AOE2:DE | TheViper vs 4 Enhanced Extreme AI! 3rd Attempt

Here we go again! Back to basics with the approach here, let's see if it works!
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[@gmathieson95]

"I just watched myself on youtube" so that's how you get all the views

[@sleepyrowdy1826]

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[@avalanchas336]

Viper at the end of every one of these games: "I need to take one of them out completely" Viper in feudal age of the VERY NEXT game: "ok let's send four archers here, four over there, some stuff to the pockets, some pressure to flanks, a castle on this guy, a raid on the other guy......."

[@timothyembaugh7032]

Patrick i was thinking EXACTLY the same thing lol! to that end he needs obsid arrows if he is going to go mayans

[@Jacks_Suffocating_Nihilism]

Except he did take one of them completely this time.

[@AndrewTheFrank]

@@Jacks_Suffocating_Nihilism they aren't completely out until they surrender.

[@ailst]

Just wanted to say it again: this is by far the most interesting content for me to watch on your channel :)

[@amicuslawforyou6573]

Still think that the AI would be twice as good if they could just make a rule that says "archers must not attack buildings".

[@wololo10]

+1

[@iankemp2627]

"Ranged units must not attack buildings, unless there are a lot of ranged units... and they are not Mangudai... and they don't have Obsidian Arrows."

[@gosucab944]

@@iankemp2627 and are not saracens vs palisade wall

[@raifthemad]

@@iankemp2627 more like: if unit is in range > don't attack building, also: if other units in range > don't attack rams edit: watched the vid and I understand now why you don't want ai archers to attack buildings

[@Jacks_Suffocating_Nihilism]

If they like attacking buildings so much, Viper should provide the flanks with forward houses.

[@franciscofaraldodini5283]

12:43 "this is hard guys" No, it's extreme

[@sleepyrowdy1826]

#clearly a noob

[@tkzsfen]

three-four more patches and the extreme AI will be a contender for the tournament prizes :D

[@Ethopiryna]

Any chance for the Forgotten Empires DLC campaign? Most of them are changed for DE edition. We wanna see killing heroes again :D

[@Ethopiryna]

I beat the Bari campaign yesterday and it shows on steam that only 2.5% of players did it. Help us Viper to pump up those numbers!

[@theophertil4495]

@@Ethopiryna The 5th Bari scenario bugs for me. When the 20 minutes countdown ends, the naval part of the game doesn't trigger and I still have to defend Bari indefinitely...

[@Ethopiryna]

Sorry to hear that, I have done all the additional tasks and it worked normally. Had to do it couples of times again because the yellow destroyed too much of my buildings (red did not respond) but everything else worked fine.

[@theophertil4495]

@@Ethopiryna "Destroyed too much of your buildings" ? What do you mean ? Does it turn out that losing too much buldings make you lose the game without it is officially said by a "you have been defeated" ?

[@Ethopiryna]

That means I could not produce efficiently any more units. Don't know why but sometimes they go straight for my buildings when Iam outside the walls. Had to go back several times and defend because red was doing nothing even if they say that they will defend it.

[@jjjiljjjj]

STONE WALL YOUR BASE STONE WALL YOUR BASE STONE WALL YOUR BASE STONE WALL YOUR BASE The reason you always lose these is because your base isn't properly walled so you have to make military at home or bring your units from the offense towards defense. With stone wall you can defend with a single magonel/onager even, until they can build trebs.

[@nopenguinsinfinland]

So what are you saying? I wish you communicated your point more clearly.

[@thephoenix8036]

Walls walls no balls

[@alexanfung]

ah... rams...?

[@jjjiljjjj]

@@alexanfung rams die if you have a couple of onagers for defense to pound them. It's a lot cheaper than diverting his entire map pressure into defending his base.

[@jjjiljjjj]

@@nopenguinsinfinland I'm trying to tell Vipey to build a wall and make the AI pay for it.

[@sergiop253]

Guys, barbarian is now available for definitive edition!

