Are divorced pastors disqualified?

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[@airplane800]

There is an interesting story about a famous senior Baptist pastor. The senior pastor fired an assistant pastor because he was getting divorced. The son of the senior pastor explained to his father that was not the pastor's fault. His wife was leaving him for another man and there was nothing he could do. The senior pastor didn't want to listen and fired the pastor anyway. A few years later the wife of the senior pastor left him and they got divorced. The son of the senior pastor went to his father and said " now you should resign, following your own standard". The senior pastor could care less, he kept his position and authority. It is just a bunch of hypocrisy out there. Sin is just what the other do. We pick the sins we want to accuse other people but we don't look at our own sins.

[@vuphillianzathang1533]

Keeping the word of God is lasting even if it costs us in some way or the other.

[@vuphillianzathang1533]

Keeping the word of God is lasting even if it costs us in some way or the other.

[@efraimg115]

Well well

[@Simplysaid46]

Is that how the story goes. I always wondered what exactly happened. Great teacher of the Word...

[@roxineus]

Yikes. Sorry.

[@franciscoluciopereira1135]

Just learning the Bible with You Brother. Well done. God bless You so much.

[@thomasc9036]

Dr. Schreiner, I watch these helpful videos almost everyday. These wise teachings help me to examine scriptures more thoroughly than I would have without watching them. There are many times I tend to make hasty conclusions without seeing the overall scriptural teaching on the marriage. Thank you!

[@philipbuckley759]

take all the time you want....but Scripture is clear....take care of your home....

[@r0b0gam3r9]

Divorce isn’t a unforgivable sin.

[@philipbuckley759]

@@r0b0gam3r9 Marriage, is the unforgivable sin...

[@redbird1824]

@@r0b0gam3r9 Divorse is seperation [ not good].The disaster comes in the re-marrriage because that is adultery. That is forgivable too but you cannot KEEP the object of your sin.[the unlawful spouse]that marriage IS NOT RECOGNIZED BY GOD. Herod was warned by John the Baptist but he would not hear him. He has been incarcerated in hell for 2000 years awaiting the GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGEMENT. He should have listened to the Holy Spirit but he preferred listening to devils like many that read this looking for ways to continue in adultery.

[@jackfreebird365]

Is it what people say or what the Bible says?? Let's not be looking for people's suggestions when it comes to marriage. It's what God says in the Word of God,the Bible,that stands, period!!

[@ronwhited1224]

Finally, someone who has a fair grasp of what Paul actually taught.

[@crysis_averted]

Before addressing this topic either way the most important thing we need to understand is that marriage is an earthly covenant between one man and one woman. It is a gift from God and he defines what it is: the two become "one flesh" and are only separated by death. The only time Scripture says divorce is an option (though not required) is when Christ says you may in cases of adultery and when Paul says if a non-believer leaves a believer because of their faith. For the marriage covenant itself God never differentiates between if it is two believers, two unbelievers, or one of each. A person getting saved does not change the marriage covenant. Jesus said if a man divorces his wife and she remarries then he is causing her to commit adultery. How unfair does that seem to our modern-day Western mindset? The husband is the one who divorces yet the wife is still considered as adulterous even though she didn't initiate the divorce? Yet, those are the words of Christ himself, the God who gave marriage to mankind. It's not because Jesus is being unfair, but because we have too low a view of what marriage really is. We are products of our Western culture that has systematically destroyed any notion that God is the one who ordains marriage, not earthly governments. The other sins listed on the qualifications of an elder do not deal with breaking a conventional relationship. That is why having them in your past does not disqualify you.

[@jimmdavis8197]

EXACTLY!!! How on earth is this guy or ANYONE ELSE for that matter blatantly disregarding Jesus' own words AND Paul's, written under the inspiration of the Spirit of Jesus??? Jesus draws a CLEAR line: "But I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except on the ground of sexual immorality, makes her commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery (Matt 5:32, also Matt 19:9)." And Paul's 2nd witness, "To the married I give this command (NOT I, BUT THE LORD): A wife MUST NOT separate from her husband. But if she does, she MUST REMAIN UNMARRIED OR else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife. (1 Cor 7:10-11)." What am I missing from these two witnesses, BOTH from the Lord Jesus???

[@philipbuckley759]

fornication is the exception....and when the covenant has been established it is no longer an option...

[@johnbarnette1815]

I know as a man I am 100% responsible for my divorce. I take ownership of the failures. This drives me crazy I wasn't saved till after my divorce. I was a addict and alcoholic. I really feel like my hands are tied as far as what I can do in church.

[@lejohnson2]

john barnette brother this doesn’t apply to you. As you where divorced prior to being saved. Remember Paul was a murderer before he was saved and God used him mightily

[@isaiah53apologetics56]

Me too man.... I've lived a filthy life in the past and I have 2 children out of wedlock but now I feel a strong urge to go out and preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ ...but that seems like a problem.

[@JamesPreech]

john barnette sorry to hear that. My first wife divorced me when I returned from Iraq. Yea, I had anger issues but she wasn’t supportive and willing to work things out. I went to counseling for my anger. My second wife divorced me while I was working on my Masters in Bible College. Friends attempted to talk to her. They tried to lead her through the Bible. She told them she knew what the Bible said but she didn’t care. Now I’m remarried, six years now. I’m a Chaplain in a hospital. Churches won’t hire me due to the divorce and remarriage issue. Two problems is find in the church; biblical illiteracy and full of Pharisees.

[@johnbarnette1815]

@@isaiah53apologetics56 thanks for sharing that.

[@johnbarnette1815]

@Danny Murdach Thanks. Awesome to be clean-sober and separate from the filthy way I used to live. I'm still very ashamed. Just would like to do more for God. Prayers brother.

[@GurrrBatSh_t]

If the other spouse still lives, remarried is not "an" adultery, a one-time sin, it is ongoing adultery. Though they try to repress their conscience Everybody concerned knows it's adultery. You can't lead with a guilty conscience you are repressing.

[@MarthaTladi-yl9fq]

If all fails, thank God there is no more marriages and remarry in heaven. Marriage is a worldly thing. Let God judge. Remember restoration. Remember repentance.

[@soh581]

If the divorced man is truly a man of God, he will serve humbly elsewhere in the church. Just the status in and of itself can be a stumbling block to many believers and nonbelievers as he preaches behind the pulpit. A godly humble man will not put himself in a position that will hinder the flock. He can serve in so many other areas beside the pulpit such missionaries, church elders/ deacons, youth pastors etc. If he still feels called to be a pastor, then he should really evaluate the heart as the heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked. His calling should not be based solely on an internal feeling but also an external calling by being recognized by well established leaders. Pastoring a church is a serious job with serious consequences when not done properly. James 3:1 warns us "Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly" Yet we have many people in the role of pastors because they "felt"in their heart called by God. I think this video does an excellent job explaining why there must be an external validation to be called as pastors of a church: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i6GqZqSunNWHhbs

[@named161]

The way you write is very easy to understand...

[@marcosross790]

You really need to go back to Bible basics. Why would God call a man to be a good church leader. Give him a wife. Wife gets greedy in her heart divorce her husband. Then "we" all say this man is not fit to lead the church from the front. But he is now demoted, but good enough to be a mini pastor over the young people. Who could lead a stray the young folk. Surely it's God who calls us and alots out the gifts to us. Not the ideas of well wishers?

[@soh581]

@Marcos Ross Maybe you did not understand the post. Regardless of who divorced who, the status in and of itself can become a stumbling block to believers and nonbelievers alike. I strongly believe a man of God will not put himself in a position that could hinder the flock in anyway. For a man to give up the pulpit to serve elsewhere in the body of christ is certainly not a demotion. What an insult to the body of christ. Every role in the body of christ has a specific job and just as much important. A true man of God will know when to humbly step down and serve in other areas with humility and submission to our Lord.

[@joseflores-is8mq]

This is by far the best way to describe this issue,God bless.

[@derrickkennedy3812]

I think a better way is to just say what the scriptures said one wife means one wife so if you have a second wife and your first wife is still living your living in adultery.

[@vannellssaaden7810]

@@derrickkennedy3812 AMEN!!!!

