Archival E.M.2 Footage: Slow Motion and Janson Doing Mag Dumps

[@JonathanFergusonRoyalArmouries]

The other thing to look for from 03:23 onwards is the wedge-shaped 'piston catch' on top of the bolt - this acts like an out of battery safety of sorts, but is primarily intended to reduce friction by keeping the locking flaps in until the last possible moment, when the angled surface of the receiver pushes it down and allows the piston, and therefore the firing pin sleeve, to move forward and expand the locking flaps into their recesses in the receiver This was supposed to improve reliability in adverse conditions, and indeed the EM2 more than held its own against the FN for a long time.

[@oddspaghetti4287]

Quite similar in function to the "shelf" found on the bolt carrier of the Garand and subsequently on the AK huh.

[@JonathanFergusonRoyalArmouries]

​@@oddspaghetti4287 Yes! 'anti-pre-engagement' as it's sometimes called.

[@ukteaboy]

Are the receivers different from the .280 and 7.62 versions?

[@beetooex]

Hey Jonathan- when are you going to start your own KZbin channel? It appears that we quite like you...

[@theultimatederp3288]

So why didn't they just make a modernized 5X56 NATO version of this rifle when they developed the SA80? SA80 designing team's egos and/or ignorance getting in the way? It just seems mind boggling for a layman like me.

[@bikecommuter24]

I'm impressed they are testing a rifle in suits and ties. I have seen old photos from the 50's of motorcycle test riders at the Triumph Factory wearing suits and some of the staff had ties on under their overalls. I imagine how they felt thinking going from a bolt action rifle to a select fire weapon must have been an experience, but then the British were no slouch in getting off rounds with a bolt action rifle when needed i.e the mad minute.

[@thewraithwriter22]

If you're not wearing a suit, you're not fully dressed

[@tophatminion.7558]

@@thewraithwriter22 siut up!!!

[@moosemaimer]

C&Rsenal posted a video on their Patreon where they were watching a compilation of footage from WWI rifle factories, and people working on the shop floors operating machines were still wearing hats and ties, and sometimes coats and vests.

[@JW...-oj5iw]

@@tophatminion.7558 ... "Suit" up!

[@AsDeadAsDillinger]

_"I'm impressed they are testing a rifle in suits and ties. "_ If you liked that, then you should see the photographic plates from some of the unarmed combat guides from roughly the same period. It would appear that back then, an old knitted jumper with holes in, an old pair of high waisted 'grandad' pants and a pair of those terrible black rubber 'plimsoll' 'proto-trainers' were commonly accepted as 'proper PT kit'.

[@s4mur41RPG]

Stop making me wish for an alternate universe

[@tophatminion.7558]

i know it's not possible but I really wish there was a TV show that could show alternate universe. the one that gets me is the Victorian inventor who invented A Clockwork calculator that was just insane. some Museum built one to see if it would work and it was fully functional.it would have made targeting artillery in ww1 incredibly easy

[@ArmandKarlsen]

Sounds like Charles Babbage. Some of his earlier fixed/special-function designs were partly built during his lifetime, but the projects were later abandoned due to funding and manufacturing issues. He also designed, but never built, a much more advanced Analytical Engine, which would have been programmable by punch cards; later analysis of this design showed that it would have been _Turing-complete_!.

[@mrbeast85]

Yes cancelling the EM-2 or No.9 rifle as it was dubbed by the British Army was in hindsight perhaps the wrong decision. Although there were sound arguments for it, in the long term retaining EM-2 would have provided the British Army with an advanced, true select-fire, intermediate calibre assault rifle rather than the solid but somewhat pedestrian L1A1 SLR.

[@TheRobbex]

@@tophatminion.7558 Are you citing Charles Babbage's 'Difference Engine' by any chance? A working example was built this century from Babbage's drawings and it worked!

[@JW...-oj5iw]

@@tophatminion.7558 ... Sliders.

[@ArchieKeen1]

Honestly with a little more development and no US shenanigans in choosing the cartridge, the em2 would of been an amazing rifle

[@Litany_of_Fury]

*could. If that gun would ever have been developed and made it out of proper testing it would still have to undergo the mud test, then we could say it's amazing.

[@neilmorrison7356]

You mean the Malayan jungle was not a good test?

[@paint_thinner]

Made out of testing? It was litterally adopted.

