The SONS OF HORUS Legion in the HORUS HERESY | Legion XVI: Origins | Warhammer Lore

[@namefinder]

So much of Horus' past is unclear, you could say it is mostly Horus Hearsay.

[@ArbitorIan]

Upvote, like, heart, all of it!

[@CrimsonTemplar2]

/eyeroll

[@coobk]

@@ArbitorIan you could even pin it

[@wraithface4410]

@@ArbitorIan please Ian don't bring degenerate reddit speak to KZbin comment sections it's so ugly. I love your videos though

[@namefinder]

@@wraithface4410 you must be fun at parties...

[@Retrosicotte]

The dark irony that Horus' vision of '40k' was what spurred him to rebel, and then ended up creating it through his actions is just the single best bit of Chaos corruptive lore in all of Games Workshops worlds.

[@rakelodakel]

It's a bit of a cliché, or trope that a character in an effort to stop a certain future from happening, ends up creating that exact future as a result. But it's a good one, and Warhammer is nothing but a big old pot filled with the best tropes, concepts and clichés, mixed into a ridiculous soup that can't be described in any other way than purely awesome.

[@DarrinSK]

@@rakelodakel tropes. archetypes.

[@patrickmcelveen387]

I agree. It was my favorite part of Horus's turn to Chaos.

[@pmc1727]

Just as planned

[@vinslungur]

"A person often meets his destiny on the road he took to avoid it"

[@EVER_PRINCE]

My favourite quote in regards to Horus was “Horus would greet worlds first with an open hand, and if you denied him, he would greet you again with a closed fist” which I love so much about their character and culture.

[@razmere924]

Horus in Dreamland "Oh noes! My father and brothers worshiped as a god and saints? That is horrible because religion is bad and dumb and wrong and WHERE THE HELL IS MY STATUE?!" Me "ah, there it is. THAT is what makes Horus the bad guy before chaos has any shenanigans in his brain."

[@vontheunknown7982]

I did love the loyalist Luna Wolves for the final battle of their lives against their traitorous kin.

[@formalpainter6598]

This is easily my favorite series on KZbin right now, I feel like I’m exploring a real part of history each time

[@theemperorschosen7607]

As I said about Horus on FB the other day. He was at his pinnacle, the unstoppable and beloved warmaster. The uniter of the Primarchs and a general plus diplomat that ranked above his brothers. Brought low by a man he thought betrayed him, betrayed by a man he trusted to become a weapon against the father he loved. His desire to be remembered for all time gone turned into an insecurity fuelled to become the Arch-Traitor. He betrayed brothers he loved, his best friend, killed by him at the height of the siege. And in his final moments, he died ashamed, broken and alone before his father who he has left crippled for 10K years since that day. Not remembered as a great hero of Humanity, nor as the father of his sons who now despise his memory. Rather the Arch-Traitor who nearly destroyed what he helped build.

[@morokei9394]

You've done it Horus, you really are the Warhammer 40'000.

[@tehvaniu6a]

I like how you kept the black legion out of the video. How and why Abaddon changed his battle brothers could easily take its own video.

[@ArbitorIan]

Yeah, I'm also being quite specific in stopping these stories after the Siege of Terra. Same for not covering the Rubric.

[@brandtconor1]

@@ArbitorIan Would you ever make a video on how and why Abaddon created the Black Legion? I like your videos and am interested in the subject

[@dashiellgillingham4579]

The Black Legion isnt former Son of Horus in my understanding. Its a broad swath of traitor astartes from every legion, led by a former Son of Horus.

[@jlb7608]

Yoo, Ian. I don't know if you did this consciously, but this video is legit the best introduction to Warhammer 40k currently available online.

[@MiBasse]

Wow. What a scathing condemnation of his previous video "Warhammer 40k timeline in 20 minutes" 😔

[@Stormcast80]

Thankyou for teaching me my 40k horus heres lore aswell as advising the best warhammer beer.

[@newhistorian6319]

It is weird how prominent yet ignored they are. In the books they are always this looming thing but they rarely show up outside of their own stories. Always felt a little abandoned but i guess, much like the iron hands, its due to them being one of the first to come out.

[@bionicgeekgrrl]

Also keeps a sense of mystery and suspense in the lore and gives gw room for future stories eventually if they want

[@steppeone]

This is the one I’ve been waiting for. I’m building a second edition Luna Wolves army, and Horus and Loken are such great characters.

[@CocoHutzpah]

I can't blame Horus for thinking the marines would be tossed aside at the end of the crusade. It wouldn't be the first time Big E did that.

[@MrAmbrosse]

Heresy

[@ScooterinAB]

Woo! The Unification Wars on Terra! :P I have no idea that a lot of the imagery of Chaos Marines (spikes, topknots) came from the Luna Wolves. They truly are the Ultramarines of the Ruinous Powers.

