Anvil Paladin Size Comparison | Redeemer Nerfed For This?

[@il2csichannel298]

They want to sell ships and They manipulate ships stats to sell the new models.

[@marcuswynn89]

Yes they do and it’s very obvious

[@Shiggy117]

I disagree, I think redeemer is supposed to be lighter and more nimble and will be used to slip in and out of contested space to drop off a small bunch of troops which was its intended purpose and the paladin is supposed to be more bulkier to stand and fight

[@doodle548]

Redeemer is still good, the paladin is very obviously going to be slower, and less nimble, that’s why the side turrets should be manned, the redeemer almost certainly will be faster, and nimbler, it doesn’t replace the redeemer

[@Frank-costanza]

Don't worry, the paladin will be nerfed too.

[@warren3174]

YoU dOnT u ndeRstAnd hOw DevelOpMenT wOrKS 😂😂😂

[@Astelch]

they allow pilots to use those s4s today when it comes out they gonna go back to the original idea of making this need 4 players to crew. If i need 4 players to crew i might as well be in a perseus.

[@Vioblight]

I like this ship a lot. I love face to face brawling. It holds a shield and sword at the front, with a vulnerable back. What makes me not want it is the QT fuel and the lack of SCU cargo space… hell 4scu of cargo would be nice..

[@marcuswynn89]

I think it was really meant to replace the redeemer but currently there are no other multi crew ships with this kind of fire power

[@soulsii5322]

You will find a lot of likeness as that way in reality they can grab parts and fix up one or the other. CIG have confirmed and changed the writing that pilot will be controlling the side turrets unless operated. I do believe it is to calm the outcry but I would love to have seen sale figures before and after the correction.

[@marcuswynn89]

I think if you’re interested in this ship wait until it’s committed for a patch and see if the features hold up

[@soulsii5322]

@ will always agree with that. I’m a ccu chainer anyway so I pick up the ccu as it will inevitably get a price increase anyway haha

[@ErektPigeon]

Great coverage as always

[@marcuswynn89]

Thank you?

[@ErektPigeon]

@ you’re welcome :)

[@marcuswynn89]

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[@ErektPigeon]

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[@DerpMcDerp101]

Grimey. The Corsair is responsible for most of the kills because of its price point. It was the best value per firepower. Which also explains the uproar because those people now need to dish out more cash if they dont want to earn the ship in game to get a higher fire power ship unless they grab a Taurus but the Taurus is a much larger ship with a much larger cross section.

[@HaveYouSeenJeff]

I don't think they should make a cargo variant of the Paladin because that's specifically what the Valkyrie already is. Same brand, same size, same role and performance capabilities makes it a very redundant ship. If anything, I'd rather see more variants of the Valkyrie, like a medivac version or tractor beam tow truck, and have the Paladin act as a direct competitor with the Redeemer as a specialized combat ship.

[@marcuswynn89]

A medivac version of the Valkyrie would also be redundant is since the terrapin medic exists

[@GreatWolfBalistic]

​@@marcuswynn89 the terrapin is not a great example due the size and role

[@pc1974qld]

a boarding capsule would be great to fit in the rear gap, could attach to the hull of an enemy ship via electromagnetic feet on the capsule

[@warren3174]

yeah how hard would it be to have ARGO make a tube you can buy that allows ship to ship docking , even if its just manual docking. We would all make our own Legionnaire hacking gameplay lol

[@EDS_Kepler]

Redeemer needs a rework. Make his main turrets remote with size 5 and used by 2 existing seats. Remove tail turret and make it into PDC. Remove front turret and change place of main buttom turret for better coverage and so IT WOULD NOT COLLIDE WITH THE GROUND when landing Put 2 extra guns on wings so pilot would have 4 size 3 or size 4 Put 3 beds on second floor and dropseats in first (4-6 of them). In the end we would have a 3-man ship (where everyone can do something substantial) with 6 dropseats that can work as "Spec Ops" transport with heavy fire support or patrol/convoy. No buggy turrets, defence against fighters and missiles, small crew. I would buy it back if they reworked it like that

[@Marlax-101]

Armor vs hp is different. Pistol vs a tank does no damage. Right now pistol does kill a tank. Increasing the HP doesn't replace the armor it makes the pistol take longer to kill the tank. Now depending on how they balance out the lasers vs armor maybe it's the same but we don't really know yet. I have taken some guns in game right now and shot the hulls to see how many rounds it takes to get through the outer layer but no idea how they would translate. Like a size 4 balistics cannon hitting the same spot broke through in 2 shots. Size 3 balistics repeater was like 3 or 4 shots and made a smaller hole. Who knows at this point.

