Apex Tactical "Flatty" trigger Review for the M&P 2.0

[@procky5992]

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[@OLinUnix188]

I appreciate you taking the time to do the trigger pull comparison; Thank you!

[@faithkillsfear]

It’s a huge difference! I’m glad it helped you.

[@kevingeenen3285]

Just installed mine . Had no issues removing the rear sight in a vise with a punch . No scratches either . You just need a steady hand and make sure everything is square before hitting the punch

[@lucaszavala2953]

It's wild how manufacturers don't just dial in the triggers right off the bat. I considered adding an Apex trigger to my 2.0 but with the added $180 to the base price of $729 out the door I may' have leaned toward a 9mm 1911 instead of the S&W 2.0 if I had known what I know now.

[@mmafanatic-tz5or]

I had bad experience with changing two of my M&P's trigger to an apex. I was having light primer strikes with browning ammo and Winchester ammo because of their hard primer. When I fed the same ammo through my other stock M&P 2.0 and through my Walther PDP and my Glock, they fed easily. Suffice to say that I'm no longer all train my trigger

[@Vernonu9]

I have a 2.0 and I hate the amount of travel it takes to fire the pistol. Based on your video, there is a clear difference between the stock trigger and the Apex trigger breaking points.

[@jamesbroughton7870]

That’s the old stock trigger the newer stock triggers are more of a flat trigger. They’re still not that great but they’re a big improvement over that hinged curve trigger. And I have the Apex trigger in mind but I like the pull weight but the reset is anemic it’s not tactile or audible, and there’s still a lot of grit in the pre-travel

[@BigZsethh]

Wow these builds are amazing

[@faithkillsfear]

Thank you!

[@cczseth]

@@faithkillsfear YW!

[@willg6997]

Apex is king when it comes to M&P, but I might prefer the Overwatch Precision if I chose to go the aftermarket route. I'd love to shoot both back to back.

[@Spidey_Ethan]

If you do get them both, please do report back and share you're thoughts! Thanks!

[@frankie209fs]

Idk about the overwatch trigger. I installed one in my 2.0 performance center and the reset isn't audible or tactile.

[@willg6997]

@@frankie209fs both of those are nice features to have when you're showing off the gun, but in actual firing, not so much. Smooth and fast is the name of the game with quick follow-up shots and rapid fire. And both are fast, I just prefer the Overwatch without a comparison, so far.

[@frankie209fs]

@@willg6997 wish I could say the same. The shoe on the overwatch is nice. However reset leaves me guessing if I let it out far enough to actually reset. Reminds me of the 1.0 triggers. Glad you're enjoying yours.

[@miketaylorID1]

@@frankie209fs guessing at the reset even with an apex in my 1.0 is NFG IMO. Grabbed up a 2.0 compact and am pretty happy with the stock trigger except for the hinged shoe. I Would just replace the shoe if I could find a flat or nearly flat replacement like The new non-hinged stock shoe from S&W. But I don’t think they offer the shoe solo. 🤔

[@OBZ74]

Thank you for the amazing video! Quick question,I have replaced my M&P 2.0 trigger with the Apex and I really like it pulling 4lbs but from some reason the reset has not been changed… I have replaced the springs and the safety plunger and still have not fixed the reset issue which is still not tactile or audible, can you please let me know what am I missing.

[@faithkillsfear]

Look at the comment section below; I go into detail how you can change the reset

[@jinan12]

Do you know the color combo you have on that FDE Frame? It looks sick.

[@miketaylorID1]

Grabbed up a New 4” compact. Wish it had the new S&W flat-faced shoe bc the stock trigger is just fine, I just prefer a flatty to the hinged shoe nowadays. So for consistency sake in training I’m back to researching options for flat shoes. Apex, Overwatch, Agency or flat/hinged Timney?? Thoughts?

[@faithkillsfear]

If all you are looking for is the shoe itself you can usually find the shoes for sale separately. And the trigger shoe shape and size is totally a personal preference thing. But if you also want a shorter break and reset AND a better shoe, then you can’t beat the Apex IMO.