[@Solidsnake0208]

True, and us Brits would not have not suffered the embarrassment that was the SA80A1

[@jester5ify]

@@Solidsnake0208 Whats an SA80A1?

[@mrbeast85]

We often hear Ian tell us about the testing and development of firearms; its fascinating to actually see that in action.

[@ScottKenny1978]

Big thank you to the archivist who found and shared this!

[@user936]

I can only imagine what sort of slow process it was to find this.

[@michaelathens953]

I had to watch this a couple times. Really fascinating footage, almost hypnotic.

[@ghostshadow9046]

notice during mag dump he sometimes used middle finger to operate the trigger

[@ForgottenWeapons]

Yup.

[@zero_meercat8624]

Forgotten Weapons yup

[@thesturm8686]

I certainly don't want him to flip me the bird

[@MrSam1er]

This seemed to be accepted procedure to shoot really fast with the n°4 (see Bloke on the range's channel). I suppose he was used to it for this rate of fire

[@TheRogueWolf]

If he was firing semi-auto, then I could imagine his finger got tired pretty quick.

[@TheLoxxxton]

It's very cool to see. I'm kind of surprised none of the testers were not holding a pipe between their teeth while firing.

[@ZGryphon]

I'm sure the one wearing a hat had a pipe in his coat pocket, just waiting to light up once he was done testing grenades. :)

[@jasonbloho8015]

The teeth were too crooked to hold the pipe straight

[@howardchambers9679]

@@jasonbloho8015 crooked teeth hold a briar better than fake teeth with veneers. But you knew that, you little rascal!

[@schmidtyschmidty5118]

But did you notice the testing engineer's shoes during the drop test footage?

[@jollyjohnzz]

When I was a soldier in the 70s I remember on a range one day two guys in civilian clothes turning up and putting hundreds of rounds through two of these. We were impressed ! Shame we got the sa80, we loved our 7.62 slr's. What you call a fn fal . No other weapon I know of engendered so much love from it's users !

[@EnglishKiwi]

Was it the em2 or could it have been the xl60 ?

[@jollyjohnzz]

@@EnglishKiwi not sure, was many years ago now, but I do remember the recoil seemed huge ! They were going through mags on full auto like nobodies business . We were kept at a distance from them but we were mighty curious .

[@EnglishKiwi]

@@jollyjohnzz I'm far from an expert on the subject, but seeing as it was the 70s I don't see why they'd be dumping tones of rare ammo through em2 20 years after they'd been rejected. It'd make more sense for it to be some of the development/trials rifles from the xl60/70 project. Some of the prototypes would have looked fairly similar to the em2 from a distance as they had a straight body behind the magwell as opposed to the slanted design the sa80 ended up with 😁

[@jamesnell7224]

Bloke: today you'll be dropping an experimental rifle on the floor to see if it goes off! Me: ok, what protective equipment should I wear? Bloke: make sure your shoes are well polished and your trousers freshly pressed! On a serious note thank you for sharing and helping to preserve this fantastic little piece of history. As a Brit I wish more people cared about things like this. Good luck with headstamp's second book.

[@JonathanFergusonRoyalArmouries]

Thanks James! Yes, I too expected that the drop test would be a tad more sciencey than this... Oh, I should add; the drop test is very likely a 'rough usage' test of an empty rifle rather than a 'drop test' in the modern sense.

[@archstanton1628]

Always a good sign when a books author edits his KZbin comments, bodes well for proofreading 🙂👍

[@jamesnell7224]

@@JonathanFergusonRoyalArmouries The fact that you have replied to this has made my day! I haven't been to Leeds armouries for two years so I must go again when lockdown is lifted. Does the museum do guided tours for more in-depth discussions because honestly, I could watch & listen for days? Also, as a small bore target shooter I wish someone made a semi-automatic rimfire reproduction of this.

[@JPR3D]

Now this is the kind of vintage backroom video I like.

[@ThePaintballer1994]

Ian: - detailed explanation of archive footage and the nature of malfunctions - Me: Haha, brass go WEEEEEE!

[@oddspaghetti4287]

Reloading a bullpup with your right hand when laying down makes a lot of sense, i often think that in the modern times we are too fixated on the idea of the reload absolutely having to be done with the left hand when in reality there are tons of situations where it is actually beneficial to remove your right hand from the pistol grip.

[@scootergrant8683]

I do believe many civilian training courses do emphasise a right hand re-load.

