▶️Applying Mick Goodrick's modal practice ideas

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

If you need modal vamps to practice, grab mine for free at my website: Backing track available for free download on my website, along with other modal vamps: www.jazzguitarwithandy.com/blog/the-advancing-guitarist-modal-vamps

[@paul-singhgurth1599]

Love the book! I got it in my mid 20s and I'm 50 now and still working with it. It's the kind of boon you never finish because new ideas always come. Been looping ideas from it for years and playing over them. One of the greatest things I've ever decided to do and keep up. Tremendous growth came to me from this book. Thanks for this awesome post!

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

Couldn’t agree more about his this book just keeps on giving! I think I’ve had it for nearly 20 years too. Thanks for checking out my videos 😎

[@lylemoxsom]

Just got the book. Was hoping there was a vid on youtube of someone shedding some light on it. Found it straight away! Just what I needed, thank you so much!!

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

Lyle Moxsom thanks man, glad it’s helpful. I remember when I first got this book, I knew it was gold but didn’t quite know how to go about applying it!

[@TheFlyingPlectrum]

This lesson was so much fun to watch I went to your website and bought your ebooks! I'm a beginner and can barely play a scale but your enthusiasm made me pick up my guitar and try to play along right away!

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

Thanks David - I'm really glad you liked the video. I hope you enjoy the eBooks! Good luck with the practice :)

[@jamesphillips523]

Very useful , got the book yesterday- great idea I immediately see in the book, single string playing. I am a classical guitarist playing for 40 years and teaching for 25. So much to learn in this area.Flicking through the book looks like loads I don’t understand. However familiarisation with all the intervals in scales and modes seems really important. Glad I found your channel

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

Thank you. It's such an interesting book and just makes you think about different ways to approach playing. Some great wisdom in that book, quite funny at times too!

[@polygraphovich]

Hi, Andy. Just picked up the book (been playing 40 years) & want to thank you for the modal vamps to solo over. Big time saver! Subbed to your channel. Cheers.

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

No worries - glad you find them useful.

[@Cuardaitheoirfirinne]

Fantastic. Thank you so much. I love this book and you did such an amazing job breaking this down for me.

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

No worries Ryan. I’ve made another video on the modes in parallel now that I have a better set up. Should be up in November at some point.

[@Cuardaitheoirfirinne]

@@jazzguitarwithandy Thanks Andy. I'll keep an eye out. On page 20, do you know the answer to his question regarding the Interval Moves in bold?

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

@@Cuardaitheoirfirinne maybe because it gives the intervals of the major scale? If you played that it would be like the scale going up. I suppose he's encouraging us to practice them in 3rds and 4ths etc and then to be able to change to another interval.

[@nstrug]

Just got the book and the vamps are super useful, cheers Andy.

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

Happy to help - that book is jam packed with wisdom :)

[@archbox8593]

The Playlist with the Vamps is really cool! :D Thank you very much! The video was also pretty nice :) All the best!

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

Glad you think so Florian. Thanks for checking out my videos 😀

[@straygeraniums1]

What a great idea for a video. Thanks for doing this. Advancing Guitarist is a classic.

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

Thanks for tuning in Andrew

[@christophegragnic8681]

Thanks for the videos and enlightment! One question: can you see a reason why the bends are suggested to be one half-step only at start?

[@mikem668]

There are two reasons given. First, since each mode has two half-steps and five whole-steps, where the half-steps are located give each mode it's color. So emphasizing them is important. Second, and this I don't completely understand, is that the half-steps are where you face the dangers of dissonance. But, probably also opportunity, if you wish to introduce some dissonance.

[@apzzpa]

this is great. thank you for the backing tracks.

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

You're very welcome - thank you for commenting 🙏

[@jazzguitarneophyte-christo7988]

Thanks so much for the downloads! You really helped me with this book! Just sent you a donation my friend!

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

Hey Christopher - really glad to be of help. Many thanks for the donation, that's much appreciated.

[@f001sg0ld]

Ideal for Dead Head lesson. This would be great. But thanks I came hear when I couldn't understand Advancing Guitarist book myself. Thanks a ton

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

Glad it’s of help. That book is a treasure trove of great practice ideas!

[@VitalBigras]

Just got the book, Thank You for these interresting practice ideas!

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

Enjoy the book! It’s awesome 😎

[@tg4481]

finally a good channel for guitarists

[@heydarwinj]

thanks for posting this. it’s making such a difference for me in learning these concepts.

