Arcane Season 2 Is A Letdown || Part 5

[@jennadougherty4695]

When I’m 86 years old, rocking on my porch and gazing through hazy eyes at my grandkids, I’ll hear the notification on my phone implant that you’ve released “Arcane Season 2 is a letdown: Part 162” “Based.” I’ll murmur before smashing that like button.

[@GenerationOffended]

This is the best comment I have gotten on one of my videos. You are based.

[@mishan3168]

Me too.

[@Of_infinite_Faith]

I'm not sure how to recover from that horrible season.

[@HatKiddy]

rare YT comment W

[@TheCollapse410]

Lol great

[@Of_infinite_Faith]

Hextech wasn't the cause of the misery. Vi's parents were murdered BEFORE bextech even existed. This season was so bullshit.

[@blacktigerpaw1]

And we're supposed to believe Enforcers feel bad that "sump rats" got killed.

[@Of_infinite_Faith]

​@@blacktigerpaw1 yes. Like they hadn't orphaned this same child before. Hextech was never the cause of evil. Shimmer was closed to being a problem than hextech but it's completely forgotten. You'd think the government destroying an extremely powerful and lucrative drug would cause a war with the undercity bosses, but they're apparently dealt with off screen or smth. Plus I can't take the police brutality stuff seriously when the cops are both cartoonishly evil AND incompetent as hell. They're also the only armed forces Piltover has, they don't have a military, just cops. Which is dumb as hell.

[@akiraevangelionultimateali5199]

Correct

[@hewamohammed2775]

The biggest problem with Multiverse/timeline crap is that it de-values everything that's happening in the main timeline. There're a million other universes where all the characters are alive and happier or cooler fight scenes happen etc etc. So why care for this one? Why does this jinx matter? No reason, just that it's the one we're following for some reason. Thank you writers for spitting on your own creation, reducing the stakes of your story and making your audience care even less.

[@GenerationOffended]

If everything is infinitely expanding with endless realities then you make the stakes instantly smaller.

[@hectorlopez4269]

That's a nihilist way of seeing things, it falls on the same vein of "why does anything matter, we're all going to die sometime and the sun will explode some day"

[@GenerationOffended]

I haven’t been known for my positivity

[@MeryChess]

Exactly why I don’t like multiverse

[@biska131]

Seems like writers were just progressive youngsters that thinks Marvel multiverse is the coolers thing ever. Americans are dumb, nothing new.

[@GILGAMESG069]

For context grogu (isha) has more screen time in this season than heimerdinger in both seasons

[@GenerationOffended]

How sad is that?

[@Noximien]

I had to google who Isha was. Goes to show how little I cared about any of that artificial emotion pulling crap.

[@mrminecraftcubeable]

people calling her baby jinx or grogu is legitimately funny

[@nooshy805]

I really liked Isha and wish they would have given more time with her and Jinx together, but I do agree it's wild Heimerdingger had almost zero relevance.

[@bass-dc9175]

@@mrminecraftcubeable I call her what she is: A Cinamonroll Character. A Character whos only defining traits are: Being a good person, sweet, kind, supportive, and too good for this world. Established only to make their inevitable deminse as "sad" as possible.

[@TheMightyPika]

It feels like the writers of S2 had never seen S1 and guessed what it was about through tumbr posts

[@GenerationOffended]

I think they just checked the reddit fandom pages and wrote the show based around which characters everyone was shipping. They certainly never cared enough to understand the characters let alone took the time to watch S1.

[@Of_infinite_Faith]

Silco got lucky he died in s1 and didn't see s2's abysmal dogshit. Except they brought him back

[@GenerationOffended]

Yeah they character assassinated a dead guy

[@Of_infinite_Faith]

​@@GenerationOffended the fucking Felicia scene and the letter and the fabric timeline just gutted Vander and Silco

[@Of_infinite_Faith]

​@@GenerationOffended the way they screwed silco's death I would call those writers necrophiliac. His death should've been the focal point for at least 1 act. But it's brushed aside in one music video and never brought up

[@Kantorek17]

Nothing ever stays dead... ...the incompetent writers always will find a way to resurrect and ruin previously beloved character 💀

[@Of_infinite_Faith]

​@@Kantorek17 real. They should've put at least one act for investigating the death of Silco.

[@Nelson-z4y]

I bit of a deviation from the timeline the timeline topic, but I was reminded of something I felt quite frustrated with when watching Arcane for the first time. When Jayce, Heimerdinger, & Viktor all disappear at end of Act I, there is a scene with Ambessa trying to "recreate" Hextech. I found that absolutely non-sensical as you expect me to believe that in the enterity of Piltover, the city of progress and science, there were only three scientists that actually knew how to use hextech. Not to mention that there is this thing which scientists do which involves documentating all your findings so that you can share and pass knowledge onto your fellow colleagues and pass down information to the next generation. And by season 1, while there was a restricted access to hextech, they had already built a massive teleportation device used to transport cargo ships. Are you telling me that Jayce, Heimerdinger and Viktor were the only people working on such a large scale project, whilst also dealing with the responsibility of being councillers / furthering their own understanding of hextech. To not have even have a single scientist that was curious enough to even have a basic understanding of how to use hextech is so mind boggling. The obvious answer is we have no time for this plot thread and can't let Ambessa have hextech.

[@Kronos-sphere]

Sush,this season hates logic

[@Lesbean_Burrito]

When I saw Silco and Vander together, and Silco comments about "forgiveness"...dude he literally tried to strangle you to death?

[@GenerationOffended]

This forgiveness scene completely cheapens their relationship

[@TwinklingMysticShot]

I felt all my love for Silco die

[@notoriousadrian4369]

It's not like It's been a month lmao, lots of years have passed many oportunities for them both to interact and very slowly leave that in the past, so yeah It aint that crazy. People just overexaggerate the whole thing without thinking about the context

[@Birdyboys]

I never liked how ekko to this timeline is why he tried reasoning with Jinx. It’s just the wolf vander thing all over again. Instead of actually challenging the characters and making ekko reckon with saving his people or saving Jinx or have jinx do ANYTHING to prove she deserves redemption, he just has a cute relationship in an alternate timeline with a completely different version of jinx and just goes “I can fix her”

[@rrbcraftergames3361]

I feel like dumbing it down to that is like, misleading. It’s obv not perfect but, he talks about how he’s tried to save her in the past, and just like the undercity, he gave up on it. Like how Jinx said there was no good version of her, Ekko probably believed the same thing. Until obv this world proves him wrong, which is why wanted to save her in the real timeline. I don’t think he forgave her yet, but rather was trying to give her a chance, before she immediately kills herself.

[@blacktigerpaw1]

​@@rrbcraftergames3361Are you forgetting she killed multiple Fire lights? His people? And he's okay with that?

[@timetravelingshark8811]

@@blacktigerpaw1 Ekko literally watched Jinx murder his girlfriend/one of his best friends in cold blood on the airship in season one with his own two eyeballs and was completely ready and willing to beat her to death for it on MULTIPLE occasions but apparently like three months passing and spending like two days with a completely different woman with Jinx's face is enough to make him completely forget about the murdered gf/bff and pine after her murderer until the end of his days

[@seandaemon]

@@timetravelingshark8811 Shows how much he cares for his people and his world. Do you guys just hate on the idea of love and compassion being expressed against all odds? Sounds like you all need a hug goddamn

[@blacktigerpaw1]

@@timetravelingshark8811 Snowbunnies really do have that magic, eh?

[@СофияШеховцова-с6р]

