Architecture firm says it will help with science centre repairs

[@Fenthule]

The fact that soo many are trying to keep it going while the Ford Government seems to be stonewalling that idea definitely makes me suspicious of what backdoor deals were done THIS time...

[@rohankurian5641]

Thank you for your service 🗽🗽🗽 Now lets see what FordNation , Pierre Poilievre & Chrystia Freeland were hiding about denying #covid #benefits to exploited workers Goodfood and #Amazon in their own 2 tierd justice system over the last 5 years!! Never forget the below points - 1. Greenbelt Scam - 8.3 Billion dollars. No arrests. 2. Ontario place #Scam - 1 billion$ +. No arrests. 3. #Ontario #Science Center #Scam - 1 billion$ plus. 4. University #suicides cover up linked to Immigration & human trafficking. 5. Unethicial surveillance by #Ford at hospitals during & after #Covid. 6. Old #folks died during #covid under dougs leadership. 7. Labour-trafficking in the #Ontario Supply Chain over the last 5 years..Women were targeted & assaulted..and #ford turned a blind eye. 8. Illegal access to #citizen bank accounts through #Scotiabank by #fords cronies. 9. Ontario teachers #Pension #fund scam - 95 million$ swindled - No one got arrested. 10. What was that again about trying to murder whistleblowers & witnesses under #Fords leadership?? 11. Doug snow-mobiled during a terrorist attack on #ottawa..He took a vacation when GOOD cops were being attacked. 12. Ford did a snow grave digging photo-op instead of feeding humans who were Dying. 13. #FraudFest over the years and using public services for his own private parties & jiffy #lube excursions 14. Insider trading by #billionaire Neil Cuggy , #freeland knew and did #NOTHING 15. AND thats just the tip of the ice-berg on dougs #Titanic 5 years

[@macberg5806]

Not everything is a “back door deal” just because you don’t like the decision or change.

[@jumbome7420]

lol bet you weren’t when wynne gave all her friends millions in kickbacks

[@jamesbrennenman8671]

​@@macberg5806Stop making excuses for corruption boot licker...this is 100% a back door deal. Ford's buddy purchased the adjacent property and wants to build, over priced condos...the same buddy who will be profiting, massively, from the building of the unneeded new highway. Stop being daft!!

[@BoogieBoogsForever]

​@@macberg5806 Ttue, but this is. Look up their record. They just got caught gangstering sale of our Greenbelt. This is a gangster PC government.

[@lovinglight1720]

Thank You to the Architect

[@mikec3971]

For what…giving people false hope? 😂

[@christinarosed.p.1967]

​@@mikec3971are you involved with Hinton? You're a weirdo! You don't even make sense.

[@scottshields250]

He says he will listen... just pick up the phone!... Unless theres another shady deal in the works and you get critisized for wanting the "Why"... doesnt pass the sniff test... wreaks of another greenbelt style deal.

[@navirose9133]

If it walks like a duck.

[@BoogieBoogsForever]

Exactly.

[@g.e.b.8159]

As if Premier Ford could understand any of these very sensible comments......

[@miketrotti4984]

Ford's policy portfolio in a nutshell; he only understands booze, gambling and backdoor development.

[@Doggo954]

Ontario science center is a shit hole

[@penlam]

Dougie F and his cronies are looking at a condo overlooking a ravine. Pretty prestigious locale if you can get your hands on it at the expense of the rest of us.

[@Jstrez]

It's better then putting more condos at the waterfront. The Ontario place would be a way better location. With waaaayyy more people traffic. With way more money. I know you feel bad about it. But their is fact and their is feelings.

[@jamesbrennenman8671]

​@@JstrezB.S!! No one wants it moved except wealthy developer friends of Doug Fraud who want to make a killing buliding over priced condos where the current science centre sits...his friend purchased the adjacent property!! Corruption!!

