Are Everton a Big Football Club? Have they ever been the Biggest Football Club in Merseyside?

[@sandykenuk]

Yes they are, and always have been, I'm an old man city fan, and have always respected Everton and there fans. It's a fantastic club, and the new stadium looks amazing. Like us at mcfc, we went through a long bad time winning nothing even through we went down divisions, we always had a big hard core of fans. I really wish Everton fc the very best for the future.

[@bigfootballclubs]

Lovely comment and understanding of the fact that club-size is about the whole history of the club, not just what's happening today.

[@clario2178]

Everton are massive ,from a Villa fan .

[@JDE1995]

Same as Villa

[@historyoffootball87]

Everton are a big club. Before the premier league era started only Liverpool and Arsenal had won more league titles. I think the last 30 years or so has given people the impression they are not a big club due to the lack of success and problems off the pitch.

[@martinhowarth81]

Spurs fan .. ofcourse they are a BIG club .. there’s no debate about that

[@bureu]

Everton topped the all-time points rankings in English football from the very beginning until the year 2000. Despite twenty-four disappointing seasons since, they still hold an impressive 3rd place.

[@pleasemenowman]

Only because they have been in the longest they let in the most goals as well for the period so its not a comparison

[@bureu]

@@pleasemenowman Of course it is. That’s the whole point of a team’s historical significance, because football and its history span 150 years, not just since the Premier League began.

[@Prodigy_Fan]

Everton were regarded as the biggest club in Liverpool until around the early 70s. We had the biggest stadium had bigger crowds, had won more honours (not by a huge amount) and were, and still are, more established in the top flight of English football. Liverpool's run of success in the 70s and 80s put them way clear of us and we'll never get back the tag of biggest club in the city for a long time. Probably never. Despite our lack of success in recent decades we are still one of the biggest clubs in the UK, whereas those across the park are one of the biggest in the world (unfortunately).

[@olgertgjermeni1592]

Come the year 1970 Everton had won 6 league titles to Liverpool 7...if you count the year 1970 too it is 7-7...I dont think you are 100% correct.Everton has been a big club and has still the aura but somehow since the birth Liverpool has outgrown Everton in every era and department.

[@Prodigy_Fan]

@@olgertgjermeni1592 By 1970 Everton had won three FA Cups to Liverpool's one so we did have the edge on trophies at the time. A difference in the clubs is that even when Liverpool are mediocre you can still attract players because of your name but we don't have that plus Liverpool won't settle for mediocrity whereas in recent decades, particularly during the Kenwright years, the club promoted mediocrity as some form of 'success'. Hopefully with the new owners and a new stadium this can change somewhat.

[@olgertgjermeni1592]

@@Prodigy_Fan3 Fa cups vs 1 doesnt make any diffrence as Liverpool were already an international recognised club before the 70s.They had reached the semifinal of the European Cup and the final of the Cup Winners Cup. The difference of those two FA cups was overwhelmed by Liverpool success in Europe.

[@Prodigy_Fan]

@@olgertgjermeni1592 7 League titles apiece and 3 FA Cups to Liverpool's 1 shows Everton were slightly the more successful club up until 1970, no matter how you try to spin it. Liverpool became an internationally recognised club during their run of success in the 70s. They wasn't in 1970 though and hadn't won anything in Europe by that point. They'd only been back in the top fight 8 years and took until 1965 to even record an FA Cup win, 59 years after Everton first won it. Interesting reading digging up the average attendances for the 69/70 season, Everton were averaging 6,000 more fans for home games than Liverpool.

[@VINNYMAC.-tj4be]

yet they were poor in european competion compared to liverpool , as for crowd size hard to say as goodison had larger capacity in those days but many supporters would attend both goodison and anfield on a regular basis.

[@garyeverton74]

Evertons highest attendance was 78,299 in 1948. That should've been in the attendance graph

[@bigfootballclubs]

Thanks. Yes, it is the fifth highest in league history. In these videos we are using averages and only really add such notable highs for clubs without high averages. Everton's averages at the time were very strong and increased in the 50's and 60's anyway.

[@VINNYMAC.-tj4be]

many at that game believe the attendance to be higher.

[@JayEFC1969]

Two championship winning sides broken up because of World Wars and also denied opportunity to compete for European Cup on 2 occasions when English champions were a shoe in for it.

[@pleasantville4529]

When it comes down to it, Everton have been on the receiving end of some seriously unfortunate events. For so much misfortune to befall Everton over the history of the English game may come as a bit of a surprise to our competition, but without the timing of certain historic events, Everton would surely be on par with any other English club. Even considering the obvious misfortune, Everton are still one of the most successful clubs in the history of the game.

[@garrystubbs4891]

It’s shoo-in*. Just saying.

