Apple Power Macintosh 8600 Tour, Teardown & Analogue Video Capture/Editing Demonstration

In this video we take a look at my Power Macintosh 8600/200. We will take the machine apart to see how it's built, fire it up and take a look at it running then try out the analogue video capture and video editing functionality of this machine.
Specs:
200MHz PowerPC 604e
64mb EDO RAM
2gb Seagate SCSI HDD
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[@totallypixelated]

Brings back memories of publishing the Daily Record and Sunday Mail on these and various other 603 and 604 PowerPC Macs. Not the most inspiring of designs but these machines were workhorses, earning their keep when newspapers were still relevant!

[@danwood_uk]

Love your videos Cameron, really interesting. Keep up the good work!

[@58allendavis]

I have one of these which I upgraded the CPU with a Sonnet G3 running at 500 MHz, installed 768 MB of RAM and have two 27 GB internal SCSI HDs. I never installed OS X because it was a VERY involved process so I never bothered with that. It runs Mac OS 9.2 like a scared rabbit. Booting is a little slow because the 8600 has to recognized the Sonnet CPU. I love this machine. Video and audio work is awesome, although my A/V software is dated. I'd love to install USB and FireWire if I could find a PCI card. After seeing this video, I might give installing an old version of OS X on it after all. Since I'm retired, this might be a way to spend an afternoon!

[@JaredConnell]

It runs mac os 9 like a scared rabbit? Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

[@TuNnL]

@@JaredConnell I have this same question. What kind of video editing software runs on OS9? I literally bought Mac over PC to use Final Cut Pro 7 (I have the studio suite). The Apple website claims it requires at least Mac OS 10.6 (Snow Leopard), but there seems to be many people running it on OS 10.5.8 (Leopard) with no issue. Would love to hear from anyone who has edited using FCP7 on Sorbet Leopard (10.5.9). 🍎

[@laboye]

I remember these machines from elementary and middle school too. I read somewhere that the built-in speaker switches to a 'subwoofer mode' when you plug in a set of speakers.

[@JulianaChahayed]

Hi!! I was able to get video in with my RCA in! Do you know how to mirror my screen or use the RCA out to capture the screen on modern computer (i tried putting it into a capture card and opening it in obs but nothing shows up)

[@cascalheira]

So many fond memories of this machine. Back in the day I've played a lot of Unreal Tournament on this machine (using a Voodoo 5 5500 PCI - PC version with the mac firmware flashed). Thanks for the trip down the memory lane.

[@srarcade]

I remember using all this stuff in high school and I genuinely loved the old beige power macs. We had to do video projects using the same software, wow was it pathetic! And this was the 604e model to boot! Kids don't even know how good they have it today.

[@studiopapa5874]

Shut up.

[@yobama5288]

Studio Papa Why don’t you

[@transitengineer]

This is an excellent video! A few months ago, I took a trip down "Memory Lane" and picked up from an Ebay seller the first apple computer that, I ever owned which was a 5500/250 "All-In-One". During the mid-2000's when the built in monitor on this model died on me, I made sure to remove the apple video card and apple TV/FM radio card with remote control. Therefore, after loading in 20 year old software and my saved apple cards, I also used my old Sony HandyCam to record and edit video. In addition, I also recorded TV and radio shows ...just like I did back during 1998.

[@demonicsweaters]

I love these old Powermacs, I had a few back in the day. Great systems.

[@droolerdork]

This is a great teardown video! Good shots and explanations on how to get inside

[@Stevel_]

Great video; thank you! Have one in my basement now with a Sonnett G3 500mhz card, 3Dfx Voodoo 3 graphics card, and tons of games and programs on it. This helped learn more about the machine so greatly appreciated!

[@burtholiday1573]

Another great video, thanks for taking the time to make them!