[@TheMrFishnDucks]

Didn't know much about the Pre-heresey era, it was very fascinating. Nice video. Keep up the good work.

[@nicksurename5392]

I love the sons of horus, such a cool idea and army, especially to paint and play!

[@mcchicken1849]

The Sons of Horus looked so cool, shame their design was cast away. The Black Legion doesn't look nearly as cool as they do.

[@davidtrujillo1689]

That’s why if, by any chance I become a millionaire in the future, I’ll build a chaos warband of sons of Horus that never followed Abadon

[@horuslupercal9936]

I think you could get away painting up a 40k Traitor Marine Cadre in the old Sea Foam Green. I'd dig it.

[@Andernol]

@@davidtrujillo1689 You could just build Thrice Cursed Traitors. Specifically the True Sons, they still wear the Eye of Horus and burn effigies of him before battle.

[@The_Captain40k]

@@davidtrujillo1689 that’s my 40K army. I’ve done the True Sons and converted Abaddon into a clone of Horus.

[@nekrataali]

With the Black Legion, though, it's comprised of multiple heretical and renegade warbands. You could use the Sons of Horus or Luna Wolves color schemes for your Black Legion army and it would still be fluffy.

[@th3oryO]

6:13 SPOILERS Actually, Alpharius was found first, but kept hidden and trained personally by Malcador the Sigillite in the palace on Terra (Omegon was found much later). Although it's likely that Alpharius and Omegon swapped names and impersonated each other, and the Alpharius that Dorn killed was actually Omegon. But that's still unclear at this time.

[@recluse4788]

Yeah but that's coming from alpharius. Do you really trust him to tell the truth? There's also the fact that this hasn't been acknowledged by anything else to my knowledge so it's not necessarily true

[@testtestman2355]

@@recluse4788 not really, but their name make sense. if alpharius was found first

[@zakuworks000]

Who’s doing what now?

[@stewroo]

Great use of the old Necromunda illustrations, brings back so many memories.

[@Marcosvn]

I love how the descent into chaos of the best of the primarchs is described

[@Inquisdrknss]

So close to the end, I'm going to miss these videos.

[@JCBofficial1986]

Been looking forward to this one, I've been slowly making a Luna Wolves army for 30k. There's a really compelling optimism about the Great Crusade, even if it's mixed with horrifying brutality.

[@Kmwildride]

Wow! Went to your channel to stick the playlist on whilst I worked and found you had released a new video! Today is a good day.

[@kokunaijin]

It's a dark day for the world when I shy away from the real news to binge watch 40k lore to cheer me up.....

[@Daggerfall40]

Great video. I'm sure anyone who has read Horus Rising has held an appreciation for the Luna Wolves. Horus and company are painted as such likeable characters that I dreaded the book ending because you knew what sort of tragedy was in store for them eventually

[@stujm84]

Horus, more than anything else in Warhammer, is truly the Shakespearean character of the lore, with his tragic fall. His fall to Chaos (via deceit), slaying a Brother, Rebelling against his father, its all there. And it was completely avoidable but for making the decision that changed everything. The irony of his rebellion setting in motion everything the Chaos Gods showed him, in coming to pass. Great work as always Ian! Really enjoying these vids.

[@lordtritus2261]

Funny, I finished the XVIth Legion's campaign in the "Horus Heresy: Legions" game today.

[@zakluck1686]

Sons of horus are so cool. I wish gw did more with them

[@CrimsonTemplar2]

Another great video. About Horus’ early life & deeds…I can’t say.

[@anno-fw7xn]

i love the series so much, would love this to for after the hersexy and how the black legion startet.

[@wbistuer]

Ian, I discovered your channel a few days ago and I have to tell you that your content it's freaking amazing, mate! You are helping me rediscover and fall in love again with the hobby, after many many years stranded from it. Greetings from Barcelona!

[@0ghma_]

New camera/lighting setup? Footage seems clearer than prior videos, and I dig it! Great work as always!

[@Kiltzombie]

I just finished the first two books of HH. After the first book I really liked Horus and was sad knowing he would betray the Emperor. After the second book I am super annoyed at Horus and his emotional weakness. He became an Emo kid.

[@joenewkirk6136]

Excellent video. Totally tragic in tone, nailed it.

[@keepcalmandre-roll5480]

This is the legion I chose, been waiting for your lore video on them :)

[@anthonyplayter2981]

He said the thing: "Started in the unification...."

[@THCthehempcloud]

I look forward to these videos so much, thank you

[@TheAccursedHunter01]

Why be a Moon Wolf, when I can be a SPACE Wolf?

