ARE CATCH CANS WORTH IT FOR OLD 4WDS? | 3000km CATCH CAN CHECK

Today i'm installing a Ryco Catch can in my 80 series Landcruiser 1HD-T and ill be checking on it after 3000km to show how much oil it collected!
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[@AussieArvos]

Hey all, sorry about the quality of this video, it was rushed, we've had a flat out week doing bigger and better projects, a catch can isn't really that interesting and I understand that, I tried to make it a little more interesting by adding some info but I got stuff wrong, and I apologize, I'll takle diesel fuel injection properly in another video , but essentially catch cans are super important when you have EGR (exhaust gas recirculation) basically carbon sticks to the oil vapour from blow by thus the intake gets clogged with carbon , hope this clears things up, sorry I didn't explain it correctly in the video. Thanks for understanding and the continued support. Some fun stuff coming this weekend Cheers - Patrick

[@Chris_Z.]

To make things a little easier. Turn the wheel to full lock to open the area up to get to the drain.

[@saintofthesinners41]

Should of pulled off the crossover pipe and cleaned that out, then installed the catch can, then after the 3000ks showed inside crossover pipe and then how much oil the catch can collected.

[@fairdinkum9454]

«Should of…»

[@kierenmulqueeney5582]

Can we please have more videos from the other 'less excited blokes' ? Their contest is worthy! Cheers

[@dylan5324]

Loving all the content. Killing it guys 🤌

[@tadeuszmichaelwlodarczyk3120]

Just stumbled across this channel. It's good to see everything is so genuine in everything you produce keep it up boys✔️✔️

[@jonnewton5929]

Great basic knowledge with good basic know how. Great work as always guys. Keep it up.

[@AussieArvos]

Thanks Jon!

[@shanepeel4297]

Love your work fellas, it's good to see you poking around in St Andrews.👌

[@deanwylie9893]

Can't believe you missed the money shot.

[@patrioticpengu1n]

Sunday morning vid... nice 🍻

[@alexxxxx12341]

Good explanation of how a pcv system and direct and port injection works but a wee correction is... on modern diesels the cause of the intake manifold and ports getting gummed up with carbon and shit is due to tge high amounts of exhaust gas recirculation (egr) to meet emissions which old diesels don't have to worry about

[@grug5259]

Never known a diesel to run port injection either

[@keeganbulter4686]

@@grug5259 Yeah only old carb cars ran port injection, Old diesels ran indirect injection

[@albertcao9082]

Absolutely worth getting one, I just emptied mine yesterday, thick black soot filled up half of a small bottle

[@jimtekkit]

My Flashlube catch can was collecting easily 10 to 20 times more than that when I had a fuel contamination issue. Intake tubes are bone dry. Worth it.

[@mikewasowski1411]

I got the same one. I like it. They catch little at first as the filter element saturates. After it’ll pull more. I also found my tap leaked. Replaced with $4 eBay ball valve. All good.

[@scottc3076]

Thanks for the stickers today mate, you should see them on my 80 around town soon. Cheers

[@paulsnee3364]

In one shot prior to draining the hose, you can actually see the level in the hose….good job fellas.

[@WDMTAdventures]

@ 6:50

[@beanfrankednow5391]

Awesome, great information 👍

[@juststuffwithwolfe4482]

Yeah they are I did workplacement at a diesel place and I learn what catch cans do

[@noodz2777]

Im not a mechanic but its my understanding and mechanics have told me that the problem with oil going through the air intake is when its mixes with exhaust from EGR's in newer cars. That is what causes the crud build up. With the 80 not having an EGR i havn't bothered putting one in mine.

[@einfelder8262]

The oil mist will still collect on the inlet valve and attach itself as carbon. Nowhere near as bad as when EGR soot is added, but it still happens. Remember that statistically 50% of mechanics are of below average ability..... This means that half of mechanics can be wrong.

[@noodz2777]

@@einfelder8262 where did u pull that stat from? I've actually had several mechanics mention this. I mean i guess its not going to hurt putting one on. Would be good to actually see a comparison of an 80 one with and one without.