[@fhopefor1509]

A divorced person is not qualified to be a pastor some people explain the bible to dear lifestyles and to please others especially friends

[@elibennett6168]

Marriage covenant and marriage license by the state are two different things, though they merge together for the Christian. I think today we get these things confused. Covenantal marriage is representative of Christ and the church, and he would never put us away (leave us or forsake us). Our marriages likewise represent our regard for our relationship with Christ. My take on this is that once you enter a marriage covenant, it is not easily broken for it is meant to be lifelong while both parties live. You are one flesh. You can more easily break the state's legal status of marriage, but still be bound to God's marriage covenant, for it is he who brings people together into that covenant. Legally divorced people should live as if they are still married while the covenant remains - that is, don't pursue another; remain faithful. In looking at the scripture it seems like one is not bound if the ex has sexual relations or marries another, dies, or left because they were unwilling to stay with a newly converted spouse. I am undecided about issues of abuse and abandonment because not all examples of divorce were covered in the New Testament, and have known women who left abusive husbands (or were left) but remained unmarried due to their regard for God. Barring these, God urges reconciliation where divorce is a result of disobedience and hardness of heart, which are often the underlying issues for humans. Regarding pastors and leaders, having your own house in order - the principle of being faithful in the smaller things - is an important qualification for taking care of and serving the house of God. It is a good thing to desire to do, but you will be judged more harshly if you are unfaithful or desire leadership for the wrong reasons. No matter what your hand finds to do, it is important to be sure God affirms it. Anytime I hear someone say: "God called me", I ask how did you confirm that call? It is a serious thing to speak for God. In one instance a person claimed to be called to be an evangelist in a funding letter, and then walked away from it a month later. Which is true? He was called and disobeyed, or he misrepresented a call? Always align your compass with Christ and he is faithful to direct your steps.

[@joeiiiful]

If a person is divorced several years before his conversion, is that an unpardonable sin? What other sins of the past are not forgiven? Of course the answer is clear. I agree with the professor's viewpoint. There are many self righteous people who inject their hypocritical beliefs into the discussion. Text without context is a pretext for a proof text. A proper hermeneutic is necessary for this subject and everything else.

[@SimpleManGuitars1973]

Of course it's not an "unpardonable sin". Only blasphemy against the Holy Ghost is that. However, it is a "disqualifying" sin for that particular office and that's perfectly fine because there are tons of other things that a man can do to serve his Lord.

[@philipbuckley759]

a same sex marriage, before conversion.....is this relationship allowed to continue if one....repents....

[@chucksolutions4579]

If you can remain abstinent all your life, do so and devote yourself fully to God. Do not have sex (or engage in sexual immorality, cough "porn!" Cough cough!). If you do need that release or if you burn in lust, get married! Stay married all your life. Period. Find a way to be faithful and make it work. If you screwed around BEFORE becoming a Christian, there is Grace there, but if you were married (or fathered children) you missed your chance to be an elder in the church. And if women or others come forward on the church who would be challenged by you becoming a pastor because of your past, then you might want to reconsider your calling, or if you were called. Take a hard line stance on yourself, you don't have to be a pastor or elder or deacon to help lead the church. When I was in the military I never joined a church, yet I was on anywhere from three to five committees, taught Sunday school and even locked and unlocked the place every Sunday and Wednesday. I submitted to the spiritual leadership of the individual church but disagreed with the greater denomination, therefore my wife and I chose to never join. We also kept thinking we would be transferred every six months, so it was always a temporary thing. My point is, you can impact a church mightily without holding an office.

[@lordssideministries4062]

You wax eloquent but you left out one important factor. The Lord. The Lord calls men and women to specific ministries. God does not see one ministry as more important than others. The Sunday school teacher has to give account just like the traveling evangelist. The deacon must give account like those who are in the ministry of helps. All ministry is important. The qualifications of a bishop is not the five fold ministry gifts. (Pastor, Teacher, Apostle, Prophet, Evangelist) A Bishop oversees more than one local fellowships. So if one would get technical the one wife prohibition only relates to a bishop. The Lord forgives all sin and allows His servants to minister as He sees fit.

[@chucksolutions4579]

@@lordssideministries4062 I agree that all sins can be forgiven, and I am not asking anyone to step down, I am forced. to trust the leading of the Holy Spirit in the hearts of my brethren. I think that taking a hard line stance and then allowing the individual congregation to exercise mercy on a case by case basis is the best option. The office of bishop or elder is executed differently in different christian sects, I can only speak to my own understanding. While I have attended Catholic, Orthodox and numerous protestant churches, I have only been a member of four denominations, and I am aware of their limitations: Anglican, Presbyterian, reformed baptist, and non denomination (which of course can mean anything!).

[@philipbuckley759]

@@lordssideministries4062 forgives the ones living in the continual sin, of adultery???

[@MotorsportDiesel]

Office of...In itself is not scriptural that context was added as a comment by the translators as one of their rules FOR translation set forth by King James. What ends up happening is that terms and opinions get extruded back into the text, that were never there to begin with. You have that which is true in Greek : presbuteros which is not a position of appointment, it is simply an older saint, more referring to maturity than of age. As Paul exhorted for Timothy's age not be an issue of him being despised. Then you have also in Greek : episkopeo as overseer, the one bearing oversight. This refers to one that is looking around diligently and protectively for the purpose to guard the flock. How many self appointed men, or by the appointment of other men have failed in that regard. Then you must consider who you are serving, and it is not a mere mortal man but The LORD Himself and His Bride which has been dressed up and paraded around as a whore to draw men. When the King returns for His Bride which was left to the care of UNQUALIFIED men as overseers, what will this KING do? Christ certainly spoke on divorce, as marriage is representative of our relationship to our LORD as He is our Husband. It is easy to see how things veer off of course at the direction of men. Here is the real question, would Paul have promoted or urged an openly divorced man to be an overseer? He would have of certainty replied God forbid, as a basis for qualification (proofing or testing) would have had a Levitical foundation. Why would the Apostle Paul amend or make a remedy to what was already established? It should be self evident by merely reading and understanding the context of the Holy Bible, as there should be nothing new concerning serving a Holy God, be careful of offering Him that strange fire!

[@curtismoore2730]

HE CAN BE DIVORCED BUT NOT REMARRIED, BECAUSE SCRIPTURE SAYS IF HIS WIFE IS STILL ALIVE AND HE REMARRIES HE COMMITS ADULTERY.

[@lockhartsc]

Where exactly does it say that?

[@curtismoore2730]

sgt muffin GOOGLE pastor JENNINGS, "marrage and divorce",i will EXPLAIN and SHOW you the scriptures in highlighting detail.

[@pfzht]

Well that's just stupid.

[@curtismoore2730]

Angelus Irae what is just STUPID??

[@markthompson788]

Don't attempt to quote if you don't know the quote. Like that's basic.

[@faithfultheology]

Theres a reason marriage is in church and you say till.death do us apart it doesn't mean in ten yrs let's trade her in and get younger women . Marriage is serious in the eyes of God but we love sin to much .divorce is of the world not the church

[@johnnieblack1061]

People used too have more than one wife at the same time. Abraham, Jacob ,so Paul is saying if you want to be a Deacon or a Bishop in the church you should be the husband of one wife. If you are a polygamist you shouldn’t be considered for the position of Deacon or Bishop.

[@jackjones3657]

What about pastors who have systematically betrayed their own congregations to bring personal profit, practiced authoritarian bully tactics and seem to Lord themselves over their congregations? One such author, preacher, speaker etc. James MacDonald, did these things and still has a significant voice in the Christian community after being fired from his church. These are prescient questions in modern times. It's curious to think about how the church is to handle such situations.

[@JahRootsRadio]

Jack Jones James McDonald is simple. If people abort these preachers and make God their only preacher people like McDonald wont have an audience.

[@loveinaction2772]

Charles Stanley did it right

[@torbreww]

Paul would be the very first to reject any strict legalism. Paul himself might not qualify to be a pastor in many churches today because he wasn’t married and in some Christian circles in his day was known as a troublemaker.