[@PROSTO4Tabal]

Excellent video, I use one of iMac's 3 at school in 1999. I finished my classworks usually quicker than others due to interest in computers back in the day and got Quake cd from my teacher to keep my busy at the end of classes, great times

[@Shiunbird]

Man, this brings back some memories. I have back in my home country a 6500/300, maxed out. I should bring it over one day. Unfortunately, the only thing I don't have for it is the capture card. Someone at my place connected it to the wrong voltage, so I need to fix or repair the power supply. When I purchased it back in 2003 or 2004 it had all the productive software installed: Premiere, Macromedia, Photoshop. I formatted it without giving it much of a thought and never managed to restore it to its former glory. But it was amazing. I used it as my main computer for a year, and the my mom still used it as her main computer until 2008 or so, more than ten years after the machine was released. I actually could run The Sims 1 there, even though it's below the requirements (G3). It would take forever to load, but afterwards it was quite playable! I also liked the sound system - it sounded quite ok, and if you had external speakers connected, the interla computer speaker would work as a subwoofer. You could try some classic games in it. =)

[@AVINIDE]

Classic Mac startup sound

[@alerey4363]

Man your accent is totally alien to non-native English speakers and you make it even worst talking so fast ; I had to put the closed captions on

[@alienrefugee51]

I would've loved to have had one of these back in the early 90's.

[@Waccoon]

When I was in college, this is the exact model we used in the computer lab and our art classes. They were the worst computers I'd ever used, especially when trying to run Netscape (which would never stop loading a page no matter how many times you clicked "Stop"). I regularly complained that my $600 home-built PC blew this thing out of the water both in utility and performance. I would regularly walk out of lab class, go to my dorm, do my work on the PC, walk back to class, and load up my project from a ZIP disk and still get my work done faster than everyone else. Even worse, the Mac couldn't multitask when printing a document, and that was a productivity killer when you had to use a shared printer. The "smart" labs had a dedicated multi-thousand dollar Mac just as a print server!

[@murphytheturtle8968]

the equivalent processor to the 604e is the pentium pro, which cost around 500 by itself. Your piece of shit pc didn't have video in. You have 0 idea what you're talking about.

[@alexanderwingeskog758]

I'm actually agreeing with Murphy the turtle, but I had a similar experience with you Wacoon never the less... My school computer "lab" had custom "nordic" computers which used the 80186. It had an OS not that far from MS-DOS but a bit better, still horrible though... and we did get programming assignment for our tests and I just refused and said I could this way much better if you just let me use a C64 (which we had, only 1 though with a normal CRT monitor)... and if I recall correctly we had to use Comal (yes not Cobol, but Comal)... Found a Comal interpreter on the C64 and started to program a paint program on it (with the Comal language) instead of the singel circle/square assignment...and my computer/computing teacher gave me the highest marks... But anyway... the 604e PowerPC was far better then most of the contemporary things out there when it arrived, Apple OS sucked it dry though... 80186 was faster then the C64 also in many respects... but the OS sucked balls and raw programming skills made a huge difference...

[@murphytheturtle8968]

@@alexanderwingeskog758 kids like @Waccoon are too young and just follow internet tropes about platforms. That fucking kid doesn't know what bus speed his machine ran at, or it's architecture etc. They don't even know how MS almost destroyed the internet with IE6 and activeX.

[@jadamsnz]

Without saying the year your comment was based on it is meaningless.

[@HuSerrVVVF]

@@jadamsnz yes

[@wendileona]

My first Mac, running Mac OS 7.6.1 but at the time Mac OS 8 had just come out and I received the free upgrade and it was glorious! Brans new with matching 17 Apple Display, I fondly remember the elegance and cleanliness of the fresh BEIGE color and casing. And I remember Mac OS 8 and then 8.1, 8.5, 8.6 all running very fast on the 8600.

[@Zakalwe-01]

Very interesting. Fascinating to compare this machine to the NeXT machine you showcased previously.

[@camerongray1515]

Thanks! There's a video involving this machine alongside the NeXT in the works so stay tuned for that!

[@davelowe1977]

When I was in primary school, we had many fundraising events to buy the school's first computer: a BBC model B.

[@Sonu666]

BEST COMPUTER saw many used in banks ages ago

[@3top5]

Thank you. We have one like this that we depend on. This video helped us to clean ours out.