[@marcuswynn89]

It’s all just numbers bro

[@Marlax-101]

@@marcuswynn89 i suppose tech the whole universe is numbers even in real life. math the universal language.

[@lystic9392]

6:00 Well, there is a reason... IF as I suspect, size 5 will be pretty slow to turn and therefore not very useful against fighters. Pure speculation, but I'm suspecting the Redeemer will be more anti-fighter focused and the Paladin more anti-medium/large focused. And I bet the Redeermer will be more agile especially strafing in atmosphere (using the engines) and the Paladin more armored. And I also predict that armor on anything above a fighter and/or a weapon size reduction of all fighters, is going to rebalance how well non-fighters in general can handle fighters. That just seems to make sense to me. That way, a fighter cannot easily take on something bigger, but it's still sort of possible to a degree and can still damage important parts. And the industry size 1's would at least make a tiny bit of sense, because they would be a bit more evenly matched in terms of firepower but not in terms of components and flight characteristics probably.

[@DarkFruitTT]

Thrusters look vtol capable, but the front doesn't have any?

[@alandab]

Many, many SC ships have built-in VTOL thrusters on their undercarriage; maybe the fronts are that way on the Paladin.

[@Marlax-101]

what i feel happened is they took the vakyrie and the vanguard and slammed them together but are trying to make some long arm styles and models for anvil so they can transition them over to the crucible down the road. one of the few reasons i could see for the odd back end of the ship since they could have used the same back end of the valyrie with the fins with a hole in the middle ect.

[@marcuswynn89]

I do feel like to it’s too wide at the beam

[@Marlax-101]

@@marcuswynn89 like flip is around and act like its a crucible and those vtol engines are basicly the crucibles sliding engines. the rail thats for the turret is probably simular tech needed for the rails for the crucibles engines if they did decide to keep that design element. They got the hangar size probably ready to go from the polaris since it can fit most fighters it seems unless they want to make it bigger. just need the repair gameplay flushed out but drones are already getting pushed for base building. i suppose tech the carrack already has a drone bay which might need an update down the road aswell so if they are slowly updating the carrack they might hit 2 birds with 1 stone between the carrack, vulcan, and crucible. actually the carrack has the drone and the repair bay so tech the carrack is sort of t1 repair perhaps.

[@chriscrane1482]

This is the gunship for me. I want to like the Redeemer, but I just dont like how it looks. I like how the Paladin looms a lot. Maybe I will grow to enjoy the Redeemer in the meantime as a loaner.

[@claytonbakke7346]

CIG have confirmed the pilot will be able to control the side turrets, the issue now is that this hurts the ship design itself. If I can get a gunner for the Quad s5 turret and the pilot on the dual twin s4's then this four person ship is now a two person ship. If you can run it with half the crew why wouldn't you bring two and double your fire power?

[@alandab]

Exactly! Which is why I believe CIG cannot be trusted to keep their word. As soon as the sales are over, CIG will go back and REMOVE the side turrets from the pilot's control, like they originally planned. Do NOT buy this ship if you plan to occasionally fly it solo!

[@justalaymangoodatthings]

if you bring four ,you can shoot in all directions, which you cant when they are pilot controlled

[@panakajack1525]

I kinda wish that you could control the deemer lower turret as the pilot

[@TaldrenDR]

Paladin is meant for attacking large ships, not fighters. Redeemer is meant for fighters and medium ships. Redeemer will be able to fly rings around the Paladin and has far better fields of fire. Paladin has a blind spot in either its top or bottom depending on where the turret is. What I don't like is the Quantum Fuel range of the Paladin is only 120 GM, where the Redeemer is 240 based on the size and quantity of Quantum Fuel Tanks. I grabbed the Paladin and the Redeemer CCU for $30. I will reevaluate after the Redeemer redo is done and/or when the Paladin is in game.