[@Commandobadger]

NEW ARBITOR IAN JUST DROPPED

[@crimcrusader8459]

There doesn't seem to be any mention about Lupus Daemonis which gave a debateble account on Horus' real origins. Looks like we would have to wait for the very final Primarch Novel to see his definitive origin story.

[@philhitchings]

This has become one of the highlights of my week. Thanks for all of them but especially this one 🐺🐺🐺

[@davidnewhouse3271]

Fantastic production as ever! One point I’m not sure about is the renaming of the legion. I’m pretty sure Horus declines the offer, and only does it after coming from the brink of death on Davin. This is all from memory though so might be wrong!

[@zeonthedigger6851]

He did decline it, iirc, but changed it shortly before Davin, after the Interex/Technocracy debacle (I can't remember which one is which sadly).

[@Powoga]

@@zeonthedigger6851 Pretty sure he renamed them after meeting the Interex. The Technocracy were the guys who got annihilated because they had some Standard Template Constructs, which Horus gave to the Mechanicum in exchange for their loyalty.

[@rikokrates6298]

A great series, thanks for all the videos. As all great things come to an end would you be able to do something on the unification wars? I'm really interested in what Terra was like prior to, during and after the wars.

[@HeartlessNinny1]

I've been looking forward to this one, Ian! Fantastic!

[@LordButtersI]

The heat-wave lighting effects are legitimately great 😂

[@johnnyscifi]

I prefer the luna wolves., name, color scheme, and heraldry

[@stoyboii]

Been waiting for this video after the dark angels one. It's finally here!

[@DisgruntledDepressed]

Actually, the "true sons" is a 40k warband of Sons of horus. Look em up.

[@GaryArkham]

Horus, seeing how the Emperor find more of his brothers "Haha that's cool I'm not jelous at all, I don't need to be special"

[@DoomsToys]

I denounce the dark gods. As a pure loyalist I can’t help but infectiously shout along with the Luna Wolves war cry! LUPERCAL! LUPERCAL! LUPERCAL!

[@MrNuclearturtle]

Justice for loken

[@jensskautrup640]

So awesomely well produced as always

[@MrGabilonia]

I just noticed that you change your colour palette to match the legion of the week. That is cool af

[@JackalDAce]

Love this fucking series dude!! Hope you continue doing this in depth looks at the lore of other factions once you finish with them primarchs

[@pgael7196]

I seriously wish we could Like videos twice on KZbin...

[@jbol2454]

In the early books the gamble to board Horus's vessel was taken by the Emperor and not by Horus who had seemingly won the siege of Terra, I prefer the old version of events.

[@dilinovisckiroque2230]

Vi sempre similares a história de lupercal com aquele que caiu do céu (realmente) Aliás quando este moço fala os seus olhos começam a brilhar é hilário e engraçado boa qualidade de vídeos!

[@bellportbattlebunker4682]

Thanks for sharing.

[@TheTurbanatore]

I absolutly LOVE this series

[@zebwheeler5683]

Word Bearers next! - don’t get me wrong, this is great, but We all know the best legion 😎

[@euansmith3699]

Horus Heresy: The Bad Dad War.

[@leroyjenkins4811]

You earned my subscription.

[@mikey_vengenz]

12:02 where is this art from??

[@alexsynndri6339]

NEXT VIDEO BABY BEARERS OF THE TRUTH COME. Prepare thine souls, fellow mortals, for the history of greatest of the legions is about to be imparted upon us!

[@jamesdeek7039]

Gotta love that sea green

[@rakelodakel]

Really great video as always. This series is great. I always get excited to see these videos pop up in my feed. I'm going to be genuinely sad when you run out of legions...

[@jasonusborne8629]

It was Erebus, not Lorgar, who was the First Heretic.

[@cacarey01]

Word Bearers next?

[@scuba7891]

Best one so far!

[@the_9ent]

AmazIng job, Ian 👍

[@colonelkilling2425]

Great video!

[@jamesk5551]

You look tired brother, for Sigismund and glory!

[@df6597]

Luna Wolves were among the greatest heroes of the Great Crusade.

[@antonioruizfernandez8281]

Anyone knows how the music in the start and end of Ian's videos is called?

[@Misadventures_85]

Karl Casey - "Black Rainbows"

[@PrimordialAnnihilator]

At 3.44 picture shows 8 insignia 6 of which I recognise as legions so are the other 2 maybe the lost legions?

[@yamomel7452]

horus' body got possesed. the true horus was never allowed to leave the realm of chaos.

[@Yacovo]

Thanks for the video

[@XIIIUDSP]

These always seemed like the closest to the Dark Angel in terms of tactics and ability to adapt. Inferior but similar I mean. For the lion!