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

My pleasure! Glad you found it helpful 👍🎸

[@yuvalmilo6284]

This is amazing! I would love it if you would do another video on the exercises about position playing :)

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

Yes I can do, just in the process of setting up a new studio so bear with me! 👍

[@santiagodearrascaeta2243]

Thank you so much man, this is awesome, just got the book and this make it clearer

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

Glad to be of help, thanks for checking out my channel.

[@nickrkr]

That's some really nice explaination ...you must be a really good Teacher

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

thanks for your kind words.

[@HunterHavokk]

Thank you for making this video! Great playing 🤘🤘🤘

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

Thanks for watching Hunter. I've made a further video on this topic which is probably a bit better quality: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qpengq2Po6ajmdE

[@arthurgraham3356]

I just found your channel ... really good. I have that book but because it doesn’t have tab I haven’t used it much, so any other lessons from it would be awesome.

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

Thanks! I was thinking about doing the vamps for the melodic minor too, but any requests are welcome. It took me ages to get into the book for the same reason as you!

[@zackeriah87]

@@jazzguitarwithandy Hey, did you ever make a 2nd video about this? LOVE this book.. Just got it a week back.

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

@@zackeriah87 I suppose this is related: kzbin.info/www/bejne/n4algmd4p9F9gtE&lc=UgwwtAqEyeJ2AqhHuyx4AaABAg

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

@@zackeriah87 I've done some more modal tracks recently and will continue to. Are there any topics you'd like me to cover? Happy reading with the book. Have you got to the bit where it says put the guitar down and don't play for 7 days?

[@moshe789098]

Thanks. Anjd how about the Dorian vamp?

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

A whole bar on each this time: Dm11 , Dsus2, Dm6/9 Dm11, which you could do as: Dm11: x55565 Dsus 2: x57755 Dm69 x5345

[@blackberrywhite7581]

Just got the book and while reading Avidly ( got pro tools open so thought I would use that word.) Thought 💭 must be a vid out there somewhere and came across your channel, will delve into it more later, looks cool. 😎 On the book, thanks for the G mixo vamp and your taking the time to share your approach. Although Mike advocates “depending on yourself,” he also says in the introduction “This isn’t to say You can’t or shouldn’t learn from others. In music you have to.” Which is thanks to you I have just done! Thank you 🙏

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

Thanks. I think everyone would have slightly different takes on how to practice it/approach it. I love the concept of that book in that many parts of it are presented as suggestions rather than exercises to do. It really makes the reader have to think about they will apply it personally.

[@blackberrywhite7581]

Andy Bowen I like what you Are doing with your Blog etc. Clean, concise and constructive. Keep up the good work, it’s appreciated!

[@barflytom3273]

fantastic approach. especially for somenone who is stuck on scales...

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

That book is jam packed full of great ideas. It’s a little quirky but a true gem.

[@neonblack211]

i bought this book... does it come with any accomponing audio or antything or do you just have to make your own

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

It doesn't come with any - I have a playlist of the modal vamps that I created on this channel

[@guitarjamguy6200]

Fantastic lesson! Thank you!!!

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

Thanks! Glad you found it useful.

[@guitarjamguy6200]

@@jazzguitarwithandy Yes Sir. Over the last threee years or so, I have been exploring the 'one string' solo approach. I have latched on to John Abercrombie as welll as a model lately ... It has almost become like a mystical search, where I detune my guitar to an open chord - or not - and try to play like Ravi Shankar over all kinds of backing tracks...the results are interesting.

[@Troy1g]

Thanks for doing this.

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

No worries!

[@fredsw9]

This is so useful. Thank You!

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

fredsw9 My pleasure. Thanks for checking out my channel! 😀

[@ButNotTonight]

Thanks for making this and creating the backing tracks! I've been using this to practice for weeks now and I think I have improved some! By the way, is it my imagination or is the domain where the backing tracks were hosted expired?

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

Thank you, glad you found it helpful the practice is going well! Yes, that's right the domain has expired as I'm building a new site and will be hosting them their instead. Will all be live 1st June.

[@ButNotTonight]

@@jazzguitarwithandy That sounds fantastic, I'll keep my eyes peeled, thanks!

[@viaplatina1722]

nice job Andy. Thank you

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

Thank you 🙂

[@kukumuniu5658]

Hi :) Could You bring us closer to the Generic Modality Compression issue? Two chords,on ii & iii degree of scale,with tonic i degree in the lowest voice,right? For c ionian it is Dm and Em chords with note c in lowest voice. And now how can we use this formula musically to avoid sounding like ordinary exercises?

[@cfibanez]

Thanks for this. There are many videos about this book in YT. Most of them are catastrophically bad. Question: can you put a link to download the backing tracks in bulk? SO much more helpful. Thanks. /C

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

Zorionak2010 do you mean like a zip file? Thanks for checking out my channel!