[@johnnilan8240]

I was in divorce court some time back and was observing the hostilities. The petitioner hated the respondent, and the feeling was mutual. They both hated the judge. The judge hated them. The opposing attorneys hated each other and their clients. The conflicts revolved around sharing the children, school permissions for custody/time sharing, interim support, lack of employment and finally hiring experts ordered by the judge! At that time the Spirit of God spoke into my spirit and said now do you see why I hate divorce. I was deeply moved by that word to me. Pastors are not immune from that ongoing ungodliness. I will not ever sit under the teaching of a divorced pastor or teacher.

[@roblane5699]

Would you ever sit under the teachings of a murderer??? Apostle Paul was one before coming to know Christ People live lives before being saved from their sins, and they make terrible mistakes during that time. Thankfully, GOD forgives. It would be nice if men would too

[@johnnilan8240]

@@roblane5699 Good reply. If you read Paul, he repeatedly states his disqualification as the worst of believers. However, he had a more perfect appointment as he said himself. He did not confer with anyone but was delivered the gospel by Jesus. And to be sure his awful behavior occurred before his conversion. What we see today are self appointed men who become "life coaches" and not ministers of the gospel delivered to them from Christ. I am an attorney who has had to deal with minister crashes. I must say that the pride exhibited by "fallen" preachers is astounding. They have no compunction to after divorcing, to visiting prostitutes, to fraud, to pedophilia and then returning to the pastorate after "getting counseling." They should not return. Look at the New Testament directives. They can be restored to "fellowship" but should never have a post of leadership as they have failed during their instruction to others. Consider the fellow in Corinth who was having sex with his mother. He ostracized at Paul's direction but was also returned to fellowship also at Paul's direction. So we learn that "believers" in leadership are judged more strictly. James 3:1.

[@johnnilan8240]

@@roblane5699 Sure God forgives and being caught in a sin can be restored to fellowship. I John 1:9 and Galatians 6:1 are instructive. However, today's leadership consider their position as one of monetary gain and that is the rub. How about those leaders who have been removed and then turn around and sue the church? What is at stake is the ministry of the Holy Spirit who is given in promise to us. The upside down mode of church leadership -- the "Moses model" is error and produces leaders given to abuse of the congregants.

[@johnnilan8240]

@@roblane5699 I represent people in criminal defense and I would strive to have them set free but once free, I would never sit under their instruction or take them into my home. That should answer you too simple a question.

[@scottk7887]

Good job Schreiner!

[@MyWerttrew]

Comparing drunkenness to divorce is comparing apples and oranges. Marriage itself is holy, even among unbelievers; it is a covenant instituted and ratified by God till death. Violation of this covenant disqualifies anyone from church leadership

[@thilakchristopher8246]

Pastors who are divorced and married again have no moral authority to be a pastor anymore. They should resign from their respective post. As per the Biblical standards, one man, one women that are married is qualified to minister a Church... Unfortunately, it goes other way round in the church ministry these days.... Titus 1:6-9v, 1Tim 3:1-13v

[@johnnyonthespot3855]

This conversation only applies if the "church" as he defines it has the authority to even minister in the way the New Testament describes. Since Christ called those original disciples, I am not sure how he can believe that same authority still exists in his church, which makes the entire discussion moot.

[@mnp870]

Divorce is complicated and it can get exhausting when one party keeps rebuilding while the other party keeps digging their heels in wanting their own way. Marriage is unity not competition. It would be better to have programs that build strong marriages vs divorce. A pastor is looked up to as a spiritual leader. Many people rely on his knowledge to teach the flock. Divorce will devastate both side of the family, dissolve the church organization and cause many heart breaks. Unfortunately, some may even loose faith even though their faith needs to be on the Lord God not man. The pastors reputation will lack respect. It takes years to built a church foundation and can be destroyed in a short time. it’s very difficult to rebuild a strong marriage but not impossible. If I attended a church where the pastor is divorced would I judge him or her. No, the attendance may be less but would want to know why it happened. It’s tough. Pastors have a tough job with a high calling

[@philipbuckley759]

Pastors have a tough job because they insist on the one man show.....and ignores 1 Corinthians 14.26 New Living Translation Well, my brothers and sisters, let’s summarize. When you meet together, one will sing, another will teach, another will tell some special revelation God has given, one will speak in tongues, and another will interpret what is said. But everything that is done must strengthen all of you

[@newfront4]

I like this man's approach but I will clear this up a little bit. My take is that when Paul mentions husband of one wife, he is talking of polygamy. It's quite possible that certain Christian's especially gentiles had two or more wives. This is why he makes that statement. If you go to preach the gospel to certain parts of the middle east and Africa today, many families still have more than one wife especially if they have wealth. Therefore, God's design is for one man and one woman. That's the example God want's in the Church as leaders. Those with more than one wife cannot serve as leadership. Neither we as a church are to ask them to divorce their wives, they just can't serve as leaders period. As for those who have been divorced. I believe remarriage is possible but in very few circumstances. The death of a spouse is one. An unfaithful wife or husband who leaves the marriage and re-marries is another one. Once that person is remarried, it is forbidden in the old testament to reconcile. It's done. So I will give you an example regarding an unfaithful wife since we are talking pastors. Wife asks husband for separation, begins seeing another man and then asks for divorce. The man grants divorce (justified i might add) and the wife remarries with the one she is seeing now. I believe that husband free and can re-marry and is no longer bound. It would be an abomination to force that man to reconcile with the wife that left him after she is remarried. That was forbidden in the old testament. I have to say that because there are some pastors out there condemning folks who remarried after their spouses remarried.

[@derrickkennedy3812]

Christian V can you give chapter and verse for you say is the truth I would like to check what you say with the scriptures.

[@philipbuckley759]

once again it does not seem to matter....what the text says someone is going to find a way, around it....

[@philipbuckley759]

nowhere, in Scripture does it excuse an non believer....once again John the Baptist lost his life, over this very issue....oh dont worry...repent and you can stay in your adultery....

[@billion86]

What about Paul?

[@philipbuckley759]

@@billion86 ???

[@yahoshuashemayahsarel6277]

It's cut and dry and yet people spend hours debating what people think or feel...NO LISTEN AND FOLLOW SCRIPTURE!!!

[@gerardolopez699]

you need to read the scriptures really carefully and with the help of the holy spirit, john the Baptist didn't die because of what you said it was because the king took his brothers wife and john the Baptist pointed out his sin!!!!!

[@grahamleadbeatter5981]

No, if you repent and God forgives you, you can stay married to your second spouse and you are not living in adultery. Yes, you committed adultery by divorcing and remarrying, but after genuine repentance and forgiveness, you can remain with your second spouse with God's blessing. People who have multiple marriages are usually consumed by sexual attraction and are not genuine in their repentance.

[@timstanton1270]

How do you get around the last part of the same verse that says that the pastor/elder/overseer is to "manage his own household well"? If he has managed his own household well, he would have taken care of his wife and children and the divorce would not have happened. If the husband had done what Paul states in Ephesians and loved and served his wife as Christ loved and served the Church even going back to Ephesians 5:21 and submitting to EACH OTHER we would not have seen that divorce take place.

[@rockhardnipple6633]

I was married for 3 months before I left for deployment to the Persian Gulf. I supported my wife while I was away as best I could. Within 2 months, she was sleeping around. Was that my fault, or hers? I remained faithful, she didn't. When I came back from deployment, I divorced her. I'm remarried (for 15 years now), have 2 great kids, and love Christ and my family with all I have. I think it's entirely possible to do all you can to love someone and care for them, and they not return that love.

[@GiaGirlism]

@@rockhardnipple6633 you should have been advised against leaving so soon after marriage. In the old testament we see that soldiers had to stay home for a year after they were married. Your divorce was biblical. As to whether you can be a pastor, I don't know, I'll have to examine that issue a bit more.

[@rockhardnipple6633]

@@GiaGirlism I'm not a Pastor. I do teach at church though. My only point is that it's hard to make clear cut decisions. There are so many circumstances surrounding divorces. I agree that marriage should be worked out. Sometimes people don't REALLY know someone until it's too late. I only wish we could be like Hosea. I just couldn't take the repetitive betrayal. I'm glad Christ is more forgiving than I am.

[@jafile]

He doesn't have to "get around it." It's consistent with what he stated in his answer. By "managing his own household well" it doesn't have to mean that he ALWAYS has. It means that he currently has a proven track record of it. There are plenty of married 23 year olds who don't yet have a clue how to manage their household well, that will be very competent when they are 40.