[@VINNYMAC.-tj4be]

seriously why a shoe in for it ?

[@VINNYMAC.-tj4be]

@@pleasantville4529 everton fucked things themselves they won the league in 1970 were tipped to have a glowing future then the wheels came off the year after championship win they came 14th some dark times in that decade.

[@greganderson7534]

Everton are more deeply embedded in the historical fabric of the game in England than any other club. We are the only club that has been continually "big" since 1888. Villa, our closest rival, has had eleven fewer years in the top flight and been relegated six times, including once to the old Third Division back in the 60s. Only a club of our stature could still have the support we have while winning nothing for 30 years and sharing the city with a "bigger" rival. There are reasons why scousers still choose EFC over LFC, not least the fact that we more embody the spirit of the city these days, while they are busy being a global brand.

[@hansfyhrqvist7734]

Of course Everton are a big club! They have been one of the biggest clubs historically, and if they have not yet lived up to their reputation in the Premier League era, they will surely do it in the future especially when moving to their magnificent new stadium!

[@bigfootballclubs]

I wonder if the new stadium might not get the same atmosphere as Goodison. I think of Southampton moving to St. Mary's and going down

[@petercarey7456]

​@@bigfootballclubsthe new place is going to be close to the pitch like goodison, evertonians will make the new place just as good as goodison.

[@pleasemenowman]

Big clubs don't enter the Simod cup or the freight rover trophy and don't advertise on the radio to get down to goodison

[@JayEFC1969]

The biggest 50 football attendances on Merseyside have all been at Goodison Park.

[@dylanwutft9414]

Really??! Is there a source for this?

[@rewind12354]

@@dylanwutft9414That can’t be right, Anfield is 61k now.

[@kingsdock5273]

​@@rewind12354The lowest of Everton's top 50 attendances is over 62k

[@binosince76]

@@dylanwutft9414 There is an Everton results website that has the attendances on it. The lowest of Everton's 50 biggest crowds is 62,616 for a game against Wolves. The record gate is against Liverpool, the next 5 are against Man Utd, Preston, Blackburn, Wolves, Burnley and Charlton, all of which are between 75-78,000. Only 15 of the top 50 have been against Liverpool so it's not even really a case of Everton's biggest crowds being boosted by their local rivals support.

[@frankhornby6873]

@@rewind12354...Goodson Parks highest attendance was 78,000 for the visit of Live*poo* in a derby game...💙👍🏻

[@tankc6474]

Everton fan here, we still are a big club and will be back to good times soon please god 🙏

[@Rydonattelo]

No. I don't think of them as such. I judge it by how many fans outside their area do they have . Ive never met an Everton fan from outside Liverpool. I've met Man U , Liverpool, Rangers, Celtic, Man City, Arsenal all over the world.

[@ianhunter4731]

You must stay in with ye mum every night then

[@Rydonattelo]

@ianhunter4731 I've been all over the world son. Never met an Everton fan from anywhere else but Liverpool.

[@ianhunter4731]

@Rydonattelo there's blues all over the UK, got supporters clubs in the USA an 🇦🇺 , aswell as Scandinavia ,

[@bigfootballclubs]

I can recall coming across Everton fans in deepest Poland, Edinburgh, Seville, somewhere in Belgium. A lot of those wearing shirts of the clubs mentioned may be doing so out of fashion

[@douglastaggart9360]

Everton are huge

[@grahampilkington252]

Where do you draw the line at a big club. Top 5 or 10 or 15 in the English League or European standards. I think they are next level to the elite. The best of the rest at European and English standards. Maybe a brighter future is in store. The potential is there.

[@bigfootballclubs]

Is this a poem? These videos are intended to demonstrate there is not one list of elite clubs, then next level clubs etc. The idea of whether or not a club is big is complex and depends on what people value. Clubs demonstrate their size in different ways, and we can see that Everton tick a lot of boxes. Some videos may show some clubs are very popular despite not winning much. Others, that some overachieve when compared to their fan-base. This video may be remade in poetic style

[@Alan-v7k9r]

They used to be a big club 30 years ago there fans are deluded Liverpool fc fans are in there heads 8 days a week

[@VINNYMAC.-tj4be]

got to admit many evertonians have an unhealthy obsession with liverpool , don't understand it myself.

[@Samw839]

I am biased but only United, Liverpool, Arsenal and maybe Villa are bigger than us. Don’t see what Chelsea and City have done to be impressive as any club in the world can buy success if they win the lottery. We have also been on the receiving end of 3 very unfortunate events which had they not have happened we almost certainly would have more major trophies (2 title winning sides being broken up by world wars and our best ever side not being allowed to prove they were the best in Europe due to the European ban)

[@bigfootballclubs]

Those events were very damaging. The idea about big clubs is that when they suffer such events they are able to make it back. Unfortunately, the climate in football has changed so that it is now hard to challenge those you rightly name. But with Everton there is always hope...

