APC 24V Smart 1000 Battery Upgrade (RBC6-RBC7)

[@pasoundman]

I came across this video in a timely manner. I'd just got hold of a Smart-UPS 1000 with fried batteries. I noticed that the battery compartment had rails to take 2 different sizes of batteries and took your advice and fitted RBC7 equivalents from a supplier that was also doing a special deal on them. Thanks for the advice ! BTW, I also got a small UPS where the battery was nearly dead, came across the videos on reviving SLA batteries (mainly by carefully adding de-ionised water to the dry cells and the recharging with care - yes despite being 'sealed' they DO dry out) and by heck, it works. It's not like a new battery but probably is as good as 75-80% capacity.

[@michaelebays]

WARNING: battery wiring confusion ahead. 1) Your UPS may use a 12V or a 24V battery(s) configuration. Check first then wire appropriately. 2) always wire a fuse and fuse holder between the battery POS and the UPS POS

[@High_Caliber]

I have to admit...I basically bought replacements, and just matched them up like the ones I removed, and just filmed it for the heck of it. That said....it's still running to this day, although I think I've had to re-do this 1 or 2 times since then (I have 2 of these setups running a server and a saltwater fishtank). It's just weird that this video got views -HC

[@rogerbreton6412]

Thank you so much for demonstrating the process! I learned a lot from it :-)

[@ice44444]

Worked like a charm, thanks for the guide!

[@High_Caliber]

5 months later and units still performing well. One is now backup for the heat and pumps on my saltwater reef, I have 4+ hours of juice to keep the water moving and the heater going (which is amazing really).

[@dickgroff]

IS HE EATING WHILE FILMING?? WHAT IS HE, TEN YEARS OLD?

[@bullshyte8345]

***** I was also going to say something about the pretzels and then you made a crack about always eat lunch beforehand. Too funny. I really enjoyed it! Great video mate. And... smile when you call him that (Dick). :)

[@High_Caliber]

+Bull Shyte It's like people want me to starve Bull! Cheers :)

[@bertusklusidee7161]

I bought one myself yesterday on an online auction for about 30 usd. If the batteries aren't good enough I centainly will try to fix it the way you did. Just getting two 12 volt batteries and connection them together so that i will get 24 volts. You could even keep the device empty and you two old car batteries instead but my wife wouldn't be happy with such a solution. It's already a mess in my shop. ;-) Thanks for sharing.

[@High_Caliber]

Bertus Klusidee I've been looking for a couple more myself, you would think there would be a ton of these things floating around, but people must just keep them or throw them out when they finally die.

[@bluetonight17]

+Bertus Klusidee I would NOT recommend trying to use 24 v on a transformer that is meant to be used with 12v. As well as the charger that is standard is meant to charge only 12v, you would not be able to get a full charge.

[@th3drizzl378]

Use double sided tape imo instead of hot glue also use a fusible link 9/16 100amp which came stock in the ones with the rbc7's. Also u now need to calibrate the unit to take full advantage of the bigger batteries. To those asking about a fan yes u can. I have an intake and exhaust fan one on each side where the vents are.

[@timlipinski2571]

I have the same battery number RBC7 for my APC Back-UPS RS 1500. That is two 12 VDC batteries wired in series for a total of 24 VDC. Another YT video read from he manuel that said to use clear packing tape to hold the two (2) batteries together and to keep the wires from moving or shorting out (magic blue smoke) ! And the fuse is a good safety idea that other YT videos show. Thank you for a great video. Safety First. Eyes UP and lights down, tjl Sent by Win7Pro64 w/ADSL

[@High_Caliber]

Tim Lipinski The tape wouldn't be a bad idea, although the batteries are held in place fairly well in the housing. I definitely would have added that part (some sort of tape that doesn't dry out with heat anyway). Cheers!!

[@timlipinski2571]

+Tim Lipinski Just ordered in late April 2016 the RBC7 battery with the Battery Kit. The fuse is a bolt on and is rated at 32 V and 100 Amp. Should be up and running in about a week. The two RBC7 batteries are rated at 24 V at about 18 Ah. The APC Back-UPS RS 1500 LCD is reading about 80 VAC for the plug power out. Batteries are fully charged but unit is saying error. (uses 2x12V at 7 Ah) tjl

[@Aranimda]

I bought me a RBC7 cable set with gray Anderson connector and connected it to the Smart-UPS 1000 battery cables. Now I can connect any RBC7 battery directly to my UPS.

[@soldiersvejk2053]

Thanks!