[@SimpleManGuitars1973]

@@rockhardnipple6633 I'm terribly sorry that you got a divorce and I greatly thank you for your service to our country. I believe that you are clearly unqualified to serve as a pastor but I absolutely admire your faithfulness to our Lord in glorifying him in the ways that you still can though. What kills me is that some people think "well if I can't have the job I think I should have then I'll just lay down on God and do nothing" and that's clearly the wrong attitude. Keep fighting the good fight of faith my friend!

[@jk6653]

The Bible is clear that you can remarry ONLY if your spouse dies. Hence, an elder that is divorced cannot be an elder. So clear...

[@ivye1826]

How come the church can clearly identify that the bible disallows female pastors, but then try to dodge that the bible disallows divorced male pastors or men whose children are unruly. If he cannot manage his household, he cannot be a pastor. Please be consistent.

[@junetaylor8396]

It is not difficult at all. A divorced man cannot preach from the pulpit unless the reason for the divorce was his wife's infidelity. Simple. If his wife was unfaithful, then he is free to marry again and can preach from the pulpit.

[@philipbuckley759]

I guess the question is why is this text so ambigious.....is there not a better way to say something...

[@botlhalenxumalo280]

Please don't give peoples views but what scriptures say about divorce. Jesus taught that if you divorce and remarry you commit adultery.

[@RationalJJ]

1 Corinthians 7:10: "To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. 11 But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife." This command applies equally to both genders though the example provided is that of a wife leaving. Secondly, note that this is a command of the Lord and is addressed to the believers of Corinth; not just the leadership. So the NT teaching is clear on the subject. The Bible makes a provision for divorce & remarriage in the case of an unfaithful spouse (Mathew 19:9) and for no other reason; even if you are perfectly innocent. So clearly, the answer provided is a lowering of the standard set, even for a believer, more so for the office of a pastor.

[@philipbuckley759]

fornication, not sexual immorality...

[@Believefor]

Money is the god of the church ⛪ Preying on people who give

[@bluetruckhos9926]

Does he have to be married??

[@philipbuckley759]

this is an interesting question, and if you find an answer, please let us know...

[@Ioulos86]

Let’s reason if a pastor or Shepard can’t hold together his marriage how can he hold together if he lost his wife because of the church and he remarried he should step down and focus on his marriage if him and his wife have good standing with the church let them reside over the church together

[@duhg6059]

I dont care what he thinks I care what the bible says.. divorce can happen but as long as the covenant spouse is alive they cant remarry.. so how many times can I divorce and remarry? He never quotes the bible or even opened it during his advice session.. seek and pray to God and study Gods word.. 2 timothy 3:16-17 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. 1st Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;.. a husband of 1 wife not 1 at a time..

[@olinbradleymassey1391]

Is this law?

[@timadams3979]

How about polygamy v non polygamy this was the 1C we are talking about

[@philipbuckley759]

one husband, one wife....

[@abigailanderson8863]

The true is when a seminary or college or church allows or is agree or teach that a person can after married can be a pastor then that doctrine and teaching is liberal an bad.

[@philipbuckley759]

with so man....preachers children ending up...ship wrecked, it seems that this should be a priority.......deal with your family, first....eh....

[@lauramendoza1602]

Twisting the scriptures

[@JahRootsRadio]

Laura Mendoza more like mangling it

[@nicaloussmith984]

No he can pastor, he just can't remarry, it can't be him who wants divorce, and he can't remarry, its actually a commandment of the lord, read Corinthians 2. This guy is guessing smh, read bible buh,, of course it's not talking about your past, paul was a murderer, what is happening to ppl, it's like there brain is rotting.

[@roxineus]

Help me where it says in scripture that you can remarry. I’m learning the Bible.

[@vannellssaaden7810]

You can only remarry if your spouse is dead. That is what the scripture says.

[@roxineus]

Vannellssa Aden Thanks. I appreciate your help. Can you direct me to where it says that in the Bible. *learning*

[@vannellssaaden7810]

@@roxineus 1 Corinthians 7:10-11 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife. Luke 16:18 Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery. Romans 7:2-3 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. Mark 10:11-12 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery. 1 Corinthians 7:39 The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord. Matthew 19:5-9 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away? He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. Here is a video link for sound doctrine on this topic kzbin.info/www/bejne/hKDUnZ6uadKIfLM

[@vannellssaaden7810]

@@roxineus If you need more videos to look at give me a shout out and I'll be happy to send you more. Have a great evening!

[@MONKEYSCHANNEL327]

accept for sexual immorality. sex messes up the covenat between two people. unless for sex sins then they cannot remarry is m,y understanding. this came from jesus himself.

[@tomcarstarphen4996]

This guy should not be in charge of anybody the Bible estate one marriage until death do you part you cannot remarry on the any biblical

[@luke928]

aka nobody really knows what they are talking about.

[@glenhowell6909]

When the spouse dies, so does the marriage covenant.

[@CarlosRDumont]

I left the Catholic church because i got divorce, my ex wife mistreated and abused me , in the end she asked for divorce and its was a very draining and contentious process. I reach the church for orientation and support , i was a leader in my church, Boys Scout troop , assistant in the sunday bible school, even went to a special seminary for parishioners one day , they remove me from all the leadership positions , they did not gave me a chance to explain , so i left the church and went to a Christian protestant church, i attended for 5 years , one day the pastor of that church asked to read the lectures of that sunday, i remember crying as i was reading the word of God that day , the parishioners thought it was the word of God that moved me to tears, maybe it was, but it was the memory of what I was doing in the Catholic Church I attended since childhood. I was offered the post of assistant pastor, and many people objected because I was not married, I explained, (at least they gave me that opportunity to defend myself), that I had already closed that chapter of my life because I married and divorced, Now they don't want me because I'm not married? I left that meeting very disturbed, very sad. I wondered if I really wanted to keep going to church. 2 weeks passed and then I received the news that they gave me the position. Bottom line, you will never be holy enough before humans.

[@pastorjohnpiper8864]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God know you. God ministered to me in a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding onto them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay in your life, with an evil mirror, and with motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford or give to these motherless foundation (Godstime MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state Nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact wherever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Ask for their acct details and help them call the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you in Jesus name

[@rekaadang]

May God give you fellowship, peace and every good fruits. Amen.

[@philipbuckley759]

this sounds like an emotional story, but the Scripture that supports it???

[@charliethemaddawg]

Humanity is messed up. God is holy. Seek Him now.

[@dh605x]

@@philipbuckley759 You've made countless assertions on this forum that cannot be supported by Scripture. I've even seen you distort verses in a manner worthy of a George Orwell novel. Give this man a break!

[@thomasbranham4374]

I think it depends on the circumstances that led up to the divorce. If the wife cheated on her husband, then I wouldn’t disqualify him as a pastor. If the husband committed the adultery, then he is permanently disqualified from the pulpit, simply because it’s a trust issue Those are just a couple of examples that I can think of off the top of my head

[@bogleschapel]

Once you start complicating the Bible to fit your narrative... this is where it gets sinful. The Bible is simple. To be a pastor, you must be a man of one wife. This means under NO circumstance can you have more than 1 wife during your entire life. Don't read words that are not there and create it to read what the world wants. The Bible is complete, and God said what He wanted said.

[@mikeh7256]

The Bible is clear on reasons of divorce, one of them being abandonment. Under those reasons of legitimate divorce, that person can remarry and be considered a man of one woman and therefore ascend to the role of pastor, all other factors being considered.

[@reachingoutforjesus3167]

I think this requirement speaks to the prohibition against polygamy. It's perhaps too far of a reach to introduce divorce into the discussion.

[@razzendahcuben]

That should be obvious, but unfortunately some Christians like to create additional rules in order to puff themselves up and tear others down.

[@andrewscotteames4718]

I’m a man who was in the same situation as the circumstances cited in this video. I was married at 18 as soon as I graduated boot camp in a civil ceremony by the local justice of the peace. It was before I was a believer. A few years and repeated significant adultery by my ex-wife later, we divorced. I later re-married and became a Christian. I’ve been in the faith for almost a decade now, I’ve been married for more than ten years to a wonderful Christian woman and we have a healthy and God centered marriage with three beautiful God fearing children. I was recently asked to take a minor leadership role in the church and I had serious trepidation about it. Ultimately, after prayer and contemplation, I concluded essentially what this man in the video argues. I welcome any criticism or disagreement though, and I understand that it comes from a place of genuine care for the well being of the church and society.