[@bundesautobahn7]

Our first Mac was a Performa 5300 (which had a TV card for PAL/SECAM analogue television in Europe), then when my father moved here to Costa Rica almost a year after we moved, he brought a Powermac 6400 or 6500 (I don't remember the exact model, but I know it's one of those because of the tower). That's our history with PowerPC Macs, we did have (in the 68k category) a very old monochrome Powerbook (which I believe we gave away to a relative) and a colour Powerbook that basically fell apart when we wanted to sell it to a Swiss acquaintance of ours in the early 2000s.

[@raysrcsandtech]

Brings it back, my first Mac at home was the 8500/120 :) used a Quadra 700 at work

[@maboroshi1986]

oh man i remember using IE3 and 4 for ages, up til about 2003 i think, i remember you actually had to type in http:\\ all the time because it didn't do it automatically. that adobe warning also brought back some annyoing memories of the old web. in some parts i miss the old web, it was like the wild west. it always seemed like there was something wonderful behind every corner. but there were no standards yet so tons of the content on the web was off limits because you didn't have the right plug in that's only on netscape or something. also i love your hardware videos, keep it up man.

[@ElysiumNZ]

The computers I used at school were mostly LC IIIs, LC 500, couple of performers and Mac Classics.

[@AttilaSVK]

I had a Power Macintosh 8500/180 about 12 years ago, which I could not get to work properly. It always froze, no matter was version of Mac OS I was trying to run on it, no matter what amount of RAM I used, etc., so it mostly had a defective logic board. In many things it's very similar to the 8600. Later, in 2007 I sold my PC to get a Power Mac G4 MDD (the dual 1.25 GHz one) and have been a Mac user since then...

[@big8news]

My old high school back in the late 1990s add these computers and they act Clariswork on them too. I remember 4.1 version of it. I used make maps and things on it.

[@TheColinputer]

Its funny you mention about the ADB using the same connector as S video. Back in the day i had one of the apple keyboard which used had the 2 ADB ports. One on each side. Well me wanting a longer keyboard cable went and bought a 2m or something s video cable and just used that! Worked flawlessly haha

[@disklamer]

6:58 that big "blank" space was usable for storage expansion. I think you could fit up to 4 drives, IIRC there were 3d party RAID kits available.

[@gentuxable]

SCSI was better in the early days because file operations generated less CPU load. But by 1997 everybody should've got DMA and Bus Master on their IDE drives anyway.

[@filipmac1545]

Good work

[@NintendoGamer2600]

The AUI connector is actually the same connector as the D-Terminal connector in Japan, which is a video connecter that usually carries yPbPr, aka component video

[@daqwan]

great video man i just picked up a 8600/300 im really a windows guy but ive been thinking about doing a hackintosh so i wanted to see what all the parts in this machine were for im just going to use the case for the retro effect all the internal i will replace with new things

[@ShiggitayMediaProductions]

Holy crap. So nostalgic. I remember using Premiere Pre-CS (creative suite). It was so primitive... Nowadays effects like transitions etc are done in real-time either via CPU or GPU, so watching you having to export the entire thing for the transition to be rendered was nostalgic as crap. Have you tried hitting the 'enter' key in the Construction Window with the preview range set (that yellow-red bar)? I think it should allow an in-Premiere render? I don't quite remember if that works or not.

[@jeremytravis360]

You will find that if you increase the amount of video ram to 2 mb the capture size can be increased and video works better. It's nice to see these old machines working.

[@justice6370]

cameron i used one of these with AVID cards installed in 1997. It was great- with the nubus card it could do betacamsp full video editing. The AVID addons gave it if i recall RAID and some 4 hard disks

[@egmccann]

I used to have a bunch of older Macs, including this generation and the beige G3 (all the way back to LCII/LCIIIs, IIsi, Quadra 700s, pizza box 6100s... ) Loved the (basically) toolless cases at the time, versus getting into my PCs at the time. (And my last system... I'd have loved the side terminal for the case wall fans, the power cables were annoying.) I miss the days where Apple felt that this much access to the guts of your Mac was OK...