[@einfelder8262]

@@noodz2777 Clearly you aren't strong on arithmetic. The average of any sample is always 50%, and so half falls between 50 and 100 and the other half between 0 and 50. The half that falls between 0 and 50 is below average. Apply that to, say, 100 mechanics and you get 50 that are below average intelligence/capability/size/age/etc. If your 80 vents blowby to atmosphere then clearly it won't get on the inlet valves, but as soon as you add PCV by definition mist will be routed into the inlet tract and hence onto the inlet valves. Simple fact.

[@mikebaz7843]

@@einfelder8262 how needlessly combative and condescending, wait aren't you that guy who always spreads misinformation? Now I remember you

[@SHOCKcustoms]

Nice vid mate. You need to use oil/fuel hose though. Looks like you used heater hose? Itll degrade over time. Also make your mounting bracket out of robust plate. Otherwise itll crack over time and youll have a failure on the tracks somewhere. Always gusset or triangulate for strength if you can. Cheers. When i was your age i learnt the hard way. 😉 cheers boys

[@mikedubya9313]

Top notch fellas

[@charlesparker924]

Run it down ur chassis for rust prevention

[@AussieArvos]

😅😂

[@toms_gupooe]

I've pulled a little sneaky, mine goes into a catch can, looks legit then into the chassis works a treat

[@tom6549]

@@toms_gupooe Do you still have the return pipe from catch can to intake hooked up?

[@toms_gupooe]

@@tom6549 ahhhh yeah off the catch can outlet into the chassis

[@mattyp4230]

@@toms_gupooe "Plumbed back to atmosphere"

[@locobogan9588]

I’ve seen a few catch can vids on KZbin now and not a lot of them if any show what it’s actually doing!! Cheers blokes 👍

[@robertomartincompanyppp]

My dear brother excellent video amazing. I learnt a lot. But I can see that the hoses on your catch can are connected the other way around. The intake on the catch can is at the top. Regards.

[@seanp7630]

Hey mate as you mentioned it has to soak the filter before it drains - this means expect more than this next time! Still never going to be as much as a new direct injection or common rail engine running high boost. Cheers

[@billroach2393]

Great choice of catch can....BUT I highly recommend you re-think the bracket set-up you've made up. From what I could see in the video, it's going to fail sooner or later, and those sort of things always happen at the most inconvenient time (ie: they never happen just as you drive back down your driveway after a 3,000klm trip).

[@oconnorfamilyadventures]

We installed the Provent within days of buying our 4wd. It’s a must have. Then there is still the EGR pumping crud into the intake. 🧐. Check out Munji cables. 👍

[@KingAsaLDS]

Doesn’t have an egr it’s before it was out

[@dougbeckinsale3844]

Would love to see an update after another 3000kms

[@renependergrast7059]

I installed the exact same catch can on my boosted 2h about 6 months ago and found that I was starting to get oil leaking from the front and rear seals. After closer inspection, I realised that in fact the filter in the catch can itself was a massive restriction. After modifying the filter element to remove any possible restriction in the system I now have zero leaks from the front and rear main seals. Have you guys experienced the same issues, I've heard mixed reviews about the Ryco catch can both good and bad. I'm interested to hear your opinion after using the CC for a couple of months now.

[@HarryHikes]

Your exhaust is leaking where you can see it at 4:23, looks like soot on the chassis. Good video mate.

[@anthonyjames3961]

Aight imma go work on my car now🤙🤙🤙

[@graemecooper4100]

If your engine doesn't have egr which the 80 series doesn't catch can is a waste of time. My td42t has done 500k and it's clean as.

[@rhys9957]

If you run an intercooler its going to fill it up, no?

[@murdy9295]

Exgaves yeppp

[@rustybogans2508]

Does that motor use port injection to clean the valves?

[@rustybogans2508]

You’re probably venting to atmosphere 😆

[@graemecooper4100]

Clean valves from what. Bit of oil. Call it upper cylinder lubricant. The oil back through an old motor like that won't hurt it. I run mine on chip oil from time to time.

[@fourbypete]

2 points to make here, Point 1. A friend asked me why don't vehicle manufacturers supply catch cans if they are so good? The answer simply is look at all the companies that make catch cans, if any car maker supplied a catch can they would be sued by the companies that make catch cans. Also, the filters aren't cheap so filter suppliers also make more money on the filters. Point 2. If you put a catch can on an old vehicle is there really any benefit because heaps of oil is already in the intercooler, turbo front end and intake valves. Is there a way to clean the intake because I've asked lots of mechanics and they all say they can do it but the cost is huge because they have to practically pull half the engine bay apart to get to the intercooler and air intake manifold. Is there a product that can brake down the old gunk so it can safely pass through the engine?