[@marcuswynn89]

The redeemer was never meant to attack fighters

[@tyabaneko]

@@marcuswynn89 From the concept art, you see the redeemer fighting cutlasses hornets and hurricanes.

[@efritz7]

Welp, we vote with our wallets. And I'd bet a lot of Paladins got bought. -.-

[@marcuswynn89]

I suspect the same thing

[@HorizoSun]

I feel it is a mini hammerhead, actually 2 of these over 1 hammerhead would be preferable

[@mattp6394]

The redeemer is going to be fast and nimble - the Paladin will be slow as wet day and heavily armoured. One is a tough head to head slugger and the other quick and deadly. With the stronger weapons the Redeemer in this context would be OP.

[@carlosfernandez7706]

@@mattp6394 if you want a fast and nimble ship with size 4 guns in a turret you have the hurricane, and it requires 1 person less to man it. Redeemer is crap

[@Marlax-101]

​@@carlosfernandez7706 your comparing a helicopter to a fighter. Be more impressed that the redeemer has way more guns, probably fuel, cargo, transporting ability, ground support firepower and can land in a similar sized space as a fighter.

[@carlosfernandez7706]

@@Marlax-101 the redeemer is a gunship without guns. They had to make place for the paladin and the redeemer was already sold so they fucked the owners and many will be so dumb to upgrade to the paladin. I'm sorry for the bluntness but if we allow them to do this without consequences they will continue.

[@marcuswynn89]

@carlosfernandez7706 they will be able to continue to do it without consequences too

[@mattp6394]

@@marcuswynn89 Doesn’t the Redeemer in its current form better reflect the original concept? Also the redeemer goes further, and does more. I am keeping it and dont reallly need the Paladin

[@Dervraka]

November - Get the latest and greatest combat gunship, tanky armor, powerful shields and FOUR massive pilot-controlled size 4 Guns and missiles. Paladin is released - Paladin instantly dominates PVE Combat ERT's and Bounties (Like the Corsair did) A month later - You naughty players are not using the Paladin as we intended! Therefore, we are making all turrets manned only.

[@Eric-un2oq]

The corsair's 4 size 5's were too much so the paladin's aren't? The paladin will get nerfed in less time than the redeemer or the corsair.

[@xinleitang-o3h]

I thought CIG just made corsair 2 size 5 not pilot controlled, this game is just not solo player friendly. We seriously need ai blade.

[@araynortassadore3056]

I like the military design of it, but I've had a Corsair since release...and I dont see myself gathering up 3 more people to come and gun. Only if its a very specific event or mission set. Just dont see myself getting much use out of it for my playtime. Definitely will be a buy in verse and not store bought.

[@georgea5991]

The Redeemer was nerfed for the TAC, not for this ship.

[@k0mm4nd3r_k3n]

Correc

[@anubitus]

The Paladin is unessesarely big.

[@SpacedOwls]

I personally don't care, I fly ships for the look, not the firepower. Redeemer is ugly and the Paladin isn't. Paladin will probably get nerfed in the future too but it doesn't matter to me

[@blackscavenger4780]

It make sence to nerfs the guns, if his role is to kill Fighters and not bigger targets. Whats more unnecessery was the nerf from the shields. This ship didnt take a punch with his 6x S2 shields nor has the energy to mentain his shields. Give the Redeemer one S3 shield back!

[@carlosfernandez7706]

Cig are going in the wrong direction, to the abyss.

[@marcuswynn89]

you could be right about that

[@ErektPigeon]

Yeah I think they digging their own grave tbh, most people don’t plays video games to be the side character (turret gunner, engineer, and so on) and I’m pretty sure over 90% of the player base is a solo player. They have done nothing but make out of touch decisions lately imo

[@carlosfernandez7706]

It's a shame, i stopped playing with master modes and all this greedy bullshitting with the nerfing of the ships to sell the new hottness is so disrespectful with the backers ...