[@leo2caf594]

Province doesn't own the land, they lease it. The Crown (ie province) can't unilaterally change the terms of the lease to build anything else on the property

[@jamesbrennenman8671]

@@leo2caf594 It's a grit!! One of Ford's, developer, buddies bought the adjacent property...not a coincidence!!

[@tessietesoro7407]

Good, it could be repaired; why closed it permanently ? Unless Toronto was approached by developer to build condominuims with business retails on the ground ?

[@BoogieBoogsForever]

Ontario PC government famous for corruption. Look up the Greenbelt scandal.

[@SnowTiger45]

It was absolutely a Political Decision. I'm sure Ford would love for one of his Developer Friends to get a huge provincial contract to construct or renovate a structure at Ontario Place (which is further out of everyone's way to get there). Considering the ROM was shut down during COVID, they could actually close for one summer season and get ALL the roofs reconstructed. Interior Load-bearing Structural work could be done in sections while other sections are open to the public (depending on separation from noise). It's unfortunate that the Province has failed to properly maintain the ROM over recent years which would have saved everyone a ton of money by mitigating secondary damage etc. Again, I am confident that it has been a conscious decision by Ford to let the ROM deteriorate in order to have it relocated. I'm also sure that the land that the ROM currently sits on is likely ideal for Residential Development, so again Ford's "Buddies" can rake in $MILLIONS in developing/construction opportunities and to hell with the Public as far as the Science Centre goes.

[@Doggo954]

It wasnt. It's an ugly shit box. The roof is falling apart. Eventually the entire roof will need to be replaced.

[@angelanderson9515]

I’m sure even if it’s free repairs, the government will still figure out a way to shut it down. 😂😂😂 geeee I wonder why

[@Jstrez]

Because the Ontario place is a better location. Fact feelings I used to go there when I was a kid. We have to start acting on feelings.

[@jamesbrennenman8671]

​@@JstrezNo it is not!! Plus the new one will be HALF the size of the present one and many will lose decent paying jobs!! Stop defending corruption!!

[@glormymcglorm]

@@Jstrez at an outrageous expense to taxpayers when we literally ALREADY HAVE A SCIENCE CENTER? ARE YOU HIGH!?!?

[@Jstrez]

@@glormymcglorm That's very short sighted. According to a study that the Toronto star reported on. It would cost 2.3 billion dollars to fully update the old science center. Compaired to 1.7 billion dollars to build new one. Where are you getting your numbers from? I literally just googled it. Toronto star a liberal paper. And why would we repair the old one for 40 million on top of that? For your feelings. You would need to "high" to do that. Lol

[@Doggo954]

@@glormymcglorm Yeah a science center with defects. I don't think people understand. The roofs part of the problem. Sure its only a few pieces right now, but eventually the entire thing is going to need to replaced. Might as well just tear it down and start new somewhere else because the problems not fixed just because you change our the panels that are deteriorating now. Also its an ugly concrete box. We should actually try to build a country, or city, thats beautiful instead of just living with all this ugly architecture from the days of cheap short cuts.

[@Ickle_33]

There's no reason now not to reopen unless something dirty is afoot. It's quite simple

[@BoogieBoogsForever]

Doug Ford's PCs are dirty as shit.

[@Ickle_33]

@@BoogieBoogsForever So are the Liberals. Power makes anyone corrupt

[@heartsofsource1111]

Who owns/wants that land?!

[@jamesbrennenman8671]

A close friend of Doug Ford's, a developer, bought the adjacent property...not fishy at all! 🙄

[@leo2caf594]

City of Toronto & Toronto Region Conservation Authority owns the land and leased to province, the province can do nothing with the land and can't even break the lease they have, the Crown can't walk away from that lease

[@jamesbrennenman8671]

@@leo2caf594 You don't think right-wing Toronto councilors are working behind the scenes to facilitate Doug's developer buddy who bought the adjacent property to get his greedy hands on this property?? Please.

[@justsayin5609]

EXACTLY!!!

