Horus Heresy 10: TALES OF HERESY | Warhammer Book Club with Mira

[@11fladjams]

Mira has the same character arc as Lorgar! Right now a devout Emperor-botherer, but the first cracks are beginning to show. .... I wonder what is gonna be her Monarchia

[@Gallowglacht]

Maybe it will actually be Monarchia. ADB does a decent job of humanising the 2D moustache twirling villians of 40K. For the first half anyway.

[@Vroomerz]

I'd say... at about book 14.

[@6dragondaddy913]

Slaanesh already has their crab claws in her.

[@thebag1981]

Mirgar

[@HistoritorJimaldus]

Emperor: How much do you believe in religion? Uriah: Heaps!

[@filteredjc4653]

Emperor: what about Demons and Wizards

[@jamesmaybrick2001]

@@filteredjc4653 I got the reference, i dont think you did ;)

[@filteredjc4653]

@jamesmaybrick2001 No, I didn't. I just knew that was an album by the 70s rock band with a vaguely relevant title

[@RashanWarseer]

I find Mira's interest in the Emperor so innocent. But then I'm reminded what she has waiting in store in books like Betrayer and Master of Mankind... it's a real 40K mood.

[@briochepanda]

But he's got really nice hands, tho. 👐

[@overlord2495]

MoM is a weak book imho

[@Matt-FRESHMINTY]

​@@overlord2495its okay but a fair bit overrated IMO. In fact thats my opinion on a lot of ADB's stuff

[@Nukefandango]

Siege of Terra really drives home how everything happening is the emperor's fault.

[@adamstewart5188]

@@briochepanda Remember, fellas, if a girl says you have nice hands, it means so much more than she's saying.

[@pmc1727]

Mira swooning at the thought of half naked Custodies is a whole mood.

[@miramanga]

❤‍🔥

[@Yandarval]

Custodes size: I have always imagined them as someone hit enlarge 100% on the photocopier. They are big Humans. All in proportion to a a standard Human. Astarte's are portrayed as been hulking, musclebound with trunk like arms and legs etc. In essence, an Astartes has the classic Dwarf physique compared to a human. Shrink an Astartes and a Custodes to normal human size. The Custodes looks like normal Human. The Astartes looks ill proportioned and lumpen.

[@willumbermarchant5510]

Custodes look natty, and Astartes are massive juice heads.

[@Gallowglacht]

Bulveye is like a phonetic version of Buliwf, which became Beowulf to the Anglo-Saxons. So I think the thing hunting people from the mists theme is less a Predator reference and more a Grendel reference.

[@voland6846]

Porque no los dos?

[@robertpower8374]

The last Church is a masterpiece of irony. Both of the characters are wrong but both of their arguments are essentially failed inversions of each other.

[@beowar]

can you elaborate on how they are both wrong?

[@kieransanders2133]

God Emperor DESTROYS elderly priest with FACTS and LOGIC

[@johnnywatkins]

The imperial truth doesn’t care about your feelings

[@Aberinkula9]

I believe you are just joking with the contradiction of the "God" Emperor thing. Besides, the Emperor in that story is the personification of any horrible "fedora atheist" from Reddit, for instance.

[@murphy7801]

​@@Aberinkula9there quoting a well known religious KZbinr actually

[@kaiserschnitzel89]

@@murphy7801 I wouldn't call him "religious" so much as "right-wing loathsome toad with a Napoleon complex"

[@stablegun314]

Mira hating how Erebus just pops up out of nowhere just to ruin things is going to be really interesting when they get to The End and The Death series

[@kharnt.betrayer2946]

And the end of Betrayer.

[@Elbuarto]

39:19 The Book of Lorgar was in False Gods. Kyril Syndermann was trying to translate it and accidentally summoned demons by reading a passage which Eufrati Keeler stopped with her faith (which she got ironically from the Lectitio Divinitatus). It's a nice hint of how the Word Bearers have turned from devoted worshippers of the Emperor as a God to worshippers of Chaos.

[@philipcollins5144]

Ian's expression at the end when he mentions Fallen Angels is a classic

[@Xianvelasco411]

After their discussion of After Desh'ea and Scions of the Storm , I can not wait to hear Mira's thoughts on Betrayer. It's one of my favorite books and almost single handedly put Angron and Lorgar in the ranks of my favorite primarchs.

[@lewisdavies9998]

Lindsay Priestly wrote the original fiction for when Tyranids were reimagined for Advanced Space Crusade. She creates Inquisitor Kryptman who has quite a long history and whose John Blanche art looks a bit like Rick Priestly!

