They Tried to Climb an Active Volcano: 2022 KAMCHATKA TRAGEDY

[@bean4962]

Every time people perish on a mountain, why do people always looks for someone to blame? If you make a decision to climb a giant active ice volcano, you know the risk you’re taking. Unpredictable things happen on mountains that even a great guide cannot be prepared for, especially when the people they are guiding are inexperienced.

[@justino2096]

I think it disgraceful that the second guide who brought the other two hikers down was also imprisoned for manslaughter. When he heard of the incident he went back up the mountain to help. How in gods name does he bare any responsibility?

[@oldgysgt]

I also thought it telling that the guides were arrested and charged before the official investigation had really began. Typical "guilty until proved innocent" mentality. This comes with the "Nanny" State.

[@zarasbazaar]

He was still part of the original group that didn't have enough guides and allowed the acclimatization to be rushed.

[@Jasper7182009]

The two guides would have the final say and so the group should not have been broken up. If two persons couldn’t make it up to the summit, then the whole group should’ve stayed behind and descend. That’s the first fatal mistake. The guides did not take into consideration the safety of the whole group. The second fatal mistake is when the second group went up and the ropes were not secured into the rock and ice. That’s not negligence on the part of that guide, that is potential manslaughter - If one hiker falls, then he takes the whole group with him and that is what happened. The guide who stayed behind with the other two persons was courageous- it is tragic that his courage was not matched With leadership ability.

[@melodiefrances3898]

@@oldgysgt Russia is not a nanny state. It's a thug state.

[@alinonymous]

Initial responsibility for climbing without proper acclimatization and roped without securing the rope.

[@consciousobserver629]

My sister was hiking up a mountain in Hawaii in the dark hours of the morning. They were on a very strict schedule because they wanted to take selfies at the top when the sun rose. My sister lost her footing and almost fell to her death. It's best not to rush any sort of climb. Being alive is more important than anything else.

[@truenokill]

Dangerous selfies. Gosh so glad for you she made it

[@Anonymous38572]

Lol she'd never live it down, literally

[@88Kimberly888]

Stupid millennials and their selfies 😂 surprised she wasn't in heels

[@marchellochiovelli7259]

@@Anonymous38572 Nice word play. Bravo!!

[@consciousobserver629]

@@truenokill I'm glad, too! It would have been devastating to lose my sister. Even though I have four. Lol They all matter to me!!

[@PhilAndersonOutside]

While the company is somewhat to blame, the fact that guide Ivan Alabugin was detained is absolutely ridiculous. He was hired to do a job, and did his best. In fact, he kept his specific clients safe, then heroically attempted to rescue and save the others. Charging him accomplishes absolutely nothing, and will do zero to improve safety, or make climbing safer anywhere on the planet. Someone in the outdoor community needs to start a GoFundMe for Ivan.

[@TheCinnamondemon]

Did you not listen? Rushed acclimatization, no official credentials, attempting to summit in bad weather, not enough guides per client. I don’t know the full story so i cannot say that he is definitely to blame or not, but that’s what the investigation is for.

[@JohnRiversOfficial]

literally a copy of someone else's comment.

[@matthewotis3594]

Mother Russia must have its vengeance

[@Parlimant_Strifey]

The clients trying to speed it up was a dangerous decision alone. If they didn't want to take the time to do it with the best outcome in mind, then they shouldn't be blaming the guides at all. Mountain climbing takes time, the mountain itself is also increasingly unpredictable the higher one goes.

[@Bayplaces]

Guides have a high degree of responsibility in regard to managing summit fever. I've got a few mountain guide friends, it's fairly standard procedure to tell clients "no".

[@dfuher968]

@@Bayplaces Agreed. Its up to the guides to keep it at a safe pace. They should not allow the clients and their cheap return airfares to set the pace. Either they go by the safe pace set by the guides, and if that doesnt fit their airfare timeline, then either get new tickets or turn back on take ur cheap tickets home.

[@danielpaulson8838]

They were alpine glacier climbing. You don’t secure to the ground for that. You rope together exactly as they did. They likely didn’t train much together in fall arrest techniques, and they were desperately trying to get to the summit when they should have turned back.

[@danielpaulson8838]

@trollolol A group skilled in Ice ax, fall arrest techniques will protect each other as trained. An unskilled group, roped together for show will be fine. Till one person falls. Then they all go because they lack the fall arrest skills. Of course, at the end of the day, we don't know what happened to them.

[@misarthim6538]

@trollolol I think he's mistaking it with fixed rope like you'd have on some himalayan climbs. But yeah, you don't do that for climbing like this. That said, 9 on 1 rope is A LOT. Otherwise I totally agree, what is needed is people being more conscious about the risks, skills involved, being willing to turn back if the weather gets worse or their strenght is not sufficient, not more regulation which would anyway only meant more bribes and red tape. Especially in Russia.

[@JadedBelle]

@trollolol Joe Simpson and Simon Yates

[@lisaperry5999]

@@JadedBelle read Joe's book and watched the recreation with him narrating Touching the Void.

[@JadedBelle]

@@lisaperry5999 Yes I have...both several times. Such a fascinating though unfortunate situation. The physical and the psychological strength that was required is unreal.