[@mikec3971]

@@leo2caf594landlord tenant act protects tenants. The province should simply stop paying and the matter will be tied up in litigation for the next 50 years. 😂

[@LifeofWalk]

Is this the same Moriyama that designed the Toronto Reference Library? Cause that library is amazing!! 😍

[@skeena59]

Yes, it is. Raymond Moriyama. R.I.P.

[@BoogieBoogsForever]

I agree. Great design in that library.

[@Sci-lives]

Engineer here. Limited civil but closing it does seem quite unnecessary. Ford seems to be friends with many developers and, combined with Ford’s track record, makes me think in a conspiracy minded manner 🤮

[@stephenjones5304]

Good thinking and a Great Proposal. Thank you. Let''s invite Doug Ford to save the taxpayers some money and preserve culturally significant buildings. Let's keep Toronto as Toronto.

[@SnowWhite-hr4ho]

Let's fix the roof no more condos

[@mikec3971]

Chow should buy the building and see if these offers of “free repairs” are genuine. If so, then Toronto will have a kick ass building for next to nothing.

[@user9b2]

Vote Ford out of office , it seems like we all know deals are made and they are not beneficial to the taxpayer.

[@8randomprettysecret8]

Feels like a political decision if there are crickets heard after multiple offers were made to repair the damages of the building...

[@BoogieBoogsForever]

Good! Let's go!!! Stop Doug Ford's money train!!!

[@anitacho9023]

If Ford is going to take down the building... i am happy to get him sent to space along with Trudeau

[@peterrivney552]

And how long before Ontario Place becomes condemned??? Because of old age ???

[@BoogieBoogsForever]

Are you serious? Dougie already closed it. And they're building a spa on the western side.

[@mikec3971]

Of course it’s unnecessary…their founder designed it. 😂. And free architectural services doesn’t cover the cost of labor and material.

[@eltanko178]

All because some fat envelope got passed under a table somewhere.

[@mariagillinson8527]

Absolutely the building need to be preserved. Not to change as the political parties change

[@glendamc6040]

It's an ugly concrete rectangle it's not a Heritage building

[@1ABNDT]

So why didn't you Lieberal criminals fix it during the Wynne McGuinty Sousa days, instead of ripping off the tax payer. "gas plant, Air Ambulance, E health computer, scandals.

[@vidthreenorth4007]

I have not done the research, but I expect that the Science Centre usage was reduced around 2020 for Covid-19, but after that problem was relaxed (look at Queen's Park and the City Hall currently in use), it could have been opened to the public and promoted. The facility has a history of use as small theatres which were rented out, and other community use. I would appreciate it if someone looked into what I am posting here. I don't have the time and resources.

[@yup6588]

Steel dome style roof

[@drumswest5035]

There is something fishy about this whole thing

[@davemcd9077]

Mr.Moriyama would be there to speak up as well...folks need not forget about him.

[@skeena59]

True, but unfortunately he passed away last year.

[@DouglasPrice-p9q]

... we need to shame Ford into reversing this unfortunate decision and re-opening the Ontario Science Centre

[@vzfbaby]

this will insure that a Canadian will be the one to invent the time machine

[@peterharoon6016]

So why wasn't this maintenance done? How is a building that has visitors not looked after.

[@BoogieBoogsForever]

The PCs let it run into the ground. Like they're doing to our health care system. PCs and Dougie F are all about privarizing everything. They get kickbacks. You should look up the Green Belt scandal...

[@Vac700R]

According to this interview, some of the maintenance has ALREADY started

[@Geekeric]

It might be good to use science to fix it. You know, might look good if the science building didn't collapse.

[@ghservices5397]

Thats waste of money like Gardiner expressway

[@jamesweekes6726]

More for the landfill, more waste, more needless CO2 emissions. This is NOT an old building...when did it become okay to demolish buildings before their time? Oh, I guess when "development" replaced manufacturing as an economic force. We don't need a new Science Centre, we need to fix the original one. This is not about "nostalgia" as the former director says, this is about common sense. Will Ford feel no shame when it's confirmed what we all know now, that his developer buddies want some prime real estate and he is more than willing to oblige? Doug Ford, prepare to meet thy voters!