[@HistoritorJimaldus]

39:32 creased T-shirt? Better call the Iron Hands!

[@miramanga]

🤣

[@euansmith3699]

Iron within, iron without.

[@ReverendMeat51]

@@euansmith3699 that's Iron Warriors

[@BraveSpy]

I like the Emperor in the Last Church and the whole story. It's like while being in a rush, doing what's he doing, he wanted to explain himself, even if that's just one person he's talking to. Overall sad story.

[@BringSomeNoise]

Have to say that the chance of a church in SCOTLAND having a mural of St George are pretty low

[@andreigeorg]

I think Mike Lee pays homage to the novel Eaters of the dead. This novel starts with 2 chapters actually written by an Arabian traveler in the middle ages who comes across vikings and observes their rites. In the rest of the fictional novel he accompanies them as they're called to help a settlement who is under attack by a mysterious foe who comes down from the mountain and kidnaps their folk. This was also turned to a movie with Antonie Banderas called the 13th warrior.

[@RobAnybody79]

Eaters of the Dead is just Michael Crichton riffing on Beowulf.

[@robertguillam8503]

That homage was also found in Prospero Burns

[@arved.jeltsch]

I think Hy-Brasil is related to the myth of the phantom island west of Ireland.

[@BeepBoopFriendo]

1:26:50 I think you guys took this question too seriously, I think it was supposed to be a joke about how mad the Blood Games are and how competitive the Custodes get in them.

[@craggylotus]

yeah a Custodes being so determined to win the Blood Games that they replaced Horus, started a Heresy and brought a whole ... dozen armies? ... to get to the Emperor.

[@vraska8799]

the Last Church is the only story that allows me to relate to the Emperor. Basically it is what I live every day with my religious coworkers. Except I can't burn down the office at the end of the afternoon.

[@FlameQwert]

imagine being a Perpetual and living that annoyance for dozens of millenia... yeah i'd be as pissed as Empy too, frankly

[@Odji211]

God the 'jumping out of bushes' 'i don't think it needs to be a bush for an ambush' back and forth was so funny. You two are so charming, love your videos

[@primeministerofgreenteam1983]

It's very refreshing to see a 40k channel that both acknowledges the diversification of Warhammer and isn't super rage-baity about it. Love you guys.

[@acousticnoisemachine]

Absolutely can't wait until Mira gets to First Heretic...

[@niallmurphy9376]

Hybrasil is a mythucal island of the coast of ireland. It is said to appear and reappear over time. It appeared on medievil maps too.

[@johnecoapollo7]

I'd like to think that Rogal Dorn would be really confused if someone called him Daddy

[@Elbuarto]

"I can assure you that I am not your father."

[@IVIaskerade]

The emperor be like "religion is bad because it gets people killed (by me)"

[@larsickenroth7169]

'That's the sign of Chaos, innit'.

[@larsickenroth7169]

A t-shirt slogan if there ever was one … 😁

[@triangulan]

It is interesting seeing Mira encountering the Last Church. At the time it was written it very much felt they were going "The Emperor is not a good dude", and then later on felt they had overplayed it and started rolling it back a bit. My read of this story was always "The Emperor is exactly what he says he is criticising."

[@ghironsingh]

Haha! Real talk though…. That’s pretty human honestly….

[@Melon_Gazpacho]

Mira is correct! Big E’s hunkiness is a vital part of his character. Also very nice to see After Desh’ea getting some love, it really is a remarkable short story.

[@alextruecustodian6174]

I just can't wait for Mira's thoughts on Master of Mankind, the book made me a full Emperor enjoyer (especially the scene where he smiles)

[@Hebuspm]

Ian going all out on the thumbnail game 😂

[@daveeol1987]

That's concentrated soy face there

[@johnnywatkins]

Erebus, the man determined to eventually brake the bastard scale

[@nickmullen2830]

I so look forward to these. Thanks for keeping going.

[@BillosUK]

These book clubs are my favourite videos to paint/build models too!!!! Love that Lionel Richie reference "Hello" at 51:04 :)

[@WhispersinTheWarp]

These reviews are wonderfully wholesome & brilliantly concise. I watch for your opinion, but I stay for the chill mood 😊

[@thecommuterzombie]

Always bowled over by the polished and professional presentation 😀

[@marcusornestahl6378]

The Last Church is still one of my favorite wharhammer moments so far.

[@stevepirie8130]

I’d forgotten I’d read these books so nice to be reminded.