Episode 7 was like a punch into my deluded-with-“it cannot possibly be that bad, it’s Arcane after all”-face. It was the last straw, I couldn’t take it anymore. There are countless of reasons why I’m convinced that episode 7 broke everything completely, but I’ll list the main ones: 1. Multiverse trope for something like Arcane is very destructive to both how the story functions and how the viewer sees it, since it takes all the attention from the main story. Creating this kind of episode is a useless and destructive idea that came to life for some reason. 2. It feels like a fever dream, nothing makes sense and since we are not shown how things turn out this way(even if I don’t believe things could have turned out this way without some major character-twisting), everything feels fake and unearned. 3. This episode broke everybody it showed. Especially Silco, Ekko and Jinx. With Silco, it disregarded and screeched all of his hard-earned values that he developed after Vander betrayed him, which robbed his character of all its weight. For Ekko, him being completely comfortable and “in love” after some time in that universe doesn’t make any sense. Yes, he obviously loved Powder when they were kids, but they barely interacted for 7 years after. Him still having such strong feelings after that time feels unnatural and forced. Also him actually accepting the kiss makes me think that he had an obsession, not a crush. And Jinx. I can go on and on about this, but I will try desperately to keep it short. First, her “healthy” version felt literally like a different person, cheesy, simple and almost boring. You mean to tell me, that ALL of Jinx’s character was the result of trauma? ALL OF IT?? Ok, even if it ruins her quite a lot, I could have somewhat believed it(since we are a different person mentally every 7 years) if they made the narrative to go back to “but this is not how reality is, she is a different person there” BUT IT DIDN’T, they went with “Oh, but Powder is still inside, you, her romantic should-have-been lover can get to her” which reinforced the Jinx - bad, Powder - good narrative, which I hate, since these are names with meanings, and not two different entities. Also this has made everything that happened to her, her choices, her pains and relationships, SILCO’S DEATH FOR F SAKE seem irrelevant. This is why I was convinced that this ship makes absolutely no sense for her, since it would brake her independent character completely. Like, there aren’t any reason for Jinx to fall in love with Ekko except for “he looks cool, we were childhood friends and we have similar hobbies” which is enough for most people, sure, but not for a character as interesting as Jinx. Romantic relationships shouldn’t be created to “look cool” or to serve the fans, instead, they should make SENSE. Like Caitlyn and Vi in season 1. It was clear why Vi was interesting for Caitlyn and how their relationship progressed. But here, it’s the opposite. They were made to have matching colours and styles, they look badass together, but that’s the thing - that’s all. Ekko literally cannot bear Jinx without continuously trying to see his idea Powder in her, which she hated(the whole thing about Jinx of season 1 was that she just wanted to be accepted and loved as she is). It is so clear that the authors had a narrative that they wanted to go with and it felt so so forced, especially when Ekko got back, Jinx’s actions there stopped making any sense completely (they didn’t from the very start of season 2). People that love this ship either didn’t pay attention to Jinx in season 1 or have been imagining them together since 2015, which clouds all of the judgement. 4.It’s lazy writing. If authors wanted to give Ekko more screen time and show his connection with Powder, they could have explained where “the boy saviour” comes from, showing how he maybe tried to “save” Powder from Silco and then realises that she is not the same anymore. 4. It finished what the whole season started, it established Jinx to be just a narrative, which is the contrary to season 1 and an absolute slap in the face. It wasn’t only a narrative but also the reality. She, as Powder, already had many mental issues, and her getting worse and worse under Silco’s care made sense not only because of Silco, but because she IS Jinx, and I don’t mean a horrible monster only capable of destruction. After all, her taking the name Jinx could have also been her attempt at escaping the past, beginning a new live. She enjoyed herself under Silco’s care, we saw that in season 1. She is a highly unstable person with a very unique and lovable personality capable of destruction. She is where she is not only because the world gives her a middle finger all the time, but also because she has all of these characteristics IN her. Which made her feel so real and nuanced. But no, no, you poor Powder, all of that is not you, all of that was just you being depressed and unstable, nooothing more. Nothing more indeed. No, really, this is something else. And you know what’s worse? Everyone loves it. Heck, for a lot of people it’s the best episode in the whole show. And I cannot find anything remotely tolerable about the whole season. Makes you think that maybe you’re just insane.

[@biska131]

Yeah, are we broken or something? Few thousands of us versus millions of them. That kind of shit only assures me in my misanthropy. Great read, BTW.

[@karthaz3637]

@@biska131 Nah we're not "broken", I guess we tend to analyze the things we watch a bit too much. Arcane season 2 went for cheap and easy plotlines that would be easily understood and elicit as much emotions as possible. If you watch for the fun of it, you'll have a blast. If you want to be critical of what you watch, focus on character development, morals, message etc, it will fall apart. It's ok to be on either side tbh

[@idontthinkso6172]

"She, as Powder, already had many mental issues, and her getting worse and worse under Silco’s care made sense not only because of Silco, but because she IS Jinx" I like the idea that environments have a bigger impact on how someone behaves. I think thats more nuanced and reflective of life, and that's how season 1 was made out to be. Season 2 kinda threw that out the window.

[@euoplo1007]

i dont care if they like it, i mean its pretty and mnanny will like it only for that, but what gets me mad is when they call this violated corpse of a masterpiece a masterpiece. It is simply not true and im sad for future projects... maybe it was just a fluke? or maybe you need to devellop it for 6 years to become that good, probably that tbh

[@idontthinkso6172]

@@euoplo1007 I think it was a bit of a fluke. 1) They had always planned two seasons just for arcane and i guess they didn't realize this means they have almost no time to explore anything unless they made season two 16 episodes instead of 8 but then the budget wouldve been higher (and they didnt have more). 2) the writers are different now 3) even the team behind the show acknowledges that the show was too rushed and they will try to learn from it

[@migsusakura6875]

Man this is why I like your views , it makes sense !!! I tried having a discussion with one of the s2 arcane fans and they went ballistic, I couldn’t even have a proper conversation without them freaking tf out. Especially about ekko/ jinx bs. I don’t understand why they can’t seem to accept how bad this season actually was ? Like I get the visuals were amazing and you got to see your favorite characters again but … were they really the same characters from season 1 ? Like please take of your rose petal glasses man, it’s not a masterpiece like season 1 was.

[@GenerationOffended]

Thanks man. Yeah i have had discussions with some of my friends about the show and they essentially just ignore how bad it is. “Just don’t think about it” is the standard argument. Its that easy emotional bait everyone fell for. That was this whole season, just scene after scene of complete fan service or sappy scenes like Isha’s death

[@yahyabayoumi6683]

I believe that S2 had great storylines to tell but lacked execution and did not have enough time to flesh them out.

[@notoriousadrian4369]

Idk man season two wasnt that bad, It was pretty rushed but, I had the opposite experience lmao. Tried to have a discussion with a guy who hated s2 and said ekko's whole journey thru the alternative dimension was pointless and it didnt make him grow as a character at all, while in fact It has so much things to it like the lessons he learns wich is really fitting for his character, the decisions he is faced with, the consequences and wisdoms he takes from it, the symbolisms. I mean, I even respect that you think somehow those werent executed in the best way and u talk about why but some people just straight up are blinded by wanting to hate the whole thing lmao.

[@ma_cherri]

​@@notoriousadrian4369 Season 2 is good compared to most series out there. Its just horrible compared to season 1. So people get more negative than needed when critiquing it

[@finixmoon127]

@@ma_cherri Rewatched S1 right after S2, and while the former is definitely better the gap in writing quality is really not that big. All of the issues with S2 come down to the pacing imo.

[@MoonsCamelot]

This episode was maddening for me. I like Ekko but his character deserved to actually have steady development over multiple episodes, not just have one episode per season in which he gets more than 3 seconds of screen time. The alternate timeline was quite literally a waste of time, and in a season that needed so much more time to let multiple stories make sense, it was time Arcane could not spare. Oof, the Heimerdinger points hit hard, what a waste. The writers completely forgetting the compelling historical class conflict that made season one so impactful is bad enough but this season showed that they actually didn't even comprehend it - at least the writers who were brought back. And that's a real shame.

[@GenerationOffended]

I agree, Ekko gets completely sidelined this season, he should have played a much bigger role in the overall Zaun and Piltover conflict. We didn't even get to really see what had happened to the Fireflies. The writers wanted to so badly forget about the conflict between Zaun and Piltover, it really ruined the story.

[@notoriousadrian4369]

What? It wasnt a waste at all. It had many things to it. Like Ekko's main focus being taking care of his people and surviving (while sometimes making attacks on Silco), and he comes back knowing he has to see the bigger picture and actually fight for the future of this people (the reason he joins the fight instead of leaving), literally being told to leave the past behind to take a leap into the future. This being said by Ekko, talking about Powder and Vi, but then said back at him by powder, (without her knowing it) making him think about his difficult decision of leaving this place where he maybe could be happy, a new present. But even if he wants that moment to last forever, he still has to pursue the peace and prosper of this alternative present, in his original world. We even got Heimerdinger telling him that even after all that, even after having the whole future of his people on his shoulders and having worked for days on his machine to go back, he should enjoy the last night he has there before he gets back to a world probably in a bigger conflict that it was when they left. Being as rushed as season two was, we even got to see him show how he learnt from this experience. By telling jinx basically the same lesson he learnt and internalized in the alternative dimension, when she was about to kill herself. Let go of the past, Rebuild a better future. While the only difference between that and what Vi told jinx before in jail being that his speech was about Rebuilding, and Vi's was about Rewritting. Even the fact that the character that has all these themes and lessons about the past and the future gets the time rewinding powers lmao. Honestly I can't see why someone wouldnt be able to see or understand the complex and fitting for Ekko's character the whole alternate dimension was.

[@oMarcos251]

Even though this was the most enjoyable episode for me out of all 9, it really falls apart the moment you start to try to understand the logic behind it. I guess I fell for the nostalgia bait. On the technological power struggle, you are dead right about it. And the writers knew that, so they had to retcon Silco, Vander and Felicia’s relationship in season 1 which kinda poses more questions about Silco’s character and makes him just an asshole. In the AU, because Vi died we are supposed to assume Silco had a change of heart and made peace with Vander. But in season 1, he was ready to kill her anyway and never gave us any impression that he knew or cared that she was Felicia’s daughter. The only saving grace of the episode was really Ekko and Powder, but even that leaves me with a bitter taste because it is something that could’ve actually happened in the universe of story if the writers actually bothered to write a relationship. Anyway, I’ll use your videos as a consolation that I’m not alone in my disappointment with this season. Oh, and… I hate Heimerdinger. I’m sure he was supposed to be good character, but as it was presented, I despise him.