[@ApocalipsisEnSabah]

-Try the rotation strat, make spare houses arround your base to make them waste time trying to destroy it for defense (havent test it as an offense strat like building between enemies some houses so they waste time at the house instead of supporting the allie). -Try to lure AI to narrow paths/traps you make with houses/walls/gates with some onagres/scorpions/towers/castles at the choke point as defense if the house lure isnt working -Dont destroy the market of the pocket you killed and trade with it (do some walls across the map if needed for safety). -You can do a mix of archers and skirms (you can doit with only skirms too but you kill less villagers and is more vulnerable to scouts/knights/etc), after you bug the villagers keep the skirms so they keep dancing and continue with your archers while you keep doing more archers and skirms. -Do a monk and convert the bugged villagers if needed.

[@bruno-vs2cm]

Oshe zy .. vs boot I like sarracens. a special unit can kill thousands without needing a report AND without suffering damage. before that, archers have bonuses against buildings, they can even destroy the TC, for example, good for destroying small buildings.

[@bruno-vs2cm]

Monks, brilliant, trader with enemy market I love it.

[@barkinghampalace5032]

Viper so good he watches himself for tips.

[@gunfighter0103]

I had a dream that I was at the first day of 8th grade with TheViper himself it was weird

[@thesnackbandit]

What

[@ananass8030]

The short post game analysing and next strat plan was interesting Also, 20:00 sums up every game I've had against 3 ai's

[@Galva94a]

Franks into Castle rush.. a castle in the face of each of them

[@ekim613]

My 'theoretical' strat for a Mayans vs 4 AI would be obviously to take out 1 of the flanks asap. Hard rush the better flank thru Feudal until u stream in ~15 archers on the way to castle. Then as you hit Castle, upg ur xbows and send in a few rams with pike/ew to knock them out. If you don't manage to kill them off by the time they all hit Castle, (cheaply) stone wall the middle and your other flank with some tower/scorp defence 1v3. Make sure to get masonry and fortified walls (350f 275w) as the AI will waste a lot of time on buildings/walls instead of eco which WILL buy you time to boom. If you manage to safely boom on 4+tc in imp, go around in a circle with a deathball of arbs (obsidian)/plumes and siege rams filled with eagles/halb and few trebs. Onagers and heavy scorps are good value if your enemies mass, but plume/arb micro is op. Try to get 3 minimum relics if you have the chance. You want to turn Arabia into Arena if you want to make it to Imp comfortably. You could handle a 1v3 post imp if you have the eco, but not 1v4. Just my thoughts based off the gameplay... it can always change depending on the 4 civs you play against, but Mayans have a pretty limited, but straightforward army composition. (Arb/Plume/Halb/EW/Ram/WALLS) Better luck next time Vipey!

[@FeAbou]

He gives so many right-clicks that I don't know how his mouse can handle it.

[@hanktheplank]

you can do houses everywhere to make their army loose time they seem to focus the closer buildings so send a villager out to gain some time. if you attak IA with a unit they are gonna commit into the counter so making 1 or 2 unit to force some technologies can be an option. you can also try to do basic skirm instead of archer because you only need to poke villager to make them garisson/bug near the wood line or the TC

[@joedalton155]

that skinny sheep guy doing the same joke over and over again was so annoying

[@TheArcher143]

blue is 2001 Arch Koven confirmed

[@joshuamorris9524]

One minute in I thought we were watching one of my replays!! Much respect to Vippee, but it does bring my comfort to know that he is mortal.

[@FeAbou]

19:11 You could have done a great damage against those skirmishers aligned on top by sending a scorpion to shoot there, instead of fighting the skirmirshers on the right

[@omerrosh253]

You could set the population limit to 25 and build a wonder... the AI would not be able to train enough units while managing their economy.

[@BlackLegendful]

I'd wanna see AIs on ladder to see where they place

[@arrgghh1555]

Fatslob them. Defend until you have an army capable of destroying their entire base. Annoying them with a few archers will not work.

[@AndrewTheFrank]

rotating around the map starting with a flank sounds like a good idea. Especially if you're going to be running out of gold and stone. If you knock out a flank in feudal then most of his gold and stone will be there for push on the pockets.

[@mrspoer]

Awesome! Love these games... I think if you don't want to make a few feudal-towers, then certainly make aggressive castles in castle age. In my experience with AI, after castle age, have 1 big army and just take extremely good fights are the way to go...

[@Turbo_TechnoLogic]

Try TOWERS EVERYWHERE. Tower rush, Tower defense, Towers in the middle. The idea is that You can't be everywhere, but towers and Castles stay and they at least slow them down, maybe walling too, before you train units or get back

[@alexanderstoyanov7464]

Viper vs 4 AI summarized with one word: "Mami" :)))

[@bruno-vs2cm]

Alexander Stoyanov he kills 5 Ai other day.