[@cfibanez]

@@jazzguitarwithandy Yes, something like that containing all the files. I have dowloaded a few manually, but a zip file with all of them would help. Many thanks!

[@chadsux]

Great lesson and content, Andy. Sub'd.

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

Thanks for the sub!

[@eldadgal]

Great lesson! Thanks

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

thanks for checking out my channel!

[@marvin7252]

thanks a lot ,very clear and useful

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

Glad to be of help!

[@moshe789098]

Is there a session showing the actual chords you play to create the backing track?

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

Nope but they are: G: XX543X XX555X XX321X XX555X 2 beats on each chord. You can download the backing track if you look at the pinned comment at the top :)

[@LuZu_]

even though you say the fourths are rather jarring, i feel like the b7's fourth has a really special sound along the mixolydian here. i need to keep that in mind. the fourths sort of bring out C ionian of which really highlights that B. sounds hella juicy and has loads of tension - i'll keep that in mind when practicing.

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

I think it's better to have your own personal interpretation when it comes to intervals. For me the most important thing is to give the sound a name or think of the character the interval creates. Thanks for checking out my channel!

[@danielstrecht]

Wow that's great !!!

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

Daniel Strecht thanks Daniel

[@almeidatavares]

Very nice job Andy. thank you. You might want to correct the title of the video. Goodrick is misspelled.

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

thanks for spotting will change that now!

[@shader3020]

Yo @Jazz guitar with Andy, what's that riff you're playing at 5:45

[@RavenMadd9]

thanks Andy I just ordered this before seeing this

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

Enjoy the book 😀🎸

[@yuvalmilo6284]

Wow, This really helped me! Thanks!! I couldn't find the "triads" exercises in the book, is it an original idea of yours or is it in the book? Could you let me know on what page is it?

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

I’ve just moved and the book is in box somewhere! I think like much of that book it is one of the suggestions, probably just a sentence or two. The book is jam packed with things like that. Hope you are enjoying it!

[@yuvalmilo6284]

@@jazzguitarwithandy Hey Andy, can I ask another question please :) You mentioned that it is better to "think what you want to play, before attempting this on the guitar" this seems like an impossible task! Do you have any tips as to how to practice this skill? Thanks!

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

@@yuvalmilo6284 Yes, best thing you can do is sing when you practice scales and arpeggios. First off sing them as you play them, then move onto play the first note sing the next note, play the next note etc to train your ear. Then try singing/hearing a melody and playing, keep it simple at first with small intervals.

[@tertian99]

This book is amazing, just reading it on the toilet will change the way you look at the guitar... actually applying it... that'll take your playing into the stratosphere.

[@moshe789098]

Thanks!

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

Moshe Gresser no problem 👍

[@kukumuniu5658]

7:33 - practicing in this way makes the habit of mindless playing scales instead of music I know from my own experience :( it is very difficult to get rid of this habit... What do you know about the art of phrasing “… creative and improvisational techniques musicians use for style, phrasing, solo development, and motivic improvisation”. How effectively increase our music vocabulary?

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

I'd make a distinction hear between practicing scales and practicing making music/ improvising with them. For me personally, I like to spend a while getting to know a scale, knowing the intervals, colour points and chords constructed. I then practice it in a myriad of was. I totally get what you mean about something becoming mindless, for me it's a case of knowing when to move on from something before it becomes that. All I'm talking about is developing fluency in order to make music with scales. Phrasing is a fascinating area. I typically work on the following with my students: *using rhythm to inform your ideas rather than notes. Pick a rhythm and add the notes to it. * record yourself soloing. What interval do you normally start on? Do you always start on the downbeat etc.. *Vocabulary: by learning the odd lick, but rather than learning lots, learn one in all keys in multiple positions and fingerings. Getting more from one phrase rather than having 50 that you have forgotten. * Transcribe solos and study phrasing eg. intervals, length of phrase and rhythm. * My favourite solo for phrasing is Charlie Christian Swing to Bop - the live jam session solo. He learnt that phrasing from Horn players. Personally, I think they have the best phrasing. If you played most guitar solos on a horn they'd sound crap. Transcribe horn solos, their need to breathe can teach us guitar players a thing! His solo is a great lesson in motif development. Develop one idea, I normally do this in 3s. *It would depend on the genre and mood, but I like to start with shorter phrases, longer rhythms to begin with, possibly lower down on the neck. Carefully use of speed too, if you start flat out there's nowhere to go. I like to use faster phrases as the tune hits the b section. Then pull it back for the A. *sometimes I used the words of a song to inform my phrases. A bit like how blues guitar players use call and response. * practice over one chord backing tracks and it frees your mind to forget about the harmony and focus on trying to play phrases you hear rather than scale/ arpeggio moves to follow the chords. Such a big subject, but that's a few ideas! Thanks for the comments by the way! Always good to debate these topics.