[@suddenwall]

1951 wow! It's so rare to see high speed photography from this era

[@BeTeK11]

You should see curious droid video about old high speed video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJ3Yq5iXi9uji5I

[@moosemaimer]

They put together cameras during the Manhattan Project capable of ludicrous framerates, far too high for the film stock to survive going through the machinery at that rate; so the film was stationary and a spinning mirror would bounce the image onto it.

[@spanuehspanueh7216]

One type camera used during the Atomic Era were Rapatronics by the EG&G company. The cameras used magnetically controlled dual-polarizers for a shutter.

[@Seeker-wq8jc]

For some reason I found it just as interesting studying people's clothes in the clips, like the guy's shoes in one, or a hat in another. As if the black and white, noisy clips don't give how old it is away.

[@Etherman7]

Slow motion (high speed rather) video testing must have been a godsend to developers of any semi or automatic guns.

[@sanguinemoon9201]

Absolutely. I use slowed footage of my LSW's to diagnose malfunctions. Must've opened up new worlds for them.

[@shawnr771]

Imagine trying to design one without it.

[@Etherman7]

@Socucius Ergalla Hey I knew it must have come up at some point before! Nice.

[@matthayward7889]

Awesome! Love anything EM2 👍

[@markgoostree6334]

This is exactly why your videos are THE BEST !! You always find the hidden or seemingly lost guns, info, and film. Thank you for bringing this kind of info to the front again! I like photography and guns almost equally so this was right up my alley.

[@wlewisiii]

Somewhere in an alternate universe the US army is just now retiring it's EM-2 based M-14's in 7mm NATO and trying to decide if an even smaller cartridge is a good idea.

[@ScottKenny1978]

I'm actually going to doubt that. With a good intermediate cartridge, there's little reason to go smaller. I'm kinda wondering what might have been if the US had managed to adopt .276 Pedersen for the semi auto rifles way back in 1930whatever.

[@JonathanFergusonRoyalArmouries]

Ah, there's a thought :)

[@shawnr771]

@@ScottKenny1978 We be asking why they did not adopt a heavier cartridge like the 7.62 Nato.

[@emu4286]

This is why I'm not too torn up about how things actually played out. If the US had adopted the .280 in the 50s as the standard rifle round, I think it's a lot less likely the 5.56 (or something like it) would have been adopted as early as the mid-60s (if at all). IMO, the .280, while much better for the role than the 7.62x51, is still somewhat too big, heavy and powerful to make for what I'd personally consider a really great standard intermediate cartridge meant to be used in a mass-issue select-fire assault rifle. The 5.56 isn't quite my ideal either, but a lot closer to it than the .280. Experience trying to use the 7.62x51 M14 in full auto made it starkly clear to the US military that such a large, powerful round was unsuited for that role and led to the adoption of the 5.56, whereas if we had adopted the .280 instead of the 7.62 I'd worry that the Army would have decided it was "good enough" of a light automatic rifle round and kept it for many decades and a really light, small caliber high velocity intermediate round may never have been developed. YMMV, of course.

[@JonathanFergusonRoyalArmouries]

@@emu4286 I agree. But imagine an AR in .280...

[@aries_9130]

The firing sequence was absolutely amazing. Thanks for sharing!

[@EdsterZ0529]

Fellow dtp fan! Nice

[@tomsmith2209]

Amazing that this footage exists, has been found and has been shared. Thanks.

[@jsma9999]

thank you, Phillp For this Find. Now Everyone can see it on line

[@Brigand231]

That was very cool to see! Thanks for bringing it to us, folks!

[@hamm6035]

Ian again you bring the coolest things!

[@troy9477]

Interesting. Very efficient mag changes. Nice to see the designer directly involved. JMB usually did that too. Great video as always. Thank you

[@user936]

5:12 note that Stefan Janson fires off the first and fourth magazines with his index finger but the second and third mags with his middle finger.

[@Getpojke]

Thanks to all who dug out this footage and made it available. Wonderful to see these films of what could have been a total game changer for the British armed forces. Have often wondered that if the E.M.2 has stayed in service if it would've ended up being "the right arm of the free world"!?

[@stevetheduck1425]

Everyone not US, yes.

[@jerryjohnsonii4181]

Very Cool Footage !!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for showing it, Ian !!!!!!!!!

[@Willy_Tepes]

You are doing some real important history work here.