[@GenerationOffended]

Yeah exactly, thats a great point about Silco, they couldn’t even leave the dead characters alone. We’re definitely in the minority but you’re not alone. I couldn’t believe that this show became the top rated series on ImDB

[@ulizez89]

It's also my favorite episode and I like that theme wise, it was pretty strong. And although it's a good episode, it's kind of sad that the best episode of S2 is still worse than the worse episode of S1.

[@FairyBogFather]

Well said. Episode 7 was the only one I found actually enjoyable, but only divorced from the rest of the show. It really doesn't make sense in the context of the season and totally dampens what I thought Ekko's original trajectory was as a community leader in Zaun.

[@Of_infinite_Faith]

The z drive was completely useless against Viktor because he was going to see jayce's memories ANYWAY. he was already in jayce's head.

[@blacktigerpaw1]

Good catch. And apparently he read some of Jayce's memories in the commune, too.

[@Of_infinite_Faith]

​@@blacktigerpaw1 yeah, he was like "there's another will at work/you've touched the arcane" he could read part of his mind. So the z drive thing was just for show I guess? Man Ekko and Jayce got absolutely murdered by the writers

[@blacktigerpaw1]

​@@Of_infinite_FaithInteresting how Viktor never commented on Jayce touching the Arcane again. We're to believe he knew Jayce was coming to kill him, meaning the GE was inevitable, meaning Jayce already broke his promise by killing him vs demanding an audience.

[@finixmoon127]

This is straight up just wrong. Jayce is only able to show his memories because the impact of the Z-Drive frees him from Viktor's control.

[@blacktigerpaw1]

@@finixmoon127 He would have had access to Jayce's memories anyways once he touched him. He could have seen them in Ep 8 with the council fight, but that was conveniently left out.

[@TwinklingMysticShot]

Heimerdinger also just forgot about his assistant, Viktor

[@ronalddepesa6221]

He actually mentions his sorrow for letting down his former pupil (jace) in episode 7

[@6Kubik]

​@@ronalddepesa6221this has nothing to to with the comment. Viktor must be his assistant in this timeline. Why didn't he ask for help? He is probably still alive

[@TipoIrritable]

@@6Kubik Viktor without Jayce in that timeline died. I think its clear as hell.

[@Izaac_Artist]

I think we seriously need to make a petition for riot games to remake this because my God it's so bad even more bad now that I'm watching these videos and realizing on how it's worse than I thought

[@GenerationOffended]

Unfortunately I they probably think they hit a home run with the great reception the new season received. Atm I thin we are in the minority but I would sign the petition if there was one.

[@TipoIrritable]

Schnee debunks most of this arguments. Stop whinning.

[@keiichi8191]

Remember, everything is great between alternate reality Piltover and Zaun, and there's no longer any resentment or class struggle, and alternate reality Vander and Silco are even best friends...but alternate reality Vi/Powder/Ekko still decided to orchestrate a robbery of alternate reality Jayce's lab for some reason. What's alternate reality Vander's excuse for raising a bunch of clepto hoodlums with a chip on their shoulders about Piltover in that world? Or are they really suggesting that all the animosity between the two cities, and between Vander and Silco, just vanished over the course of a few years with the only difference being that Vi died in an attempted robbery?

[@GenerationOffended]

I think that was exactly what they were suggesting. Everyone is happy now. It was literally the best outcome lol, all because Vi and Jayce aren't in the story.

[@Of_infinite_Faith]

Yea apparently Vi and jinx's parents never got fucking murdered in this universe. Except they did but that doesn't matter somehow because vi died and Silco read a lame letter.

[@ziizii2306]

That episode is literally one of those plots where everything is perfect because one thing happened. Every complex issue has been solved by one seemingly insignificant in the grand scheme event. And the world feels wrong because everyone is happy and you find out that all is not good and you were right to be suspicious because something is up with this world. Except the latter part didn't happen and they expect us to believe that Vi's death solved every problem ever when Hextech was never really the problem. You can always build bigger bombs, but that doesn't get to the heart of the issue. Me stopping the invention of the atomic bomb doesn't suddenly cause world peace.

[@mishan3168]

6:01 I'd say even more. Put silco and vander political views aside. But, man who was trying to drown you. Hurt your eye so badly, give huge physical and mental injury to you, and turn your life forever. And you writers trying to say that one fucking letter is way to forgive this person? That's so pathetic.

[@Of_infinite_Faith]

If I was Silco that letter would piss me off more.

[@liz-js7xc]

Brainless “pretty colors” enjoyers flooding the comments today huh

[@6Kubik]

Thank you for pointing these things out. S1 made a huge story about how Silco changed over the years. But he was already creating Shimmer when Vi died and there is no way he would have just forgive Vander. I think the episode was created mostly for Ekko/Jinx shippers. And Heimerdinger was a joke. They should have made a story about him feeling guilty that he lost connection with Zhaun because of his immortality and how he failed the people despite being the founding father. Therefore him wanting to stay in the AU would make sense. It would have made a great story about regret and responsibility. But noooo...

[@wak773]

i don't like multiverse plotlines either. but i think maybe it didn't have to be specifically vi that had to die. it could have been powder, mylo or claggor, and maybe the result would have been the same. it was the death of a child that seemed to have caused this. i mean, i agree, it does seem like a stretch that everything was solved because of this.

[@GenerationOffended]

Yeah i think regardless of the technicalities of it, having the world be better off without Vi in it, just spits on her character. Her absence wasn’t felt by anyone except Powder which is really strange

[@idontthinkso6172]

One thing that actually caused such a difference was how hex tech was never invented in the AU. It allows for Piltover to not become so much more insanely wealthy, and that has an effect on the power dynamics between the two. It's cool how they hinted at the main universe becoming the way it is because of how wealthy Piltover got from hextech, basically admitting that it's not the fault of people, but how society is structured. They never fully elaborated on it especially as they basically threw out the issue of class divide after the first act of season 2.

[@wak773]

@@idontthinkso6172 piltover was already wealthy to begin with.

[@idontthinkso6172]

@ wasn’t that much wealthier tho. There was still a difference but it wasn’t at polarized. Zaun also used to appear to be wealthier in the first act of season 1. I think they could’ve elaborated a bit more but hextech for sure made a large difference.

[@ьеььуь-к9о]

[Prewatch] Btw they have confirmed that for s2 they have had only three scriptwriters left form the original crew. Those are Linke, Yee and Overton. And they have also dismissed Pascal Charrue from the directors postion to the stager role.

[@GenerationOffended]

Oh man do you have a source for that by any chance? I been truing to find info about the writing team

[@ulizez89]

​@@GenerationOffended shouldn't imdb have that information? Or the ending credits for each episode?

[@GenerationOffended]

I meant the actual details as to why the writing team got changed. If it was their own choice to leave or if they were let go by Netflix

[@ulizez89]

@@GenerationOffended I doubt you'll ever know. Those people want to work, and you don't get new jobs by badmouthing your previous employer in public.

[@DianaDonineaux]

​@@GenerationOffended It cannot be Netflix , LoL belong to Riots which belongs to Tencent a Chinese company.

[@Of_infinite_Faith]

Notice how the same "wild rune Anomaly" that sent ekko into the fanfic world, sent hiemer there 3 years earlier, into the exact same universe, and that same rune sents jayce into the future. None of this makes sense

[@mauvacottage5148]

My god I'm so glad I'm not alone thinking that the idea of killing the two protagonists of s1 to make the world a better place is such disrespectful writing. And what happened to Singed?? Did he just got killed?? Or did the letter also convinced him to not kill his daughter??? I felt like I was in the Twilight Zone when act 3 released and everyone was acting like this ep was the best in the entire show. PEOPLE LIKE IT BECAUSE S1 WAS SO GOOD TO ITS CHARACTERS. Not because the ep on its own is good! People like it because you see these well developed characters and you're like omg I missed these guys! Imagine if there was a season 3 and they would do the same concept by bringing back only s2 characters, Rictus, Loris, Isha etc. people would only care for Isha, but the ep would not nearly have the same impact. This ep is just leeching off the greatness of s1 and im so glad other people are noticing this too!!! Thanks for this series honestly I felt so alone in thinking that s2 was just bad this is healing me fgsdfdsgdf

[@GenerationOffended]

There are so many characters and plot lines they had to ignore or erase in order to make this the perfect timeline. It was such a slap in the face to the audience. You're not alone man, I am here for you.

[@mauvacottage5148]

@@GenerationOffended Thanks pal, I feel like there will be a switch in the upcoming weeks/months because this season failed on so many aspects it can't stay as respected as it currently is. I just refuse to believe it

[@TheStraightestWhitest]

We got Jinx getting blacked before GTA 6.