[@vladispassov]

As far as I got it, they were walking up a glacier. Being roped together and moving simultaneously is a very classical technique for glacier walks, we use it all the time. A very similar technique is used on rock/mixed alpine routes and called simul-climbing. The idea is that if one of the climbers falls into a crevasse, the others can arrest the fall and pull him/her out. If the terrain gets too steep and the climbers estimate that the fall of one can lead to the entire rope's fall, they have to switch to pitch-climbing. Surely, I don't know if, in the case of the story, the terrain was too steep for safe simul-climbing. Maybe it was. But to tell that pitch-climbing is a must in general, is not correct. It is, in fact, very, very rarely used in glacier moving.

[@nycine6172]

Is it safe to rope that many up all together? Or would it have been safer to break the roped group into 4 + 4? Asking because I'm genuinely curious.

[@DrewWithington]

Yes but ... when a group of climbers is crossing a glacier they will spread themselves apart on the rope, so that if one suddenly falls into a hidden crevasse the others will a) not fall straight into the same crevasse b) have time to try to anchor themselves, using crampons and ice axe, so they can try to hold the fall. A climbing rope is typically 50 metres. 9 climbers on on 50 metre rope works out at about 6 metres apart, which is too close. PS I have been alpine climbing, and nearly fallen in a crevasse.

[@vladispassov]

@@nycine6172 Indeed, 4+4 is always better than 8 altogether. From purely safety point of view, there's no big difference unless there's avalanche danger (then the 4+4 has many advantages). From practical point of view 4+4 is better because it will allow longer rope between the climbers (we rarely use ropes longer than 50 m).

[@vladispassov]

@@DrewWithington Yes, I agree, 9 climbers on the same rope is exaggerated. Unless you have only one rope, of course.

[@anais4766]

@@nycine6172 guess there might be thoughts went on with 1 guide 8 clients. If split into 2, whom to lead/manage/safe guide the 2nd group? Things you do for money... really shouldn't risk people's life like that. But when you paid to go up the mountain, for many maybe a hard call not getting what they want. And once you received money from the clients, maybe your bargaining power weakens, even if you're speaking of truth.

[@Error_4x5]

There's a thin line between adventure and stupidity and sadly these guys crossed it.

[@alinonymous]

You hire a guide precisely to avoid doing stupid things inadvertently.

[@Error_4x5]

@@alinonymous The two guides they had didn't help them avoid anything.

[@Error_4x5]

@Pat Luxor No but I'm not stupid either.

[@0zWiz]

It's called natural selection. 👍

[@brigidlander1775]

May they Rest In Peace!

[@vargasbryce]

72000 rubles is 1150 us dollars for all my American friends! Love the video!

[@josmclove4426]

Tnanx.The narrator is lazy....

[@annetteloquercio3174]

👍🏽...hoped all the videos on channel could/ would dish out to viewers the u.s.conversions..... rethinkn .... I should prolly comment for my own lazy ' metric - challenged ' self 😔😡🤔

[@JamieBerghoff]

This comment should be number one.

[@Kookygirl111]

Horrible that the man that went back up to help is being charged for anything at all. He was not at fault. Also, I was wondering if Archie's Archives could possibly do some videos on canyoneering disasters. There are a lot I'd love to hear about in depth and I think this channel would do justice on those.

[@MarzMelozToazted]

I agree on both points. He could also expand into hiking, diving, caving, etc especially if they are from the former Soviet block. I feel like I've heard the same stories repeated on the rest of KZbin for those subject matters but nobody talks about the events from Russian based participants in English at least.

[@eirschu8973]

He was charged because he was guilty, that’s simple.

[@h.f6364]

@@eirschu8973 braindead behavior

[@cliffthatcher4574]

@@eirschu8973 Justice not tempered with mercy is no justice.

[@cfrandre8319]

@@eirschu8973 He was charged because that’s the Russian system. You’re guilty until proven innocent, no matter how peripheral your involvement. Holdover laws from Stalin...they may have thrown out the ineffectual “communism” ideals, but they kept the harsh laws against the people.

[@ninelaivz4334]

There are steam and sulphur vents on volcanoes that you can fall into and get cooked alive as happened to a family on a day out on mount Vesuvius. They woke up had breakfast at home, drove up the volcano, went for a stroll and were cooked alive by mid day. Wild horses couldn't drag me up live volcanoes or dangerous mountains.

[@jackoh991]

They are very beautiful and countless people go every year and are fine. Your comment is like me saying I'd never get in a car because so many people die in car accidents

[@semoneg2826]

Exactly humans are crazy

[@derekmclean5603]

Very true. To live a life without aspiring to do adventurous and challenging activities would be to live an unfulfilled, dreary and boring life, never dreaming to experience the wonders of this planet and fulfilling these dreams, instead of existing in a grey, dull twilight world. Sometimes adventures do end up with unintended consequences but it’s still preferable to dying of boredom.

[@rainshadows7086]

recently we had an accident here in MT shasta california USA where a guide with 2 tourist who never climbed before had accident on a glissade. the guide was tied couple while trying to traverse the glissade when the women tourist slipped and her rope pulled the guide and the other tourist. the man was able to use his ice axe and was able to stop him self, but the guide and the women fell 2500 down this glissade. the guide and the other women died and the womens husband was the only survivor only because he was able to use his ice axe in time. this accident started a debate of how inexperienced climbers put not only their lives at risk, but their guides and they should not be doing things they have never done before. MT shasta is an easy climb for most experienced climbers. a guide is someone who shows the path. they are not there to instruct or help people climb who never climbed before.