[@kukumuniu5658]

Regarding music, I have some thoughts :) scales are like an alphabet,music is like languages. Each genre has its own dialects,phrasing in each genre is different. To become a poet is not enough to learn the alphabet communicating with other people is not about reciting the letters of the alphabet from the beginning to the end and from the end to the beginning or at random,or patern: first,last,second, penultimate etc. First we learn letters, then words, synonyms,grammar then sentences. In the case of guitar lessons 99% of teaching ends with an alphabet and a few words 99% of educational materials are addressed to beginners then a huge gap, a chasm of nothing and then master level for few people. To be a good musician is not enough talent, the most important is a good teacher who will be able to shape our abilities. If Bruce Lee did not have Yip Man he would not become a master :)

[@RickDanner]

awesome

[@shantanulive7082]

thanks a lot man

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

My pleasure 👍🎸

[@arthurgraham3356]

Looking at ways to use the melodic minor scale and it’s modes would be great. Thanks for all the great content you are posting.

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

Arthur Graham that sounds like a great idea for a video. Glad you find it useful 😀

[@nophonecamera]

Thank you for this.

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

My pleasure, thanks for checking out my channel

[@winstonsmith7652]

George Benson said that for ascending lines he tends to move up the neck,and for decending lines he tends to move down. "Less to think about."

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

Interesting, not heard that about his approach. It makes perfect sense.

[@shambhaviyamgar6811]

nice videos man

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

thank you!

[@forgottenjamroom9824]

Thanks

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

You're welcome :)

[@kukumuniu5658]

I have one more mysterious issue "avoid notes & characteristic notes for each modes" :) c ionian - 4&7 degree (f,b) d dorian- 3&6 degree(f,b) e phrygian - 2&5 (f,b) f lydian - 4&7 (b,e) g mixo. - 3&7 (b,f) a aeolian - 2&6 (b,f) b locrian - 2&5 (c,f) All notes emphasizing nature of the chosen scale they are also "avoid notes". In other words, to emphasize the mood of the chosen mode we should avoid decisive notes of a scale - complete nonsense. How to arrange chord progressions having an ionian character? Dorian,phrygian etc Scale ionian and dorian have the same notes as characteristic notes f and b in that case how to do it to make the same notes (f,b) to emphasize the character of ionian instead of dorian dorian instead of ionian etc?

[@xdarky20x]

When working over these vamps the chords dictate the mode you're playing. Playing a C major scale over a C major gives you an Ionian sound, but if you play them over Dm you get a dorian sound. The characteristic notes are the two notes that, over a chord, let you choose the mode you're playing. Let's say you're playing over a C major triad, if you play a B and a F in your scale it'll be an ionian scale, but if you play a F# instead of F you'll be playing C lydian, and if you play Bb instead of B you'll be playing C mixolydian. Your list seems wrong to me too. Over a major chord the notes that define the mode are the 4th and the 7th and that gives you : - 4, M7 : Ionian - #4, M7 : Lydian - 4, b7 : mixolydian Over a minor chord it's the 2 and 6 : - 9, 6 : Dorian - 9, b6 : Aeolian - b9, b6 : Phrygian And the diminished chord will always be Locrian All of this is within the major scale, if you use other scales you would get different options. And to finish off, these notes are not all "avoid notes". Avoid notes are usually the one that are a semitone above one of the chord tones, so the 4th over a major chord and the b6 over a minor chord, they have a lot of tension so you don't want to stay on them to long, unless tension is your goal. The others are just "spicy" cause they want to resolve a semitone up or down to a note from the arpeggio so they bring a bit of tension and a lot of color !

[@mikebozik]

I would like to add one more thing to the above conversation. The whole point is to forget everything you know about theory. You're supposed to use your ear and play what you hear in your head. Go forth and practice, stop asking so many questions.

[@aakash_santoor]

Thanks so much :)

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

Glad it's of use :)

[@Jarrett033]

In the book he only uses the C major Scale and modes of that scale and recommends only practicing the c maj Scale. After practicing all of this in C major (for years!) were you easily able to transpose all of it to other keys?

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

I think he says to practice it in all 12 keys. I moved onto to other keys around the circle of 5ths after a few weeks in C.