[@koldemperor8474]

Tell me you’re an actual incel because women find you repulsive without telling me. Never seen actual scarcity mindset over a cartoon in my life. What a loser 😂

[@TabbyWithMittens]

This is random but this reminds me of the end of Umbrella Academy. You know the whole “Guess what? World is a lot better if you just died.” Like it’s just an icky feeling. Maybe better shows can pull that off, but certainly not these. Just leaves me feeling gross and somewhat a bad message tbh.

[@twistedreality997]

canonizing alternate timelines to exist in any show is usually a horrible idea, unless the whole show is about several timelines or time travel in general and it's well writen to make sense, timelines are just bad, they feel like a fanfic that's just randomly thrown into the story, and going back to the original just makes it all feel pointless, if there are an infinite amount of other timelines then why should we even care about what happens in the original one, it's just one of millions, we just got a taste of a better one. there are millions where the situation is much better, it makes the whole story feel pointless and cheap if not done extreme well, it's like confirming a character to have millions of clones, if that character is then killed, no one cares, there are millions left. and it's really hard to write timelines well because of the many plotholes you can create, it just doesn't feel official, especially if it's just one other timeline, like why just one, why do we need to have memories of this one random timeline, and then we get thrown back in what's objectively a worse situation, but now if something happens it barely even matters, it almost always ends up feeling like weak fanservice that just harms the overal immersion of the show, it basically deletes all the stakes of a story.

[@blacktigerpaw1]

Been sitting on this and it needs to be addressed: despite this being a multiverse, nearly everything is the same. Nothing actually changes bar this universe where Vi dies. We're to assume every choice made is the same, and every action is the same, and every trajectory is the same, defeating the purpose of a multiverse. In his attempt to change the future, *Mage Viktor prevented any change from happening.* This f.uck literally prevented chaos theory from fixing his mistakes, because it assumes Jayce makes the same decisions in every universe. This one is only different because a child's death somehow got the same Enforcers who killed Vi's parents to change their minds.

[@TipoIrritable]

" We're to assume every choice made is the same" Thats basically how different timelines work. Same choices done by different circumstances. Also, no, there was no same choices. because Silco chose to forgive Vander in that timeline, etc. Viktor died without Jayce, Jayce died without Hextech, etc. Yall definitely dont know how to work things out

[@blacktigerpaw1]

@@TipoIrritable That's not how it works, and it's definitely not how the butterfly effect works. Yes, and that was the ONLY TIMELINE where Viktor and Jayce did not meet, DEFEATING MAGE VIKTOR'S LINE OF 'IN ALL TIMELINES, IN ALL POSSIBILITIES'. Y'all definitely did not watch the show. Watch it again before opening your mouth.

[@AmomenttobeReal]

the first time I saw this chapter and saw Heimendinger saying he came back 3 years before I assumed what we saw was a direct fix from him. Like a cathalistic way of "I know what happened now, now, I am not going to be stale and I am going to fix it since I learned from Ekko and the issues I saw that I do not live in the present, but on the past". But.... yeah, no.

[@demihau]

people will never be objective enough to judge independently, think more free. if they told to like jinx, they will like jinx, just because she had a rough childhood and she 'looks cute and crazy'. she doesn't even have a proper characterization, she's inconsistent as a character. as well as new season, it's very easy to make people like your show just by making fan-service, after they attached to characters from the season 1. we all know how many people were waiting badly for cait x vi makeout, so if they break up forever, which happens in GOOD stories, nobody would like the season. as well as ekko x jinx, and viktor becoming whatever the hell he became, just because people will like twink-character more than a brutal machine herald who made himself into a robot. i mean just look at his rework and reworked skins too. this is just sad.

[@Of_infinite_Faith]

You're very correct. Just make them underdogs and have them hug each other. The dumb masses will snort it like fine cocaine

[@steventomasi5557]

Three of the writers for season one weren't involved in season two but all of the writers for season two were involved in season one. It seams that they got rid of the good writers and kept on all the writers focused on diversity and the only reason the characters remain some what consistant is because of the show runners remaining the same

[@GenerationOffended]

I have heard some similar stuff on that, sounds like a perfect explanation as to what really happened in the writers room. It just can’t be the same team who created season 1. Such a shame

[@michemicalromance]

I agree with pretty much everything you said, I liked aspects of episode 7 but I was disappointed the point was that everything would be okay if hextech wasn't invented because it felt like a simplification of the complex discussions on season 1, besides that, I also felt like Ekko deserved more attention throughout the season on his own. I like TimeBomb but now both these incredible characters are being reduced to a ship and that's not nice. I wanted to know what happened to Ekko's tree on the original universe aswell, which we never got to see. To counterpoint that though, I've seen theories about part of the reason why the alternate universe was better off had a lot more to do with Heirmerdinger's presence than hextech not being invented, and somehow he managed to redeem himself by solving the problems between Zaun and Piltover during the 3 years he was there, waiting for Ekko.

[@karthaz3637]

interesting idea and theories but is there anything to prove it ? As far as I know, a hero capable of solving the conflict between Piltover and Zaun would not be able to give a street performance without attracting a huge crowd of people around him nah ? to me, it seems that Heimer was just chilling and that the implication truly is that Hextech was the root of all evil and with Vi and Jayce out of the picture, the world is better. It's also the exact mirror of Jayce's alternate universe, a universe in which Hextech was created and used, leading to Piltover and Zaun's destruction. That would make little sense to have Heimerdinger solving a major political conflict completely off screen and without adressing it a single time in the show xdd

[@michemicalromance]

@@karthaz3637 What I guessed is that, since we see Ekko switch places with his alternate universe self, it's possible that the same happened to Heimerdinger and his alternate self. Since he was one of the people who founded Piltover, that means even in the alternate universe, he would still have all his power, money and access to resources. So, with the knowledge he got of Zaun's struggles during his stay with the firelights, it's possible that he used his power and knowledge as a counselor to make Zaun better. He was there for a 1000 days which is roughly 3 years, that would be a lot of time to do things, and it would also be an interesting parallel to Ekko's lines "you'd be surprised what you can do when your life depends on it. It's not enough to give people what they need to survive, you have to give them what they need to live". Even though we probably would need a little more evidence than just implications to confirm this, I like this theory because it adds more personality to Heimer and it would mean Piltover and Zaun healed not because Jayce and Vi died or because technology didn't advance, but because Heimerdinger actually learnt something from Ekko and had the opportunity to correct his past mistakes, which was neglecting Zaun and not recognizing/understanding human urge to fix their struggles as quickly as possible.

[@karthaz3637]

@@michemicalromance I guess I'm not sold on this one, we truly have little to no proof, but this theory clearly makes Heimer's character better. It's good head cannon ! (I still believe that the street performance scene kind of disproves it but it's weak counter evidence)

[@SilentClouds]

In episode 5 Jinx and Vi find an old letter from Vander to Silco Apologizing and seeking forgiveness. After reading it, Jinx says : "if he had found this, everything might have been different". I suppose in the alternate timeline Silco has found the letter, became friends with Vander again and never had to develop shimmer. What thins has to do with the acceleration rune though, I have no idea.

[@Ando1428]

I thought since heimerdinger showed up earlier in the timeline he made his own changes. That him leaving also led to different decisions made. Heimerdinger was cautious but he may had made mistakes along the way.

[@LigmaLE]

Could make video about wasted potential of characters that could make season 2 more interesting like Renata or Urgot? I personly don't like entire Black Rose plot line, especially Mell becoming Lux rip off. I think if she died at the beginging od the season 2 it would make more interesting plot for Ambesa that would have another motivation to destroy Zaun, and in that moment there could be some interaction and maybe even battle between Ambessa and former Noxian Executioner Urgot. Also the fact that we still don't kniw what extactly the Arcane or Chemtech is, it's sad how entire season was rushed with many empty plots.

[@karthaz3637]

the black rose xdd idk if you're a League player, but if you are, then you know what character was the "deceiver". I don't know what they are planning for LeBlanc in the Noxus themed season, but I can't be optimistic about it. You're telling me the 1000+ years old mage that is so powerful she can keep Mordekaiser (a world ending threat) dead against his will and whose strongest asset is her ability to lie, deceive, manipulate and understand everyone was beaten by a newbie who not only outpowered her in a single spell she had just learnt (basically, turning super sayian) but the newbie also outsmarted her and trapped her in order to beat her ? Yeah, LeBlanc will not be up to her LoL standards in the show I fear

[@jamesabernethy7896]

Your channel just came up for me so I've only checked out a couple of videos so far. I genuinely had a great time with Arcane but also love these critiques. While I still follow a lot of TV and movie content creators who do breakdowns, I'm getting fed up with faux outrage and shouty content. I recently found someone who broke down several aspects of Aliens (1986) and even though I didn't agree with about 80% of what he said, I loved seeing a fresh take on things and having an original way of presenting things.