[@isabellaangeline2175]

I’m fine if stupid people want to put their own lives in danger. But they shouldn’t expect guides and rescuers to endanger their own lives just because they were too stupid to think their plan through.

[@icedclips725]

Very interesting I'll have too look that up I spent a few years in dunsmuir in my teens and always wanted to climb Shasta.

[@nomadpurple6154]

At some point everyone had not climbed before, was inexperienced, we all have to start somewhere, if you only allow "experts" then there will be no new climbers.

[@NondescriptMammal]

The guide should always take some responsibility for assessing the fitness and competency of prospective clients, though. The guide presumably knows well what difficulties and hazards will be involved in the climb. They should have the integrity to deny their services to those who they can tell are not fit and competent enough to complete the climb. If the climbers are too inexperienced or unfit physically, the guide should recommend they train first by attempting much easier climbs first.

[@jackoh991]

@@isabellaangeline2175 that's why they pay a guide who can make the right calls and say if too dangerous. That's the guides job so the only way to put a guides life at risk is if the tourist lies about their skills or experience. If not lying the guide is putting the tourist at risk.

[@davidlanham99]

I have never felt like I was missing something by not climbing mountains. I can’t imagine wanting to go up there.

[@blackcorp0001]

The views , the air , the pov

[@averytokar9612]

Mountains in Banff are safe and sooooo worth the 6-8 hour walk.

[@huginug]

There are safe hikes, but you need to research and go in good weather. Hiking junkies often forego precautions or rush leading to these incidents. Ironically people like you with the most anxiety are the safest to hike with because they will bail at the first sight of danger. I had to hike a too steep for my comfort slope once so my husband and sister let me go first and control the pace so we went slow and safe. The views were mesmerizing which made them not look at the ground and stumble on rocks which had me freaking out and reminding them to watch their step every 30 seconds and point out every slippery rock.

[@aphrodite7194]

Mountain climbing is much safer than cave diving. Volcano climbing is the more dangerous version of mountain climbing.

[@kingamity1985]

Cool

[@barrymayson2492]

I find a lot of people push themselves to get to a certain point. Which is fine but they never think that they have to do the same on the return. It's difficult but you have to get the experience of turning back before you feel exhausted. It's a very difficult thing to do.

[@flaviomonteiro1414]

This.

[@deadtreebark]

I learned this riding a bicycle, good advice

[@abigail1023]

"He tried to climb an active volcano". Who would think anything could go wrong?

[@semoneg2826]

How was this allowed in the first place...volcanoes are very dangerous

[@temich1985]

Reminds of one Netflix documentary I saw recently about the one in New Zeland

[@Maverick_GF13]

Driving on the highway is far more dangerous, but it's a daily part of everyone's life. Something is going to everyone, so least make it interesting. I'm an active climber and mountaineer as well as a guide and climbing is the most important part of my life. It's funny how society condemns those involved with tragedies while climbing but celebrates those who are successful in their attempts. Food for thought

[@Mara-d2x]

@@Maverick_GF13 Do you climb active volcanoes?

[@Maverick_GF13]

@@Mara-d2x I do.

[@Chiller01]

Glacier travel is very hazardous and obviously the members of this group were not qualified to be on this glacier. All the climbers should have at least some training in crevasse rescue. The climb should not have proceeded once one guide had to descend. That being said one doesn’t anchor to the rock or ice during glacier travel. The animation depicts the installation of a bolt used in sport climbing, totally not applicable in this case. The team ropes together as was done. They shouldn’t have roped as one group, however. Two groups of four would be more appropriate. However both groups need to be knowledgeable in crevasse rescue. If one member breaks through an ice bridge or unseen crevasse the other members of the roped team should be able to arrest the fall. Once arrested the climbers on the surface should know how to set up a pulley like system to assist the fallen climber out of the crevasse.

[@LilyGazou]

All true. I took classes on mountains to learn this, rehearsed over and over. But what I found on one trip is that some people lose focus, don’t pay attention, forget simple things. Like how to yell “falling” or how to drop and anchor the axe when you hear that. I was second on a rope, got suddenly yanked off my feet,managed to get my axe buried. Then I look around- this gal fell through behind me and didn’t yell, the two below her were just gawking and the “leader” in front ran past me to haul the girl out. All these people were on one rope anchored only by one axe. Never went with any of them again. It really brought the books to life, how accidents happen on mountains.

[@m14lvr]

I was raised in the mountains and have never heard of doing acclimatizing hikes at 15k. Did these people just arrive or just out of shape? I live in the flat lands now but still do 14ers as a day hike. Granted everyone reacts to altitude differently but that seems like alot of wasted energy for a novice group.

[@TheDudeKicker]

I really enjoy the way the narrator puts his head in a bucket whenever he quotes someone.

[@donaldlyons537]

I wonder if you could do a video about an incident that happened in colorado around 1980. My brother in law's brother Died roped with others. How many people passed away I'm not sure. Jess Donnell was his name. He was in a Program that took inner city teens to the mountains. Apparently they had come to some snow or ice and they weren't experienced in that respect. Thanks for your consideration ! Love your work. Carry on and Be well...

[@sirridesalot6652]

I wonder if any of this happened because those who did not turn back wanted to do the ascent because of the financial costs they incurred for getting to this adventure? Many times people will push ahead in unfavourable conditions because of the amount of money they spent preparing for and getting to their adventure area. Often times this leads to tragedy.