[@dougtheslug6435]

I grew up in the 70's/80's going there a few times and later took my own kids there in the 90's.....would have definitely gone more except for the fact it was in the middle of nowhere. I think it makes sense to put it where people have access easily through transit and close to downtown. Ontario Place sounds like a good location.

[@b30233]

Current location will be connected to Line 5 when it opens later this year/early next. Ontario line will also eventually run through the area so it will eventually have connections to 2 major rapid transit lines (plus also easy access from the DVP). The new science center at Ontario place on the other hand is a pretty substantial walk away from the streetcar loop at exhibition station and the new facility will also be smaller and less capable to handle larger crowds. It was in the middle of no where in the 90s but the city has grown substantially since- hence why so much transit is being built up in that area right now

[@1ABNDT]

​@@b30233I think you missed the point.

[@mikeb5664]

It is currently located in the middle of the city with transit access.

[@1ABNDT]

@@mikeb5664 exactly, & every tourist coming from the airport is going to go "downtown". It's a "interactive tourist attraction" nothing more.

[@dougtheslug6435]

@@mikeb5664 Not even close.......more then an hour in a street car, subway and bus ride away from me when I was in the middle of the city in Parkdale.

[@KALL_ME_KAPKAN]

Why do people care about the science center building? It's the same style as those 1980s public schools, with those giant tiles and veneered masonry. Also it's in the middle of nowhere, id drive to North Bay rather than roll 30kmh to some random suburb in Toronto. Building up Toronto's lakefront also would be nice, don't need more condos and overpriced food.

[@theastuteangler]

sorry dougie, no condos 4 u

[@zacksaccount7785]

Tax write off

[@stoikiometry]

This is what you get for voting conservative

[@rohankurian5641]

Now lets see what FordNation , Pierre Poilievre & Chrystia Freeland were hiding about denying #covid #benefits to exploited workers Goodfood and #Amazon in their own 2 tierd justice system over the last 5 years!! Never forget the below points - 1. Greenbelt Scam - 8.3 Billion dollars. No arrests. 2. Ontario place #Scam - 1 billion$ +. No arrests. 3. #Ontario #Science Center #Scam - 1 billion$ plus. 4. University #suicides cover up linked to Immigration & human trafficking. 5. Unethicial surveillance by #Ford at hospitals during & after #Covid. 6. Old #folks died during #covid under dougs leadership. 7. Labour-trafficking in the #Ontario Supply Chain over the last 5 years..Women were targeted & assaulted..and #ford turned a blind eye. 8. Illegal access to #citizen bank accounts through #Scotiabank by #fords cronies. 9. Ontario teachers #Pension #fund scam - 95 million$ swindled - No one got arrested. 10. What was that again about trying to murder whistleblowers & witnesses under #Fords leadership?? 11. Doug snow-mobiled during a terrorist attack on #ottawa..He took a vacation when GOOD cops were being attacked. 12. Ford did a snow grave digging photo-op instead of feeding humans who were Dying. 13. #FraudFest over the years and using public services for his own private parties & jiffy #lube excursions 14. Insider trading by #billionaire Neil Cuggy , #freeland knew and did #NOTHING 15. AND thats just the tip of the ice-berg on dougs #Titanic 5 years

[@angling343]

DOUG FORD IS NOT A CONSERVATIVE

[@melrobertson2743]

Puh-leaz Ford just masqueraded as conservative because he knew the people of Ontario were sick of Lieberals after Wynne.

[@1ABNDT]

🤣😂says the maroon who voted for Wynne McGuinty Sousa, now want to blame Conservatives. What a bunch of clowns.

[@leo2caf594]

well the liberals shut down and locked up Ontario Place and then let it sit with no plan to reopen it

[@glormymcglorm]

considering no real repairs need to be made ill pay for the repairs and do it myself

[@Doggo954]

Isn't the roof collapsing??????????????????????

