, albeit, rubbish damage output at times.

[@heresit]

I keep 5 antiquarium in my roster and she's part of my strongest team setup that i use to go in dd4 blind and part of my first champion dungeon team, she's definitely underrated in everything except for dark run where she become abit less good but still great.

[@gabem5484]

I just started using her yesterday and my god was I stupid not to before, bring her into any non-boss dungeon now, sometimes even two, and she's not bad offensively since she can attack rank 3 and 4, perfect time to post this video, it's going to teach me how to use her better. p.s love the vids man, keep it up proud of you

[@safespace4680]

She works extremely well for the siren as well, since her low debuff resist makes her a high priority target for the mind control attack.

[@gabem5484]

didn't even think of that, put her in the front and suffer practically zero damage, smart as hell

[@ExtraRaven_]

these are some good mouth sounds for listening to in the background thank you very much

[@NovaGirl8]

Bleed out advice helped me vs Baron last night. Had a Vestal Jester Highwayman (or Shieldbreaker, my memory escapes me) Hellion team. I actually forgot to equip one more trinket on Hellion and stumbled upon a common Bleed trinket (10% bleed) that may or may not helped with the bleed. Holy crap was that fight a slog. Did not help that my Vestal was already afflicted before we went in and I could not camp because they kept touching EVERY SINGLE winemaker's reserve along the way as well as EVERY SINGLE stressing item to boot.

[@paulberry5750]

Antiquarian with Dismas's Head & another damage trinket commits surprisingly effective carnage.

[@PRO100SashaX]

"Thick veiny sausage is VERY BIG on Antiquarian"

[@od1401]

That scoundrels team is amazing

[@benismann]

Funny how anti sometimes feels more "efficient" in combat since u usually use her attacks to finish off enemies at already low hp, and it just feels better to throw a 5-8 attack into like 4 hp enemy instead of a full blown 8-15 or something

[@whyisdiscostevetaken]

you can tell a lot about a player based on their reaction to the antiquarian a lot of scrubs act like it's playing a 3 player team in exchange for more treasure, and that couldn't be further from the truth

[@qFamop]

honestly i did try Antiquarian only for the Money making at first, but I ended up enjoying her kit way more than i expected. Also on 3rd run she gave me a Legendary Bracer from camp which was surprising

[@whyisdiscostevetaken]

@@qFamop doing a blight comp for ruins/cove? she's an excellent frontline blighter if you haven't gotten non-eucludian hilt yet doing a dodge comp? just spam invigorating vapors, no one can hit you after 3 or so turns working with riposte and/or low-health flagellant? protect me will double the hits on your riposters or flagellant vestal destressing but you're not confident with your available healers? slot her in for a buff, even her little heal raises bleed resist and can make occultist a little less scary to use the little heal's bleed resist also works on the flagellant's self-bleed move she's great

[@qFamop]

@@whyisdiscostevetaken i ended up with Antiq 4th, abomination 3rd vestal 2nd with idk whatsits called scroll with healing and protection for 2nd position and a Hellion in front for raw dps / 4th position hits. It is kinda slow to play but overall it felt pretty good, Especially since last 3 runs i got bamboozled by lack of healing for deaths door.

[@genericprofile2381]

Not for a fight, but for an adventure.

[@Cyrus_T_Laserpunch]

I never used Invigorating Vapours because I always thought it was single-target, it seemed so worthless because of that.

[@Drjacques]

What is the reason why you did not put a Section in your characters guide in the TEAMS section, where you clearly talk about where they can play the best with your wide experience playing this game?…wonderful video, as usual! Keep up the good work!

[@chrislatam5423]

This is the best guide so far!!! I love the teams!!

[@ericmohn4002]

the melee bandits on champion are super dangerous for front anti since they cleave the front 2 units

[@BotSupportIronValiant]

Y'know, I thought she'd be targeted like crazy by the siren, but no. Apparently I'm the anomaly. 😢 lowest debuff resist and the siren targets my graverobber instead... unless I calculated wrong? Either way, the high dodge of my Grave Robber saved me.

[@vindex7309]

Flash powder is the biggest bait move in the game. I s2g I use this thing on enemies and 75% of the time they still hit through it on dodge comps. I watch this video to see if I’m just using her wrong. No, rng just hates me xD

[@1God1Fury]

Flashpowder has only 2 turns duration unlike normal 3 turns debuffs

[@CamoflagedTumbleweed]

Lots of great info and ideas in this guide. Thanks! 🙂🥦🦖

[@mitiamed]

71 roster size wow

[@StefanSochinsky]

A couple years ago I finally did a Stygian run. I'm not even sure it's possible to do without consistently running an Antiquarian

[@ShuffleFM]

Congrats! Stygian is a tough one.

[@StefanSochinsky]

@@ShuffleFM Honestly, it went pretty smoothly up until about 50 something weeks in and I had an absolutely INFURIATING mission. I've seen and had worse results (like dead heroes and party wipes, etc), but never had one so frustrating

[@LIVE-he3mc]

Antiquarian is not our Hero anymore QQ

[@billyjoel8510]

I think the commons and Uncommons have a rusty white border and a white border respectively

[@ng.tr.s.p.1254]

You mean very common and common, because uncommon tier is green, but yeah you're right.

[@billyjoel8510]

@@ng.tr.s.p.1254 oh ? So theres common and trash common , common trash , got it

[@ng.tr.s.p.1254]

Think of it like unstackable emerald xD

[@gnlucho4633]

I really hated the antiquarian and thought it was uselesss but man highway man and man at arms with to antiquarian and riposte was broken no need to heal more than with foos bc the prot was to good and the evade help to. Prot buffs are great

[@pizzamafioso9191]

Where does it say that antiquarian earns you more money from curious? I mean I feel the effect but I don't find it anywhere where it says it. Does other characters have other passive too?

