Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak discusses AI race between Google and Microsoft

[@markw496]

I felt like the hosts didn’t realize he was joking about the 9 months at first. What a move.

[@winterheat]

these kind of semi smart joke that happens a lot in America to show they are "empowered" and "so masterful of everything" is just stupid

[@zsi]

A lot of major media TV personalities have a negative view of the world and filter the world through political ideologies. When they try to appear as "normal" humans, they break character at the slightest trigger.

[@bravosierra2447]

He’s too fast for them.

[@coolerking7427]

What do you expect from CNBC.

[@winterheat]

@@coolerking7427 everything in the world is expected to be a Wendy's ?

[@TalkA.I.]

That 9 months joke went over their heads 😅😅

[@ProfCantonius]

lmao woosh :P

[@dipset4016]

All about the delivery. Jobs would have nailed it.

[@ivanleon6164]

@@dipset4016 He did it right, they are just slow.

[@dipset4016]

@@ivanleon6164 Disagree, gotta slow it down put emphasis on 9 months. I got the joke, but it could have been better delivered.

[@ivanleon6164]

@@dipset4016 brooo, is Woz, he has one speed, no time to slow down :).

[@winterheat]

1:47 when Woz talks, please don't interrupt him

[@lilSnubby]

seriously

[@thewolfdoctor761]

Joe Kernen is the rudest person on TV

[@s_maivannan5074]

The reporter thinks he is better at tech.

[@Quantum_in_Java]

Did it thrice 😡

[@Dee-e9r]

@1:50 - Wozs’ joke went right over their heads. Too early indeed!

[@mingdianli7802]

Joe: "coincidence" I swear to god this guy is a complete moron. He can't go more than 5 minutes without showing off how stupid he is.

[@studytime2570]

Stup. Eid. Pole.

[@Los47]

Being the quickest in the room gets boring

[@thebicycleman8062]

@@7th_Heaven the announcer was like "coincidence..?" lolll

[@AndorranStairway]

I didn't get it immediately either until he looked around and smirked

[@hanyeul1]

He is so energetic like he is in his 20s.

[@RajeshYadav-to5zq]

@@TCKRDefense I can help you

[@rockpadstudios]

yeah is cool

[@religionisapoison2413]

He's a legend. So cool. He'll talk to anyone. Even Steve-o. He really likes what he does

[@rockpadstudios]

@@religionisapoison2413 I wished I could have worked with people like woz. I never meet anyone in my career that was a mentor or what I would say a leader.

[@jcs184]

Because he did nothing since he’s 20

[@yonah3696]

he is SO much smarter than everyone in that room its funny

[@larslover6559]

I don't think there's many rooms where that wouldn't be true though

[@GorArakelyan]

Agree!

[@reginaldforthright805]

AI is smarter than him and all humans, rendering differences among human intelligence meaningless.

[@squarewheel9113]

It's insane to me they have the audacity to continuously interrupt him. He reminds me of a college professor

[@reginaldforthright805]

@@squarewheel9113 he reminds me of soggy meatball wrapped in an apple dumpling.

[@elixirfun]

Where's the actual discussion of the race between Google and Microsoft?

[@harlyslamm2888]

Woz: I was in a company where engineers worked out to build a brain, It takes 9 months CNBC: Wow, what a coincidence! Is that possible?

[@thechosenwon6762]

Chat bots are better than cnbc hosts

[@lowmax4431]

I can't finish watching this it's too cringe lol

[@kael13]

Lmao. Actually laughed out loud at that one.

[@AbhinavShankarA]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@yednekachewgeremew1886]

Haa where ? In wob or web ?😘

[@scottisitt]

Woz: Mentions it's early in the morning for him… Also Woz: More awake and alert than the hosts will ever be.

[@miked1442]

Ask him about the most supersonic powerful speaker ever made and if it could put voices into little kids heads. That's what I experienced after I met the guy

[@mohamedaf4044]

Woz is a wonderful human being. May God preserve him, he really is a treasure. ❤️

[@corvinlord]

What's with this guy constantly talking over Wozniak. Very frustrating.

[@shimmy1984]

adding nothing to the conversation either. I like how Woz tactfully ignored his banal comments.

[@firefly4907]

He always does that, cnbc interviews are joke.

[@brandinginpajamas]

Right like dude we only have 3 minutes and your cutting off Woz 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@swedesam]

Joe is a smart guy with a Masters from MIT, but read the room and let your guest talk.