[@1ABNDT]

🤣😂It's over clowns, we need homes.

[@jamesbrennenman8671]

We need affordable housing not over priced condos that frw can afford outside of wealthy investors and corporations YOU clown!!

[@mikeokeefe2014]

Architecture firm is going to help 😂😂😂..you gonna carry cement or just draw some plans ..

[@davemcd9077]

@mike........hey, a-hole!=THIS architecture firm are the ones who built the complex. Also, THEY understand the tight budget the province HAS, whereas phuckhead Ford does not. Mr.Moriyama would be there HIMSELF suggesting the same thing, IF he hadn't passed away last year. StFu if ya can't be bothered to WATCH the phucking Video, ashole.

[@DouglasPrice-p9q]

... this is prime real estate for developers ... follow the money ... another windfall like the 407 for the Conservative parties friends ... not rocket science

[@glendamc6040]

Nothing is free..nothing

[@glendamc6040]

Asbestos

[@gfutube1]

He’s a liberal or ndp

[@edwardriley7339]

and you're clearly conservative since you have to make every issue tribalistic. all while the villain in the story is a COB lmfao

[@TheeLastCossack]

Only an idiot spends millions to repair something thats scheduled to be torn down anyway.

[@dwights1024]

for real

[@davemcd9077]

@theelast.....................hey, a-hole!=THIS architecture firm are the ones who built the complex. Also, THEY understand the tight budget the province HAS, whereas phuckhead Ford does not. Mr.Moriyama would be there HIMSELF suggesting the same thing, IF he hadn't passed away last year. StFu if ya can't be bothered to WATCH the phucking Video, ashole.

[@chrisgraham2904]

It absolutely makes sense to spend a few million to repair a structure that would cost hundreds of millions to replace. More importantly, ask why has it been scheduled to be torn down?

[@TheeLastCossack]

@@chrisgraham2904 Lol hundreds of millions ok pal

[@chrisgraham2904]

@@TheeLastCossack The auditor for the Ford government has established the estimated cost to construct the new Ontario Science Center at Ontario Place and move the contents of the facility, at $1.05 Billion dollars. I was extremely conservative when I stated "hundreds of millions". One must also ask; "When was the last time that a government completed a project on budget"? Now you can stop laughing Pal.

[@RobertCameron-v5g]

ddd

[@wesfudge]

So they are volunteering their service for free. $200k of a $200 million dollar repair job. How generous. Only a moron repairs something that's going to be closed anyways.

[@davemcd9077]

@wesfudgepacker.....AND @mike........hey, a-hole!=THIS architecture firm are the ones who built the complex. Also, THEY understand the tight budget the province HAS, whereas phuckhead Ford does not. Mr.Moriyama would be there HIMSELF suggesting the same thing, IF he hadn't passed away last year. StFu if ya can't be bothered to WATCH the phucking Video, ashole.

[@mellow-jello]

Firm just wants a tax write-off, especially when the repairs are moot. They certainly never offered to do the repairs durung consultation. Just about politics.

[@RobertCameron-v5g]

fff

[@fallenangel7884]

Great question. Why repair a building that is gonna be closed. The building is old and falling apart, let it go.

[@Fenthule]

There's some shady dealings going on with that land, mark my word.

[@IshKabilble999]

I think the Architects have a better understanding then someone in the comments.

[@pacman3556]

the building may be falling apart but they are offering to repair it so it doesn't fall apart. Why spend hundreds of millions building a new building when you can spend a few million fixing the existing building.

[@dwights1024]

@@pacman3556 cause its clearly a better use of land to move the Science centre elsewhere its just basic econ101 why u bringing emotions into all of this

[@wesfudge]

@@pacman3556 No, they aren't offering to repair it. They are volunteering their engineering consultation services for free. That's probably 1% worth of the $200 million dollar repair. How generous.

[@Midaswhale531]

It's moving to Ontario place get over it

[@jamesbrennenman8671]

Boot licker

[@sheilahall4732]

Ford step down now