[@paprikabushcraft7597]

My fav video on the internet by far

[@Thiswasmeanttobeeasy]

Fascinating footage. Keep up the great work.

[@MrWarwick15]

Outstanding Ian! Thanks. Rich.

[@stefanmolnapor910]

Thank you!

[@thehobobehindyou]

Awesome footage!

[@hauitsme5678]

Forgotten Archives

[@loupiscanis9449]

Thank you , Ian .

[@loupiscanis9449]

and , Thank you , Philip . Kewl footage ,

[@RyeOnHam]

5:21 you can see Janson using his MIDDLE finger on the trigger, probably to give his trigger finger a rest. I used to do this working long shifts doing sheet metal work drilling holes and riveting. You get quite a lot of grip strength in that job.

[@user936]

Yes I notice this too! Suspect he had a firm handshake.

[@meade6291]

A Sunday video. It's a good day.

[@lolroflpmsl]

Fired with his middle finger on one of those mag dumps.

[@oso1165]

Instinct from Enfield rapid fire?

[@sergarlantyrell7847]

While shouting "F*** you target!"

[@jamesanthonyclarke9418]

Hope we can get this as a major upgrade of the current rifle. Just needs a new scope, fore grip and picatanty rail.

[@royalirish4208]

And perhaps going to 7.62 with a 20 round magazine non bullpup design perhaps something from Belgum oh wait we had that with the SLR. Bugger the MOD really screwed up with this one taking the best battle rifle ever made and replacing it with a total pile of crap. God help our young lads sent off to war with a SA80 as only he can save them there rifle wont as its probably jammed.

[@chalkster4723]

Uncanny! I'm just reading Steve Raws awesome (& rare) publication 'The Last Enfield' Great to see this footage.

[@jmalmsten]

I will always like old test footage (I'm pretty sure I'm on at least some watch lists after my binge watching hundreds of clips of ultra slow motion nuke detonations on the Lawrence Rivermore Labs channel). And holy heck these were some interesting finds!

[@JW...-oj5iw]

Are you sure you don't mean Rawrence Rivermore Rabs?

[@jmalmsten]

@@JW...-oj5iw I'm pretty sure its Lawrence kzbin.info/aero/PLvGO_dWo8VfcmG166wKRy5z-GlJ_OQND5 --- Oh darn... Now I saw my typo.. Oh well. I'll leave it there for public amusement.

[@williamf9992]

Awesome footage ian, also thanks to whom found it.

[@nathanboulton2066]

thats weird, was only re-watching your em-2 shooting video earlier on today!!

[@randywatson8347]

Very cool footage.

[@CFABN267]

This is so awesome!

[@RockeyDAproductions]

cool, thats an understatement, this is levels of cool all at once.

[@wmdayman]

Fantastic video.

[@damnoldguy]

Those were some pretty quick reloads

[@markfergerson2145]

For me the best part is watching the bits bounce back and forth against each other in the cutaway as the bolt comes back into battery before firing. It seems to take forever, and makes one wonder how the bits didn't wear to nothing during firing.

[@bigmal1690]

Great footage, thank u

[@laxityazathoth1423]

That stoppage brings back memories. Rifle fire rifle fire rifle stop. Upon looking at the rifle you see the working parts are not fully forward

[@davidkelly5899]

Oh god how many times did I forward assist!!

[@nushootersixtyfour6178]

cool stuff Ian

[@NoobGyver]

I love this channel.

[@JustanOlGuy]

So absurdly cool!

[@lucajohnen6719]

Damn this one dude who cared more about his prestige then about firearms. Seeing all this stuff really makes me detest the M14

[@billbolton]

I could watch that all day.... and by the power of KZbin I might just do that.

[@johnwilliams9240]

I know your a lefty. I was a Brit Army 67-90. With the SLR, FAL, on changing magazine the rifle was secured by the left hand on the fwd underbarrel grip and the mag was changed by the right hand in same manner as with the Em2. John

[@martingardener90]

Are you sure - we were taught to change the mag with the left hand - as the release is on the left and operate the safety with the left also ( even though it could be done with the right thumb )

[@theraginggam3r679]

When he is doing the mag dumps he is also occasionally firing with his middle finger as well!

[@stevetheduck1425]

The fire selector is right under his right index finger when firing with his middle finger; there may be a point. Switching from repetition to automatic while firing.