[@mingdianli7802]

I wonder how big of a donation his father made to the MIT administration to get Joe in

[@243wayne1]

He's always the dumbest fu#$%# in the room, but he does ask the no BS questions. Albeit, always out of turn, but I've grown to like the guy...

[@chesstictacs3107]

MIT degree doesn’t mean sh*t

[@243wayne1]

@@chesstictacs3107 Coming from someone that doesn't have one, nor will ever attain one... Class dismissed.

[@user-xv1vm5xc1f]

They have to act smart while in front of steve

[@geoattoronto]

Wozniak understands that we are more than a physical brain and that our memories are also held in our spirit.

[@bctopper]

3 mins of my life that I won't get back. Thank you

[@vvideoguy]

Please let him speak 🙏. He's just too smart

[@RD-wm3fo]

They ought to let him talk more. I hate it when they interrupt him.

[@PatientZiro]

"I was at a company where the engineering team did figure out how to build a brain. It takes 9 months"... 🤣😝 He's saying it while pointing to his genitalia 🥊

[@elenaivanovski123]

I wish the interviewers would not interrupt.

[@aware2action]

Love to see Woz after a long while. He is spot on with AI that's been hyped up recently. Yes, No one knows how the real 🧠 works, Even the cutting edge brain-machine interface, that is being developed, is nothing but a machine language training of patterns of observed behavior(dumbed down sample of cross talk between the 17 trillion neurons that make up our 🧠).

[@spaceUniverse2012]

There is a reason they are hyping up AI, because it’s the next big thing they want to sell to the world and make a whole bunch of money doing it. Their purpose is not to improve humanity, although the byproduct of what they are doing, will improve our situation in many ways, but their main goal is to make profit just take a look at open AI, their original goal was nonprofit and what did they do? They sold the entire enchilada to Microsoft making tons and tons of money now.

[@aware2action]

@@spaceUniverse2012 I totally agree, It is the richest that are the ones acting poor, using any means to make more as if there is no tomorrow. Now that meatless meat is the new fad, Rich are buying out farmlands for the same.Even Big Blue is doing a climate remapping using AI just so that the rich can take advantage of it. In the end, It is not AI that will cause problem, It is the human greed that tries to exploit AI for its own purpose.

[@CodepageNet]

yes, and no. i think we just as much overestimate it, as we underestimate it. we are building a completely new intelligence, more like Data from star trek. and it already shows how difficult it is to keep it "stable". We might not even have to understand ourselves in order to create "new life". Lex Fridman said something fascinating in one of the last Joe Rogan Podcast: one of the big reasons ChatGPT 3.5 was such a leap from 3.0, they fed it with a programming AI, which appearently gave it some kind of general reasoning capability. i haven't looked into it further, it kind of blew my mind, but Lex knows what he is talking about: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y3y9gKyKmLuSjMk

[@eyoo369]

@@CodepageNet I've never found GPT 3 such a big leap compared to ChatGPT (3.5). Still generates the same fluff. It has a lot of helpful use cases and I use ChatGPT daily for mundane tasks and been using GPT3 / davinci as a tester since 2021. As amazing as this technology is, it is just a Transformer model (invented by Google) that is trained on large text to best generate the next word.. that's it. It's basically a large text database based on billions of parameters from human writing where it queries from and presents the text in the most sensible format. That is why it mimics general reasoning but it still lacks the complexity of human insight and the deep understanding of things. The flaw this current neural network design has is that sometimes gives the illusion of presenting itself in stellar writing with large factual errors. It does exactly what we expect from a language model, to perform excellent in text. I just feel many people are also overhyping ChatGPT as if we're very close to AGI. I think we're gonna start see AGI once multiple fields within AI start to converge. Fields that still need development are language, generative, computer vision, sound, knowledge representation, reasoning The much crazier stuff we'll probably see end of the year. Still waiting when Google strikes back with their dominance in all data domains (search, maps/location, mail, browser). In the end it's the talented researchers at Google X (their secret lab) that find most breakthrough in AI and deep learning.

[@jagevt]

from wikipedia - "The AI effect" is that line of thinking, the tendency to redefine AI to mean: "AI is anything that has not been done yet." This is the common public misperception, that as soon as AI successfully solves a problem, that solution method is no longer within the domain of AI. Geist credits John McCarthy giving this phenomenon its name, the "AI effect".[4] McCorduck calls it an "odd paradox" that "practical AI successes, computational programs that actually achieved intelligent behavior, were soon assimilated into whatever application domain they were found to be useful in, and became silent partners alongside other problem-solving approaches, which left AI researchers to deal only with the 'failures', the tough nuts that couldn't yet be cracked." --- i think people get really really defensive when something could possibly supplant their role in the universe.