[@marcuswynn89]

@carlosfernandez7706 master modes is going away

[@Marlax-101]

​@@ErektPigeonwell car as I can remember they were fans of battlefield ect. Lot of combat games have utility roles people do. I focus more on ground combat than space these days In SC which no one else seems to do and after doing that turrets ect are just tools to use and flying ships are just tools to use and it doesn't really matter who's it is.

[@TheAngriestGamer.]

Redeemr has 2 pilot S4s that should be made into S5s and it should have 1 S3 shield. not 6 S2s. the turrets are OK ish.. but id like to see them made into quad S4s

[@xinleitang-o3h]

I really think we have to revisit ship when AI blade is implemented. I think the ship team's goal is to nerf every meta ship. making it difficult for people to choose.

[@soliitudegaming7275]

Why are ppl so whiny about the Redeemer nerf? Theres no reason it should be the same firepower as the Paladin. Its a much smaller gunship in terms of volume. It will outmaneuver the paladin significantly. Not everything is about dps only. And the Corsair is an explorer lmao. We all knew it was way overgunned from day one, so why whine about it being nerfed? Literally from the moment it was launched everyone knew it was way too much firepower for an explorer.

[@marcuswynn89]

You must have not been playing before master modes

[@Tekjive]

Sucks that marketing is driving a lot of moves. They create a lot of their own problems. Corsair should have had it’s S5 reduced to S4, makes a lot more sense. Redeemer doesn’t, Just like Hanmerhead should all be upgraded to S5, that would make it the threat it’s supposed to be. Yet here we are, them giving tiny F7 S4 guns, marketing again. But ya I mostly agree bro. Good video.

[@dothedanmthing]

I'm passing on the paladin and staying with the Starlancer TAC.

[@marcuswynn89]

TAC has med beds

[@georgea5991]

That's the Deemer replacer, anyway.

[@DarkFruitTT]

They'll just nerf that as well 😂

[@Deimos_Eris]

whats the point of having 4 size 5 if your not able to fallow your target the redeemer got its agility double and its actually in my opinion way better now

[@adelsteiner9671]

stick with the Taurus, call it a day

[@grygaming5519]

You do know the game is fundamentally changing right? That the way people are PVPing is not going to be the same when 1.0 launches. If anything it'd be so different that once again people will be upset. Again this is a case of "I did not read what I signed up for" and I'll hound on this, if you did not read the terms of service especially the clauses that state that CIG owns all the rights to change the ship as needed...YOU yes YOU are the one at fault not CIG. You agreed once you hit that lil check box that said "I have read everything and agree". Aside the point the Redeemer went through 2-3 changes, its going to go through more changes. If you do not like it, melt it and sit on the money until something comes along or ask for a refund.

[@WildAce001]

I picked up a paladin, but i think people are a bit misguided on feeling the redeemer was a nerf. It was just bring brought more inline with its intended multi role functionality its a gun ship but also a drop ship, and its targeted role is to be faster and more agile than the Paladin, and to be fast and drop the troops in with agility and precision and provide some fire support. It doesnt need to be as heavily armed as the Paladin. The redeemer will be able to maintain engagement with smaller ships easier than the Paladin. its a bit smaller of a target too. They are not really direct competition to each other but compliment each other.

[@alandab]

BS! It was a definite nerf.

[@maxvonkrieger5043]

They nerfed the redeemer and corsair to make better sales on the upcoming ships. But that means they will do it to the new upcoming ships also next year... this should be illegal.

[@Lead1121]

Honestly it's ugly af

[@marcuswynn89]

I respect it

[@kira68200]

th Redeemer has been "nerfed" because they want these ships to be complementary, not competitors, juste like the Hammerhead and the Perseus are while being technicaly both gunboats, one is a line combat ship, a pocket battleship of sort while the other is a picket ship same here, the Redeemer is basicaly a super heavy fighter while the Paladin is a XS corvet

[@c4tze]

valkyrie sucks no airlocks