[@ananass8030]

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[@ailst]

bruno this was before the Patch that made villagers fight back against low amounts of archers. He could hold position 4 archers around the tc and all the villagers didn’t know what to do anymore. You can still do this but you need way more archers for it to work.

[@danielbentley7117]

Maybe try Cumans with a TC drop and rams in Feudal to take out one player completely and take all his resources then boom from there and it will almost be like a 2v3. You've already proven that they strongly defend their allies. So going all-in on one player in Feudal will force the allies to defend so you won't have worry as much about being raided at home. They won't have much answer for rams with TC arrows with only vils and feudal units. I understand the thinking behind attacking all 4x though. If you leave 1 guy untouched you worry that he will boom to castle super early and dominate. But maybe forcing the action with the all in feudal push will force them all to make defensive units delaying their castle up time.

[@mopsnuf]

My favorite series on here to be honest!

[@davidclark5351]

I’ve played so much ages during lockdown and yet I’ll never be anywhere near where this guy is playing level 🙈🤮🤣, guess we just enjoy and learn I suppose!

[@aespa690]

These are the only vids I watch so thank you Biper!

[@RyanEglitis]

I also wonder if you could try a conq snowball wiping across from one flank to the pockets. Maybe backed up with partial stonewall on the other flank, to try and direct them into your army production. I know the AI will often not destroy things when they can find a valid path instead, so convoluted walls that aren't fully walled could also work. It also seems that whatever you build, the AI will have at least one player building a hard counter to your main unit, so perhaps a mixed army would be best.

[@TheChimples]

I know you like Mayans but I'd give Bulgarians a shot. With their Kreposts you can keep your base more secure while creating the Konik which is a unit that has very good value (2 units in 1). It's a bit pricey but maybe the Kreposts are enough to keep them at bay while you work on the Konik snowball.

[@AJIN0071981]

RAM THEM ... Use Cumans.. Ram all buildings of specific player at feudal age while booming. Then ram another player by castle... Disable both by feudal; only to ram another one by castle.. So middle of Castle and Imperial Age you have to deal with 2 players(instead of 4)... Architecture and stone wall not happening since 1 player against 4... Best option palisade wall with 50% more HP. Check tartars with Keshik for gold generation... Fast forward to Imperial and trebuchet them with +2 range... Disable players before you reach Imperial(if possible)... remaining is luck with some planning...

[@tcsiyic3584]

Even if you don't use tower for cheesing, I think you can use them defensively as AI still take hopeless fights against towers when they have mass(~10) units. Just remember to wall your tower, then for 250 stone and some wood you should have much less skirms/xbow to deal with in Castle Age. Maybe that will buy you enough time to boom & kill pocket?

[@simonst5487]

4:54 he is living now in Germany, he nows to talk

[@hezo9]

You have to stay with ranged units because your advantage is your micro. Rotating is a good option because then it's far harder for others to support, opposed to being at the centre of the map where flanks can get to your army easily. Also you don't wanna split your army because it's far too hard to micro when making castle to imp transitions so you need a deathball in castle age instead. STONE WALL YOUR BASE!

[@waltmeisterderherzen6191]

last time you said you need a killing blow on the flank.just play it 100 times it only needs to work once. you got this

[@jonathanlaulund3027]

has the viper cnsidered cheeseing the enemy ai with random building on the map for the ai to take out in positions that dont threten him.... like a distractionary house clump on ether side of his base...

[@gosucab944]

idk but I think you could simply cheese the ai with a few archers. I had it happen twice that If my archers stood at a certain distance from the tc they would just garrison and ungarrison indefinitely. But I don't think that would be very fun :P

[@JSHanta7]

@@gosucab944 that was possible before, you can see in previous versions of this series, but this doesn't work anymore.

[@zloy_puhly_kotik]

Built a lot of fake targets siege workshops. AI hate it for some reasons and attack - you can win time.

[@Michal235]

Have you considered going for franks or bulgarians to spam castles/kreposts to seal your position? Every step forward = another cheap castle/krepost, I think it would work.

[@ForAnAngel]

I legit have to put it on .25 speed for there to be any hope for me to keep up with him.

[@mmmzzzz560]

I think Viper should play custom scenarios.