[@reverendv8900]

It is as if it your situation was used as an example at 04:57 where he considers a leadership role to be permissible. I agree with him and your admission of trepidation demonstrates that you do not take God and His written word lightly.

[@philipbuckley759]

this goes to the heart, of the MDR.....you say you have been married.....the Bible seems to say, you have been in adultery, for X years....

[@zacharienelsen7973]

@@philipbuckley759 How has he been in adultery? I don't see that in the Bible myself, but that by Matthew 19 and 1 Corinthians 7, that man is no longer bound by any covenant to his former wife, because she broke that covenant in adultery, behaved like an unbeliever, and wanted to leave.

[@philipbuckley759]

@@zacharienelsen7973 bad translations leads to bad teaching....try not under bondage or not enslaved....not anything akin to not bound....a term that the author had just used....

[@maureenhart478]

Before Christ is in death. InChrist is new life, washed by the blood of Christ. What and how it’s is done must be under God and through Gods Holy work. One marriage inChrist for sure and when there’s a death then can be married if (need) to be married. Other then that dedicate one’s life to Christ fully.

[@tlsundust7285]

I think we, (the church leadership "we") need to do a better job of finding out how the man in doing in the home! We must guard against the master manipulator and controller who is sinning against his family daily and rules over them, yet fooling the church they only see occasionally. This is how we put churches as risk. This is how children of ministry leaders leave the faith! The word "exemplary" is a good standard. Not perfection, but blameless in the areas of husbanding and parenting. Self control in the areas of anger, porn, alcohol, food, spending, gambling and the like. There must be an environment of no retribution for the family to be honest and men who are unwilling to let the spouse or children be interviewed separately, are likely unqualified to lead, and you just do not yet know why...

[@timothythompson4036]

I strongly disagree. Being a pastor is an important position. Your personal life should show that you respect marriage and women. Some pastors have been married and remarried 2-3 times. There personal lives are a mess. How can they advise others? Remember, Jesus never mentioned abortion or homosexuality, but he gave extensive instructions about divorce. This is an important issue.

[@mikeh7256]

The Bible is clear on reasons of divorce, one of them being abandonment. Under those reasons of legitimate divorce, that person can remarry and be considered a man of one woman and therefore ascend to the role of pastor, all other factors being considered.

[@timothythompson4036]

@@mikeh7256 Ok, but a pastor has been abandoned two or three times?

[@mikeh7256]

@@timothythompson4036 Probably not, lol. But once? Abandonment? I can't see the disqualification.

[@lawrenceehrbar8667]

He skipped a part; doesn't the word state that when a man divorces his wife HE CAUSES HER to commit adultery? Hmm.

[@philipbuckley759]

divorce and remarriage means you are living in adultery....not that you committed adultery..a one time event....

[@pfzht]

Ideally, it's a one time event. Reality is more complex.

[@philipbuckley759]

@@pfzht sorry I dont understand.....if it is continuous then one would have to leave that relationship.....and not then why make a big deal out of it....if one can repent and remain in what the Bible called adultery, it is akin to changing a sin, into a non sin, with no change, on our part...

[@pfzht]

@@philipbuckley759 relationships end sometimes and differences can be found to be irreconcilable. It's not hard to understand.

[@philipbuckley759]

@@pfzht and it is not a Biblical reason, for divorce and remarriage....can you say....wed lock....

[@pfzht]

@@philipbuckley759 salvation isn't on the chopping block over divorce and anyone who says it is doesn't understand salvation, period.

[@faithfultheology]

You can serve as a pastor divorced but you can't remarry because then your living in adultery theres a different from committing a sin and living in .you must repent you cant live in willful sin

[@ffemtrich2986]

1 Timothy 3:4-5 would in my opinion disqualify him in most cases as serving as pastor

[@AnonHeirs]

It's terrible to see a man that I know being denied even the option of ever being a Deacon because of what his ex wife did to him. He is a remarkable respectable faithful man and she cheated on him and left him for another woman's husband. So now the good guy is being, not just victim shamed, but victim punished.

[@philipbuckley759]

what can one say, the Bible does not make a provision for such a case, and as such, we can not either....

[@Seafarer62]

JHL: Exactly my situation. People in church have encouraged me to be a deacon. Except 25+ years ago, my first wife left me for another guy. I have been happily remarried to a Christian woman for the past 22.5 yrs. People stumble, apologize and say, sorry, I didn't know that. There are some horrendous legalists commenting here, only wishing to throw more rocks at innocent, betrayed people May their reward suffer for their lack of compassion. This "no-exception" viewpoint has hurt so many people. This viewpoint came out of the Catholic Church and sadly, we still have some of the Inquisitors commenting on this video.

[@AnonHeirs]

@@philipbuckley759 Except biblical widowhood and a different interpretation of that verse. Some interpret it to mean no polygamy, others interpret it as not throwing your current wife away just to get another... then another then another, and then there are others that think it means that if you marry a sinner and they sin against you then you should be punished until eternity as a second class church member.

[@lilywee1412]

He can still serve the Lord, just with out the title deacon. The Lord see’s the heart but people can’t. So just to maintain the reputation of the church he must step down, but that doesn’t mean he can not serve GOD, if he has the heart let him serve.

[@philipbuckley759]

@@Seafarer62 if you were divorced, where is the Biblical justification, for a remarriage...

[@joannfuhrer3114]

Thank you for your insight. That the divorce rates in the church today equal that of the world is very troubling. Sadly, I know believers who are on their 3rd and 4th marriages!! Realizing this, the question that I struggle with in opening these crucial leadership positions to divorced men is how would a pastor/elder with a divorce in their past be able to credibly counsel believers Biblically to hang in and work through marital difficulties when they themselves, for whatever reason, were not been able to? It seems to me that there are many areas of service in the church where this qualification does not apply. A man can certainly teach, preach and evangelize without a pulpit.

[@tomharmon122]

I think as he stated, the church itself should evaluate his reputation and character, and the period of time that he has had that!

[@lockhartsc]

Did Israel not commit adultury against God? Many generations did not turn back to Him. In this day and age the said can be said against anyone who does no accept the gospel. Therefore, how can God counsel us on relationship when He couldn't solve all of His... Obviously, it takes two to make a marriage, but sometimes it's only one to make a divorce. Therefore, one spouse could be perfect in their relationship (like God is) and still end up divorced, (and none of us are perfect).

[@chrisevanz]

The divorce rates of Christians are NOT the same. It’s a misinterpretation of some Barna data.

[@billion86]

@@lockhartsc WOWZERS- That hit HARD. No idea why I never pictured it from this perspective. New paradigm for me.

[@lkae4]

sgt muffin And yet look at what justification of divorce has done to the church. Divorce argument can be swapped with the LGBT movement which last I heard has helped Twitter to relax its policy on art of nude children. if you want to defend that too, may Jesus have mercy on you.

[@travishanson166]

"Raise your children up in the way they should go, and they shall not depart from it" This is not a commandment. It is a statement of fact. If a man does not love his wife and children (Love as action, many actions, as in Corinthians, not emotion ) they will go in they way they have been kept, and not depart from it. Therefore a pastor whose wife has left, and children steeped in/imprisoned for immorality, should not be trusted to be an elder in the congregation, because he left his first estate (his marriage) unkept, and he did not Love them. I love my children emotionally for sure, but I sure am guilty of not loving them by action. How therefore can he prepare the Body for the marriage supper of the Lamb? A man will always be a husband and father first, before pastor and elder. His family is still his responsibility above the congregation. Serving God will never cause a man to abandon is wife and children, nor them to abandon him. He must have good fruit worthy of righteous judgement. A man clearly guided by the hand of the Holy Spirit. This is not what I "believe ". That is what I know to be true, given by the Word of God.

[@philipbuckley759]

@@leebartoletti4651 when they are old.....I now know what that means.....

[@philipbuckley759]

could a divorced person be called one that managed his family well....