[@boop2908]

I can't wait until Mira reads the Word Bearers book

[@grantkruger3689]

And the one with both Word Bearers AND World Eaters 😆

[@boop2908]

@@grantkruger3689 The best Heresy novel imo. Fire the ursus claws!

[@Sala_elia]

I cant wait for you to read Betrayer and first Heretic :)

[@euansmith3699]

"Having a lovely Wolf Time." 😄😄😄👍 What a great episode; so much fun. #visitscotland

[@satinthrone]

"Elves are still alright though!" "Weeeeeell.." *happy claps*

[@SirWilliamKidney]

Mira did such a great job! This was thoroughly enjoyable, thank you!

[@yoboh4841]

Mira please do a video when this is all over, with all your collected descriptions of the emperor and how your views of him changes over the course of reading all the books… pllleeaaassseee. Would be awesome to see what happens

[@billybongos957]

For the audiobook version of The Voice, Emma Gregory narrates it, and years later comes back and voices just the singular role of Jenetia Krole in Saturnine, while everyone else is by Jonathan Keeble. Found that kinda interesting, since otherwise Keeble voices the ENTIRE Siege of Terra. Made me want a lot more Krole or other Sisters!

[@DaSkwire]

25:51 Imperium of Man: "Cleave means Cleave."

[@ithiusdomino]

If you go off the old lore the Pariah gene that gives humanity Blanks was put into us by the Deceiver (C'Tan) back when we were tiny monkeys for "Just As Planned" reasons (Pariahs before they were ret-coned out of existence). I think it's implied from that that it's passed down through heredity. 3rd edition Necron codex as my "source"(I say very loosely, it's been 10+ years since I've read it) and it's probably not even canon anymore because of the 5th edition space Egyptian update.

[@josepholiveira2873]

I was excited about "The Last Church" when I first heard about it. Everything I've seen about it since has suggested it's the story of an annoying Reddit atheist having a 'debate' with someone who's faithful but not well-schooled in theology. Which is a common problem when sci-fi writers want to write about Big Philosophical Ideas, but don't have much grounding in philosophy or the humanities, as they do their best to sound Smart without actually knowing anything that actual experts talk about on these topics.

[@Gallowglacht]

But literature, like all art, is also shaped by the audience. So it can be read as Wise Atheist Genius owns Dogmatic Moron. However, that isn't the only way to interpret it. You can read it as the impression you were given - Annoying Reddit Atheist Dooms Own Plans Because of Religious Blindspot. So, rather than the Emperor being omniscient perfect being - what if he is just an edgelord. A super powerful one, but just a 2 dimensional, overconfident edgelord. Well the stories all still work. The Imperial Truth leads the Luna Wolves blindly into conflict with the Interex - who might otherwise have saved the entire Imperium. Instead of humiliating Lorgar and turning the Word Bearers from fanatic loyalists into the instigators of the Heresy - maybe the Emperor should have sat down Lorgar and said, "look, buddy, there are Gods, but they are malevolent, and we need to protect humanity from them". Lorgar after all did overthrow a chaos cult on his homeworld and his Levictio Divinitatus formed the basis of the Imperial Faith that humanity now uses to defend against Chaos. So read and enjoy the story. See it as a paradox and a tragedy. If the Emperor really is perfect and all knowing - doesn't that make Lorgar's claim that he is a God in all but name true. And if he is not perfect, but merely hugely powerful - then that opens the door to him being wrong. Not about everything, but maybe in how he tackles religion. Maybe treat it as a metaphor. He tries to lead a mortal human to the truth using his greater wisdom. And the human turns around and walks into a burning building, just as he leads humanity in a great crusade, only for humans to turn around and burn it down. So the same characters, the same words, the same scenario tell different stories, depending on the readers viewpoint. If the Emperor is right, it is the tragic story of a hero trying to do right, and the person he is trying to save dooms themselves through ignorance. However, if the Emperor isn't the hero, it is the story of a delusional tyrant who dooms the weak and ignorant through his own arrogance.

[@HistoritorJimaldus]

The ‘experts’ aren’t much better to be honest, and some are far worse (presups 😂)

[@singtothesilence]

I had this reaction particularly badly when I first read it. For context, it was 2008 or so, I was 14, one of the few "openly" Christian pupils in an all-boys grammar school, and the recent release of the Da Vinci Code had made mocking Christians with easy-access buzz-phrases all the rage (combine that with standard teenage "rebellious" impulse and the faux-intellectualism of a grammar school classroom...). So you can imagine how hard I bounced off Dawkins-in-Gold here.