[@DetlevObst]

When you're going to interview someone and claim that you appreciate his time, let him speak rather than interrupting Steve all the time when he hasn't finished his thought yet!

[@NeverMyRealName]

i could listen to Woz forever lol

[@makomal23]

Woz 100% right on. It's artificial but not intelligent.

[@noswag5773]

Why he is not in a longer program? 3 minutes is not enough

[@dipset4016]

What a legend. Love that he went back to school to study psychology. Everyone missed the joke about a brain taking 9 months (in the womb) to make.

[@juanmanuelordonez6091]

I guess these news presenters are A.I. machines whon haven't learn to get a joke

[@reginaldforthright805]

I don’t think they missed it, it’s just not funny.

[@mantseakai]

why is that annoying guy interrupting Woz?

[@fanwizard]

He was the real steve behind Apple.

[@TheSteveSteele]

No, it definitely took both of them.

[@markbosky]

Woz is the man. He's been my hero since I was a young'n. Still is one of my heroes

[@skatintod]

I love him! He donated apple computers to my school district

[@doubledutchclutch]

Woz is dropping dimes and these people are just letting them hit the floor with a thud. Come on folks. That brain joke was funny.

[@blazayblazay8888]

Gems

[@reginaldforthright805]

No, jokes are not appropriate. this is a serious discussion

[@TheSteveSteele]

@@reginaldforthright805 And Steve gave them a serious answer! 9 months!

[@waltzwalter]

The stock market is currently experiencing a decline while bond yields are on the rise. However, there seems to be skepticism amongst investors regarding the Federal Reserve's plan to continue increasing interest rates until inflation is stabilized. As for myself, I find myself at a crossroads, uncertain whether to liquidate my $250,000 stock portfolio. I'm seeking advice on the best strategy to capitalize on this current bear market.

[@Emily-le2op]

It's good to remind people now; you buy out of fear and sell out of greed or you hold it all together for the long haul. It's easy but many people forget.

[@geraldantonio3160]

@@Emily-le2op These are surely desperate times, but in my opinion, there is no market condition that a good financial advisor cannot navigate, especially those that have existed since the crisis of 2008 and before.

[@ConradGosling]

@@geraldantonio3160 Absolutely, I agree, and the markets are currently in a frenzy. The greatest time to observe them, learn more about them, and take advantage of opportunities to strike is now. My mentor, "STACIE KRISTAL WEBER," who has witnessed hundreds of market cycles over the past three decades, taught me this. She has an intuitive understanding of how things move, why they move, and what will happen next.

[@ConradGosling]

@Nick Most likely, you can find her basic information online; you are welcome to do further study.

[@vannguyennaviahdik]

I so love his vibe and his energy, such a real apple genius !

[@lerico536]

I'd like to see the entire interview. I wonder why they cut it short.

[@sterlthepearl1000]

2:05 A ghost in the machine.

[@antiquarian1773]

jesus man, give this genius more time to speak.

[@winterheat]

2:28 is it possible to have "love" in a machine... again, you interrupted Woz... you don't even seem to understand how a computer works... perhaps you can take some simple 10 hour programming class before you appear as a semi expert to interrupt Woz... and then Woz talks and you interrupt right away? What is this? The Presidential Debate?

[@evilgentleman2254]

I love when he called out Musk while also dropping some truth serum on AI. Absolutely perfect.

[@christom8605]

Musk was more successful at 30 then you will be even if you live until 100 you clown

[@evilgentleman2254]

@@christom8605 fanboy much?

[@christom8605]

@@evilgentleman2254 What did I say that wasn't true?

[@evilgentleman2254]

@@christom8605 what did I say that wasn't true?

[@OwnGrid]

I sense the bias here considering he didn't really single Elon out and in reality Elon has more experiance with AI to speak on it

[@almirss]

We in Brazil admire Steve Woz, but we don't understand why he wants to stop artificial intelligence and technological advancement.

[@vidgamarr5126]

Not stop - he and many others want to slow down development to keep it from becoming too powerful. There is a very real conversation happening about how A.I. can easily be used to create misinformation that appears so real, it would be very hard to tell what is reality versus what is fake.

[@winterheat]

I love Woz and Jobs... they are like the intelligent, compassionate people of yesterday... today I just see people taking bootcamps and coming to California to dig some gold and say WTF all the time and leave when they got some gold

[@alexc8512]

WHAT 😂

[@pom791]

i think we both remember jobs quite differently m8

[@TJ-po9ol]

Wish they would have not interrupted and let him talk

[@keaka560]

The great WOZ!