[@TimothyFish]

It would certainly raise some questions. Divorce is almost always the fault of both sides. But one could argue that there are cases where a man does everything that can reasonably expected of him and his wife or his children choose to do things of their own free will that nothing he could have done would have prevented. In that case, his "management" might be fine and yet he is still divorced. Granted, that can only be true if one holds that there is such a thing as free will. If there isn't free will and God is the cause of all divorce, then we might be able to simplify it and say that divorce is a means by which God shows that a man is disqualified from being a pastor.

[@eddiesblacksmithingkjv9185]

Amen brother! On the money

[@TheChurchIsLikenUntoTheMoon]

Stuff happens. You can manage a family well and still get a divorce. The passage is meaning the present, not the past. People wanna think in their own understanding and not realize we are in the age of grace.

[@eddiesblacksmithingkjv9185]

@@TheChurchIsLikenUntoTheMoon I would love to hear. How does a man manage his family well ( The way God has directed) and still end up in divorce. So u are saying Gods word has error. I believe Gods word is perfect and if followed correctly from the beginning will lead a man without error. So if a man ends up in divorce it is because of his errors not Gods. And if he ends up in divorce it's his fault for deviating from the truth and not managing his house well. And if a man doesn't manage his family well he is not dammed to hell. He is saved by the grace of God like u said. But he is disqualified from serving as a pastor. A pastor MUST be without reproach. No EXCEPTION. Same as a drunk can't stand in the pulpit an preach to the congregation about not drinking. A pastor that has been divorced can't stand in the pulpit and preach a biblical sermon on marriage. And preach against divorce because he is no longer beyond reproach. This is my thoughts but my mind is open to a biblical argument. If u can change my mind using scripture mind mind is open.

[@eddiesblacksmithingkjv9185]

@@TheChurchIsLikenUntoTheMoon All that matters is what sayeth the scriptures. What does the bible say.

[@jordanferris2015]

I’d have to disagree with his conclusion. It negates what Christ taught on marriage in Matthew 19 and ripple effect that it can have in one’s life and ministry. There are offices that some are not qualified for because of different reasons, and we can disqualify ourselves by our sin. Moses could not enter the holy land because he sinned. We can hurt our ministry and the ministry of the church when we “too hastily lay on hands,” continue in a ministry position after being disqualified, or bending the qualifications because we know someone. Yes, we can have great people serving in positions other than deacon, pastor, or elder. The qualifications must be adhered to or else risk polluting the office.

[@bphilbac]

I agree totally

[@rjmallord6849]

But Moses was qualified to be the leader of God's people. The consequences are God's prerogative. If God calls a person into leadership no man can disqualify him or her. Think!

[@ASmith-jn7kf]

@@rjmallord6849 and how would one know they are qualified? God physically chose Moses yet ask us as Believers to choose these men by qualifications. It is arrogant to think otherwise. Too many horrible people never meant to lead are in these positions, putting aside the husband of one wife, all of the other non interpretive qualifications are very difficult as well and I would say 90% of pastors do not fit within those. That is a problem.

[@jordanferris2015]

@@rjmallord6849 Moses disqualified himself by disobeying God. This is not is reference to salvation but in serving. You can disqualify yourself from serving for a whole number of reasons. That does not mean that God cannot use you anymore. You might not serve in that office anymore, but God can use you in different ways.

[@rjmallord6849]

@@ASmith-jn7kf Hello, if one believes themselves to be called by God then the proper response is to obey. It will be up to others to make the choice as to whether or not they will follow. Men cannot know for certain what is in the heart of another. King David from an outsiders point of view was not that great of a person but he was special in the eyes of God.

[@sarahlynn4790]

Your view is the only logical one. There are many who will be divorced many times before they come to know God. Any other view would mean that men who were divorced before being called to repentance would be disqualified to lead a congregation. This is nonsense.....

[@philipbuckley759]

then how do you read the text....or Scripture.....

[@sarahlynn4790]

@@philipbuckley759 Be more specific.

[@jonyoung6405]

“ a one woman man “. What’s the difference in having 2 or 3 wives together or one at a time ?

[@barbmelle3136]

I used to go to a church that believed divorce was the unpardonable sin. The pastor was never divorced. The 3 elders were unmarried 20 or so year old boys that still lived with their mothers. Only one even had a job. Very few adult men in the church, and they had all been divorced. I don't think that is the biblical intent either. Either the Blood of Jesus covers sin or it does not.

[@philipbuckley759]

admit the sin, quit the sin......both are necessary for forgiveness....

[@JustTeachMinistries]

If God has called you to do something why waist time proving yourself to people that are already saved. Just go do the work and let God honor your obedience in service. If you have a problem with a particular pastor’s past then that pastor is not for YOU. Doesn’t mean they aren’t for someone else. John 3:27 clearly says we can only receive what heaven has for us so if someone goes forward in ministry God will add the number that should be added.

[@ericmayes730]

I’m in the category of divorcing prior to salvation. My first marriage lasted five years. I got married again two years later. My wife and I was saved by God’s grace four years after that. I was called to the ministry about two years ago. I’ve been faithfully married to the same woman twenty one years next month. I know it will be an uphill climb for me to apply to a church that list the qualifications of 2 Timothy and Titus in the first few lines of the posting of the position. Each situation is different and situation should be evaluated in light of scripture and the details of the minister.

[@robertawhitfield2414]

You hit a most vital & viable word: “standard”...What is the character, the standard of living, the integrity of the individual in leadership or who desires to become a leader, and the likes there of 🤔!!!

[@pastorjohnpiper8864]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God know you. God ministered to me in a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding onto them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay in your life, with an evil mirror, and with motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford or give to these motherless foundation (Godstime MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state Nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact wherever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Ask for their acct details and help them call the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you in Jesus name

[@philipingram1667]

Divorce is still the unforgivable sin in some churches. What is a man to do with his gift of teaching/leadership/pastoring if his wife wants to leave him? Is he "done" as my brother told me I was, when I was divorced by my wife of 16 years who "had plans that did not include you "? The Gospel is all about reconciliation - which she rejected - and renewal, otherwise why do we teach it? She did not want me so I needed to find how I could use my gifts in serving the Lord. I was asked to serve as an elder for 10 years before I relented - I now serve and also am now also teaching adult Sunday school. I have been remarried for 17 years to a fine Christian woman and we work and serve the Lord - as a new family. One wife at a time. The other thought I have is some of those who have never been divorced seem to feel they have a superior standing with God - while their home life may be hell on earth, they still remain married. I think divorce might be better in some cases - even for Christians and have a n honest life instead of thinking they are fooling God and everyone else.

[@philipbuckley759]

divorce is not unforgivable.....but in the adultery, of remarriage, to be forgiven one has to forsake the sin.....too often people want adultery to be changed to a valid covenant....by something called repentance.....

[@julsrique9148]

@@philipbuckley759 Totaly agree, theres many what are livin bad lifes inside of the 4 walls in home, and in the church are dramatizing are good!

[@marklaronde6614]

100% Philip......100%

[@dh605x]

Well said. Nobody loves divorce. Nobody loves prisons, bank foreclosures, or the city dump either. But like divorce, these things exist for a very good reason. You'll get a lot of comments in videos such as this from those who advocate the position I call the "Marriage Permanence Heresy". They will often use Matt 19:6, Romans 7:2-3, Mark 10:5-12, and 1 Cor 7:10-11 to give the illusion of support for this destructive heresy. But none of these verses support their position. What they are doing is akin to using Luke 18:22 to argue that a rich man cannot be saved unless he forfeits his wealth. I've even heard people argue that it's a sin to listen to secular music or to drink alcohol, even in moderation. In all cases, these legalistic positions presume things in Scripture that are simply not so. Just so we are clear: the Marriage Permanence Heresy is NOT the goal or ideal that marriage be for life. Nor is it the rejection of divorce for frivolous reasons. This heresy is the claim that there is no divorce allowed or recognized by God even for compelling reasons (domestic violence, drug use, etc). Some extreme versions of this teaching hold that a remarried person is ineligible for salvation unless they divorce their current spouse! If this heresy isn't blasphemous and slanderous to God, then pray tell what is!?

[@philipbuckley759]

@@dh605x in 1 Cor 7....divorce yes, options...reconcile or remain single....