[@RavenMadd9]

subscribed to your channel

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

Thank you 👍

[@rockplay100]

Sounds like a Grateful Dead song

[@danielsanroman2294]

Fire on the mountain

[@harmonic712]

That backing track will quickly induce a migraine.

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

It's relentless 😵

[@kukumuniu5658]

The biggest mistake are non-musical exercises which turn off our brains. 7:29 - a perfect example :) The most nightmarish and boring exercise in the world in the history of music is chromatic scale up and down :D Most important thing is muscle memory but to get this effect, hand should be push aside after each repetition. Every time we should set the hand again and again instead of holding several minutes in one position. That's why it's better to use difficult chords (with 9,11,13 extensions) and training of smoothly changing one configuration to another. "Spiders" are the same everywhere,they quickly escape from short-term memory and when they enter to long-term memory, the learning process ends the brain shuts off and this is the most dangerous :) I am looking for musical exercises using circle of fifth chords progressions like I to ii,I to iii,I to IV etc etc in all keys using difficult for hand chords 9,11,13 exercises that are not speed-oriented but on muscle memory. For example progressionI 9 to ii 9 ,I 11 to ii 11, I 13 to ii 13 . summarizing I am looking for brain and muscle exercises with a musical sense. Any recomendations? Or maybe You can make few videos with this? :)

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

Hey! I know what you mean about exercises, that said it does depend on what level you are at on guitar. I think exercises are fine if you vary the exercises you do and vary the way you approach them. re 7:29 Playing scales in intervals is musical for me, it helps with interval recognition. If it reaches a point when it starts to feel mindless then I stop messing with it. For me the key thing is to hear what you are playing before you play it. I think the point of Mick's modal exercise is just to explore the guitar in different ways. I think it should be remembered that for some people starting out with that book they will have done very little with scale other than running them up and down. And you get a lot of guitarists that don't even know what intervals are, yet want to use modes! I'd not heard that before about muscle memory re resetting the hand. It's interesting, where did you come across this? When I work with the circle of 5ths for my own practice I go counter clockwise in fourths, as this just a common chord movement for the music I play. Are you looking for exercises to work on chords or single note playing?

[@kukumuniu5658]

Right now Im looking for someone who could bring me/us closer to the Generic Modality Compression issue.(from Goodrick book) Two chords,on ii & iii degree of scale, with tonic i degree in the lowest voice,right? For c ionian it is Dm and Em chords with note c in lowest voice? (This is all?) And now how can we use this formula musically to avoid sounding like ordinary exercises? ..."on chords or single note playing" - both :) albeit with more emphasis on chords,difficult chords 9,11,13 focused on muscle memory more than speed. About muscle memory I learned from the master of yoga and tai chi :D I was curious why they perform all moves slowly why Shaolin monks are practicing a slow-motion battle. Because the slower we train, the more time our muscles have to learn and remembering,movements must become instinctive. To get this effect quicker,we need repetition instead of keeping one position for an hour. In addition, there is a simple psychology about long & short-term memory,the more often we forgot the better for our learning process :) because when something gets into our short-term memory, the lerning process stops. We must forget and learn it again, until finally knowledge will get into the long-term memory. Therefore, the exercises must be a lot and have to be varied, to make it easier to forget X and be able to return to it after exercises with Y & Z. A few months ago I had to put down the guitar due to a hand injury I got depression and anxiety(with social phobia), I started to take psychotropic drugs and now it is very difficult for me to prepare a set of exercises myself. I like watching videos on YT and inspire creators to navigate interesting things :D I would be happy to see what we are talking about in your next video :) Maybe thanks to them I will get enough strength to get back to practice for the moment I'm practicing the brain with the help of theory :)

[@Telluswhachaknow]

Try the chromatic scale using an octave displacement- very out very cool.Scales mode pentatonis etc are just the alphabets of music there not boring or that interesting unless there put to use in a creative way.

[@kukumuniu5658]

You really think that chromatic scale using an octave displacement is something fascinating? ;)

[@Telluswhachaknow]

In the proper context yes of course. John Coltrane himself used them on occasion. Check out Jack Zucker giving a demonstration of octave displacements. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aaqye5x3h5t9g5Y Start around the 2:29 minute mark.

[@077di6]

i don't understand how musicians are not aware of the background music...it's very distracting

[@bokehintheussr5033]

Sounds very Jerry Garcia esque

[@The314moses]

It's very distracting trying to listen to you speak while that vamp is playing at the same time.

[@stefanoembriaco6043]

excellent video guidance to the book. Thanks!!

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

You're very welcome Stefano!