[@GenerationOffended]

Thanks man, glad you’re enjoying my content. There are definitely a lot of main stream review guys who have fallen off or sold out. I’ve really enjoyed sharing my opinion on KZbin, definitely a place where you can get some honest feedback

[@lextricc]

First (also jayce comitted sudoko in the other universe prolly)

[@GenerationOffended]

Anything to get out of this show lol

[@remus4283]

I've watched every part of your analysis and agree for the most part, but your points about the implications of Vi and Jayce being absent from the timelines is a bit shallow. The timeline isn't better BECAUSE they died but because of the absence of their mistakes. As hiemerdinger said, hextech is "prodigious" meaning that no one other than Victor AND Jayce could think of it, create it, and apply it in the way they did. Heimer and Ekko were only able to replicate it because they had access to Jayce's notes, and Heimer (who has a flawless memory) worked closely with Jayce and Viktor since they were his pupils. With Vi dead at the point of the heist, it allowed Powder to idolize her and recontextualize her flaws in a more positive light. There was no "you're just a jinx" moment to terrorize the young girl's psyche. Where things get dicey is how Silco and Vander patched things up. I agree with you that the letter would not have been enough. Benzo still being alive is also interesting. I think Marcus might be the key... he was the one who discovered Vi dead and her sister crying over her. At the time, we can assume his wife was pregnant with his daughter and maybe seeing this young girl dead because she was driven to desparation from the circumstances of the undercity, sparked something in Marcus that made him turn down Silco's deal. This probably led to Grayson finding and detaining Silco. At the same time, Vi's death probably put Vander's priorities into perspective, so he asked Grayson to allow him to deal with Silco. With Silco locked in whatever location Grayson detained him, Vander was able to talk to him, and over time, they were able to forgive each other.

[@karthaz3637]

your first paragraph is a bit redundant. "The timeline isn't better BECAUSE they died but because of the absence of their mistakes". why didn't they make the mistakes they made in the main timeline ? Well because they're dead. So, yes, even though it's hextech that is the issue, you can quite litteraly fix every problem by killing Jayce. On the Vi side of things, you are right, but it still sends the wrong message, or at least a VERY pessimistic one, that is that good people with good intentions can destroy the world by mistake. Interesting idea but it is so sidelined that I don't believe it's intended.

[@notabotball2]

so... their existance makes everything worse... noted

[@MEBOLOR]

@@notabotball2 Duh bro Vi turned Powder into Jinx and Jayce made hextech. Not sure why the guy in the video is calling Jayce and Vi hero's though like they try to do good sure. but they are not heroic in any sense they are just normal people felt like he only called them heroes in this video just for the loose star wars comparison.

[@karthaz3637]

@@MEBOLOR They are treated as heroes by the story tho. They are main characters and, even though the show explicitely tells us they are flawed in some ways, they are still depicted as "heroic" and will act selflessly for the greater good. We are supposed to empathize with them by acknowledging that they are not perfect, but if they hadn't been here to try and do good, the world would be worse off. Episode 7 shows the opposite, despite their best efforts, they are the cause of all evil and everyone is better off with them dead. What's the point of rooting for them in the main timeline then ? (Just pointing out that I don't agree with his star wars comparison, but the point still stands)

[@remus4283]

@notabotball2 That implies something intrinsic to them being. The difference is that the good timeline CAN happen with them being alive, provided that other butterfly effects prevent their specific MISTAKES. I didn't want to insult your intelligence by spelling it out, but there you have it

[@frankie3010]

3:09 this part is BS. We are told, in no uncertain terms, that Piltover is the villain and the opressor to Zaun. The Enforcers are framed in Nazi uniforms, none of the Piltovians ever push back effectively on Vi and Ekko's pro Zaunite sentiments (even just to point out that the only man who could lead the nation of Zaun is their arch nemesis Silco, who will kill them), the culmination of the Jayce and Caitlyn (and technically Heimedingger's) arcs is siding with Zaun's interests and against Piltover's. Piltover being the opressor is the single black and white issue on which the writers allow not a whiff of disagrement, despite the fact that Zaun is ruled by utter psychopaths.

[@Of_infinite_Faith]

The fandom also fails to notice that zaun itself is problematic and we can't blame everything on Piltover. Both are problematic

[@frankie3010]

@Of_infinite_Faith exactly. There is a reason Enforcers go into Zaun so often and it isn't just because "cops bad, m'kay" there is a lot of crime and brutality there I.E. Silco and Shimmer

[@GenerationOffended]

Zaun being ruled by psychopaths and drug dealers makes it morally grey. Yes Piltover oppresses Zaun but its not like everyone in Piltover supports this, it becomes more complex with every characters perspective. Thats what made it a interesting and grounded situation as you could sympathize with each side

[@frankie3010]

@GenerationOffended yeah, but the overall conflict was skewed too far in Zaun's favour from the beginning. All I ever hear from Silco and Vi and Sevika and Ekko is Zaun opressed, Zaun opressed. And the creators of Arcane are obviously liberals. You know they'll always side with the underdog.

[@Of_infinite_Faith]

​@@frankie3010 YES. they're literally peddling drugs! To their own ppl, they're buying enforcers left and right too. They see zaun as a puppy that is a victim of animal abuse rather than a criminal underbelly.

[@nooneatall5612]

The happy timeline having to be one with Vi dead felt to me like Dr strange saying he calculated all 140 million scenarios or whatever and they win in only 1. (Which by the way is bullshit, the number would be much much much higher, these things rise exponentially but I digress) Like what a cop out, Really? Only one way to win and it's one where they make so many mistakes, so if they didn't make these decisions they wouldn't win, it's like the author saying "No it's my way, that's the only way, the ones you imagined wouldn't work". The same with Viktors galaxy brain time travel moves

[@DianaDonineaux]

I am too disgusted to rewatch the entire series for the moment . I just focused on watching the bad reviews . But for me, my favorite episode is the 7 . Maybe it is because it is a little bit of fresh air compared to the rest of the Season . They do not say what happened to Jayce , Caitlyn and Viktor . They do not show what exactly happened to the rest of the gang after Vi's death , after all they did not run away . It is implied that a child's death stopped everything .On one side it does make sense but on the other side we saw the Enforcers terrorize the Undercity again and again and they did not care about the children . After the attack of the Shimmer factory in S1 only Jayce seemed distraught about the child’s death . Heimeirdinger regressed , his arc was about to be confronted about the results of centuries of his indifference towards human's life . But now ,he arrived earlier than Ekko and did nothing to try to return home. Some fans said that he could be one of the reasons the Undercity is so good now , but at least I forgot I did not hear anyone saying that in S2 ep 7 . The fact they implied that Vi was the Jinx’s all along is wild. In the 1st episode of S1, Powder was already having hallucinations and we saw how much important Vi was for her , it should have broken her . Maybe Milo became nicer with Powder because of Vi's death ? It is clear that Mel , Jayce , Heimeirdinger and Ekko had to disappear for months because they would never have allowed or even fought against the martial law . Caitlyn would not have to become a dictator because Ambessa would not have to plot because like she said in S1 to Mel : "you let the problems of your Undercity fester too long" , they should have being at each other throats and Jinx's without the necessity for her to plot after the attack on the council .

[@mishan3168]

I'll just going to ignore s2. S1 is still masterpiece.

[@Of_infinite_Faith]

​@@mishan3168 unfortunately there are moments in s2 that undermine some key points in s1. But same. S2 doesn't exist as far as I'm concerned

[@trevornganga7298]

“I don’t care” the synopsis of your video analysis

[@BillDevletov]

You misundertood Heimerdinger's role in all of this. He lived there for hundreds of years, before Ekko arrived. You can connect the dots from here, as he had a sit on the council and knew how bad the undercity has become in his and Piltover's negligence/ignorance. He didn't just transport like Ekko and randomly start street performing coz "oh well". The innovators' competition was also, no doubt, his initiative. Well, this is my headcannon at least, the more you try to make sense of alternate timelines the less clarity you gain, as each answer only leads to more questions and contradictions. I do agree that the season 2 story's direction and conclusion was a letdown. Did we really have to rely on string theory, alternate universes and the ambigious nature of time itself to connect the dots of the story? Really?

[@lilchaos9212]

Our Heimerdinger was only there for three years (1128 days) before Ekko arrived though. Given that there was at least a seven-ish year time skip between Season 1's Act 1 and 2, he arrived long after Vi died and Hextech wasn't invented in this reality so he didn't actually impact any of that. The idea that he could solve the centuries-worth conflict between the two cities founded on oppression, police brutality, and class disparity in three years is laughable and unrealistic, especially since he was only one member of the council and the rest of the councillors literally profited from Zaun's oppression. Heimerdinger was the city's founder, yes, but by the time he would've arrived he had already lost most of his power and could've easily been outnumbered and ignored by the majority of people who had more power and influence than him. That is why it was easy to just vote him off of the council the moment he became a hinderance to "progress". If anything, Heimerdinger trying to push for equality between the two cities would've just got him ousted sooner.