[@rommix0]

I just bought one of these. I was debating because I have a desk I use my MacBook Pro on, but I'm not comfortable enough to put my Power Mac 7500 on it (which is not a tower computer but an outrigger type as they called it). It should solve the problem regarding space issues. I'm probably gonna sell off the 7500 once I beef up the 8600 with PCI cards I already got along with the Sonnet Crescendo G3.

[@MaddTheSane]

3:15 Minor note: the port you mentioned as AUI is actually an **A**AUI: A Mac variant with different power voltage (5V vs. 12). There were AAUI-to-AUI adaptors, though. 5:25 I had a G3 tower, and it didn't have a fan there. In fact, the only green I remember is

[@willrun4fun]

A cool addition to this video would be a timed encoding of the same video on a modern Apple computer just to show how slow it really is. I never got to use a Mac in this vintage. I skipped from a Mac Classic in High School to a white intel MacBook later in life.

[@raskolnikov9067]

I used to dream about those machines. Could not afford it as a kid. :(

[@ozguroyus]

8-bit Guy would retrobrite the heck out of this thing

[@Vlamat67]

Nice your video; In Premiere you should try pressing the Enter key to render. The PowerPC 604e should have sufficient power to do quite quickly. In the past I saw a car so used to mount television documentaries. I have a Power Mac Blue and White with CPU G3 at 300MHz (very stable 400MHz overclok) with original video card and 512Mb of ram. I have to try an acquisition card, the RTMAC Edition, but I don't know yet if on this system you can work

[@nicolabrunetti5636]

Gran bella macchina. Tra poco vado in cantina a vedere se funziona ancora..

[@MrAzztech]

loved the original apple logo lol

[@danielrhodes7594]

Hi, Is there any way to get some close up pictures of both sides of your L2 Cache memory and Vram as my 8600 came with none. That way I know what to look for when I am trying to find it. Thank you.

[@TheSteveSteele]

I think I had an 8100 at this point, but bought a beige G3 tower next. I was working at the Motorola Oakridge faculty where the PPC Planing division lived. I thought the Apple/IBM/Motorola Alliance was pretty cool during its heyday. Also had a dual 603 BeBox that Motorola gave me (nobody knew what to do with it!). Btw, I’m looking for a fairly clean Apple Quadra 840AV or Quadra 650 if anyone in the US reading this has one for sale or for shipping costs. I have a few old 68k software reviews to do. Thanks!

[@stackerliew]

This is classic.

[@michaelsanders5815]

Thanks for showcasing that. As you say this was an era of Apple we'd like to forget. I had checked out of Mac at that point and never saw the inside. The Appletalk warning and a lot of the other wacky things you saw we're really the result of Apple not caring to fix that. That had been around for so long I can't tell you. But It's because the code for that was so old it was from the 80's hardware serial support. No one ever rewrote the code. And just kept cranking out product. Not unlike the i-Phone of today is said to be like. But I bought a Mac Mini a while back. So what does that say for my common sense.

[@TheCj71984]

i just transferred a 8500 motherboard looks like the same layout as this one . i installed it in a 7200 case

[@M3G4UK]

Trivia: the analogue video card used a "personality slot" and was called the "Wings" card. Pretty cool!

[@madmax2069]

M3G4UK that was on the beige G3 systems, those used a personality card, the 8600 just used a ribbon cable connected to the logicboard. wisper personality card (which was just for sound, and comm slot) and wings personality cards (which was for audio and video as well as a comm slot), in the All in one Beige G3 the personality cards also handled the video signal to the built in monitor. the comm slot was for peripheral card like a dialup modem so you wouldn't have to take up a PCU slot for the card.

[@aaronlippincott7385]

one of the best channels on KZbin, thank _you_!

[@samsmith1580]

I worked on these beige macs in the 90s. They were good machines except for one thing,. The SCUZY connectors were terrible and regularly destroyed data on external hard disks. Daily backups were required but it was easy to lose a days work on these things.