[@dorianward4909]

I think I heard the guy say that some of the climbers already bought plane tickets home for the 9th. If they missed the flight,they would have to pay extra.

[@matildafaltyn6253]

Always

[@my12spoonswithrose43]

I can't understand why the second guide is being blamed when he wasn't there. He went up as soon as he heard to try & rescue survivors. I hope they are both released uncharged.

[@moviemaker2011z]

Because in Russia you are guilty until proven guilty. You go to jail and stay there until they decide you can go. No investigations will actually be performed and if any are actually conducted it's not in any way shape or form done in a fair manner. Once arrested you might as well just assume the worse case and get ready to live behind bars for a long time.

[@chesterfieldthe3rd929]

@@moviemaker2011z pathetic country

[@moviemaker2011z]

@Chesterfield The 3rd I don't think people understand how bad Russia really is. There's a reason why we all joke and point out about its oppressive nature...

[@НиколайИванов-в8ы1я]

Because that guide, as a professional, made a huge miscalculation and was a partial cause for multiple idiots dying a horrible death. That about sums it up.

[@daniels7717]

He didnt have Bad intentions i think but in such a Job you have many responsibilities and peoples lifes depend on You.

[@cattymajiv]

I commend this channel! Others would have dragged it out at least twice as long, with 100s of tiny, boring details, then loaded it with ads every 5 minutes. This guy tells the story, but doesn't bore us with things that don't matter. Bravo to him! Because of that I subbed to both of his channels. (He has a true crime channel too.)

[@autumnleaves2766]

The second guide rushed back up the mountain to try to help the group who had fallen. He comforted his colleague as he lay dying from his injuries. It's appalling that he has been arrested and charged with manslaughter, and could end up in the notorious Russian prison system for years. I hope he has access to a good lawyer and that he will be released soon.

[@НиколайИванов-в8ы1я]

The guy literally participated in one - its like if you crashed a truck into a school bus and evacuated 2 children from the wreck after, but ended up killing 9. You still F'd up A LOT.

[@dw-xy9vm]

It was partially his own negligence that caused this. Just because he comforted someone he helped lead into a deadly situation doesn't make him the good guy? Lmao. It makes him responsible, and that's how he was rightfully treated.

[@redfo3009]

Lawyers are what caused this mess in the first place. They put him in jail and he have to find one to get him out. Lawyers are akin to the devil

[@heatnicoleher]

Even if one of the hikers had an ice pick at the ready, there's a very little chance they could compete with the momentum of 7 other people.

[@crusader.survivor]

Archie's Archive is my go to source for all mountain disasters. I especially love that your focus is throughout Russia. My paternal Koreski ancestral homeland is Primorskiy Krai, Russia. The funny story of how Kamchatka got its name is from the Russian-Koreskis that first settled there. As soon as they arrived, the volcanoes, earthquakes, extreme cold and weather, and all natural hazards was taken it account and they exclaimed 'Aygo Kamchatka 아이고 감챁가', Korean for 'Oh so terrible, I gotta leave'.

[@Fuzzamajumula]

Good story! "Aygo Kamchatka!" 😂

[@taylorg8509]

Any other hiking channels that are good ? I've been binging this content as well

[@wrangelinhabitant161]

Wow)Asiens also were there as first...

[@dana102083]

@@taylorg8509 mr.deified cross covers mountaineering and cave diving and other disasters. David snow has lots of good mountaineering content. Lots of people do the same stories and steal.feom each other..not sure who was first lol

[@geodegremlin3534]

@@taylorg8509 check out the channel ‘scary interesting’!! He does great covers of caving disasters, mountain climbing stories etc!

[@Brind-amour]

This channel is remarkable, deserves a million subscribers and likes.

[@guardrailbiter]

Nope.

[@nimifhana]

@@guardrailbiter 🤓

[@lifesahobby]

a common theme with tragedy is the rush / plan ,/ time table approach . these return flights are the real cause . having to be back for the job .

[@villagelightsmith4375]

As a river guide without time, I detested that fact of clients/guests. They always KNEW it's a 5 day trip so they invariably scheduled 4 days for it and ask if the guide can row faster to get them back to their transport a half day early. "It's easy to shave a day off! I did it with the stroke of a pen!" (In your imagination!) I was a guide, not a Time Lord! I never wanted to be an a***h***e, but there were times when I wanted to quit wiping butts and turn the river's flow over to somebody else. However, I was responsible for herding the guests past hazards they would have "found" if left to their own devices. Those hazards often took them where it was only an oar stroke between life and death. My job was to make that difference in their lives, every time, without fail, exposing them to just enough apparent (as opposed to real) hazard that they would return with the memory of a good time, great thrills, beautiful rivers & canyons, fun people and good food. Regardless of how much fun they were having, clients never afforded the guides the luxury of enough time to make it an even better trip.

[@dfuher968]

@@villagelightsmith4375 And I bet, most of those clients never knew, how hard u fought to keep them safe from themselves, and went home bitching about, how u barely got them back in time for their flight. Im not a pro like u, but I know for sure, that u dont rush nature. Either have the time to do it the safest way at natures pace, or cut it short and go home or dont go at all. Mother Nature does not give a fig about ppls schedules and airfares and all that crap.

[@gwynn2528]

There are a lot of channels like this but idk, there is something about this guys voice that keeps me coming back.