[@fmcra]

She is my favourite plus the occultist in the last missions

[@ShuffleFM]

Anti has some great use in the endgame, good choice

[@AlexanderVRadev]

I know you love flash powder and despise vapors but vapors is 400% better. Flash powder is -15 and stacks twice for -30 while vapors is +10 dodge an stacks 3 times for +30 as well, but effects the whole team not just 1. 4 is 400% more than 1. Math. ;) And yes I know what you will say - "This is true only if you spam vapors every turn. And with flash powder you can do other things like heal and activate guard and trow damage." True but if your whole team is almost never hit you don;t need to heal and you don't need guard and your team has all the time in the world to kill the enemy and stall for as long as they like to heal and stress heal and always be full HP and no stress. But hey that is just my opinion from running her every time in apprentice dungeons at levels where vapors are less effective than at end game and flash powder is supposedly better.

[@PansyTor]

I'll be the first to admit that I usually only bring anti because I feel like I need to to make money in the game. Maybe it's time I start looking at her differently haha

[@jeniskindof]

I didn't know what she was for until i started hauling in mountains of money because of her

[@Mirrodin82]

Hey man I love your guides, really helpful. Can you do something similar with Iratus? That would be cool - anyways, keep up the good work, cheers :)

[@ShuffleFM]

I would love to do some Iratus content. Hopefully soon

[@CatVisionTM]

You can’t scuff the Shuff

[@lukeyilonen]

How to install your fog machine

[@biancalages1431]

43:13 And the man of the Shuffle heard the words of the prophet, and there was much rejoicing

[@xiaowei1374]

a man named thick veiny sausage, and he's very big... .....................on Antiquarian.

[@cjfox2311]

I was struggling with money, but now I’m over 100k. Maybe this guide was on to something.

[@pavisepavisnt]

I'll always have a place in my heart for my money-making waifu. Also your E-Girl anti made me cackle 😂😂

[@fortheloveofking]

Would it be wise to bring a COM Antiquarian to the Endless Harvest? If they take 10% of shards, does that mean you can use her for a 5% bonus? Obviously it'd be pointless if you had a lvl 6 Antiquarian of your own and I can't imagine taking TWO of them.

[@ShuffleFM]

Anti actually does pretty well there. The 2 best archetypes for endless are jestal and dodge, which Anti helps for the latter. She can also get extra provisions which is incredibly helpful. Thick took 4 antiquarians to ~5k kills, so don't sleep on her :)

[@fortheloveofking]

@@ShuffleFM Yeah, I actually watched that right after I posted this. I tried it after that with 2 of them, a riposting hwm and a crusader, but that wasn't a very good idea because I couldn't get my dodge high enough to make up for a lack of healer so I backed out pretty quick.

[@cheekychan8494]

I have noticed one of your jesters name was Turili... is that Luca Turilli reference? If so kudos to you.

[@ShuffleFM]

It is :)

[@cheekychan8494]

@@ShuffleFM Thats awesome man good taste :)

[@thomrik]

My problem with the combat upsides to Antiquarian is that they are centered around "she is so bad you wont feel bad about wasting her stuff" The trinket swap stuff, for example. You could do it with ANY character, but other characters have proper good trinkets that make so much of a difference that you cant afford not to bring them. Same with setting up Man at Arms. You could save him a turn by using her prot ability, or you could use the action economy to just kill someone or set something else up. Dont get me wrong, i think the Antiquarian is the mos overlooked mid game character. The amount of gold she brings in makes her the character i want to see the most on my roster, but her combat upsides oftenly sound like coping

[@dodang_9147]

well, she's either worst character or strongest character. in dd1, its easier to kill-rush enemies when damage is super high in most cases than it is stall high threats and she specialize in stalling which is really worthless in most cases since most of the time, just adding more healing is smarter way to stall and most of stalling in this game stunned based because stuns are higher tempo than raising dodge. this put dodge as weird mechanic in the game because it makes healing "more effective" the more dodge you have as the more time passes, less time you get hit, so healing sticks more. strong aspect of her is that on lower difficulty like radiant, even though you can win the game in 1000 weeks or 100 weeks, playing her really reduces farming and grinding of the game by a lot. on higher difficulty, there is time limit and extra resources are really important to optimizing your weeks. The team I liked running with her was Antiquarian, Vestal, Highwayman, Manatarms. its more simple composition to play than shuffle comp riposte comp. manatarm just puts bolster on turn 1 and than spams crush or rampant for rest of turns highwayman uses duelist advance than spams wicked slice for rest of the turns vestal stuns on turn 1, group heal on rest of the turns Antiquarian puts protect me on highwayman, spams invigorating vapor on rest of the turns. you'll make tons of money, always be at full health by end of the fight and you have 1-3 rank reach on enemy squad. just be careful of stress.

[@jesterscircus.3490]

I only use her to grind for gold. That’s it

[@iuric.528]

Ah yes, the traitor

[@davidtagauri2034]

This guy really made a 1 hour video on the most useless hero... marks for dedication

[@dwreanchinotan]

that intro, reposte with mark, the two people next to him get mutilated. in the next game, MARK means MARK

[@lawrencetorrance7051]

Why does she dislike quarians?

[@ShuffleFM]

The real question

[@__RobertM__]

71 heroes? how?

[@ShuffleFM]

Roster increase mod :)

[@__RobertM__]

@@ShuffleFM hahh :D beautiful!

[@hans935]

Spam Get down

[@viewyevening8719]

How is this 1 hour long and all useful

[@Juliett-A]

Guide to Antiquarian: Mod her so that she's useful.

[@ShuffleFM]

If they follow the advice in this guide she can be pretty useful without mods 😉

[@SlimKognito11]

Cicero!!!