[@subaidedwarder286]

"Yoink me Cavil" mira, you make this channel fun.

[@keepcalmandre-roll5480]

This was the first Hersey Book I read (liked it enough to then read a lot of the others :) ) Another great review vid 😊

[@marcingolab6227]

I started watching your series on KZbin and then I switched to listening on Spotify. So I've actually heard this one, even though it's new, but I'll leave this comment here because I liked your conversation.

[@6dragondaddy913]

Angron is a magic empath and i think the desire to implant the nails is because of their empathy from him.

[@Misterbandanahead]

Really hyped for y’all to read the outcast dead because Spoilers. It’s awesome

[@Valariot]

A new Book Club! Let`s go!

[@thorgrim182]

The emperor and Land talked about the nails and that although it may be possible for him to remove them, it was too late because they had already changed his body. But he did also forbid Angron from giving his own poor man's nails to the rest of the legion and sent the space wolves to try and put a stop to this and bring back the one's who had already had them implanted right?

[@octavius32a64]

The wolf story also has strong 13th warrior vibes

[@threeohm]

Just came for the thumbnail!

[@Misterbandanahead]

I am with Mira. The Emperor Protects

[@lewisdavies9998]

There ARE a lot of snake cults....I'd like to believe this is a Conan reference " 2 or 3 years ago they were just another snake cult, now they're everywhere."

[@mus_cetiner]

Excellent, another episode of the book club. :)

[@briochepanda]

The fall of the Eldar had serious Woodstock '99 vibes.

[@Thurban]

Lots of things point to the Emperor waking up, but what if what's waking up in that shell of a body is actually Horus having clawed his way back from the beyond. He could live in secret as a dark emperor without anyone knowing. Then later the true emperor having elevated himself after taking in so much psychic energy, can manifest himself back to life with a new body, and we'll have the best of both terrible worlds that can go toe-to-toe.

[@jackp492]

I always thought it would have been fitting for the emperor to have been destroyed on the vengeful spirit and they needed a vessel for the the throne so they used Horus in secret and shame, and ironically the imperium has been worshipping the Horus on the throne for the last 10,000 years, because that’s way more tragic, Horus wanted to stop his dad doing this, but then he destroyed him and ended up being the thing he was trying to stop happening, But I guess that didn’t happen in the books

[@anthonym6160]

Didn't know I'd jumped so far ahead of yall.. just started Fear to Tread

[@grantkruger3689]

I'm on Betrayer, but I've been reading for a couple years already 😆

[@anthonym6160]

@grantkruger3689 I just started at the beginning of the year.. foolishly hoping to finish by the end of the year.

[@Ryan30z]

​@@anthonym6160 that's ambitious. That's about a book every 5 days

[@anthonym6160]

@Ryan30z oh I know. I'm trying to balance with audio books.. because I work a menial retail job.. but I kinda hate doing it that way because I listened to the battle of calth in a single shift and I feel like I didn't retain much

[@TheHighlift]

The Last Church discussion starts at 56:40

[@obnoxiouspriest]

Oh boy Mira, if you think Erebus is repulsive now... Just you wait about 60 more novels... He'll be there for the end, and the death.

[@perfidy1103]

Oh that moment... Erebus is the worst.

[@filteredjc4653]

I like the way 'the end and the death' is foreshadowed the very first time that the Astartes encounter a demon (when they hear Samus over their vox and decide to ignore it)

[@GuardianComplex]

Goddamn but I just love Kharn so much.

[@davetaylor9966]

Yep, Rick is Lindsay Priestly's husband :)

[@georgwilliamfriedrichhegel5744]

About The Last Church...I think of the Emperor in that story as just a younger, less mature version of himself. He's still in his "warlord" era and, as such, is perhaps a lot more arrogant and overconfident (at least externally) than he is later on. I think that the story foreshadows a couple of things. Just as the Emperor was the genesis of the man's religion, he becomes the genesis for the Imperial religion later on. Even more importantly, the story shows that the Emperor doesn't really "get" humans as he thinks that he can just walk up there and talk this dude out of his religion. At the end, even though he may be persuaded intellectually, he still goes back inside the church because it's as much a heart thing as a mind thing.

[@KoW4LsKy]

If GW ever decides to make End Times for 40k I wouldnt mind if story ended on Custodian watching from orbit an atoimic blast spreading through Himalazia thinking to himself "hehe, I won"

[@jakewu8268]

Noice! Managed to finally catch up with all the podcast episodes. The Horus Heresy ones at least. 😅

[@Iron4rd]

I love that DX619 is a pro-wrestling reference, just snuck in there.