[@DIYOneForAll]

Keeping it real bro....get that bite in :). I did the same upgrade to an old rejected APC UPS. I actually hooked up mine to a battery bank, connected to a 200 watt solar system.

[@High_Caliber]

Does it work? Any specs? I've been looking at ordering solar cells from china and building a panel, never thought to hook it up to one of these...

[@DIYOneForAll]

***** Yep, it work great. I two 12 volt 100 watts solar panels connected in series, going to a Renogy 30 AMP charge controller. From the charge controller, it goes to my 2 twelve volt batteries, connected in series to provide 24 volts, which does match the voltage of the APC unit. I power it on and it works great. I am in the process of uploading some videos on my progress. Check out my videos for the initial setup.

[@Amirbaas]

DIY OneFor

[@mosesjaron3269]

HI THANK U so much. nice work i have APC RS/XS 1500 can i use 12V. 48amp or 60 amp or 80amp . for more back up

[@tudomerda]

jesus, crunch crunch, fvcking crunch crunch crunch crunch

[@Aranimda]

Nice! Inspired by your video, I added an Andersen connector to my Smart-UPS 1000, removed the rails and installed an RBC7 pack. Still, I wonder if it is possible to add a fan like the Smart-UPS 1500 has. (Intelligent fan that only switches on when the unit gets hot or runs off battery)

[@hellcat1988]

I'd love to know the amperage output limit on something like this ups because if it's got a good output and a relatively pure sign wave it'd be great for a fridge or (gas fueled 110V) furnace backup power supply for events like brown outs and power loss. I say that as someone who's lost power during a blizzard with double digit sub-zero temperatures for 2 days.

[@sephhh]

thanks

[@roelflores8436]

Nice!

[@philindeblance]

Another thing I noticed is that when I did 2 APC Smart UPC replacements...1 was a direct swap of these cells, and the other was an upgrade to these cells...My batteries we about 15.5Volts, but once I did the replace, the charge was at 1 bar/LED light and then slowly charged up over a few hours. Your's lit up all but one LEd showing a rather full charge. One thing I did do is purchase the 22ah instead of the standard 18ah. Not sure if that makes the difference.

[@ricardoromer4089]

Straight forward, but I don't understand the 60 amp fuse between the two batteries. In my case, I will be using external deep cycle batteries, connected to UPS using a trawling motor plug. Fuse or even a breaker is on the back of just about every APC UPS. I would recommend eliminating the part with the fuse. Even more so, if not, you can buy fuse holder with cable ready in automotive parts. Soldering fuses is not a good idea.

[@AnthonyHigham6414001080]

+Ricardo Romer Thanks for that. I wondered about the wisdom of having a hard wired fuse. Presumably it is only there to prevent a catastrophic meltdown in the event of a dead short to the batteries. I am also about to wire an external battery, a 65 amp 12 volt lead acid, and was wondering about the unit's ability to keep it trickle charged. It's a Smart UPS 750. Any thoughts?

[@ricardoromer4089]

It will take longer to recharge but it should work

[@AnthonyHigham6414001080]

+Ricardo Romer. Cheers. We often get short term power outages here so it's to run router and TV. Looking at the forecast for the coming winter maybe a 10kVA generator might be in order :-)

[@ricardoromer4089]

+Anthony Higham Yes but don't forget the control panel to select the services that will be powered or off while generator is on

[@MagnumForce51]

Why not wire that fuse up to a socket instead of soldering directly to wires on the batteries? Would be less of a pain to replace in case the fuse blows. :P

[@High_Caliber]

+MagnumForce51 a) didn't have a socket for a fuse that big (even had to order the fuses), and b) if the fuse goes I likely have bigger issues than simple replacement of a fuse. I figure if a fuse blows on something like this, pretty much the whole setup is toast.

[@MagnumForce51]

Ahh I see. The UPS has fuses of it's own on the inverter board. The fuse you added only really helps in the event something shorts the batteries out directly. The fuse you added isn't really needed, but I guess it gives you piece of mind. :P

[@High_Caliber]

I didn't just add them in for fun, no. tinyurl.com/plrbwyk

[@MagnumForce51]

Oh I see so the UPS originally did have a fuse there as well. I guess that makes sense to upgrade the fuse too. :P

[@VVal1900]

que buen video te dejo el me gusta.