[@miketaylorID1]

@@faithkillsfear yep. I Put an Apex in my 1.0 way back and the improvement was incredible! Unfortunately it did not change its lack of a perceptual reset. This new compact has a slight reset - stock - would a new Apex kit improve that reset? I know the Timney has a pronounced reset, but that’s a hinged shoe. 🤷‍♂️

[@faithkillsfear]

@@miketaylorID1 read through the other recent comments on here. I explain how to increase the audible and tactile feel of the reset. The apex does increase this as well.

[@miketaylorID1]

@@faithkillsfear good deal. Will do. Thanks 🙏🏼

[@LoveLikeaHurricane]

I have a full size with the new flat trigger and a 3.6” with the old hinged trigger. I have to say I prefer the feel of the trigger pull/ reset of the hinged trigger.

[@stevestory8483]

I'm curious all the trigger flow chart trigger weights are much heavier. Are your trigger pull weights lower just due to the springs being broken in more?

[@faithkillsfear]

Yes. I believe my round count plays a big factor. But I also believe their number estimates are a tad high. The biggest change will be with the use of the apex trigger return spring. Apex can’t really estimate the break when you stick with the factory trigger return spring as there is likely a variance between them. All of my pistols have the factory trigger return spring’s in them

[@mi_cheap_guns2925]

Just my personal experience, I’ve always thought the digital Lyman gauge is low to me. I have the Lyman and a cheapo Wheeler spring trigger pull gauge. The Wheeler always seemed more realistic when it came to the pull weight and the numbers you were trying to achieve with the spring combinations. Surprisingly, the cheapo gauge is pretty consistent.

[@faithkillsfear]

@@mi_cheap_guns2925 thank you. That is interesting. I have the same wheeler spring style gauge. I will have to compare them.

[@mi_cheap_guns2925]

@@faithkillsfear The only reason I somewhat came to that conclusion is I did some comparisons with both gauges after I bought the Lyman, I have quite a few handguns with various kits from Apex and also Powder River Precision. The one that really arose the red flag for me was an old PPQ I used to have. It has the Apex flatty in it and a reduced weight trigger return spring, that was supposed to put the pull at 2.5 lbs. The Wheeler registered around the 2.5 every time. The Lyman was saying 1.75, which really didn’t seem believable.

[@Photomeike]

What magwell is that?

[@ComblocEli]

What color did you choose for the cerakote on your slide ?

[@dbcook1967]

What kind of holster are you using?

[@faithkillsfear]

I use Legacy Firearms Co holsters. “Faithkillsfear10” saves you 10%.

[@StreetDogWrangler]

Sweet looking gun. What's your reset like with that trigger? I just installed one and I can barely hear/feel the reset. It's there but compared to most triggers I've used, it's barely noticeable. I'm wondering if I installed mine wrong.

[@faithkillsfear]

The reset is very tactile and audible. I would reach to apex with a video of yours and see what they say.

[@josephsantana3094]

Did you ever figure this out? I just installed one as well and I’m experiencing the same thing. The break is incredible but the reset has almost zero audible or tactile feel to it.

[@faithkillsfear]

@@josephsantana3094 the advice that me and several other friends agreed upon was that the trigger bar needed to be bent ever so slightly (the end closest to the rear of the frame towards the takedown lever/left side of the frame). This will apply more lateral pressure to the sear connector which will give you more sound and feel to the reset.

[@josephsantana3094]

@@faithkillsfear I appreciate the reply but I'm not really following. You mentioned closest to the rear of the frame but takedown lever is definitely in front of the entire trigger assembly on the frame? And then the trigger bar runs back along the right side of the frame where it meets the sear housing in the right side rear of the frame. What do I need to do on the left side of the frame? Do I need to bend the front end of the bar that the trigger shoe is connected to or do I need to bend the end that connects to the sear housing? And which direction do I need to bend it?

[@faithkillsfear]

@@josephsantana3094 if the frame is facing away from you (muzzle end away from you) and the trigger bar is on the right side, remove the bar; with the trigger in your left hand and the pointed part (which goes into the sear) in your right hand, put your thumb in the middle and flex the bar towards yourself ever so slightly. The goal is for the pointed part of the trigger bar to push a little more towards the left side of the frame. Don’t over do it though. If you DM me on IG I can send you a video

[@SigMan66]

99.9% of the time you're shooting the gun...the magazine is in the gun. When you do a trigger test you should have an EMPTY magazine in the gun. It makes a difference on the break weight...just my two cents.