[@ruelferrer996]

Where can you find in the scripture that you can remarry after being divorce

[@robertgivens9479]

no where.. these so called schollars are compromising Gods word.. this answer can be very simple and to the point. but becausr of these kinds of answrrs people who are church goers fillup their bellies with it .. and resort to their personal feelings..

[@yahoshuashemayahsarel6277]

Read 1st Corinth chapter 7...Yahshua also speaks to the Pharisee about divorce and adultery. There's no where I've seen the justifies a Pastor/Shepherds to divorce and remarry and remain in position(.)

[@ruelferrer996]

@@yahoshuashemayahsarel6277 no more marriage after divorce

[@seanleonard8067]

Yea you cannot however there are other options such as separate however the wife cannot take a new husband but the husband can take another wife so long as he did not divorce the separated wife.

[@robertgivens9479]

@@seanleonard8067 you are totally wrong . give scriptures not your opinion.. way off bro. we are not Muslims... we are children of the living God . read luke 16 :18...ronans 7:1-3,1st Corinthian 7:39... gen 2:23-26 two become one flesh and then go to sleep. it's past your bedtime... you need some rest homey... .

[@michellefreeman3659]

When you start making these exceptions then you're getting in dangerous territories.

[@tomiliz8]

Exactly

[@roxineus]

Malachi 2:16, which states that God hates divorce. ... God hates divorce. Yes, he does, but read on and understand what is being said. The scripture goes on to say what God hates about divorce is the violent tearing of flesh that occurs when two people divorce. Never does he say he hates divorcees. That is the judgement of man. That follows suit with the flesh. So all these exceptions are bogus. Just read the scripture and the conversation is over.

[@derrickpurdy7011]

@@roxineus Not to mention God himself is a divorcee.

[@roxineus]

@@derrickpurdy7011 how is that? I did not know that. Where does is it say that in the Bible?

[@derrickpurdy7011]

@@roxineus Jeremiah 3 (specifically verse 8).

[@royfredericks2231]

If the person is a leader he is aware of the word of God, he doesn't need the people to make himself comfortable. The word should

[@ronpolson6981]

There is actually a fourth view. That Paul was saying the man of one wife because of the polygamy that took place in the OT. Solomon had mutiple wives and concubines. The time and energy needed to be spent on mutiple wives takes time away from ministry. Plus it was two from the beginning (Adam and Eve). Polygamy may have been allowed as way to repopulate. Great explanation though.

[@TimothyFish]

True, but one still has to address the requirement to manage his household well. Also, except for in the case of fornication, divorce and remarriage could be viewed as polygamy.

[@ASmith-jn7kf]

@@TimothyFish exactly.

[@jimmdavis8197]

How on earth is this guy or ANYONE ELSE for that matter blatantly disregarding Jesus' own words AND Paul's, written under the inspiration of the Spirit of Jesus??? "But I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except on the ground of sexual immorality, makes her commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery (Matt 5:32, also Matt 19:9)." And Paul's 2nd witness, "To the married I give this command (NOT I, BUT THE LORD): A wife MUST NOT separate from her husband. But if she does, she MUST REMAIN UNMARRIED OR else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife. (1 Cor 7:10-11)." What am I missing from these two witnesses, BOTH from the Lord Jesus???

[@tomiliz8]

@@jimmdavis8197 exactly

[@GurrrBatSh_t]

This is not complicated unless you're trying to justify something you shouldn't justify. Why would he want to be? For what he wants to do for Christ, he says, why does he need a title? Why does he need a pulpit? The church is to be led by men whose spirits are in union with a womans. It's not complicated. Meditate on the last half of John 17 as you listen to the song Wedding Song (There Is Love) Song by Noel Paul Stookey This is serious business. For the church to be properly led The spirit of the women must be in union via husbands. The church must have that input to have proper leadership.

[@beautybeast6960]

The chain of command starts with God, who then chooses an apostle who then chooses pastors and bishops an so on. A man cannot simply choose to be a pastor as his own house must 1st be in order.

[@YSLRD]

Amen. We can disagree about what that entails. It's still a good standard.

[@TheAggieTreypound]

Hopefully everyone who is commenting is in a successful marriage. I just have a question what about those who endure abuse whether physical or mental or those who married someone that commits a crime and is now serving a life sentence or what about the husband or wife that keeps sleeping around and has contracted HIV. Should believers stay married in these situations? Is it so black and white that believers should just stay in any type of marriage just because even unto death? Is that Gods will. Or can believers make mistakes and be redeemed by the blood of Jesus just like sinners? Just a question anybody who has experienced marriage knows that your spouse has free will and you can follow every biblical standard and still end up on divorce. I believe it’s up to God and His spirit to decide who is qualified and who is not.

[@stevethibodeaux1311]

Ask Jesus

[@philipbuckley759]

the Bible gives two options, for the divorced....reconcile, and not if possible, or remain unmarried...

[@josefernandez-leon4024]

The world Paul preached in was steep in Paganism, and having more than one wife is not the notably most recent idea of Joseph Smith/Mormonism. Yet the part of greatest difficulty was about the requirements for pastors (elders), bishops, spoken of as if men such as these, or men such as Theologians/Seminary Professors/Pastors today were themselves all so mature as if they were not going through the process of Sanctification (which is in the hands of Christ, 1 Cor 1:30) like the rest of us. This was my perception. News flash: we are all in the same boat, and even if some are at the front of the boat, they still are in the process of being conformed to the image of Jesus Christ, for no one ‘has arrived’, and Paul said that he himself had not attained. We learn from the HG (1 Cor 3:13-14, 1John 3:20,27 John 14:26), so let no man teach you, but the HG and the KJV. How much we ought to expect from a Pastor would be a touch more than any regular Christian, and to ask for much more would seem too high expectations. Most place Pastors in pedestals, and by that most avoid doing the work of studying to find themselves approved unto GOD, as men should study.

[@JahRootsRadio]

Jose Fernandez-Leon well said God should be the only teacher preacher we listen to period.

[@InsatiableMonkey]

This video assumes a permissive view on remarriage after divorce which is itself an area of contention. Romans 7 and 1 Cor 7 state that marriage is for life, so many believe that marriage is never permitted after divorce, only after the death of a spouse. The one "exception" in Matthew 19 is believed to refer to Jewish bethrothal/engagement, where a partner fornicates. The word for fornicate in Greek is "pornea". Note that the word used here is not the word used for adultery elsewhere in the new testament ("moicheia" if I recall correctly). It is fornication and not adultery in Matthew 19 because in this hypothetical example, the couple is bethrothed, but not married. Betrothals required a divorce to break in Jewish days, unlike today. Everywhere else in the New Testament remarriage after divorce, or marriage to a divorcee is noted as adultery without exception (Matthew 5, Mark 10, Luke 16).

[@sharonlain5830]

I’m 70 and raised Southern Baptist. I’m divorced but that wasn’t by my choice. We’ve made a lot of accommodations to culture and it’s not serving us well. Women shouldn’t serve as a Pastor. I’ve even seen women Bible study leaders go off the reservation too. Divorced men shouldn’t be a Pastor. There are so many ways a divorced person can help the Church. We don’t need to be official leaders. Serve Jesus with humility. Just my opinion. I am not angry at anyone. We all make mistakes.

[@litigioussociety4249]

Divorce should never be condoned or disregarded. Not to mention, the Bible clearly condemns remarriage after divorce as adultery of at least one of the spouses. A pastor ideally should be married, have kids, or at least intend to have kids, raised by both parents, and having at least one sibling. He should set an example for each of those familial relationships in the church. Even if the divorce was not initiated by the person, the failing lies in them choosing a spouse. The church should assume that they may have chosen poorly when it came to getting married, and that would not reflect well on having to counsel other dating, engaged, married, or divorced people. Likewise, if the person were married, divorced, and remarried before they became a Christian, and then repented of their first marriage, getting divorced, and remarrying with the intent of being faithful until death this time, they still shouldn't hold a position of leadership, because it doesn't uphold God's ideal form of marriage. f I was in a position of leadership, and my spouse divorced me, I would resign, and make it clear that I'm resigning to keep God's word.

[@tovarusperkins3955]

A drunker is a person who is addicted to drinking liquor and is under its power and control. It doesn't mean a person who drinks a glass of wine is unable to be a leader. Is he subject to it or is he subject to the will and plan of God and Christ.