[@Winexoid]

good unit, mine were over-charging batteries all the time, and it killed 3 sets (2 of 7Ah and one of 12Ah). just if i knew back then, when i've bought it, that it's a piece of crap, oh... i'm looking for making a LiFePO4 replacement with BMS for this one - got sick of buying batteries every 1-2 years already...

[@Treasurethedoge]

60A fuse? Why so high? Can the UPS take 60A input into it's rectifier?

[@High_Caliber]

I just replaced what was installed on the batteries that came out of the unit. They were the original brand batteries, so I just went with it. I don't like to second guess engineers...although that said, I once owned a house that ran on 60A (it's a LOT of juice!)

[@blackdragonx1186]

Great video. Did you ever calibrate them when you installed the new battery?

[@High_Caliber]

Aaron A Actually no, I may look that up, however they are going on 2 years and I test them time to time (one is running circulating pumps on a saltwater tank that can't stand stagnant in a power outage), and they are both functioning perfectly...

[@OhFreeGames]

Can I use the same battery connector fuse from my RBC6 unit for the RBC7 unit? Or is there a change in specs? TIA.

[@High_Caliber]

I had to switch the fuse because I upped the size of the battery. If you are just swapping out identical batteries, then you can use the factory one, but if you are 'upgrading' you also have to up the fuse. These things are still running, and I think I made this video in 2014 or something like that. :)

[@OhFreeGames]

@@High_Caliber Thanks for the reply. Yes, I am going from 2x12AH to 2x18AH. Was hoping to use my existing fuse connector from the original RBC6. Oh well!

[@koglianc]

The question was not of the load, but of the accu's capacity more than the original. So, anyway everything is ok, - great!

[@TaylorSwifty69]

Idk nor do I have the tools to make those adapters what's the name of the adapters that connect to the apc? Great vid!

[@jemijona]

They are 6.3mm QC connectors.

[@DilliganGames]

I'm not too fimiliar with these yet, I'm looking to buy one. But, if the battery is 12V, could I just take more 12V batteries (like a deep cycle marine battery) and connect it in parallel? I know that parallel will increase amps not volts, but would there be a problem with the charger running so damn long to charge it back up or something?

[@jgwimmer]

Dylan Madigan The charger in the UPS isn't made to charge a high current load, aka, multiple batteries wired in series/parallel. If they were fully charged before you put them in, they would be ok, but if you lost power and needed them and they discharged to about 50% of their value (below 12vdc), the charger would overhead and probably burn up once power was restored as it tried to charge high current back into the battery. One thing I would do is leave the batteries external to the UPS, and use a separate bulk charger like a 2/6/10 amp automotive charger to recharge the batteries disconnected from the UPS, then plug the batteries back into the UPS once they're recharged. Now you're ready for the next power outage.

[@เซ็งเซ็ง-ฐ9ซ]

You not calibrate a new battery?

[@High_Caliber]

Yes, but I did that on the pc later.

[@CommonCentsRob]

These comments are what happens when you skip lunch to watch such a brilliant video. Always eat something you pansies! Quit your b!tching! This is a great mod with step by step tutorial. Nothing wrong with the video except I had to pause it to go and get me some crisps to eat. Love your humour in the comment section mate.

[@High_Caliber]

Indeed, this video seems to bring out the hangry in people ;) Long live crisps!

[@coloradowilderness3139]

Circuit board's parts which is above battery pack ! It may hinder the battery packs. So...

[@slrn832472577]

I did that with 2 8D AGM Non Gassing Deep Cycle Batteries for my Smart Ups 1000.

[@philindeblance]

I have a used one that has the larger batteries, but it is connected with a 100amp 32volt fuse. They are not the APC batteries, so someone swapped them. Should I change the fuse to a 60amp/12v?

[@MrCougar214]

Were you intending to hook the batteries in series to make it a 24V system?

[@mylt1z28]

um, if he wanted it to work he had to run them in series. the UPS is designed for 24v input.

[@auditocanarsie7355]

I like that you used OEM type batteries. I saw a few videos where people used car batteries, but I also saw a disclaimer on one of the videos claiming that it can cause a fire. Can you just add 2 more of the RBC7 batteries to double the run time? I understand that 4 batteries wouldn't fit in the OEM case but are there any other issues? Have you tried anything like that?

[@inductor1.77]

I Think I enjoyed reading your comment replies as much as the video (especially your ex-girlfriend sherri), thanks!

[@High_Caliber]

Next time I do one of these, I'm totally going to slurp noodles out of a bucket through the whole thing. :)

[@DanBellJr]

I am looking for someone to put an O-Scope on these older APC units. I would like to see what the sinewave looks like as I have found quite a few of these in the recycle bin. I have newer PFC power supplies also.