[@egmccann]

*Nitpick* SCSI. Small Computer System Interface. Yes, pronounced "Scuzzy," but still. :)

[@lilorangefella]

my band teacher has one of these with the matching CRT as well as a couple of eMacs. I’m trying to convince him to sell them to Goodwill.

[@spacedbrute1156]

Cameron you are the best gime the five in to Colombia !!

[@HikikomoriDev]

Was it possible to capture higher quality video from the capture card in Premier or did you just capture it at that resolution just to get it done quick ?

[@rommix0]

I can answer that one. I was fiddling around with the video capture capabilities of my 7500/100, and yes the lower resolution the less it drops frames. Frames rate are better if you use an external PCI card like the ATI Xclaim VR Pro. It also has a lot to do with hard drive access times. Companies used to make "AV" type hard drives specifically for video capture. We've come a long way since then.

[@jamiemarchant]

These old computers definitely are different. The video captured was not bad, it would definitely "hold up" at the time.

[@kbhasi]

20:30 I understand. I would have liked to used Netscape navigator 4 (or one of the "Mozilla" navigator builds) if I had heard about it back then, but I was pretty much still a baby back then, and the only web browser I knew of back then was Internet explorer, and one of the very few websites I knew how to get to was an online game that I don't feel like naming but I closed my account there in 2008.

[@JoZf_Gibson]

Merci !!!!! Super vidéo Coule you tell us please where can we baught the VGA converter please ?

[@camerongray1515]

Unfortunately I was given the adapter along with the machine so unfortunately I don't know exactly what model it is. The type of adapter however is known as a DB15 to HD15 adapter so you may be able to find ones by looking that up. That said, I'm not sure how compatibility works, make sure you get one designed for connecting a VGA monitor to an old Mac, not one for connecting an old Mac monitor to a VGA machine as I can see both types available. Probably also worth ordering from somewhere that allows for easy returns in case the one you buy turns out not to work for what you need.

[@JoZf_Gibson]

@@camerongray1515 merci for your answer 👍🤗

[@VSigma725]

I wish my 9600 had a Zip drive, it's pretty well loaded otherwise! A ton of RAM, Rage 128 Pro video card, ATA card, Apple 10/100 Ethernet card...

[@AnonymousMultimedia]

CCG88 is doing a Sony wonder logo evolution today.

[@AppleReviews]

*it has Delta power supply - one of the BEST of that time!*

[@rommix0]

Absolutely. It beats out Aztec in performance and reliability. I recently replaced a dead Aztec supply with a Delta one for my 7500.

[@Dragon1276]

The RAM is installed incorrectly. It should be installed starting with B4/A4, then B3/A3, etc. Matching pairs will greatly speed up RAM access by turning it into a 128-bit wide memory bus and will enable interleaving (read and write at the same time).

[@DAVIDGREGORYKERR]

You can get a SCSI2IDE adaptor that will let you use that IDEZIP in the PowerPC mac, just google it, the unit won't boot unless you have the SCSIZIP unit, would that slot take a INTEL PENTIUM II Slot mounting MMX CPU might let you install OSX Sierra.

[@jamiemarchant]

I don't think you can mount just any CPU, I think it's a very proprietary slot. Besides, you would not have the ram or disk space.

[@andycraig7734]

I wonder if they had a high failure rate with the hard drive as it looks like a hot location.

[@rommix0]

Depends on the brand as Quantum drives were always known to fail.

[@kathrynradonich3982]

Should have put Classilla on for the web browser, run in System 8 - 10.4 (classic) and is awesome.

[@camerongray1515]

+Kathryn Radonich Yeah, will need to give it a go on this, I've used it before on my iBook G3 under OS 9.2.

[@kathrynradonich3982]

Cameron Gray I run it on my PowerBook G3 Pismo (with 500mhz G4 upgrade) and my 450mhz PowerMac G4running OS 8.6 dual booted with 10.3.9. runs like a charm on them all. Need to see if my PowerBook 5300CS works but can't find the power cord

[@KOSMOS1701A]

from a technical standpoint, can this computer support IDE hardware via a PCI- IDE Controller card, or is this machine stuck with SCSI?