[@nooshy805]

Why, why did you have to ruin this episode for me 😭 lol, on a serious note though I think this episode could have worked if the difference instead was Silco found Vander's letter and they got close before VI's death. Also in this episode we know its our Heimerdingger that was in this timeline for three years so im guessing he was more involved in helping Zaun in this timeline, but we were never shown/told so yeah. But on a side note, not to advertise but for actual inrest in your opinion, im working on a rewrite of Arcane season 2 and I am curious on how much you would say needs re-writing? We have changed episodes 6,8 and are working on 9 but now I'm left wondering if that is not enough to fix season 2. Great analysis btw, your video has definitely made me look at episode 7 differently.

[@GenerationOffended]

Lol a thousand apologies. Yeah had they just added some details about Heimerdinger doing anything it would have saved him from a total character assassination. Honestly the entire season in my opinion needs to be re-written. There are so many small problems in the beginning that end up bleeding into the rest of the season. It would be more difficult to try and save act 2 and 3. The whole main plot line should have just focused on the Zaun and Piltover's conflict, all of the characters storylines should have surrounded that plot. Thanks for the support man.

[@nooshy805]

@GenerationOffended no problem, I like seeing that I'm not crazy for thinking season 2 fell flat and kinda disappointed me. I liked the idea of Jinx getting redemption but they sidelined the development of her character, common story with half the characters. Well we wanted to do just the last bit because of time restraints and the fact animation is going to take some time already with what we rewrote already especially with the fact the ending is going to be longer than what we got but I guess we will debate on the entire season as a whole. It's okay I appreciate you opening my eyes to the flaws I didn't want to see lol.

[@GenerationOffended]

Yeah had Jinx’s arc been given more time and attention then it could’ve worked. I thought she would have made for a better villain this season but anything is better than what we got. Oh i see, yeah that sounds tricky with you doing the animations. I guess i would say try to re-write as much as possible lol, the more you change the better.

[@nooshy805]

@@GenerationOffended we are discussing how the season as a whole could be improved so I'm definitely going to be going through your videos for an insight on how things could be changed for the better, saw the Jinx video and you made great points. Episode 7 is definitely getting changed I know and depending on how a few drafts go my sister and I might just take on the entire season as a whole. The animation will be done in 2D but we are going to try using Blender or Spine in order to not have to do frame by frame hopefully. Thanks for the advice, we like to get as much as possible so the end can be what people actually wanted if not better.

[@louaizag767]

They ruined Heimerdinger... :(

[@GenerationOffended]

They really did, utter lack of respect shown to his character.

[@SirCrusher]

If we assume the season 1 writers based their idea of the class conflict between the cities on dialectical materialism, season 2 didn't necessarily contradict it with the whole "hextech doesn't exist" alternate timeline plot. Sure it was very jarring and abrupt to see a completely different world with all interpersonal conflicts gone, but it we consider the difference between a world with hexgates and one without them, It's like the world before the steam engine and the world after it, with an industrial revolution, but multiplied by a hundred. Within a dialectical materialism framework, there's nothing strange. But I don't believe in dialectical materialism, so I completely agree with you that it is a nonsensical world where things that shouldn't work are working.

[@Mr.Schnaps]

I admittedly did like the ekko powder stuff in teh au but the au also just creates so many questions. They intentionally left how piltover and zaun worked things out vague cause there just isnt enough time to go over all that and I think that's fine. Ive also heard they really did a bad job with heimerdingers character in s2 from quite a few people. In the end was the ekko powder au really needed, maybe not, for the story its what drives ekko to save jinx in the normal universe and shows how he got his time travel tech that he has in the game so it serves its purpose. But I thought it was really weird how nobody questions ekkos odd behavior in teh au, he litteraly throws an object at powders head and grabs a knife like shes trying to kill him and it never gets addressed like thats completely normal. I think focusing on two alternate universes was just too much though and jayces one was just stupid.

[@JTFIghter6969]

If Vi died they didn’t have the big explosion at the shimmer factory LMAO

[@zoneoperator]

I think in the alt-timeline, VI should've been in prison. This would've shown the negative outcome to her need to always keep fighting. Like everything becomes perfect in Zaun and Piltover, but VI just keeps looking for a fight. Initially in sanctioned boxing arenas, then in underground fight clubs, then in streets and alleys looking for any fight she can, becoming basically a thug and ending up in prison. Killing VI felt like the writers didn't want to cast her in a negative light so they just said "uhh, she's dead" for another cheap emotional gimmick.

[@borisbael7227]

If Heimer was still one of the leader of piltover during 3 years, not difficult to imagine that Heimer helped to put the society on the good path insted of finding hextech, that is also the reason why he joined Ekko in the first place. And about his death or the alternative body, well he is an immortel being, plus he did'nt really died in the scene, he just vanished somewhere else, yordle can't die and they are weird with the magic. For Silco we can assume he did find the lettre from Vander after the first rebellion. So no use of Shimmer like we saw on the original timeline even if it still existe. The episode has some flaws, but call it stupid and disrepectfull from the writters is bad critique. The invention of Jayce are not what ruined everything, it's how they are used, like any invention in any story or world building. Invention like hextech or Chem are just tools. Plus revenge was not in the mind of the undercity at first. It 's because the kids destroyed a building and ran of the crime scene that the the police start to attack undercity. In this univers, since Vi Died in the lab, there is no such thing. You combined that with silco not ploting against vander or mass producing shimmer but working with him, not difficult to believe they keep the statu quo. Plus if heimer come to help the people instead of doing nothing like in the originel timeline, also not difficult to believe that thing are going better.

[@euoplo1007]

could you talk about how much different the character designs are from the og lore and honestly season 1

[@apricitae2006]

This episode is a fan favorite, and I think this video already sums up pretty good as the why, but one of the things that bothered me were Opening + Montage right after. Like, we just see this beautiful imagery and music playing that cuts directly to... more imagery and music? I just went "what" many times in this one.

[@shamanahaboolist]

My guess is your next episode is about how they did Mel dirty and fumbled the black rose arc.

[@GenerationOffended]

Thats a good guess. Trying to save the worst for last

[@wasupp_pal]

Well someone said it!!!

[@GenerationOffended]

I’m here for you

[@larissabesong-t7l]

You should make a video for how s2 could’ve been better after these critical series!

[@GenerationOffended]

I’ve been thinking about it, not sure yet but it could be fun

[@natkan8771]

I agree with most of your points but I think you overlooked something. Himerdinger has had over 3 years to help and fix the undercity. Is that enough to explain everything? No. But I do think he could have done a lot with his athority as the city's founder. He did say he acomplished great things, mending the city was probably his main goal after he gave up on going back.

[@Of_infinite_Faith]

Too bad he never did a damn thing in his own universe.

[@PeterCzech-nm1fj]

Very good points.

[@GenerationOffended]

Thank you.

[@ToppledTurtle834]

just saw the episode and assumed that heimerdinger was busy taking an interest in the undercity this time making it soo much better. Just sad we didn't getto enjoy him acting on him realizing his mistakes. He could have helped the undercity in the actual timeline for example.

[@GenerationOffended]

They should have showed or told us that he had done something. The idea that he’s just been waiting for Ekko to show up is silly

[@aiden1156]

Thanks for the video!

[@GenerationOffended]

Anytime man, thanks for the support

[@haku2436]

For some reason arcane can't do romance. This powder and ekko thing makes no sense. Ekko should feel at least a bit guilty hijacking the body of his alternative self and not telling powder just for some dance and kisses. And ekko shouldn't have feelings for Jinx either. She killed his friends and the only interaction they had was on the bridge where he wanted to kill her. But I guess this timeline thing was shoved into our faces because in the next episodes jinx's conflict is that she believes she is a jinx. They shove it in out face with all the "there is no good version of jinx" and then comes ekko with the answer. Episode 7 was the one that undid the magic of arcane season 2 for me.

[@smittywerbenjagermanjensen5410]

Another good video 👍

[@GenerationOffended]

Thanks man

[@staotheduck4853]

The timrline is perfect because of a few things. 1. Vander and Silco aren't enemies, this gives the undercity actual leaders. Silco probably found the note Vander left for him. 2. Jayce died so he couldn't kick heimerdinger off the council 3. Heimerdinger knew what his decisions led to, so he changed his ways and made the council recognize the undercity instead of ignoring it. I don't like how they handled some of the characters, with Ekko having almost no screentime (for a main character) even though he is EXTREMELY important to the plot, or like how riot showed the figure that saved jayce to be ryze (in a tweet) but they retconned it. It wasn't perfect, far from it, but it was amazing, we got attached to these characters because of the story telling. Feel free to criticise it, I will too, but don't disregard all the hints they gave for things.