[@tonicastel5933]

Very tragic. RIP & condolences to their family, friends & colleagues.

[@myrnamiranda1006]

Thank you for narrating clear the story and respectful of not having loud background music.

[@cmcer1995]

"Git There Itis" has often led to tragedies. Being in a hurry on a tough climb is a deadly combination. These guides were criminally negligent for disobeying basic snow and ice navigation, especially the one that continued the climb. He set-up a fatal scenario that once initiated could only end up being deadly. The other guide for leaving to go down with only one guide with inexperienced and varying levels of mountain climbing. Should he go to jail...not really because he was not the one who had these people rope up together instead of just coming back down, that was totally irresponsible decision making. Always error on the side of caution.

[@christosvoskresye]

1 m/s is a little more than 2 mph, for those wondering about the conversion.

[@Kuwaitisnot_adeployment]

The actual formula is mps × 2.37 so 20 mps is 44.739 mph

[@MarzMelozToazted]

Thank you for your narrations. I listen to a lot of similar content but most of it seems to be the same historical events repeated by narrators, focusing on the western nations (Western Europe, US etc) . Your narrations are more focused on the former Soviet block that did not and still do not get media attention (like this story). I found your channel today and I am amazed by the amount of content you have created about events that I've never heard of despite being very versed in history, climbing and climbing disasters etc. That being said they remind me exactly of the western stories in a sense that you see the dedication to achieve something seemingly impossible, sometimes at all costs. And while such hubris can be deadly, it's beautiful to see the brotherhood that develops among climbers worldwide to lend a hand to those in need or put your on dreams on hold to ensure no one is left behind..

[@UnlistedChannel932]

Well done video. I love how you bring us stories we haven't heard before.

[@creativitycell]

My worst fear is being attached to others by an unattached rope, I just don't trust other people to not step somewhere stupid, no way would I be attached like that, I'll take my solo chances thank you! 😳

[@semoneg2826]

Agree

[@jackt5617]

There is a fine line in all adventures with anyone, between being a glorious story and memory or a tragic headline and statistic.

[@rosemarydudley9954]

As the old saying goes ... "Play silly games, win stupid prizes" ... Preparation is the best part of success.

[@Kuwaitisnot_adeployment]

For my American Brother's and Sister's out there the formula to convert meters per second to miles per hour is multiplying the speed by 2.237. So in this case the equation is (20 mps × 2.237 = 44.739 mph)

[@cremebrulee4759]

Thanks!!!

[@Dudderlyful]

The whole thing is in meters! I needed this, thanks.

[@danieltoth3900]

nagyon szépen köszönjük!

[@MackerelCat]

They was nice of you to share that equation 😊

[@rg-pq1kb]

‘Mericans don’t do math… just tell us the answer you red commie

[@drofnats1962]

Thanks for pointing us into the direction of your other Channel, I'll be popping by after watching this video.

[@brendaguerin1409]

I can't imagine doing any activity that could guarantee the possibility of getting killed doing it.

[@Apanblod]

'Could guarantee the possibility of' is a somewhat bewildering phrasing! 😅

[@LilyGazou]

I used to climb. But eventually I had to accept I didn’t have that kind of strength anymore. As long as you train, learn skills and especially know your team is truly prepared, it can be worth the effort. For one mountain, we had to turn back because of bad weather- but one woman really resisted. Summit fever is dangerous.

[@Sexychoclte215]

@@LilyGazou it’s always bad weather!! The mountains don’t want y’all there that’s y all of a sudden the weather changes. The mountain says you gonna learn today. This seems like a $ grab $70-80,000 to climb just to turn around or die trying I’ll pass. Next time buy the Mercedes Benz or BMW because in the long run you wished you did!!!

[@TheMaulam12345]

guarantee vs possibility? cant be both

[@johnf9935]

Driving a car?

[@lilyloveslife2737]

@Archie's Archives.... I just wanted to say I really enjoy your channel and I named my horse Archie because of your channel too! 🐎

[@jsmith8904]

You might be interested in doing a video on White Island eruption in 9 Dec 2019. It was a terrible event that took 22 lives.

[@rosemarydudley9954]

I watched that one. Very sad but well documented.

[@jaredpeterson380]

The rush to get to your goal in dangerous situations has caused many deaths. Pilots call it getthereitis.

[@alinonymous]

Yes, please do keep us posted. This is very intriguing. Did this happen as they were traversing the crevasse, or going along it? Was it visible (gaping open) or did it become apparent only when the first climber fell in? How steep was the slope at that point? There's negligence in general when climbing roped but not secured, and then there's aggravated negligence when not reacting properly to a manifest danger. The details of this case are paramount to assessing and ascribing responsibility.

[@cgordon1386]

Aggravated negligence, very interesting.

[@gailierunninglynx7310]

Yes, that's what I want to know. More about the crevasse and exactly what happened there!!

[@JoeyOnly]

Extreme sports people, they walk right by what the mountain is trying to show them.

[@Auny111]

Imprisonment is overkill for sure. Of course, things were neglected, not done right and possibly not taken seriously. But to saddle the incident on the two people who are just trying to make a living and bring adventure to others , that isn't really fair. Any mountain climber knows the risks they're taking to be there.

[@gxvq]

Really liked the graphics!

[@المرتدالفخور]

Rip to the victims. On a side note, i would love to visit Kamchatka someday.