[@slimpickins2371]

"Whomever divorces and remarries comiteth Adultery. Whomsoever marries the divorcee comiteth Adultery with them ". Period- JESUS CHRIST OF NAZARETH The only clause is death. You are using human justification. Which is deception. We are to judge everything by the word of God. It doesn't matter what "The church" thinks.

[@TrailToughTrailers]

I believe this thought process clearly allows full forgiveness of past sins. I believe it shows the Holy Spirit can work in a person's repentant life to do the work of the Lord (Whatever He/God may choose). It does not conflict with a reasonable understanding of the Lord expectations and commands. AND it doesn't place God in a man-made box... When one confesses and repents they are forgiven. And forgiven is forgiven in full, OR it's not worth much!!!

[@stubbs935]

It is simy amazing that as a church our view towards marriage and divorce is such that we keep trying to find loopholes to say things are ok. Pretty soon we will be able to divorce for any and every reason. Oh wait.. we are there!!!

[@lockhartsc]

I think you completely missed the point of the video. He's not advocating divorce, but simply discussing whether or not divorce permanently disqualifies people from leadership. I agree that many do advocate for divorce, but you shouldn't make a blanket sweeping statement accusing most churches doing this. This is just being cynical for the point of cynicism and offers little to build up the body of Christ.

[@jimmdavis8197]

Exactly. How on earth is this guy or ANYONE ELSE for that matter blatantly disregarding Jesus' own words AND Paul's, written under the inspiration of the Spirit of Jesus??? "But I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except on the ground of sexual immorality, makes her commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery (Matt 5:32, also Matt 19:9)." And Paul's 2nd witness, "To the married I give this command (NOT I, BUT THE LORD): A wife MUST NOT separate from her husband. But if she does, she MUST REMAIN UNMARRIED OR else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife. (1 Cor 7:10-11)." What am I missing from these two witnesses, BOTH from the Lord Jesus???

[@efraimg115]

@@lockhartsc agree

[@derrickkennedy3812]

sgt muffin if the point was to discuss as you say it should have been a short video he should have just said yes you are disqualified if you have a second or third wife and your first wife is still living.

[@philipbuckley759]

@@jimmdavis8197 fornication, is not sexual immorality...as sex outside of marriage is adultery....

[@deanhendrix3179]

SBC follows, one woman man means the husband of one living wife, no discussion. Imagine if God called a person to be a deacon, the preacher blocks their path, the day comes and he is told that they were the stumbling block for a called person. Hmmmm, I knew you not. SBC follows zero alcohol. Hmmm, an elder can not partake, a deacon partake of much. No clarification needed for Revelation 22:18-19.

[@stewartallen5548]

The phrase is stating that an elder needs to be a 'first' woman man, correlating to loving the woman of his youth and not dealing with her treacherously. Paul’s teaching here is specifically against Roman legal monogamy, serial monogamy. If a man takes another woman, at minimum he is to maintain food, clothing, and marital rights (Exodus 21:10), rather than get rid of her in order to get a ‘legal’ marriage, or because he doesn’t want the burden. However, there are cases when it is just and possibly required for a man to divorce a rebellious woman as modeled by the Lord (Jeremiah 3), sexual adultery being more obvious. In such cases a man is not disqualified from eldership, so long has he did not deal unfaithfully with the woman. The reason why we have such a hard time understanding text like this today is that we assume a western Greco/Roman understanding of the marriage covenant, which is literally the doctrine of demons, in this case Hera, forbidding Biblically grounded unions.

[@lilywee1412]

Then that means you’re making your own rules (translation)or to one’s own advantage. Because your reasons will make Christian’s confused. Your views doesn’t have a concrete stand against divorced leaders. Divorced Christian’s for me can not be a leader in church, we must be above reproach, simply put. Yes you can still attend church services. We must be a good example or people to look up to. Now’s a day there are many divorced leaders in church, will JESUS be happy knowing that there are many divorced leaders in the church.

[@Esbamken]

Read the Bible well Big difference between Separation and Divorce. Jesus spoke on separation ,Paul spoke on divorce Separation (bride price not returned) and remarriage = Adultery But Divorce (Genuine divorce, not premeditated ) = remarriage is possible The mistake was that they (Jews) took separation to mean divorce So they Put-Away their wives without a certificate of divorce which before God = adultery For polygamy Jesus said He who made them from the beginning made them Male (husband) and female (wife),not Male (husband) and females (wives) That's a pastor not married at the same period to more than a wife. Because That scripture says husband of one wife

[@tybuzz67]

why do you value what some people say?? the question is asking WHAT THE BIBLE SAY not what other people's opinion, so kindly answer in the view of the Holy Scriptures not yours nor any human's perspective. I find your explanation confusing because you kept alluding to men's ideas. YAH bless.

[@AnotherWasted1]

This topic would be so much easier to deal with of you used scripture and considered the heart of God when doing so. These videos based on opinion are disappointing. Divorce was allowed in the OT BEFORE consummation (yes, a certificate was required to break what we call engagement, and Israelites considered part of the marriage). When you realize why the woman was brought to Jesus instead of having been stoned already (as was the law), then you start to understand marriage, divorce, and can see the heart of God (and EXACTLY when and why divorce is able to be considered). Even when divorce can be considered, remarriage cannot - you made a life long covenant for goodness sake - should be so obvious!

[@woodshed_moments]

The elders and bishopric have to be clean... we can't allow culture to dictate leadership in the church, God set this up one way - we need to pay attention. Ever ask why marriage was instituted by God first before government? Considering those are the only two institution ordained by God where those outside of relationship with him can get the benefit... Marriage is the foundry for civic leadership... it's that simple, why would I elect someone whose personal life is a shambles? Look to the home... first. Why do you think satan corrupted Eve? He knew if the woman was tainted, society would fall behind her - all of the political left's focus are [mainly] on distracting or corrupting women. The epistles are intra-church accountability... from the rooftop to the roaches, from the side-line to the coaches. No one is exempt - there is only one standard... meet it or beat it.

[@Sean-sr9iv]

Paul had an awful reputation.. he had been killing Christians. Matthew was a despised tax collector. Jesus chose these men.. he turned them around. If it is possible, then the church and community politics involved in 'clean man' just make for a smoother ride. Paul was not disqualified for killing Christians but it did make his ministry difficult at times. I'd still choose Paul over the politically correct man.

[@FRANTORRENCE]

I cant believe this Gentleman has not brought up what Jesus said to the Pharisees, He said Moses gave you a writ of divorcement, but from the beginning it was not so. In Romans Paul gave an illustration of the Woman who is freed from the Law of Husband after her Husband dies though she is married to another. Its like doing 55 in a 35 speed limit, and then you move into a 55 speed limit. you no longer are breaking the law even though you didnt do anything different. Yes I know Paul was talking about the relationship that the believer has with sin. We are to reckon ourselves dead, and alive unto God in Christ Jesus. No longer be a slave to it, no longer giving ourselves to sin and claiming that we have grace.

[@jarvisnelson4701]

I am sorry but I disagree with this man. Many believers, including pastors especially, forget that the prophet Malachi spoke to this issue. Malachi 2:10-16. For a man to put away his wife, God hates! So the issue of divorce should apply to those claiming a call to the pulpit. I am put in mind of a current tv evangelist who has an awful marital relation that is public and widely reported in his area and because of that he believes that he and his wife are entitled and qualified to teach marriage seminars! He moved from the east coast to the west coast to get away from the publication of his marriage issues in order to keep his money (cash cow) tv programing. We are in a down-right awful situation in the church. The problem stems from the church organization: pastor, associate pastor, discipleship pastor, youth pastor and then elders. Shame on you. Elders first, and multiple elders, so that if one is caught in sin, the others can close the gap and take that person's responsibilities. That is the Pauline structure at least. Then you will not have to teach tithing from Malachi to pay for the purple Cadillac's driven by horrid ministers.

[@timburdick6207]

If your church does not allow a divorced pastors to teach in your church, then God is not allowed to teach in your church neither! Did you know that God is a divorcee also? Give Jeremiah chapter 3 verse 8 a read. God didn’t divorce just one person, He divorced a whole nation………..