[@detoxrum]

I know this is an old vid, but hooking the batteries up the way you did, in series, would make it a 24volt system. I thought most UPS's were 12volt.

[@RedRider1600]

Most are, but the more powerful ones are 24 volt.

[@pasoundman]

And even 48 & 96 V !

[@armankordi]

most APC SMARTUPS's are 24v, larger than 1500/rackmounts are 48V

[@YevgenLasman]

How is it going after couple of years? BTW, did you run calibration after putting RBC7 how was it?

[@CihaPet]

OK, maybe I'm beating a dead horse here... But I'm curious about how hooking up a 24V battery bank in the place that a 12V battery came out of works exactly. In the back of my head, I have this voice saying that this isn't correct and just can't figure out how it is working in your configuration.

[@koglianc]

So, in case my batteries die, I'll replace them with bigger ones) The only problem is the charge level of each battery - it's always necessary to insert batteries either fully charged or discharged - the first is much better)))

[@eltouristoduo]

How do yo u tell if the UPS uses a float charger or a trickle charger? I mean, I'd guess they all use float, but that's just a guess.

[@billpursley2503]

Since you wired the 12 volt batteries in SERIES, I assume that the ups operates on 24 volt. Is this true for all or most APC devices?

[@bbuggediffy]

Of course not most. APC sells a ton of variety.

[@JA-hx1sy]

I got something like this, some junk from friends office and they got heaps of them. The one that I have does not turn on. I assume there is a battery inside and its already depleted. My question is, if the battery inside is connected to the ups system and is depleted, or if there is no battery that is connected, will the system turn on when you plug this ups to the outlet? Because I am thinking of buying, but what if I will just be throwing money away and this whole smart UPS is already dead. Please kindly enlighten me.... Thank you.

[@High_Caliber]

Mine wouldn't power up at all until good batteries were installed. I thought the same thing, that they would still fire up if I just plugged them in. I bought them the same way, not sure if they would work.

[@chenheqing]

like it

[@trollking6111]

I have an old APC UPS system. I am going to desulfate some old 100AH Marine batteries. Can I just swap the batteries and run the system for longer? Can I parallel 2 marine batteries and get 200AH?

[@jgwimmer]

Troll Boss The charging circuit in the UPS would probably overheat and burn up trying to supply enough current to charge batteries that big. If the batteries were fully charged initially, the charger in the UPS would act as a float charger and keep them topped off but if you lost power and needed the UPS, the batteries discharging over a long period of time would create the same charging problem once power was restored. Additionally, the wiring isn't capable of handling much more than 25 amps, so as long as you didn't try to draw more than the UPS is capable of providing (about 680 Watts for an SU1000), you should be fine. Just remember you have to have 2 12v batteries in series since the UPS expects to see 24VDC.

[@trollking6111]

Jeff Wimmer I would think that the UPS has a trickle charger and would slowly charge the batteries. I killed the power and the system held, maintaining the load for a few seconds before I turned the power back on. I connected the batteries in parallel with #10 AWG wire, series would have overloaded the UPS. You can't just double the voltage and expect the system to handle the increased voltage. #10 wire is good for 30 amps. A 10 to 1 step up ratio would get me my 120 volts needed to run the equipment. The system was pulling way too much power, 7 bitcoin miners, It fried my power supplies, and I think it also fried my UPS. The bitcoin miners were made in China, they were pulling A LOT more power than advertised. DO NOT buy Bitmain ANTMiners, they will destroy your system.

[@MagnumForce51]

+Troll Boss Most consumer UPS devices do NOT use trickle charge circuits. This leads to battery overcharging and only really cheap crappy ones have such a charging circuit. (most use a float charging circuit which simply maintains a certain voltage and wont overcharge. Only more expensive units would use a more advanced charging technology like those that use lithium batteries for example as charging those is not the same as charging SLA batteries) Some UPS devices use 12v instead of 24v. (generally the smaller ones). Just make sure the battery you are replacing it with has the same voltage. I can't imagine a really large battery overloading the charging circuit. It would simply take forever to fully recharge it. :P

[@jgwimmer]

Where did you get the blue male spade quick disconnects?

[@koglianc]

Hello, does your system work stable? I would like to do the same, but RBC7 has more capacity i.e. less resistance (impedance), so there is the risk of damage of the charging part. Does the UPS overheat during charging from approximately 10%?