[@corbinibroc]

Love that the traitors blamed the sons of horus for losing when they were essentially 1 of maybe 3 legions to actually do anything during the siege of terra 😂

[@Erikjust]

Horus was indeed one of the first Primarchs to be found... but if we go by the Alpharious Primarch novel.. he wasn´t the first that honor belongs to Alpharious. Though his brother Omega was still the last one to be found.

[@jj_see_film]

"The sons of horus no longer exist in 40k" True sons: am I a joke to you?

[@MisterTingles]

So the entire premise of 40k is a result of Chaos manifesting it through Horus... huh. I wonder if there's a chance they'll have him reappear from the warp like Guilliman, to see the result of his betrayal and the ruse of Chaos... although this Marvel Comics style "presumed dead, but actually still alive" surprise might get stale quickly... I'm still expecting something similar to go down with Lion El'Johnson at some point as well.

[@Simriel]

So in terms of Story, Abaddon fills the role of the Arch Traitor now. Horus' soul was utterly annihilated by the Emperor so that the chaos powers couldn't continue to use him. Interestingly they have functionally moved Abaddon to having a Primarch statline, allowing him to fill both in game and in lore the role of Horus' replacement.

[@therealoball]

I believe that the Emperor is supposed to have not just killed Horus, but obliterated his soul as well so there's no trace of him left, even in the warp

[@geddysciple]

You mentioned that they took Horus's remains into the Eye of Terror, but I thought he was completely annihilated by the Emperor. All my knowledge comes from KZbin, though, so I'm not sure if this is a deliberate lore discrepancy or not.

[@jackwyattwyatt2220]

his soul was annihilated by the emperor but I believe his body remained, coincidentally that means he can't reappear as a demon prince and why his clones made by a chaos dude (fabius bile) didn't work.

[@WhiterThanAginger]

His soul was destroyed by Big E and his body was destroyed by Abaddon when they fled into the eye.

[@Tulkash01]

Bike’s clones actually worked but didn’t have Horus’s soul obviously

[@lesbianmorgoth652]

The cooler wolf Legion 😎

[@zakluck1686]

This guy gets it

[@jiffah]

Erebus is glad his name didn't come up in this. On par for the course ;)

[@EuropanMind]

Will you do Mechanicum video as well ?

[@Itwobob]

My fav so far.

[@shadowsaberXYZ]

*SPOILER ALERT FOR SIEGE OF TERRA* Garviel Loken goes about basically slaughtering the Mournival proudly in Sons of Horus OG armor, before they were corrupted by Horus's fall to Chaos. I thought that was a nice moment.

[@cacarey01]

WORD BEARERS NEXT!?!

[@doofyler]

Where is the map of old terra from?

[@watchonjar]

6:22 thats not correct as of the latest primarch novel alpharius was the first and we know he spent a decent amount of time on cthonia

[@ArbitorIan]

We certainly know that Alpharius, in a novel written very deliberately in the first person, says that.

[@stephenlee7809]

It wasn’t Lorgar, it was Erabus that turned Horus..

[@kherubim1]

Lupercal!

[@saint3371]

Loyalist Gorillas? Surely you mean orang utans aka jokaero ;)

[@robertgreen2765]

Awsome 👌

[@greenskinzgaming5188]

I always get Arminius vibes from Horus.

[@zakluck1686]

YESSSSS IM SO EXCITED!@!

[@benionin7260]

The traitor legions had legitimate grievances over their present treatment and anxieties about their future fate that did far more to cement their treachery than the influence of Chaos, in my opinion. The Emperor's treatment of the Thunder Warriors and the lost legions created an atmosphere where the slightest mistake might mean that you, too, could be discarded and completely erased. We know this plagued loyalists as well as traitors. And then this complex soup of motivations and fears sorta gets sidelined because by the way rebelling against the Emperor means you are contractually obligated to participate in human sacrifice. I really do appreciate that you emphasized that Horus' rebellion wasn't just a trick, but was a conscious decision.

[@Tulkash01]

I still think that the lore about the word bearers corrupting Horus was wholly unnecessary. Also the point of All of Warhammer (including fantasy) since the beginning was that established structures are corrupt and people like the emperor are tyrants whose abuse of power will lead to ruin. Chaos isn’t good but it is a reaction to something that is bad as well and it leads to entropy and destruction

[@mantradox]

Horus was the best. Emperor was just a selfish a***ole. Legions would have the same fate as Thunder Warriors did, and it wasn't their fault, that they were created with flaws, they were still alive and didn't want to die. But it seems that the Emperor never cared much about individuals, even if they were as many as legions containing hundreds of thousands. In the eyes of the Emperor - they all were just expendable means to achieve his goals.