[@jprsfragoso]

19:57 I laughed way too hard at that, im so sorry xD

[@caiobos]

Viper, try Advanced Feudal TC with Cummans. They send their army to die in the TC. Also, you can still build more villagers. Then go castle and switch to cavalry.

[@Vaasth]

every attemp I've seen "I'm getting optimistic" "Lets castle his face" *looses castle* *looses game* jk good tries :D

[@fedefiorda]

Vaasth hey bro good profile pic

[@Vaasth]

@@fedefiorda thx

[@supernoobwaller1720]

The power of Daut compels thee

[@maxmustermann5590]

The updates made the a lot more difficult I feel. I could shit on 1 extreme AI before doing what I want, now I need to focus and go for serious strats and still lose sometimes

[@casadopovodealcanena]

I lose vs hard :')

[@maxmustermann5590]

@@casadopovodealcanena Funny thing is I think on open maps threre is not much difference between moderate and extreme. When you`re able t beat moderate on arabia you should probably be able to beat extreme really. On closed maps like BF theres a big difference tho

[@Hennu_TRM]

The AI did get some pretty good civs though. I think they were all A or S tier according to Viper's arabia list.

[@chrinarai]

This is way better than the other version of AI where you'd just crush a few in the first minute or two.. That hardly counts as them being in the game lol. This is an actual battle.!

[@priesten2763]

I commented on another video explaining a tactic you can use to beat 4 AI. We already know that Viper has no problem with cheesing. The reason he isnt cheesing recently vs AI isnt because its wrong, but because he thinks it doesnt work as well with how good they are. I can easily beat 1v3 AI and im rated 1100 online. The tactic is, go Koreans on Mangrove Jungle. Fast castle into turtle ships and send one to each enemy, patrolling their base and lumber camps killing vills. Please upvote so Viper can see this comment. I want to see him beat even 5 AI, and with this tactic if its the Viper he can do maybe even 6.

[@TheViperAOE]

I'm playing them on Arabia!

[@sygmaone]

Bulgarian FC Krepost rush? Franks FC Castle rush? Cumans Feudal rams+towers?

[@CamDeElite]

Love watching these videos against the AI!

[@chrisl9112]

The AI's message at the end was cute. Don't hurt their feelings viper :)

[@camilocarena]

29:00 reaction was 10/10.

[@MrCZRC]

I would like to say before i watch your attempt that the extreme ai does enjoy sending troops to die at early stages of the game ive found mainly vs my own towers, Only was i was able to defeat me vs 1 ai twice with a tower kind of strat lol

[@NONAMENONONAME]

How well do they defend against a tower rush? Against the old AI you can just kill 7 of them with tower rush. Or maybe boom and try to funnel them into castle/tower fire. That way you don't provoke them into making military too early.

[@chrispaynter]

Crazy game. Top effort, unfortunately not enough gold. Could you try to get relics once you hit castle age? That might help 🤔

[@mythology2467]

Oh that makes me happy they put the gg in there.

[@zhyyn2054]

technically it should be impossible to beat 2 ais on the most difficult setting

[@mikasa1641]

Thou hast proven thyself most worthy. I declare us friends

[@heyheywzup]

I have done some games vs AI and the most convincing wins I get using aztecs. Game is over even before reaching imp, im rated 1500 and only play vs 2 of them but in your hands I imagine you could do twize as good. How come you never tried them?, or do maya arch/eagle better anyway?

[@Meylan191083]

What composition of normal (so not MBL, Hera, Daut etc) human players (number of and level of) do you think would put up a similar level of challenge against you?

[@bruno-vs2cm]

Sarracens can do it. Archers bonuses and late the especial kits unit kills every boot easily.

[@pauliusmscichauskas558]

If it's anything like the hard AI, they will try to lead all their units through a tiny gap in your walls, ignoring that it's a death trap. Try that.

[@abhinavleo1208]

Black Forest, Britons vs 4 Teutons

[@Nynphierno]

Damn the 9999 flashback.. i remember when i made my 9999fan of the 9999fan account. Viper and chat laughed so hard when i subbed, that made it really worth it 🤣 “So we have 9999fans of 9999fans now???”

[@NateRiversforRever]

What happened to Viperfan anyways?

[@patonnight]

Magyar Scout Rush?