[@flaviomonteiro1414]

Same!

[@sheilathailand1903]

Flown over it, it looks amazing from 32,000 ft.

[@Sarah-tj1tq]

I've been away for a bit and got a notification for this video. I'd forgotten how awe-inspiring your videos are. Thank you for making them. I'd begged for the Dyatlov Pass video, so I'm going to watch that next.

[@sirridesalot6652]

There is an adage in sea kayaking that is also very applicable to mountaineering. that adage is, " Make haste SLOWLY".

[@badcampa2641]

i was shocked to hear they all died so suddenly. My condolences go to all concerned

[@semoneg2826]

Over an active volcano..am not shock

[@silentbliss7666]

I smelled trouble the moment Archie mentioned that one guide has to turn back with 2 climbers. Leaving 1 guide with 8 inexperience climbers is asking for disaster. At an altitude of more than 4000 meters our brain and body won't be functioning at normal capacity, impeding reaction time and reflexes. I've done that once and never want to do it again

[@EWAMILENAP]

You have reached a brilliant life saving decision in the end.

[@matthewbernard4152]

Could you imagine being in a crevasse 500m from a mountains peak… and instead of just worrying about freezing to death but also the possibility of your crevasse filling with lava 😅💀

[@SuperLio333]

Which is worse? Lol

[@matthewbernard4152]

@@SuperLio333 honestly I’d be more scared of the lava. I have already excepted the possibility of freezing to death or falling in a crevasse years ago when I decided the mountains were for me. Lava… I’ll happily look at it from a distance someday on a Hawaiian beach 😂

[@newshodgepodge6329]

I first heard of Kamchatka over a decade ago. They say that it is as beautiful as it is potentially perilous. Unfortunately I can only ever dream of going. I have too many physical limitations. I can only watch from afar through the eyes of others.

[@ShazBookOwl]

It was a tragedy, and my heart goes out to the families of the those who didn't make it home. Having said that, it was avoidable. Like so many tragedies, there appears not just one error or circumstance that is the cause, but rather many in a succession of poor decisions and planning. As others have noted, the speeding up of the trek - was a fatal mistake.

[@sithlordhibiscus9936]

Seeing the summit is like seeing a yellow light; you're not nearly as a close as you think but you speed up because the idea of waiting another round isn't appealing. Unfortunately, summits are yellow lights that turn to red - or green - lights in an instant. Best to slow down, stop and wait to see if conditions improve or turn back ASAP.

[@medea27]

Bravo Archie, this video was excellent 👏 I don't think people truly appreciate how different & dangerous climbing an active volcano is... it's a barely-slumbering beast. Unlike Everest or K2, _it's reshaping itself under your feet in real time..._ it _creates it's own weather..._ and it can make the very _air you breathe toxic_ (sulphur emissions) & _damaging_ (volcanic ash is full of tiny glass particles). Given how active the Kamchatka region is, I would expect guides to have some specialised training in volcanology to properly identify hazards & operate safely in that environment... mountaineering experience is not enough when you are responsible for other people's safety. RIP to the victims 🤍 And I just wanted to say that this video was top notch 👌 Your content has been excellent right from the start, and yet you still focus on making each video better than the last. Loved the animated graphics showing the position of each climber on the volcano & the rescuers being dropped off so low on the slope... it makes a complex event so quick & easy to understand. 👍 Heading over to check out the other channel now 💜

[@xObscureMars]

Everest and k2 are always changing as well. They have ice that moves and the mountains are not static.

[@quietcosmos.]

I absolutely disagree with the second guide getting charges pressed. How is he guilty of an accident that he was not present for? He made the responsible, correct decision and now he’s paying the price for it. He couldn’t force the rest of the group to wait with him.

[@myrnamiranda1006]

Just subscribed cause I found this story interesting & sad at the same time. R.I.P. their souls 🙏😔 thank you for sharing.

[@DarkKitarist]

Having volcanoes on your coat of arms is badass tbh...

[@funnyperson4027]

Do not mess with Kamchatka. One of the most volcanically active areas in the world

[@HiddenHistoryYT]

Welp I will cross climbing an active volcano off my to do list

[@e.t.2914]

stories like this make me realize earth is far from tamed

[@notperfect101]

Since nobody who was there at the time of the accident survived, it's hard to tell what really happened, so we can't really judge anyone. But to think that all accidents can be prevented by certificates and such is an illusion. No matter how well trained, prepared and experienced you are, all it takes is one loose rock at the wrong time and place and it's over. The mountain is the mountain. It doesn't care about you. It just is. You are on your own. If you want to enter an environment that is completely hostile to human life and remote from any help or support you have to be aware of that and accept that. And I think people do. That is the thrill that adventure seekers enjoy after all. To go somewhere others would not dare because of the danger. If it were perfectly safe then it wouldn't be an adventure, no? Of course nobody expects to be an unfortunate accident but they happen. And will continue to happen as long as there are humans who enter the mountains. To minimize the risk basically know your limits. Don't be overconfident or stubborn. You're just a puny human. Nature will devour you in a heartbeat and on a whim if she so pleases.