[@jamesmaybrick2001]

The Lightning stone exists. Its a thing you can visit. Its on one of the islands. There are lots of "Lightning stones" but Gaham is referring to one specific one. He said it an interview i have read (or watched on you tube). I can't remember where now.

[@HistoritorJimaldus]

On Mira’s channel?

[@themachine7534]

Prob the scottish stone of scoon (stone of destiny)

[@jamesmaybrick2001]

@@themachine7534 Nope. Thats a different thing.

[@themachine7534]

@@jamesmaybrick2001 sure , cool story bruh.

[@jamesmaybrick2001]

@@themachine7534 Indeed. Thats the point you silly boy. There isnt anything in the stone of destiny about lightning. Mcneil is referring to specific stone you can visit.

[@j.k.prufrock5605]

I understand Ian’s objections to the space wolves to killing the entire planet after one guy said no to joining the imperium. Then again, these are the space wolves were taking about. If prospero has taught us anything, the space wolves aren’t exactly the sharpest blade in the Imperium.

[@xenoscry]

I'll be honest. I come here for Ian but the more of these book clubs I watch the more I consider Mira might be the star of the show.

[@AndeRabe]

39:34 Hold on... wait a minute! Who is ironing t-shirts? ; )

[@thedepthandbreadthofseth]

It was Sly and Kurt Russel in Tango and Cash.

[@6dragondaddy913]

Every Word Bearer should have a long slim mustache

[@anxiousandworrying1]

Look the GEMK is just a 00's new atheist you just have to accept that either this is good or be correct and understand it's bad and that he’s the worst. All of the relentless bloodshed and terrorism of a figure like Robespierre but replace the rights of man or with “im a very clever boy who knows more than you”. Its also im fairly sure that this is the first time he actually appears in text as a character.

[@karlarden6260]

I cannot wait till you guys get to Know No Fear…

[@maxmagnus377]

Honestly, on the Dark Eldar confusion thing. The ones in this story wouldn't be far off what a large part of Eldar society was actually like shortly before the fall. They might have been up to this sort of shenaniganry for thousands of years by this point, just now with a wee bit more of a sense of urgency... what with their souls being drained by the god of all the things they love doing and whatnot.

[@adamwallace9790]

Now that Mira is nicely settled into the horrors of the Warhammer universe you guys should have a crack at "The Skinner" by Neal Asher. The Polity Universe has some critters that make the Tyranids look like lovable puppies.

[@laurenbastin8849]

Black Library editor: “Graham, it’s ten thousand years in the future, you can’t just keep shoving random bits of Scottish culture in ther-“ Graham McNeill, railing a line of powdered bog-myrtle: “AND THEN THEY BUILT A CHURCH AROUND THE OLD MAN OF STORR”

[@chemputer]

The Custodian Deep State Heresy makes _absolute_ perfect sense. Horus was killed and replaced with a Custodian empowered by the emperor, and the emperor that "died" was _really_ just a volunteer Custodian too. The True Emperor is in a black cell.

[@leovalenzuela8368]

25:15 Agreed. I HATE that about the writing and the setting as a whole. It’s counterproductive to the emperium’s stated aims.

[@gimlym6641]

I would like to watch the video veryvery much, but because of this series I started reading Horus Heresy and I'm currently only up to Flight of the Eisenstein. So I've come to leave a like & this comment and I'll come back after I've finished book 10!

[@gimlym6641]

I just finished book 10! Although I really liked this one, I do think it's oddly named, because there's very little heresy occurring.

[@chrismorrison5585]

If anyone's interested there is an amazing fan animation of the last church on KZbin

[@daviddalby6217]

I can't be the only one who had John Farnham in his head while reading 'The Voice'.

[@randomacademypilot]

Thank you.

[@petersgamezone]

Hello guys, I've been a subscriber for a long time and I'm trying to connect the physical warhammer books but I'm stuck in false gods and I don't know where to buy or order books. Can you tell me where to buy or order books that are hard to find like flight of the eisenstein, descent of angels etc.. I'm from Italy

[@ArbitorIan]

They don't keep every single book in physical print all the time. If you want physical books the best bet is either Black Library or failing that, eBay. Pretty much everything ever printed is available as ePub from Black Library though

[@petersgamezone]

@@ArbitorIan I guess ebook may be the logical way to go. Although seeing physical books lined well and orderly in the house still holds it's charm. 1 guy on ebay is selling descent of angels for more than a hundred euros.