[@Miguel-hw8hj]

if the AI is helping each other, could you not attack one flank with a couple of units and lure the units across the map from the other flank and take it out? rotate that way

[@Lucifer_410]

Could you please make a 200 Teutonic Knights video one day?🙄

[@sthao7167]

viper analyzes losses and adapts.

[@rodeleropeltasta7604]

i think its best to set the ai on certain race first, briton its actually kindda easy.

[@trevorcrabtree3476]

AI know housing viper is his weakness

[@bencedarleaf8139]

What is the exact version of AOE that you play? I play AOE 2 on Steam with the Conquerors' Expansion is that similar to what you discuss in your videos?

[@biaslina]

No He play aoe2 DE

[@OniUnleashed]

Definitely want to see the Goth approach, just to see them at their full potential, for better or worse.

[@_papasparta_-txc-4730]

I think you need to delay one flank with buildings and then snowball the other side and clean up 1 by 1

[@666sentrax]

The start is such a Silverboi play.

[@xMarble]

How about you rush blue and tower green. Then kill blue and move on to red. Kill red move on to cyan. Adress green where needed to maintain tower. Could be completely wrong, but that's my idea.

[@RolfReibach]

try cumans with ram push on both flanks

[@mastodon11111111]

Tc drop two enemies at the same time in feudal age and boom up for the 2v1 11

[@husainjam]

I demand a obsidian arrows masterpiece against the AI

[@theophertil4495]

Try to trush next time. I dont know if it is still efficient but with the HD IA, it was pretty easy to beat 4 IA by trushing (I was able to do it whereas I am not very good).

[@ondrasuchanek6467]

have you tried tower rushing some of them? AI couldn't react when i did it (vils are like bugged then, jumping in and out of tc), but I'm not sure if you can do it vs 4, I'm still just a noob :D

[@larsplogmaker3990]

The big problem in this was the cav right? Why dont you take out the cav civs out first, if thats possible?

[@Melon4Ever95]

Goth is the way to go !

[@otakuma2958]

Someone suceessfully beat 5 extreme AI by celts

[@jeroen92]

The thing with AI is that they attack the first building they see, they dont go to your eco, so you can literally spam some stone walls and towers and the ai will kill all of their early armies onto the towers and walls, should give you time to kill the first guy in early castle age, then drop a castle at home get obsidian arrows and move to the next guy in a spiral like you said. AI does not check for holes in walls.

[@brunorodriguez3520]

Valió V, como la patita del mameitor. Good game Viper

[@mattmarkowicz]

There is an Age I player that triple walls his base, booms to IMP(Iron) and then takes out one guy at a time...and steals their golds.

[@shafoz]

fatslob

[@nicita27]

You should do FC into Cobra Cars and just take out one by one.

[@twisted794]

Viper's army of PLEBS!

[@SebastienGadoury]

Try full boom with goth? Maybe the AI dont understand how to deal with the uskarl flow!

[@Linkingx2]

I mean I am a pleb who doesnt beat extrem one on one, but when I play against 7 modrate AI I use your stradegy, block one site with castle and walls, and then move with army & siege and a vill in a roundabout way... and while it ends in spam it is easier as you have to worry about one mayor fight, and glance over your "wall" once in a while dont think it will be that easy against extrem ai but wish you best of luck

[@Mystprism]

The difference between moderate and extreme ai is that extreme ai will use rams and trebs. You can't just wall and castle one side.

[@larsplogmaker3990]

30:40 That bird flies so low, it like one tile LUL is that normal?

[@darktermi1993]

Can't you defend with castles and mangonelas while you focus a flank with rams till you whipe him?

[@dangmb011dpn7]

@viper if u play like that why Not playing Arztes for Extra damage

[@dorianursuul5109]

Would have loved to see your conversation with yourself

[@lyricalandi1489]

tower rush the pockets gold/stone

[@juanca2807]

11:38 Me after seeing this year start.

[@mgtowstanleyzoltanov9808]

You should build hte mill one heximal further then the berries.

[@Stillstanding1]

the skinny sheep has to be reported for that spam

[@iankemp2627]

That guy is literal cancer.

[@Aynshtaynn]

I didn't watch the whole game yet, and I'm definitely not a good player. But I'll still toss an idea around. Would Vikings be good against AI with wheelchair advantage and usage of arbalests? Edit: Wheelbarrow, not wheelchair 11