[@semoneg2826]

Wish I could thumps you up a hundred times

[@edwigcarol4888]

It lets me think of very rare high skills that can o.n.l.y and e.x.c.l.u s i v.e.l.y be gained through exposure to high risks Like the extrem sports in climbing. The mind is so thrilled by the danger that it gets to a very very sharp attention, a flow state.. and gets rewarded . Like the samurais did. In a society suffering from a pandemic of attention deficit, this has some value

[@kingfisher9553]

Beautiful views of the area, no wonder the climbers wanted to try. But inexperience of paying climbers was fatal - perhaps exacerbated by not enough guides, certainly fatal because of rushing. It astonishes me that no one had the basic knowledge of physics to know the danger of roping nine climbers together without anchoring the rope.

[@Свободадляроссии]

That is not exactly right. Roping together on glaciers is always done because of the danger of crevasses. This is done for two people and also for eight at least, and it becomes safer with every person added as there is more collective weight to counterbalance a potential fall. Even on steep glaciers this is common. Anchoring the rope is also a lot of effort, placing ice screws takes valuable time. Sometimes it is impossible to place any if there is lots of snow on the ice. Older snow layers can become quite hard, too hard to dig through multiple times, but rarely enough to hold a screw. Sometimes the decision is made to unrope, usually on very steep slopes were there is no chance of stopping a fall anyway. That decision is up to the climbers and still the chance of catching a fall is higher with more people. Yes, these guys still might have screwed up but the practice in itself is very well established and makes sense in most cases.

[@semoneg2826]

Beautiful views with a deadly volcano what are people thinking

[@primesspct2]

News flash people! Mountains are dangerous, you are risking your life every time you do it. That's just the reality of it. Guides or no guides.

[@adamalton2436]

Kamchatka is a cursed name. A repair ship named Kamchatka was a perpetual thorn in the side of the imperial Russian fleet en route to Port Arthur during the Russo Japanese war.

[@WaylonCampbell]

I wonder if whomever filmed that b-roll of the mountain at 22:00 noticed the bears in the shot or not. Maybe that's why they took that particular chance of revealing the mountain from behind the knoll, on which blumbles along a big brown bear with baby behind. Almost didn't even catch how much there is to appreciate in that little piece of cinematographic splendor.

[@TheSybil47]

Thanks. I didn't see it myself.

[@medea27]

Good catch! I missed them completely watching on my mobile, but even looking at it again on a computer it looks like the mountain was the focus for the shot... the cinematographer doesn't track with the bear's path at all, so I suspect they didn't notice them until afterwards. Lucky shot of a mama & baby bear!

[@NettiieB]

Can you point out the bear if you can, I cant see it. Thank you

[@medea27]

@@NettiieB @ 22:04 - if you look at the rocky shoreline that's at the bottom of the screen, the bears start out near the middle & as the boat gets closer you can see them moving towards the bottom-right side of your screen. You'll need to watch it on a computer because they are very small in the shot & well camouflaged in that rocky area!

[@NettiieB]

@@medea27 Ah yes I see it, with the baby following! Thank you

[@kenymus]

Climbing an active volcano ? What could possibly go wrong? I try to not judge others. Sometimes, in this case, very hard. Had they pulled it off, imagine the name they could’ve made for themselves. They rolled the dice and unfortunately lost.

[@kenymus]

So..replied before watching to the end. The guides had actually climbed the volcano multiple times before. WHAT THE ACTUAL FUK? KZbin doesn’t give me an option to edit or delete my comment . Though I’ve been able to do so before. Idk what their angle is. If it’s to infuriate users, then, mission accomplished.

[@JJJJJJJJJJ124]

Negligence clearly 💯

[@capnfrankly]

It is unfortunate that we spend so much time on locating and apportioning blame on people for often unforeseen shortcomings, rather than spending time fully analysing the event and its precursors.🤔

[@therange4033]

Just to say I've just found your channel and love it! Greetings from the UK.

[@MrIsomer]

Why is this video so dark? Or is it just my screen?

[@theway3058]

I agree. The last few vids he’s put out were way to dark.

[@juhopuhakka2351]

ice graphics 👌

[@toserveman9265]

@@juhopuhakka2351 Black Ice?

[@juhopuhakka2351]

@@toserveman9265 Correcktomundo,black ice.

[@eucliduschaumeau8813]

This is a clear case of "misadventure" and unpreparedness. The thing that is most difficult is how rescue crews have to risk their lives, saving people doing foolhardy things. Exploration and climbing are great, but this is just crazy. Also, the fact that the group split up so many times is usually the precursor to a disaster.

[@vickichavez9956]

So tragic that this happened to the climber’s

[@allybally0021]

My first thought was how could climbing an active volcano go wrong......

[@Mark-ux7yh]

Just curious, whats 20m/second in mph?

[@ImmortalTreknique]

Nice graphics 👌 👊👍💪🍻

[@abelis644]

Sad story. But for an experienced guide to have all of his people tied together wasn't too bright.

[@OniJasper]

Hello from the USA. Thank you for your time and interesting videos. RIP lost climbers.

[@rolfsinkgraven]

Rushing up knowing bad weather is coming, road too disaster.

[@jessehutchings]

True what others said. I have to say thanks for this video especially because I have never heard of this story before

[@cali.girllivinnnevada8]

I love the way you pronounced, “treacherous” 😂 👌🏼

[@Taerin74]

Never blame the guide he worked for a company that didn't train him right I'm sure the guide had no idea how dangerous his decisions were to the group. Most people that do extreme sports have a special bond right away because they trust with their lives, at least from my experience.