[@58allendavis]

I'd like to hear an answer to that. I have a giant boat-load of 250 GB IDE hard drives in my closet, and I'd love to replace my two SCSI HDs if there were a PCI card to accommodate them.

[@mephitusincognito7918]

you would need to disable the rom on the ide card (the rom will expect intel cpu and pc bios) and still boot from scsi but it would be doable if you can find drivers for macos (good luck) or used yellowdog linux..

[@58allendavis]

Finding drivers wouldn't be the problem. Finding a PCI card for IDE/ATAPI is!!! The whole world is now using those damned PCI-e cards, useless for us old farts with aging hardware. You can't even find PCI cards for USB 3.0 and FireWire 800!

[@mephitusincognito7918]

www.amazon.com/Syba-Controller-Software-Component-SD-VIA-1A2S/dp/B002EL4RL6/ --- this is just one example among many on amazon... the problem is going to be the rom on the card since its going to look for an intel instead of a ppc cpu... ...there arent any jumpers on that board so its not going to be one to work but you could use it in an old pc... a usb 2.0 card would really be the best thing to plug into this board... could use external drives and other devices.. granted not fast but considering this thing is only 200mhz usb 2.0 is going to eat it alive anyway... great example here; www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-Port-Card-Adapter-PCIUSB7/dp/B002VY53ZK ... but again ... good luck with the drivers...

[@atesterman8633]

PCI cards exist for Firewire 800. You can still find new ones for sale on Amazon. www.amazon.co.uk/PCI-FIREWIRE-800-CARD-INSTRUMENTS/dp/B002UOWQQU StarTech among others have PCI USB 3.0 cards. www.amazon.co.uk/StarTech-com-Port-SuperSpeed-Adapter-Power/dp/B00AWP9LMG

[@klyted2454]

Can it run crysis?

[@dkhl02]

una super cachanga

[@X-OR_]

Just picked up one in the Box for $20.00 at the Ham Swap

[@wannabesmithy]

And here i was complaining to myself about editing on a 7 year old mac. I think im doing fine haha

[@Zestypanda]

Why would you blur out the serial? lmao. No one is going to steal that serial number, and it has no use to anyone...

[@TimurTripp2]

True, on a Mac of this age, it really doesn't matter anymore.

[@jrhinktown9171]

Cause it the right thing to do

[@camerongray1515]

It's not a serial number, it's a label with the contact details for the previous owner so would rather not publish their information online. I like to keep labels like that on my old machines however as it shows the history of it.

[@Moskito844]

@@jrhinktown9171 you are inteligen't

[@MsJinkerson]

what does the face symbol mean

[@psycho0815]

You asked why the case is so big even for the smaller revision of the motherboard and later in the video you don't know where to put the drives that could be connected to the second SCSI port. 🤔

[@user-zd8xz9qc6n]

Good sound！

[@tlawlor59]

I went to several schools n none ever had macs always windows ☹️

[@Riptommypickles]

17:13

[@Matthewdoesmc81]

You had iBooks get out we had windows xp!😂😹

[@christinaknight1412]

Wow that machine was beat up alot in its life span

[@briansouth9325]

Bingo, RF shield

[@Patrick-tf1ri]

What kind of hard drives does this machine take?

[@camerongray1515]

As standard they take 3.5" SCSI-2 (Fast SCSI) drives using the standard 50 pin IDC connectors. Apparently they can also boot from certain PCI cards which could allow the use of more recent SCSI drives or IDE drives which are probably easier to find nowadays.

[@Patrick-tf1ri]

@@camerongray1515 that was my next question; is it possible to attach a modern-day SATA drive to this machine. Most of the 50pin drives I could find on eBay were expensive and had low storage capacity. Do you know what the maximum amount of storage this machine allows? Also, I purchased a 68 pin IBM HDD with 4.3GB and used a simple cross-over adapter on it to make it 50pin for the computers ribbon cable. The disk was not supported. I don’t know why. Any thoughts? Thanks!