[@HistoritorJimaldus]

@@petersgamezoneyou can get it much cheaper than that, might have to wait a while though and do auctions instead of buy it now

[@mattjames6847]

I think the church is implied to be Lindisfarne

[@HistoritorJimaldus]

Seen Mira’s interview with Graham about it?

[@MrLigonater]

Buliwyf as in the Beowulf inspired character in 13th warrior, in the 13th great company of the space wolves?

[@craigzinkta3988]

Mira is... Alpharius!

[@nicholasleon7819]

Mira, my fan theory is that the Emperor didn't help Angron because he remembered what happened when he helped Mortarion, the ungrateful git.

[@willumbermarchant5510]

No matter which way he played it, they went wrong. But that's cuz he built them to go wrong, because the Heresy was intentional. He just didn't think it was going to he led by Horus, and he didn't see Magnus breaking the Webway.

[@nicholasleon7819]

@@willumbermarchant5510 is that your fan theory or the opinion of a character in universe? i’m not asking that in a disparaging sense i’ve just never encountered that position

[@willumbermarchant5510]

@nicholasleon7819 fan theory based on 1) the emporer could see the future but not the details 2) he was going to engineer a thunder warrior moment where he could clean house of unreliable elements 3) he had already brought Dorn back to protect Terra but seemed utterly unprepared for keeping the locks on the webway 4) Horus was the only Primarch he ever treated with genuine affection 5) the golden throne was built for Magnus to sit in, alluded to in that scene with Vulkan

[@nicholasleon7819]

@@willumbermarchant5510 very interesting. the emperor is a cold blooded sociopath willing to do whatever he could to secure his goals, but i never bought into the idea he would exterminate the legions wholesale. certainly legions like the night lords or the world eaters would have to go eventually, but i definitely think the emperor could foresee the need to maintain standing armies for defense and internal security purposes after the conclusion of the crusade, especially since astartes are living weapons, sort of let all the normal people retire and live their lives while the old weapons keep watch from the periphery. in fact i would much more readily believe that the emperor was prepared for or actively planning schism with the mechanicum, or other imperial organizations like the navigator houses who surely would have lost their political power had the webway project reached fruition. and i don’t think that the throne being designed for magnus indicates the emperor wanted him to fall to chaos. i don’t think that makes sense it seems like more difficulty to force magnus to operate the throne than to just have him do it, and it was a temporary arrangement anyway according to his plans. the emperor sat the throne to hold the webway closed in the dungeon out of necessity due to the amplifying nature of the throne, the throne wasn’t meant to hold the webway closed nor be a permanent thing, the permanence of the ensconcement on the throne was due at first to the immense and sudden requirement of keeping the webway closed, and then after by the emperors wounds. the emperor travelled the galaxy freely and powered the throne remotely sufficiently to allow for travel before he returned to terra after ullanor

[@willumbermarchant5510]

@nicholasleon7819 Sorry you misunderstood me, Magnus wasn't meant to break the webway or fall to chaos, but he was meant to sit in the throne and operate it. The legions weren't to be destroyed entirely, but the crap ones necessary for conquering the galaxy through fear and brutality (world eaters, night Lords, death guard, probably even the space wolves and white scars) would be taken out and only loyal autistic types would be left. By using half of the legions to take out the other half, you can guarantee their loyalty AND they'd agree to restructuring willingly. It's fan theory, but I just can't believe the emporer did all this stupid shit with the legions and didn't expect a revolt.

[@CraigM13]

Graham McNeill definitely threw some of Scotland into the The Last Church, he set in Skye.

[@bradleyburrell328]

Oh the OG 13th Company was rad as heck! #Codex:EyeOfTerrErasureRealCrrimeAgainstCanon

[@octavius32a64]

Omg emp is shiny richard Dawkins!

[@Yandarval]

Its true. Mira has a pair of Gold Custodes boots.

[@HistoritorJimaldus]

The Alpharius primarch book reveals the origin of the blood games - possibly 😅

[@obnoxiouspriest]

This is a lie.

[@Ryan30z]

"this is a lie" aside. You kind of have to go with it's an interesting but non canon story. It seriously messes with parts of the story.

[@calmarac]

Is this the first one that actually went up first as a podcast! In which case I gaslit myself into believing I had heard it before.

[@JARD7318]

IAN! Let the woman have her Emperor botherer fantasy's.