[@faithkillsfear]

Interesting. I will have to test that to see if the difference is noticeable

[@victoresteban4101]

Where do you get your slide and barrel done ??? I want to do one similar to my m&p Pls lmk

[@faithkillsfear]

@@victoresteban4101 Floyd’s custom shop. “Fkf10” will help you out over there.

[@crsquirrely73]

Who did your custom gunsmithing can you comment with the link or number/website

[@cardonmerrill5741]

What color cerakote is the slide of the 5” m&p?

[@faithkillsfear]

It is Cerakoted with “elite blackout”

[@lucaszavala2953]

So much slop in the stock triggers before the wall. Even in the new flat faced 2.0 trigger

[@EverythingFilmmaking]

Not true..the new flat faced runs great

[@musicman1eanda]

How does the apex in the M&P compare to the Canik Rival trigger?

[@faithkillsfear]

I’ve never felt the Canik rival trigger. But I really doubt any factory striker trigger is close to an apexed M&P 2.0 trigger

[@josephsantana3094]

I have tried the Canik Rival. It’s great but still doesn’t compare to an M&P Apex.

[@miketaylorID1]

The canik pre-cocked striker is basically a faithful copy of Walther’s PPQ trigger. Doesn’t really get much better than that - especially as a stock trigger in a 600 pistola

[@tc5691]

Has anyone replaced their trigger with m carbo trigger?

[@joseescobar8475]

Where can I get that slide?

[@faithkillsfear]

I sent the factory slide off to Floyds custom shop for all the work on the barrel and slide.

[@heeebeeegeeebeee]

Where did you get that optics ready slide for the subcompact? Did you just mill it or is it an aftermarket slide?

[@faithkillsfear]

I had the slide work done by Floyd’s Custom Shop. “FKF10” will help you not spend as much

[@heeebeeegeeebeee]

@@faithkillsfear Nice, thanks for the code.

[@GunsmithBeard]

First Like, First Comment... Awesomeness.

[@faithkillsfear]

And that’s why I love you 😘 😂 Thanks Homie!

[@ahmedreyes1176]

Is that the compact 15rd or the full size 17??

[@faithkillsfear]

It depends on which one you are referring to.

[@lojr2]

Have you had any issues with the groups opening up after the barrel being ported?

[@faithkillsfear]

No I haven’t experienced that.

[@lojr2]

@@faithkillsfear were your barrels also back bored when they milled them at Floyd’s ?

[@faithkillsfear]

@@lojr2 I believe so, but I don’t know the exact process he uses to ensure there’s no problems.

[@lojr2]

@@faithkillsfear I know at one point they just milled the ports. And sometime the decided to back bore the internal barrel up to the ports to prevent spalding from the jacket. Either way the look awesome and seem to run equally as well. Thanks again

[@Noneyurbusiness]

Dude you are out of your mind if you think that trigger is better than a stock Gen 5

[@faithkillsfear]

I guess I’m out of my mind 😂

[@mi_cheap_guns2925]

Even the biggest fanboys know better than that.

[@CarelessVagabond]

Any triggers without the "safety blade" or whatever tf it's called...? 🤕

[@mi_cheap_guns2925]

Timney has a flattish, slightly hinged competition style trigger without a blade trigger safety for the M&P 2.0.

[@Lakes09]

What holster are you using?

[@faithkillsfear]

I use a AIWB kydex holster from Legacy Firearms Co holsters. If you want, you can use “faithkillsfear10” to save 10%

[@Lakes09]

@@faithkillsfear I was wondering which holster did you have on when you were shooting splits? A safariland? if so what model?

[@faithkillsfear]

@@Lakes09 oooh! Gotcha! It is a Safariland model 6360RDS Level three on a mid drop mount and their QLS system.

[@Lakes09]

@@faithkillsfear Thank you