[@karthaz3637]

1. Vander and Silco aren't enemies, but we should learn why Silco decided to forgive Vander (if the only answer is the "note", I don't think I buy it, you know how far Silco was willing to go in order to have his way in season 1, I can't accept the fact that a few lines changed THAT character, THAT drastically.) 2. True, but killing off your main character in an AU and showing that it's a good thing is... weird to say the least. Jayce made a lot of mistakes, but basically showing us that with Jayce dead, the world heals, is a weird implication. 3. Pure speculation, we have no tangible proof of this, and if a council member, even more than that, if THE council member that found a way to solve the piltover/zaun conflict gave a street performance in Zaun or Piltover, there wouldn't be a few people there to mildly clap, he would attract a huge crowd and everybody would recognize him, the crowd show some signs that they know him and love him for what he did. That didn't happen.

[@bluespectrum1348]

I was waiting for this

[@koldemperor8474]

Because you got nowhere else to go 😂

[@nakofan]

Well only thing with the alternate timeline went to the past so it is a possibility he still being part of the council and the founder of piltover work into an agreement between zaun and piltover

[@hireathecho4]

I disagree on the first point, but everything besides that 💯

[@GenerationOffended]

Fair, thanks for sticking around. Glad i’m not the only one who didn’t love episode 7

[@toastofdoom]

yes hextech caused all of the bad things that much is obvious and always has been from seson one also the good universe is good becuse vander is still alive and he whas working on making the undercity better and inproving relations with piltover and not allowing shimer

[@GenerationOffended]

Even if that was all true, they completely retconned Silco in order to make that all happen

[@Of_infinite_Faith]

Did you forget the part where vi's parents were killed in a civil war before hextech ever existed???

[@SilentClouds]

Anyone writing alternate timelines should watch Rick and Morty first.

[@myplace4play]

Well, if anakin died early...

[@GenerationOffended]

Lol fair

[@angeloalvarez5520]

Yup

[@lordofthecookie8555]

Honestly, I really agree with the "trick" point you made. Because honestly, I think that season 2 is artistically enjoyable and has pretty cool moments. I had a good time watching it. Yet as days passed and I let it sink in, the more I realized that outside of those cool moments it was pretty messy. They really went overboard with things this season and barely any of it had much time to breathe and evolve like in season 1. There honestly should have been at least 3 seasons with this one focusing on the civil war between Zaun and Piltover while Victor slowly builds his influence in the background. Then the potential season 3 would have him come into the spotlight with his glorious evolution thing and the two sides (or what would remain of them after the conflict) would have to band together to get rid of him. Instead Victor suddenly steals the plot and forces all other plotlines to go die. It's really sad how many things felt short this season. Vi joining the enforcers was a HUGE thing because her whole life she lived with nothing but hatred for them, but Caitlyn showed her that enforcers aren't bad by default and gives her hope that by following her, enforcers could potentially be a force that protects, rather than oppresses. Same with how Caitlyn see Vi. Vi showed her that just because people were born and lived in the undercity doesn't mean they are evil. But Vi is an enforcer for like, what, 2 episodes? And after that Caitlyn turns exactly into the type of enforcer that Vi had them for. Black rose thing was random with Mel suddenly becoming a mage. It could have worked, again, if they had more time and focus. It would have been interesting to see them explore differences between naturally occuring magic with Mel against Victor's more crude, techno-biological artificial magic. Yet they showed it all into one season which meant that none of it could have been properly explored. There more things that felt short and really would have needed more time such as: Jinx as the symbol of rebellion, Isha and her relationship with Jinx, Warwick/Vander and the whole family reunion. The paralel universe episode was probably the biggest offender this season because while it had arguably the biggest "trick" moment. It's cheap under the surface and makes no sense. While I think timelines or multiverse can be interesting, it's best suited to stories that revolve around such concepts otherwise it can really damage the stakes or previous worldbuilding, which is the case with Arcane. Funnily enough Heimerdinger pretty much shows this in the show, because if there are endless universes where in some, life is simply better, why care about that one bad one? He stops caring and just enjoys life in the "better" timeline. Also is it just me, or did they completely forgot about Heimer's whole obsession with destroying the Hexcore? He does not seem to care at all about the misuse of hextech in this season. There is also the missed opportunity of getting to see Heimer's reaction to what Victor is becoming through the Hexcore, because they decided to kill off Heimer. (Also honestly it would have been infinitely more interesting if the alternate timeline was just some messed up dream/illusion the Wild Rune conjured to trap Heimer and Ekko. Because the reality they end up in is pretty much perfect. Almost, too perfect to be true if you ask me.) All and all, season 1 was pretty much great from start to finish. Season 2 has moments where it feels like season 1 greatness but the glue holding it together is of poor quality.

[@C_0_N]

Sneaking of the alt timeline starwars. The OG Battlefront 3 was about what you're talking about BUT Vader was good and Obiwan was bad. It was kinda nuts but i wanted to see it. I also think timelines can be done right

[@tonywillson2025]

Zamn, i didnt rlly notice all the plot holes :/ For heimer I just assumed it was his apprehension towards hex tech or bro just assumed "oh ye, hextech gone". I still don't know his views on the arcane. As for his reactions towards the council... ye ur right. Even Ekko felt a lil out of character in order to progress the plot/explore this timeline. other than that thought he was fine this episode. i thought his confrontation with the active present was rlly cool, not being stuck in the past or even the present but moving forward now felt like an actual arc. its just that they didn't do too much with him afterwards Curious how u feel about jayce same ep. thought it was cool visually and ordering wise, but I felt Viktor's plan didn't make sense there. ep 7 still my favorite episode. ekko glaze + 1st season nostalgia, and jayce getting cooked in other other timeline. but this season overall just isn't feeling as well thought as s1

[@GenerationOffended]

Yeah, unfortunately there are many plot holes in this season. I went over Jayce's part of the episode in my last video. It was pretty silly and it was a clear maneuver to sideline him as well from the main story. Definitely not as good as season 1, I agree.

[@raldrid8264]

I love seeing awful takes. 1. The two main characters dying isn't the point of the alternate timeline. Its not to show how Jayce and Vi dying completely changes the story. Its not saying that vi and jayce are the cause of all the worlds problems. If anything its saying hextech is the cause of all the problems to come but even then thats a symtom. The whole reason for the alternate timeline is to complete heimerdinger and ekko's story arcs. 2. Heimerdinger is shown to be living in fear of the future, failing to embrace his pupils ideas and instead squashing them. We see him realise the failure of his ways through season 1 and 2 and it culminates in him truly embracing ekko. You saying "Invention bad" IS LITERALLY WHAT HEIMER WAS DOING IN THE FLASHBACK. Its not that invention is bad but its his avoidance of truly being there with his pupils that lead it down the wrong path. Embracing his ideas and being a guiding light for his new pupil is how his character fixes his mistakes that he made in season 1. He is no longer living in fear of the future so denying progress in the current. He is embracing the current, embracing ekko's desire for invention. Ekko on the other hand is living in the past. Fixated and holding onto a past that won't be. We see this first with the bridge scene where he stops and nearly dies because he saw powder in jinx. The firelights aren't doing any actual change and while protecting they are still living in the past and not doing anything to pave a new future for zaun. The alternate timeline also fixes this for ekko. He is thrusted into a world where what he was holding onto is now even better in the current. What he always wanted, even saying this with the line "I wish I could stay in this moment forever" but he can't. Time moves on and so must he. Powder even says this to him. This completes his arc, learning to let go of the past and embracing the present. It also helps him recognise that Jinx and Powder are the same person. When Ekko sees Jinx/Powder again he fumbles her name because to him they are both the same person. Instead of seeing just jinx or just powder he is seeing her for who she truly is. The only reason she stops and the only reason she changes. Vi fails to connect to jinx/powder because she is forcing herself to recognise her as jinx. But it was at a time where jinx/powder was battling with her own identity. Ekko's experience in the alternate universe is the perfect way to resolve that issue with herself. Its why she is so different by the final episode. You are focussing on the wrong part of the entire flashback. You are trying to nitpick where the nitpick is pointless. If you want to nitpick anything nitpick that they didnt lean into the piltover zaun conflict enough. Its not jayces inventions that causes the division but the piltovers exploitation of his invention. But nitpicking the best part of both heimerdinger and ekkos story is just wrong. Especially when the whole critiquing of the story makes you completely oblivious to the clear message.

[@GenerationOffended]

Thanks, glad i could provide some entertainment for you

[@mitzee8621]

Just ignore all the problems, and it's perfect.