[@camerongray1515]

It's possible you may be able to get a suitable PCI card however I don't know enough about these machines to really advise on what would work. You can however get the SCSI2SD device which will let you connect an SD card to the internal SCSI bus. As for the drive you tried, it's been so long since I did any vintage computer stuff that I'm pretty rusty, I'd make sure your drive is backwards compatible with the SCSI bus in this system and check for any jumpers on the drive that you may need to use to set the SCSI ID.

[@Patrick-tf1ri]

Cameron Gray alright, thanks Cameron!

[@julosx]

Great video, I didn't know about the 8600/200, Mac Tracker has only the PPC 8500 in its reviews. Don't know what are the differences ? To clean this machine up, you can use hydrogen peroxyde to remove the plastic's ugly old yellowy colour. They'll turn white again.

[@58allendavis]

You can also use Clorox Soft Scrub. It's not nearly as abrasive as it might sound, and you don't have to worry about spills!

[@erikgallimore5131]

getting the motherboard out of that beast was such a pain.

[@AwesumIndustrys]

If I had this computer, I would use it to record my N64 for shits and giggles.

[@Riptommypickles]

17:14

[@MsJinkerson]

Apple always made strange cases

[@WhatALoadOfTosca]

Why oh why would you blur out the SN?! :(

[@camerongray1515]

It wasn't the serial number, it was a label that contained contact details for the previous owner. I like keeping things like asset tags on my old machines as it shows where they originally come from but didn't really want to publish someone else's details online.

[@WhatALoadOfTosca]

Cameron Gray thanks Cameron. That makes sense. I couldnt figure that our. Cheers.

[@firefish4418]

2014

[@TheSeanUhTron]

I grew up using these old Beige Mac's in Elementary school. Our school upgraded to the 1st gen iMac's pretty early on, but still had many of the old Performa's (Mostly 5200's, ugly little things). I always wanted one, but I didn't really know why. They were pretty shitty computers. Good hardware, but terrible software. The rest of my school life was on eMac's and G4/G5 iMac's with Mac OS X.

[@rommix0]

Not all the software was terrible. The best way to put Mac's software library is it's very "specialized". Macs were really for professionals like artists and musicians.

[@iulianispas8634]

I whant to se you gaming on that thing. ..

[@Ashton000]

26:05 1984?

[@ShiggitayMediaProductions]

He said 1994.

[@Osears]

Mac os 9 Clear up disks

[@livesimplyandhumbly]

Except for the crappy built in video, those were very nice machines. Better videos cards where available. Apple Macs still come with crappy GPUs, but now no expansion slots.

[@v1ncend]

when you see this old hardware, you know what apple now has no soul.

[@julosx]

But they still work, so what ?

[@bairfamilyfarm1336]

In 2011 the soul of apple died.

[@lescitrons]

Lassi Kinnunen I have a five year old Mac, works great. They actually use mostly standard parts, I took ram from an old dell computer, and I got a tb hd and put them in.

[@julosx]

Macs use a lot of specific parts : processors are specific, motherboards are specific, batteries are specific, fans are specific (the noiseless ones), the new touch bar is unique and quote me how many all-in-one PCs have a Retina display ?

[@julosx]

What you say is an utter lie. I knw people that use 8 years old _laptop_ Macs, still with their original OS (Snow Leopard) that work as if they were brand new, my current iMac is 5 years old and would burn any recent PC.

[@WhatALoadOfTosca]

Bless... when apple made computers and weren't looking for fan boys. Current fanboy's prefer to forget this era!

[@BilisNegra]

They already made overpriced computers, though. Yes, of course any computer was so much more expensive back then than it is now, but still these were more expensive than a similarly specced Intel based pc.

[@Patrick-tf1ri]

Invite me over

[@memsom]

Now install BeOS :-)

[@eyeinidas]

I have one of those in the closet. I don't have a monitor for it.