[@neilmorrison7356]

Handled an EM2 at the School of Infantry Museum quality firearm.

[@zionrios2205]

Am I the older one who is bewildered at the surprisingly old age of high speed videography

[@philtkaswahl2124]

Having some passing interest in early film methods, it's less a surprise and more a logical development since over- and undercranking the early manual cameras were among the earliest "special effects" pioneering film makers exploited.

[@gary0228]

I want to see more footage like this of other guns.

[@thesturm8686]

Love me some middle finger firing And almost obscure British bullpup of course!

[@3kids2cats1dog]

EM2 mad minute...

[@mikeblair2594]

I've finally found a bullpup that's appealing and I can't have it no matter how much money I don't have! Philip, Jonathan and Ian, (in my "best" English accent) Bravo chaps! Tallyho and all that tripe! My apologies for my rather silly way of saying thanx. Oh by the way, I know Liverpool got robbed through no fault of their own, but I don't care as I support WestHam.

[@PoLoMoTo2]

I feel like bullpup rifles are ultimately going to be the future of small arms, we just haven't quite figured out how fully take advantage of it yet and some kinks and hurdles

[@Hansengineering]

lol that test firer with his felt hat and glasses!

[@blue-skyuniform]

Hallo Ian I think the E.M.2 is really a good weapon for its time I still can't understand why NATO didn't go further with the E.M.2 instead of the FN FAL or the M14 if you consider how a battle occurs in cities, the E.M.2 is better at than the FN FAL or the M14 with their 7.62 don't get me wrong, the FN FAL and the M14 are good with the 7.62 cartridge, but not on fully automatic or urban combat the E.M.2 would have been really good for NATO at the time of the cold war against the AK, who has better weapon will remain a question mark

[@JonathanFergusonRoyalArmouries]

I cover this in detail in my book, but it boils down to the US hating the .280, and Britain deciding that a 7.62 EM2 wasn't significantly better than the FAL. Then, 20 years later, deciding that they wanted a bullpup after all for the very reason that you give...

[@ForgottenWeapons]

The book had all the gruesome details of this issue... :)

[@blue-skyuniform]

@@ForgottenWeapons I am going to consider buying the book further, keep up the good work, your channel is really fun to follow and learn from models I had never heard of or seen before

[@ScottKenny1978]

The biggest reason was the desire to have all of NATO using not just the same weapon caliber, but the same rifle entirely. The idea was that any nation could resupply and rearm from any other nation's supply chain. That's not unreasonable. Then we get to Studler, head of US BuOrd. He hated bullpups for some unexplained reason, and refused to accept a cartridge less powerful than the original .30-06 military loadings (150gr bullet at @2800fps). Makes me kinda wonder about an alternative timeline where Studler was killed in a traffic accident and therefore wasn't able to get in the way of the EM2.

[@TheHacknor]

@@ScottKenny1978 Not that I have anything to back it up but it kinda sounds like Studler was a hard traditionalist that refused to accept that the .30-06 was overkill

[@mrfancypanzer549]

Interesting. I think the first video I saw from Forgotten Weapons was of an E.M.2 many years ago.

[@Akm72]

Same here.

[@daviddavis1322]

A very young Taofledermaus is listed in the archival video production team.

[@goombakiwi]

No ear pro on those mag dumps. Ouch!

[@JonathanFergusonRoyalArmouries]

In a brick-built firing point, no less. Ouch indeed!

[@Dezzasheep]

EM2, TSR-2.... Both torpedoed by our overseas cousins 😭

[@Akm72]

TSR-2 wasn't exactly torpedoed by the US, the incoming Labour government had seen numerous increases in the predicted price over the previous 5 years and didn't have any faith in the ability of the British aerospace industry to control their costs in future. When General Dynamics offered their F-111 at a lower price they had something of a 'the grass is greener on the other side of the fence' moment and switched to the F-111K. Later, when the cost of F-111 started to increase, they then cancelled that as well. It also has to be said that mistakes were made in the original specification of TSR2; the engine choice especially but also the gold-plated reconnaissance capability.

[@AverageJoe4063]

Very cool 👍

[@UmamiJarate]

That QQ in the URL doe...speaks volumes to me.

[@thomassymonds6308]

Hey Ian, Thanks for all the content during covid. Do you have slow-mo footage of the hudson h9 vs other Handguns? I'm curious lately about rhythm and muzzle flip of various handguns!