[@jayarre1839]

catch cans are actually illegal for p platers, but i think that’s the least of all our worries. they’re well worth it, got a provent200 on my TD and it’s not caught much but like you say, even a little bit is better being in there than the intake 👌🏼

[@maxratzlaff8333]

Why would catch cans be illegal for p platers?

[@jayarre1839]

@@maxratzlaff8333 coppers deem them ‘performance modification’

[@maxratzlaff8333]

@@jayarre1839 yeah nah

[@jayarre1839]

@@maxratzlaff8333 that’s what i was told by the wankers that pulled me over, but hey i wouldn’t be surprised if that was just them power tripping.

[@zacschillfilms4543]

Damn I'm quick 😂

[@matthewlindsay4701]

You’ll get more oil when you turn the boost up

[@frednurks8528]

Great video , love the way you guys have a go at everything to do with 4x4’s for young people, that have not a lot of money, it is inspiring. Just a comment : if your Toyo engine has done over 300k Kms without a reco or change over engine, I don’t think there is a real justification to fit a catchcan....just saying. Keep up the interesting content.

[@blastfromthepast7119]

To keep it running another 300kks

[@frednurks8528]

@@blastfromthepast7119 Another 300,000 km guaranteed for the price of a catch can, really?

[@blastfromthepast7119]

@@frednurks8528 I think abrasions on the cylinder wall and bearings are bad, so any way to keep anything clean. I wish oil filters were literally 5-10x finer like can be found in trucks and planes and other expensive things

[@neometalx9]

If I install a catch can, is it recommended to also blank the EGR valve ? I got a Patrol RD28.

[@radaraacf]

Mine seems to have a pipe that dumps it onto the driveway on my 4BD1

[@sloth_e]

Long trips is what cars love. It's short trips that stress motors. Constant cold starts and motor never warms up etc.

[@grimreaper6112]

need oil to get hot

[@TheOZMOSISfull]

Hey aussie arvos I saw your patrol in Eltham are you working around here.

[@Gwagon1]

Diesel injektor before intakevalve?

[@Scrubbull23]

I have one installed on 2011 hilux and rattles like shit at low revs. Mount supplied with was flimsy so sured up but still there. Any ideas?

[@fourhourswest2164]

Can we find out who’s red stag that is up there :O

[@BenMitro]

That was a great explanation of blow by and PCV. There are negative effects of catch cans though and I personally want to avoid the things. While you were describing the problem of crud in the intake, I thought why not just inject a small amount of diesel into the intake air to clean the valve stems and intake manifolds while you drive? You only inject a small amount repeatedly - nothing much to upset air-fuel ratios (plus it can be tuned out when you do take it in for the dyno tune). The proposed injector is injecting into low pressure air flow, so it doesn't have to be an expensive DI type and putting a tapped hole in the side of the intake somewhere (in plastic more often than not) and threading in the injector wouldn't be terribly hard. The controller for the injector can probably be an arduino or something like that. Not sure why after-market manufacturers don't supply such a kit.

[@blastfromthepast7119]

Or stop putting fuel and exhaust gasses where they're not supposed to go. Crankcase gas should be sucked out with the exhaust and expelled through the exhaust.

[@BenMitro]

@@blastfromthepast7119 Agree, but I was talking about minimising the creation of crud in the intake on a standard (non modified) vehicle. A little fuel injected in the intake air may help manage the build up.

[@blastfromthepast7119]

@@BenMitro would that not shift the buildup elsewhere?

[@BenMitro]

@@blastfromthepast7119 The only place it can go is in the combustion chamber...so I wouldn't expect build up anywhere from that. The action of cold vapourised fuel would be to bath the inlet bits after the turbo upto and including the inlet valves with a solvent, which I expect will wash some of the crud from the PCV and EGR systems. Some tweaking of the fuel map will be required to compensate so it doesn't burn rich.

[@ajimaster287]

Is there a filter in the cc?