[@НиколайИванов-в8ы1я]

Yes, he was undertrained, underpaid and STILL took the responsibility for the lives of other even less trained people most of whom ended up dead. Even in the US it would be classified as unintended manslaughter

[@Taerin74]

@@НиколайИванов-в8ы1я extremely true however in the US they would go after the company and not usually the guide. Kinda like how they don't go after police that straight up murder people. They go after the city instead.

[@DrewWithington]

9 people on one rope is nuts and totally unsafe.

[@lucyk.5163]

Rushing to finish to save money on plane tickets + knowing bad weather was coming + separating groups + not acclimatizing + lacking guides + active glacier volcano. Really, what could go wrong?

[@melodi996]

I knw you're going to make a video about this!

[@maxheadshot3287]

There are many comments below about the belaying on glaciers which is quite normal and appropriate, otherwise it's way too time consuming. But the nature and size of the crevasse could be of interest. They fell to the ground on the rocks ? This sounds like a big cavity below the surface, perhaps generated through volcanic heat and melting from below. Very dangerous i guess, could be affect more than one climber at once. Such a fall is surely hard to stop anyway and barely avoidable.

[@gnomeoundjuliet]

Please make a video about Kalina Velevska and Aleksandar Minovski losing their lives on Kajmakcalan. Very sad and wierd 😢

[@magicbulletdancers]

What an excellent presentation 👍 Will definitely check out more from this channel

[@あれくす]

God bless the heroic rescuers and those who stayed with the hurt and dying, who went back, to save people they arguable knew little about. Human but giants in their own rights. 🙏

[@mikejohnson5900]

Thanks for another great and well-researched video.

[@addsquirrel2171]

Mountains and volcanoes are not for tourists…they are for seasoned professionals.

[@semoneg2826]

Not even professionals are safe ..we could never fight nature

[@primesspct2]

The guide wwill suffer for ever and acted very bravely. Charging him is just wrong.

[@yakacm]

Hey Archie love the new video. Can I just ask, what's the difference between a mountain climber and a hiker? As a native English speaker, I always thought a hiker would be someone who is taking a walk in maybe lowland hills, with minimum equipment, maybe just boots, waterproof clothing and something to eat and drink? But I know nothing about climbing or hiking.

[@dubon6372]

I am a hiker, I don't do 6 months hikes like others, but I easily go 4 night into a forest on my own sometimes which is stupid to do. Anyway; hiking is much less risky because you don't have to worry about a rock falling on you from above, shelter in case of bad weather is easier to find, wind is not much of a concern if you prepared for the area you will be hiking, of course there are exceptions, and accidents can happen. Now climbing a peak like the one in the video, or one of the Himalayan peaks is another completely different activity, at that level of climbing, you don't only have to worry about being in Olympic athlete level physical condition, but also have a support system for the climb, proper gear, the guides, and even if you have all those requirements; it is the mountain who decides if you will make it down alive. In other words, anyone can be a hiker, only a few can be climbers.

[@toscadonna]

Hiking is usually just walking and not using equipment to climb up a surface. Climbing is where there’s a cliff or mountains, and you’re gonna need crampons, spikes, ice axes, harnesses, ropes, etc.

[@taylorg8509]

Hiking you don't need ropes Mountain climbing ropes are essential, and mountain climbers go vertical, often always roped in the whole climb

[@yakacm]

Thanks for the replies guys, I was wondering because Archie sometimes seems to use the term hiking interchangeably with climbing. I think this is maybe because Archie's native language maybe does this. This is no reflection on Archie's English skills, they are impeccable, I was just wondering.

[@medea27]

@@yakacm Native English speakers will also use them interchangeably because they both describe an act _and_ the activity or person performing the act (ie. you might _climb_ a rocky section while _hiking..._ or have to _hike_ to base camp before _climbing_ the mountain). That's why there are more specialised terms that describe a specific sport or activity (eg. alpineering, mountaineering, rock or ice climbing) but even people _within_ that group will use general terminology (ie. mountaineers will refer to themselves as 'climbers')... it can get confusing, but the _context_ (who said it & what they were talking about) is the most important part!

[@rchristy4540]

I guess you could call human stupidity a tragedy....

[@poutinedream5066]

My dad was a medic and was constantly scraping me up off the ground with this injury or that. Now, I can't imagine being more than 10 minutes from an ambulance arriving. This is crazy!

[@syrthdr09sybr34]

Seems to me that a lot of these accidents get blamed on the guides, but at the end of the day you and only you are fully responsible for your own actions and decisions. The fact that most climbers go to these incredibly hostile and unforgiving mountains with expectations, plus the wrong idea that they will be able to perfectly follow their own personal agenda shows just how naive and unprepared most of these people are. "We as individuals would much rather blame our death on someone else, rather to take responsibility of our own lives".

[@fletch4813]

Kamchatka was also the name of a ship that was lost with all hands in the Ruso-Japanese war. Basically, avoid anything bearing this name

[@menotyou6868]

Including the vodka

[@uncareid5557]

For us half deaf folk the constant drone is an annoyance

[@zebradun7407]

I kept looking to see if it was my phone ringing.

[@honorladone8682]

Who the hell would want to climb an active volcano?

[@kamithompson2770]

Stupid people would.

[@oneshothunter9877]

Uhm.. those guys you just watched?

[@peacefulpatriots]

When I look at these volcanoes, compost heaps comes to mind