[@ForgottenWeapons]

Yes, we have some over on InRange.

[@ZXNTV]

Y'all ever gonna do a mud test on the M17S? (preferably the 556 version)

[@_KRose]

5:21 firing with the middle finger. Very cool for some reason xD

[@leovalenzuela8368]

My boy at 5:20 has got some fast hands lol

[@MichaelBerthelsen]

Interesting to see Janson firing the first couple of magazines using his middle finger, later switching to his index finger.🤔

[@ScottKenny1978]

Trigger Finger got tired.

[@Panga_]

I love malfs from the 50's / 60's

[@arikwolf3777]

Okay, from now, when ever you get to shoot one of these forgotten weapons, you need a high speed camera.

[@billy.g3597]

I agree. But it's got to use grainy B&W film and shot a tad out of focus.

[@arikwolf3777]

@@billy.g3597 LMAO, Touché

[@ScottKenny1978]

I agree, he really needs a good high speed camera. I hope that is on his Christmas list!

[@Ensign_Cthulhu]

Is there any difference between the red and the blue covers, or is it according to taste? It's nice to see the designers actually using their own stuff. I'm not a fan of autoloading rifles myself - the maintenance can be tricky and you have to be careful about your handloads - but this is one I would own in a heartbeat (if only Canadian law allowed it, LOL).

[@profrumpo]

Impressed that the chap firing the rifle grenade managed to retain his hat. This rifle was briefly adopted, but what surprises me is that it was not re-chambered for 7.62mm. Was this just not a viable option?

[@ogilkes1]

It was done, indeed Ian has an old video of himi shooting the same. Not a success.

[@ForgottenWeapons]

They did make a version in 7.62 NATO (I've fired a few rounds through it...). But Churchill really liked the FAL and disliked the EM2.

[@chrissheppard5068]

They binned this yet introduced the ker rap SA80 30 years later.

[@louisromero2320]

Its quite good now.

[@user936]

@@louisromero2320 True, but no one is going to miss it when they finally replace it with the plethora of decent bullpups made in the years since.

[@michaelray4033]

I actually had an empty case not eject and get reloaded into the breach of my SMLE, and didn't know until I pulled the trigger. Luckily for me, it was the last round.

[@darrenbrashaw8409]

I see Arthur Perkins used to test rifle grenades before Rentaghost.

[@JonathanFergusonRoyalArmouries]

Ah, Rentaghost! When can we expect the gritty reboot of that, I wonder?

[@darrenbrashaw8409]

@@JonathanFergusonRoyalArmouries lol, I hope not!

[@charles_wipman]

Very interesting, i wonder what kind of tests they do on engines, they're the same?; with cut outs and "see thru" parts?.

[@FredsRandomFinds]

Had a video from the British Pathé channel on this rifle pop up a while back shows it in use at a show? kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKrCf4KOrKh1jpo also some vids on that channel of the (FN?) that replaced it?

[@elijahaitaok8624]

The last time I was this early, intermediate cartridges weren’t even considered yet

[@thesturm8686]

Last time i was this early the EM-2 was just accepted into british service

[@AnthraXM4X]

very cool imo

[@colonthree]

Pull, Bub!

[@theblackprince1346]

Smashing...

[@flavortown3781]

even with that footage sped up that looks really fast for bullpup mag changes

[@Sam-gz2us]

Ironically that second rifle has much more reliable ejection characteristics than the first iteration of SA80

[@FuriKitten]

I am a Total Noob, to a lot of this field, but given the amount of interest and support (fandom) for the EM2, are there any companyies making repro guns and Ammunitions, that conform to the spec of the original weapon?

[@Matt_The_Hugenot]

In the first clip I wonder whether they were testing extremely light loads to see exactly how it would fail.

[@matthewmudgett7413]

You can tell janson has done a mad minute or two because he uses his middle finger on the trigger during one of the mag dumps

[@JonathanFergusonRoyalArmouries]

Unlikely to be honest. The 'mad minute' era was behind us by that point, and I doubt that Janson, coming from a foreign military straight into the Armament Design Department, would have had much time to develop leet Enfield skills. His finger is just getting tired :)

[@fruhotchiliman]

Can you please review the Heavy Gustav for us?!

[@jankowalski3496]

Ian why you don't have film with FN P90? It's my favourite futuristic carabine. You do H&K from 89 but you dont have P90.