[@adambates2768]

I suppose so if you wanna be all legal in the stuff but the only real way to have clean intake is EGR blanking and vent the catch can not in the intake

[@MynameisGeoff82]

Nice vid 👌🏻 but for longevity of those pipes, I wouldn't be using heater hose, the oil will brake it down and go soft over time.

[@operation4wheelz]

Unless something is wrong, blow by should only occur when the engine is cold. Catch cans are pointless as long as you’re driving a diesel for long periods at temperature like they are designed. If the engine is running at temp for good period, oil shouldn’t be stopping in the inlet manifold. How long has that engine been running fine without it? 20 - 30 years?

[@thewillows5429]

Yeh boys

[@AussieArvos]

🤙🤙

[@lyleneumann2245]

I have /had the HPD catch can. HPD catch can is crap. Only caught a bit. Return line full of oil.

[@brodiedelaney2258]

next mod should be a stainless snorkel

[@cruising807]

Hey mate, just wondering how the catch can has been holding up and have you had any issues with the catch can. I have read good and bad things about them so I would like to hear your thoughts. Cheers.

[@AussieArvos]

It's been sweet!, no issues so far, catches the oil instead of it getting burned, does the job!

[@cruising807]

@@AussieArvos that is good to hear! I’m enjoying your videos boys keep it up

[@deaglanjones7745]

how many k's on your 80 and the pajero?

[@GenYShyGuy]

Diesels aren’t port injected like your diagram showed. The reason they clog up intake valves is the oil hits the EGR valve (which is usually at exhaust temp - hot) and turns to a carbon cake. This works it’s way down to the back of the intake valves but also clogs the whole intake. No EGR - no need. Yes your catch can will collect oil but it’s not needed to put this on.

[@djredhareaus38]

I see a still in the background are you boys running moonshine

[@jbrizz99]

If your engine doesn't have an intercooler to fill up with oil and no EGR to casue everything to gum up a catch can isn't really going to do anything, it's just a little oil vapor.

[@einfelder8262]

Wrong. The oil will still gum up the inlet tract, just a whole lot less than when EGR is added.

[@jarydt1152]

@@einfelder8262 as if, my hj61 12ht has done 412 000km and the intake is as clean as a whistle

[@einfelder8262]

@@jarydt1152 I forgot you were a hero to whom facts don't apply.

[@jarydt1152]

If your car doesn't have a egr whats the point ? Does the 1hdt have a egr ? If not no exhaust gases go though your intake so you're not gonna get get soot build up on the intake or valves.

[@hobsonsoffroadandcustoms4918]

He legit explained how and why you get combustion gasses in your intake caused by blow by caused but worn piston rings and or glazed clyinder bores it leaks past the pistons and rings into sump that vents trough the crank case breather into intake

[@krump743]

Hmmm wonder If ryco has given these guys a free gift to talk about. Built not bought, Danie Simpson and many other youtubers have all spruiked the "ryco catch can". Starting to see which companies pimp these youtubers out lol.

[@jasonhowe1697]

my concern when was the last time those pistons was out of the engine if you have oil coming out of the engine sounds like the piston rings are fucked mate and you shouldn't be getting oil in the air filter mate.. I wouldn't be using the cruiser as a bush basher mate until you done a engine rebuid if the piston rings have failed you'd have metal in your engine when you drain and do an oil change..

[@andrews7046]

No egr then no point. That engine has how many ks on it already without issue? I’ve got 312 on my 1hz turbo no catch can. Others have much more than I without issue.

[@jackchatfield8869]

My 1HD FTE with EGR at 450,000km before I cleaned it out for the first time, sure it was dirty but it didn't actually increase performance when I cleaned it out...

[@keilfestin4606]

Sweet first

[@Tasfarmer]

Can you just leave it open all the time like the little hose

[@AussieArvos]

I talk about this at the end!

[@Tasfarmer]

@@AussieArvos yeah sorry commented half way into it

[@erikattwill2945]

I remember my first landcruiser. This car is going to break your heart when it blows up. Also seen as you don't have an intercooler or egr. The catch can isn't saving much.

[@einfelder8262]

It will now that the filter is saturated.

[@andrews7046]

@@einfelder8262 he means that the catch can is preventing a problem that doesn’t exist on that engine.