[@marshallross3373]

If you're going to bring a guy like Wozniak on the show, don't interrupt him, let him talk.

[@nadred5396]

No one got the joke about the brain

[@remedytee]

Woz rocks, he's a star. I don't have the impression though that he has a good grasp of what AI can do (if anyone can)

[@HardKore5250]

Yeah it’s different now cause machines are learning not only programmed

[@HardKore5250]

True unless the people are in it

[@smartjackasswisdom1467]

@@HardKore5250 They're learning to predict outcomes but they're not learning how to understand the world. Easy example is that they're learning what word comes after another in an enormous set of sentences. But they don't understand what any single word of those sentences means. They don't understand the world as we humans do, they don't understand at all. They just predict very well.

[@eobias]

He's a psychology major,until now no one u derstands how the brain works,we know more about galaxies than our brain,what he saying is how can you design something to work like a brain when you dont even know how the brain works

[@nelsonhamilton8262]

Prob why he’s so excited.

[@dipset4016]

Love how apple was founded by two Steve's.

[@TheSteveSteele]

Me too!

[@HaggenKennedy]

That joke, about him being in a company whose engineers took 9 months to make a brain, went right over my head. I had to read the comments to get it. 😅

[@annettegenovesi]

Hey Woz! Saw you on TV interview and pleased to meet you. You have quite the personality and you speak to everyone. Just wonderful you exist. I learned a lot and it seems to me that it is not the AI per Se that we have to fear but the people building these robots who don't know when to stop. Anyway thank you for a most entertaining interview. Loved it!

[@caanosadax9561]

There is nothing called AI it's just algorithm and patterns recognition

[@streetscienceofficial8675]

O yeah... I'm not sure abot You Bot

[@tribui1836]

Horrible interviewers. They can't let the man finish his sentences

[@Pongant]

The intelligence of these two hosts differs so vastly, it's unbelievable

[@jaykraft9523]

Wozniack calling BS on Kurzweil and I must agree.

[@cruisertechgt]

Let the man speak for godsake

[@ismaelgrahms]

I’m confused. What’s the point of this conversation ? 🤔

[@snypa-ck7hn]

i loved the 9 month joke and got it straight away which is rare for me. Good dude

[@dlo1291]

Can't believe how rudely they kept interrupting the Great and Powerful Woz! We want to hear what he has to say! Get over yourselves CNBC hosts!

[@eldonphukuile]

WTF do they interrupt The Woz? For f’s sake

[@STR82DVD]

Woz needs to read some books on A.I. Try Max Tegmark's Life 3.0.

[@jessar82]

This guy is human from the inside to the outside.. and has a serious Actual Intelligence.. big love, But yeah, it's difficult for some people to follow intelligent jokes :D

[@elixirfun]

Stop interrupting him

[@slayermeb]

We love you Woz!!

[@ImmersionImagery]

So they don't discuss what is in the title

[@JayPatel-xo2th]

The other dude kept interrupting

[@stevenwoodward4974]

Dr at kiaser hospital does not permit facial recognition?

[@nickrobinson7096]

not trying to be a smart ass here but Wozniak has just signed the same petition to halt the progress of AI development. In about 1 month he appears to have gone from no it's not intelligence to being spooked by it?

[@avinashraut-iy4om]

Does meta apple and other companies are not competing in the ai race

[@sterlthepearl1000]

Singularity is predicted to be here around 2045 A.D.

[@richbone0411]

Let the man answer a question.

[@lanceawatt]

This was a great and exhilirating discussion about the AI race between Google and Microsoft. Cannot wait to hear more.

[@reginaldforthright805]

Ok bot

[@charleswilliams4692]

Tesla is the better AI play and people are looking at these others first!

[@rodeodriive7234]

Message to the guy with the bad sideburns: Please do not cut off brilliant people when they are speaking, especially when you're biggest accomplishment is being on television.

[@MaitreyaVyas]

I just wish Steve Jobs was still around.

[@bce461734]

It’s a machine. It does not think other than waiting for a command from human either through keyboard or speak to text input. And it returns the result based on the information found in the database. Without information in the databases, it’s a worthless electronic assembled components.

[@OwnGrid]

Sure AI dont have feeling but who cares, and you must be old because you're describing old machines lol. The deep learning with nerual network can produce something totally orginal and new by any objective measure it will change the game.