[@GafarIsmat]

Heimerdinger don't car abut go back to he's universe he's a yordle living for 300 years do you think he want go back And the reason why piltover and zone in peace is because heimerdinger not vi died but the death of vi was a reason why vander still alive Because piltover don't ask for a one to put in prison that's mean silco don't go to kill vander And the reason why silc could make shmer spread easily in zone because vander is dead And heimerdinger is not dead

[@Pipexb235]

The good timeline is good for a simple reason. Vi death causes different changes from the original one: 1. Jayce doesn't get support from anyone (Mel, Viktor) and suicides or get a way worse sentence avoiding the creation of hextech. 2. Powder, Milo and Claggor team never stole anything because the enforcers already arrived while they were there in shock, giving charges of the burglar and a small penalty to them but nothing else that would lead to a conflict. 3. Vander didn't do any kind of deal with the enforcers as he didn't have to 'cause of the 2 point, finally reuniting with Silco post explosion in a more peaceful and respectful context fixing the relation with Silco by apologizing to him and showing the card. 4. Silco's perspective after point 3 would be different without vengative motivations going from the drastical side of resentment and a logical self-centered mind (just like jinx is) to once more the hope of a change and a common dream with vander (as Powder and sometimes jinx is to Vi) 5. Two leaders are reunited again and ready to make the right choice with Silco understanding the importance for Vander that a daughter is just like Zaun, and that the enforcers are humans suppported with somehow any change in this timeline that the empathy of the sheriff and marcus (currently not a sheriff) generated after seeing vi lying in powder arms death (remember that marcus got a daughter so it makes more sense) making the peace with Zaun more easier, having the councilors knowing about the story of a death kid in hands of a piltover citizen (In this case Jayce being seen as guilty) humanizing Zaun more and holy f... heimerdinger by this time would be already there as he says he was already for 3 years and a month surely having convinced all the council as a councilor himself to make peace with zaun and in the other part Vander and Silco able to make peace with piltover, it all makes damn sense now. ❤❤

[@solitaryenjoyer411]

The only one who gets it

[@kejejart]

So what? What do you think should be in plot of season 2 because as you decline so many plot lines and ideas it would just continue the idea of season 1 in the same style it would be boring because of repetition

[@antololo2579]

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[@mishan3168]

I mean. Whole s1 was build up for brutal conflict between zaun and piltover. Fighting another ultron and showing fancervice is definitely not what we expected after so we'll done s1.

[@koldemperor8474]

@@mishan3168 you’re alone. The show was a hit and then some. People are fiending for more. Content that’s not arguing in bad faith like this sloptuber are making piddling views meanwhile new channels with actual solid content are LEAVING this musty bro in the dust. You love to see it. Now THAT is based.

[@kejejart]

​@@mishan3168ok I agree that the continuation of this conflict could be good but I also think that if IT would take entire season it would be definitely boring

[@mishan3168]

@kejejart I'd choose "boring" but well written story, over some time travel multiverse marvel bs

[@ravenjo9145]

the problem with most people who try to analyze arcane is that they try to impose their feelings on what they see rather than understand the characters they're talking about, which makes the analysis biased, heimerdinger has been a politician and scientist for a very long time and the only time he's been able to “live” is in the presence of ekko and he's clearly shown and said so on several occasions, his behavior in the other world only proves this, he's following its development, heimer only accentuated the machine, he didn't create it alone, the aim of the episode is to give ekko hope for the future and for jinx, for jinx to be saved by ekko without explanation would have created a wave of uncommon criticism, try to see the bigger picture instead of settling for small individual details guided by your desires, on the other hand jayce was in this episode but in another universe because he died in this one

[@ravenjo9145]

@@Wolfcorner try to understand where and how the author wants to develop his characters and make it your basis for criticism, don't use your own basis for criticizing the work, respectfully, we don't care, it just shows that the message hasn't been understood.

[@ravenjo9145]

@@Wolfcorner i already said what needed to be said, i don't have time for that

[@ravenjo9145]

@@Wolfcorner I felt obliged given your long comment xD you put so much effort into it... I could argue each point but I have neither the time nor the need to do so, I was only passing by, I gave my opinion, free for you to listen to it or not, this work is unanimously a success and rightly so, the message has got through to the majority, it's my last comment 😆

[@krakatoa1374]

Nearly all of these criticisms are bassed off the completely incorrect assertion that the timeline is divergent. A divergent timeline requires a single changed event which you claim ia Vi's death, but that simply can't be true because silcos eye injury is much less severe and he got it years before the hextech heist.

[@blacktigerpaw1]

Because Vi's death encouraged Silco and Vander to talk it out.

[@fku5737]

Womp womp

[@mrglassscience]

What?

[@GenerationOffended]

What?

[@mrglassscience]

@GenerationOffended I know, right

[@mishan3168]

I'll just give second season sw sequels treatment and will enjoy my s1 peacefully. Maybe write and draw my version of story. Definitely more honest to God than official one.

[@euoplo1007]

also i think ekko using hextech to shatter time kinda lowers his achievement, im not sure if he did it like that in the original lore but im pretty sure he doesnt, could be wrong tho

[@krystalhelpmeez666]

2 hour

[@GenerationOffended]

We'll see lol

[@defmoon900]

It took a few episodes, then I realized all the main characters are women and diverse. Jinx went to save people that are in prison, finds out her dad is a werewolf magically finds her sister. They make up in 30 seconds to help save the dad thats a werewolf. Next scene is multiverse..... Yea thats some A grade woke writing. It doesn't make any sense at all.

[@somethingsomething7798]

I don't think diversity has anything to do with the issues in S2. The cast was already diverse in S1 (which only made the characters more interesting imo)

[@finixmoon127]

I am currently trying to understand why you guys hate S2, and I gotta say that this type of comment is not helping your case lol

[@john52933]

Its dumb to rag on the death of Vi as if the show is making some statement about it. Its an infinite multiverse presumably so there are any number of factors that couldve lead to peace including Vi’s death. Meta wise Vi’s death allows for Ekko and Jinx bonding. That’s it.

[@amf0078]

Bro I disagree if the multiverse plot is done right which it was here its great and I loved it.

[@lavilavi6504]

"Vi and Jayce are good people who try to make Piltover a better place" Are you dunce? Since when Vi cares about Piltover?

[@blacktigerpaw1]

Not even S2 remembers lmao

[@GenerationOffended]

She literally became an Enforcer in S2 and constantly fought against the chem dealers. In season 1 she also fought to defeat Silco, regardless of her motivations, these actions are making Piltover better off

[@hectorlopez4269]

I think you are fundamentally misunderstanding the alternative timeline. We are not told that Vi (and presumably Jayce) death are the reason everything is fine and dandy, they don't say that was the diverging point between the main timeline and the AU. The sociopolitical state between Zaun and Piltover could've been far better than the one in the main timeline before that. The whole idea of the episode is Ekko been transported to heaven, an alternative universe in which everything is fine, and him having to give up on that so that he can return to the firelights and continue to help the people from the undercity, from his undercity. But not everything is perfect in paradise, Vi dies at the robbery from the start of the show and Jayce never invented Hextech. He is trapped in this reality and needs to find a way to get out.

[@sarab89hj]

Maybe it is your thing because its the name of your YT channel. But there is a ceiling on being a hater. A sugarhit to view counts by people who think they have all the answers . People look for places to vent their rage online and if you become a destination for that it will get to you over time

[@GenerationOffended]

Still waiting to hit that ceiling

[@finixmoon127]

@@GenerationOffended You don't want to become that guy, trust me. It'll mentally drain you whether you realize it or not.

[@kristofnagy5829]

70 IQ arguing 👎 I can't decide if this is trolling or real, but its missing every relevant points.

[@GenerationOffended]

70? Don't give me too much credit.

[@kristofnagy5829]

@@GenerationOffended For trolling, I would give you 200

[@mishan3168]

70 is still way more than people who give s2 10/10

[@shadowgamer4306]

@@kristofnagy5829This is the amount of IQ you need to consider Arcane Season 2 a good story.

[@darthjeager9056]

bro did not understand the story

[@blacktigerpaw1]

I did, still convoluted as f.uck.

[@mishan3168]

Bro just actually watching and don't eat cheap fancervice and stupid symbolisms

[@koldemperor8474]

He really didn’t and Mishan is scrambling in all the comments to play captain simp for a sloptuber who can’t even beat the 100 sub channels who made decent videos this morning. Karma is truly King.

[@mishan3168]

@@koldemperor8474 bro thinks amount of subs is always definition of quality 😭

[@blacktigerpaw1]

@@koldemperor8474 You have a single subscriber. Don't play the bigger d.ick game here because you are going to lose.

[@clivir8809]

Cry

[@GenerationOffended]

I am

[@catherinejanet5806]

@@GenerationOffended i'm with you man

[@slei4676]

@@catherinejanet5806 As am I brother. What could've been...

[@koldemperor8474]

@@GenerationOffended we know, that’s why you gotta keep the slop engine going. It’s actually sad. You grasp at straws but the market is speaking in response to smaller channels DUSTING YOU in views. I think the fact they are in the recommends under the videos is so funny. It’s like KZbin knows you’re trash and says “hey, here’s something better.” Actually based. 🍿😭

[@barb-bi]

Season 2 bumlicker

[@koldemperor8474]

So funny to watch this place become the hug box of naysayers. This is yall therapy for being alone 😂

[@GenerationOffended]

Can you give me comfort in my loneliness?