[@einfelder8262]

@@andrews7046 The problem doesn't exist because he is venting the blowby to atmosphere. That's the way it was when I was a young bloke. As soon as you suck the blowby back into the intake on a direct injection engine, you WILL get buildup on the intake tract and valves. Nothing like when you add EGR, but it still happens. Facts, mate.

[@erikattwill2945]

@@einfelder8262 non direct injection diesels don't put the fuel in the port either. His explanation is only for petrols. And on an old diesel your exhaust port going to block up before your intake anyway.

[@einfelder8262]

@@erikattwill2945 You sound confused. What is a non direct injection diesel that doesn't put the fuel in the port either? ANY direct injection engine, petrol or diesel, doesn't inject fuel into the port - with some exceptions where a secondary injection of propane, petrol, water/meth is used to keep inlets clean and/or get more power.

[@mikeg1074]

No EGR, why fit a catch can.

[@benglowacki]

Where is James haven’t seen him for a long time 🤷‍♂️

[@karl4834]

It's like a Superman and Clark Kent or Batman and Bruce Wayne deal, you never see Patrick and James together in real life...just in the odd scene when they have to throw off suspicion. I'm not saying they are one and the same person, but if you check their DNA it is an extremely close match 🤨😮😮😮 🤔 😎😄😄

[@freemind9734]

It's just another industry gimmick not required on an old 80 bus.

[@brockey4]

🧐 alcohol stihl 😎 hook a brother up 🍻

[@raymondc9896]

There should be a lot more oil than that.

[@bentheguru4986]

"Gummed Up" intake explaination is wrong. Oil vapour does no harm to intake valves and actually helps. What gumms up is the EGR system that some toss designed for emissions junk by feeding spent exhaust back into the intake for re-combustion. Worst idea every for a diesel. If your donk is sad and has a lot of blow-by then you get more flow and can lead to buildup in the induction system that can be bad if you get a big pool of it move into the cylinder then you should know what happens next.

[@samul7482]

There is no need for catch cans on any cars except for those with an egr system.

[@janeblogs324]

Until piston rings or valve guides wear. Then they become a need.

[@samul7482]

@@janeblogs324 I guess still not a proper fix for those problems but is useful

[@artieclapham4148]

Better off burning the oil. Save money on fuel.

[@andrewbailey1886]

Looks like a provent knock off

[@joseph8852]

Life’s boring if you worry about the law enough to want a catch can Just run er to a chassis rail

[@callumnewbigging4696]

wouldn’t bother without egr just run the hose to the chassis

[@HuntingOldYella]

All engines have blowby, if they don't they are not running. Exhaust soot sticking to the oil in the intake is the problem on EGR engines. That valve/injector explanation was incorrect for a diesel. Diesel direct injection and common rail inject the fuel directly into the cylinder, directed at the bowel in the pistons. Old and non direct injection, the fuel is injected into a precombustion chamber and ignited. The photos you showed were of a petrol engine. Catch cans can help older engines, I would rather.not have oil in my intake, intercooler and then combustion chamber, I prefer cool charged air that won't pre ignite Slow down, supply the correct information and a quality video, then you will never have to apologize

[@element271]

Just vent it to atmosphere, the cars already a smog machine anyway.

[@AussieArvos]

I talk about this at the end 🤙

[@geoffbell166]

Alot of heavy diesels Mack and Cat and Cumins still vent to air,..

[@comtoy308]

The oil going into your intake will help cool and lubricant your valves, and diesel is a oil so burning your old oil will use less fuel and make more power. Complete waist of time and money. 🤦‍♂️

[@comtoy308]

Don't get me wrong love the videos. Keep it up.

[@rileyburgess5076]

"Yabba dabba doo! I like talkin' to you!"

[@ourredaustralia3557]

On an 80 a catch can is a waste of time and money if it was a 200 different story

[@tiamarie177]

My opinion but you need to get more experience etc before u make these sort of vids bud or leave them to Dan

[@BrentonCollas]

As a keen mechanical ignoramus, where could he improve this video?

[@joels2517]

Yeah what did he miss

[@grahameroberts8109]

My V8 doesn’t need one mate. Lol . Keep it up. 👍🏻🙏🏽😷🦘