[@rodrigofranco4967]

now you just need to link it to the conputer to get its parameters right, or else it will start to tell you that the batteries are dead in no time, even if they aren´t

[@RedRider1600]

If you are going to go through the trouble, why not get 2 much larger and cheaper deep cycle 120 Amp Hour Marine battery? About 35% more power for half the price without all the extra work of combining so many batteries.

[@williamrobert9978]

Because they won't fit in the case?

[@michaelebays]

That is possible. The problem is if indoors you will have to case and vent the batteries because those types will produce hydrogen, potentially explosive. There are also issues if the discharge is large relating to heat. (I'm eating potato chips while writing this just to piss-off the obsessives that seem to watch this video.

[@1mwhill]

question about outro music, what is the name of that number you hear at the end of your film?

[@High_Caliber]

Excellent mashup: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h2abZWmDjLmjiJI

[@esthermarye]

how long will it run with those new batteries ?

[@High_Caliber]

That's a tricky question, I found it REALLY depends on the brand. The discount amazon ones will run 50% less than real APC ones, but if you mean how long in actual time, it depends on what the load you are using. If you're charging a phone it will last weeks, if you are running a fan or a heater, only minutes.

[@ptidom29fr]

Hello, what is the input voltage battery? 12v, 24v, ...?

[@ptidom29fr]

@@High_Caliber thank you.

[@ptidom29fr]

@@High_Caliber in fact, i have two battery to replace the existing battery but one if them is break. That explain why the UPS say battery missing.

[@damienlamy60]

so ok he did not know that the battery connects in Parallel same voltage Double the capacity it works great this way for me .instead of doubling the voltage and the amperage stays the same i double the amperage while keeping my 12 volts

[@mylt1z28]

this UPS uses 24v input not 12v. if he had paralleled them it wouldnt work.

[@jjohnston7837]

WOW! You can't make a video without munching on pretzels?!

[@High_Caliber]

NO I EFFIN WELL CAN'T! WHOO HOO!!!

[@Cinnabarcorp]

I found one of these near a dumpster the other day and it won't power on when connecting it to the wall outlet. It's a 1500 Model and it looks like it has the original batteries in it. Question, will the unit power on with a bad or missing battery? I don't want to purchase a new battery and find out that it still won't work.

[@High_Caliber]

If the battery is bad/dead it will not power on. You would think it would, but they don't. The ones I get did the same thing so I sort of gambled when I ordered new batteries for them. Once the new cells were installed they fired right up (and still working today)

[@Cinnabarcorp]

***** Ok cool, I was thinking that the whole UPS unit was dead lol. Where would you recommend purchasing the batteries from?

[@High_Caliber]

Gustavo Guillen I actually think I got them through amazon, but if not it was definitely online I remember the box showing up soaking wet lol.

[@Cinnabarcorp]

I bought brand new RBC7 batteries on ebay and worked perfectly. The unit powers on and calibrated them a few times. It lasts about 40 minutes on 50% load.

[@High_Caliber]

Gustavo Guillen Congrats! :)

[@JanekKolo]

smacznego. Mlask Mlask

[@High_Caliber]

dziękuję. były pyszne.

[@L7Bizy]

Eating, really?!

[@High_Caliber]

Don't you eat?

[@justviews4946]

SOLDER not SODDER geez

[@High_Caliber]

Lol. I will try to sodder on.

[@PyroRob69]

Great idea, poor implementation. Buy a socket for the fuse and size it appropriately. Put the fuse between the positive lead of the UPS and the positive post on the battery. The idea is to disconnect ALL power to the UPS if the fuse blows. Don't use paste flux for plumbing on electrical work. Don't eat while you are filming. Eat your pretzels and then do your filming.

[@High_Caliber]

Man's gotta eat.

[@MyIronman8]

the 24v is stupid it shold be 12v in serries so it last longer . Kind of stupid 12v batterys

[@cutweldngrind]

I broke the ribbon.

[@pasoundman]

Oops ! Can't be too careful with those. You can always substitute with small gauge hook-up wire.

[@jemijona]

Go to an electronics shop and get a new ribbon cable and solder it in.

[@SERGEY-KACHAN]

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[@christopherallan3464]

ewww Boston bruins

[@tarunsangeet6816]

It's pretty grose, your eating, talking and making a video. Is this a joke?

[@High_Caliber]

You should count yourself lucky. I actually overdubbed the sound of me eating to cover up all the flatulence and the weird sounds my colostomy bags make.