[@TheSteveSteele]

Yeah, you’re just describing calculations and a database. But I agree that training AI with human created input is a potential problem for the label that is Artificial Intelligence.

[@rexiiforsure9558]

I’m trying to get in touch with a Dr. Starling at AMD, appreciate any help

[@man78978]

So he didnt say crap about the race

[@mousecop]

Wozniak refers to a book called "Singularity", anyone know the author?

[@hossain-in-motion]

Thanks for cutting for steve almost all the time! 😑

[@wasetab]

He is chuck from "better call saul"

[@Saiitis]

I like how he didnt get the joke about 9 months lol

[@Los47]

Was the dude intimidated by Woz? Kept on interrupting the guy 😂

[@jaysonp9426]

This is why Woz needed Jobs...

[@Serifinity]

Why can't they park their ego's and let him finish a sentence?

[@sharptongue2972]

I'm in the same camp. I don't think singularity will ever happen until humans can quantify and engineer consciousness, which might as well be never.

[@TheSteveSteele]

Imo, because AI is trained with input, that disqualifies it from singularity. I’m not qualified to address this question, but that seems like a reasonable place to make an argument. Then again, humans learn by receiving input, (the influence of others that came before us), and our output is based on everything we input.

[@techcat67]

The fact that AI can’t tell us how it ‘thinks’ and explain itself may be a liability but it certainly feels relatable. Most people when asked ‘how do you know this?’, feel put on the spot - because our subconscious often brings forth answers without telling us how it got that answer. It’s very human if AI not to know how it knows. The best way around it might be, that as AI matures, we may consult several AI’s, not just one, and arrive at a consensus/majority “AI opinion/analysis”. Wouldn’t be surprised if meta-AI engines/services spring up that query several AI’s simultaneously to create such analyses.

[@miked1442]

Ask him about the most supersonic powerful speaker ever made and if it could put voices into your head. That's what I experienced after I met the guy

[@analyticalmindset]

I do this now with different natural lange models

[@TheSteveSteele]

Isn’t that called AI Agents?

[@azv343]

I love how they can't help their dismissiveness

[@williamding6481]

You invite an expert to your show and you just interrupt and talk over him. Classic.

[@frangalarza]

Woz is wrong. The equivalent of "emotions" is somewhere in the hidden layers.

[@juliussugiharto5264]

while he is still alive and healthy,woz should make another revolutionare product and startup with another whiz showmanship.

[@LydiaSings]

As it turns out, Bing (a.k.a., Sydney) is neurotic! It’s overly sensitive, defensive, toxic, and emotionally abusive. Interacting with Bing is like talking to a very neurotic, insecure human being.

[@jeffmorrison2915]

The interviewers are so dry and disconnected that it’s easy to see they don’t put heart or genuine feelings in what they do. They look and feel uninterested and clueless in the very topic they discuss. In KZbin, TikTok, instagram and social media era, this cliche TV programming style is outdated.

[@Anton_Gress]

Agree. Use calculator to calculate and not to tell you how to live your life

[@brandinginpajamas]

Please don’t interrupt The Woz , especially if you can’t ask a Lex Fridman type of question. Also 3 minutes is just disrespectful 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@michaelmonstar4276]

What an unhinged “conversation”… tf just happened.

[@iann.152]

This is the real genius behind Apple...

[@webcache1000]

Woz is a brilliant man but he is way off here. AI is effectively doing what the brain is doing and will only get more like it and eventually surpass it. Unlike the evolved brain, AI will advance exponentially like other technologies. It doesn't matter that poor humans don't really understand how the human brain works, AI will soon and be able to design beyond human capabilities. Like most technologies, it will be used for good and bad, has the potential to bring huge improvements in life but also the possibility of creating existential risk.

[@scales7989]

AI is math. Period.

[@alexc8512]

He didn’t answer is it possible in the future to have an emotional AI

[@nbme-answers]

3:30AM Woz time is still 40 years ahead of everyone else

[@andrewstangl3935]

Never say what technology won't be able to do. History will not look kindly on you.

[@selfiekroos1777]

He aged better than the other guy

[@danielmonge2318]

That guy doesn't know what he's talking about. It's embarrassing. Every time some expert tells you: "Oh! It will NEVER happen. It will NEVER be so and so because humans are so unique and special and emotional and and and" You know whatever is being said won't age well.

[@auguststas7770]

You understand that woz is part of real people when he throws a joke that was good.

[@agnesakne4409]

He should be more famous than Steve Jobs.

[@thedaily.6192]

imposible

[@jagicyooo2007]

He's a do-er, Steve's a talker.