[@stevewright8204]

Everton are ginormous club,wherever you go in the world you will meet their fans,from a Charlton fan 👍

[@bigfootballclubs]

True. I saw a 10 year old boy in the middle of nowhere in Poland wearing an Everton shirt

[@ryannavickas2266]

Thing is, we're a big club, great history, loyal fan base, it's just that we don't act like a big club

[@iandempsey7417]

For years i have been irked at the whole big club, small cup rubbish, its not really about who is bigger than who, its about media luvvies, Spurs are always rated as a top club, but why ? if its about trophies, theres bigger clubs in the championship and league one, and what about Aston Villa and Forest, European champions, its not about stadiums, ( are you reading Newcastle fans ) its not about who has more fans, ( again, Newcastle, pay attention, ) so all i will say is, who honestly cares, its the media who decide, no fan of any club will ever agree, there are no guidelines or rules, its about who the media decide is flavour of the year, decade, century, to me, its kinda pathetic, dont worry about it.

[@bigfootballclubs]

The idea of these videos is indeed to give more understanding about football clubs over time. Media plays a massive role in shaping people's perceptions and a lot of people watching English football as younger viewers or from abroad might not know what impact clubs like Everton have had. All clubs should be respected but they are not all presented fairly.

[@blue1984]

Really good video. I'm an Evertonian. Hopefully with the new stadium and ownership the worm is turning. Hopefully. Clubs potential is massive.

[@bigfootballclubs]

Thank you. I think a lot of people want to see them back challenging

[@zapre2284]

One of the original big 5 clubs of England. Only united and liverpool are bigger clubs. Everyon are historically on par with the likes of Arsenal ..whonid also put above Everton due to how both clubs have been the past 40 years. I see Everyon like Villia...just waiting for the right ingredients ti make it happen.

[@jimmypostlethwaite]

at the start of the premier league , the bosses said we are not going to negotiate with all 22 clubs just send two big club chairman from big clubs one north one in south Philip carter Everton and David deign arsenal negotiated the deal in 1992 . ( enough said ) . Jimmy poss Liverpool

[@adamjones7835]

The big 6 then Everton, they’re huge

[@ifyouknowyourhistory7830]

So much depends on the criteria used to describe a club as big. If it's trophies (all time) then we are 8th so I guess top ten makes us big on that basis.

[@roddyscott9498]

Everton are the original BIG club.

[@bigfootballclubs]

Yes, it's the first club I actually looked into because their club size comes through so strongly even though they haven't been doing well for so long

[@DavePal-r1v]

They are one of the biggest ones bigger than you think

[@simonoakley5102]

Top 8 team for sure .just been going threw a rough patch .with new owner with higher goals they will be back in top 8 again

[@andy-wn1hq]

Theyv'e been overtaken by Chelsea and man city in the premier league era.

[@bigfootballclubs]

Is that really about club size though? Some might argue that those clubs have the resources gained from outside of football to look bigger than they really are.

[@Battismore-Blue]

@@bigfootballclubs Course they have

[@MartinMccrory-q1i]

They should have won 2 European cups in the 1980's only for English clubs being banned they are sleeping giants

[@VINNYMAC.-tj4be]

not sleeping they've been in a coma for yonks.

[@pleasemenowman]

Im 70 and when i was in school, there was 1 blue to every 5 reds and now its 1 for every 10

[@holytrinity955]

Where was that? Norway?

[@frankhornby6873]

.......yeah but as it says in THE BIBLE....1 Evertonian is worth 20 of the red sh*te....and it was also on one of the stone tablets that MOSES brought down from the mountain.....so it must be true...💙👍🏻UTFToffees!...

[@frankhornby6873]

@pleasemenowman.....wasn’t that school you were in approved?....

[@pleasemenowman]

Atalanta

[@pleasemenowman]

They may have been in the top flight the longest but don't have the trophies to show for it

[@bigfootballclubs]

You might have noticed that Everton have won 9 league titles and 5 FA Cups. That makes them one of the most successful in terms of trophies. Only Liverpool, ManU and Arsenal have been more successful domestically in terms of what the clubs themselves are able to achieve

[@pleasemenowman]

Yes and as I said the top two hasn't been in as long as Everton but won double

[@bowjana8128]

Yes they are

[@PhilipHipshaw]

I very much regret to say that, in football terms on the pitch, Everton can no longer be considered a big club. For anyone who doubts that view, the evidence particularly over the last 35 years is there for all to scrutinise. Fighting relegation on a continuous basis also, confirms my view. Sorry to upset blue fans, but there we are.

[@tomdoherty235]

Everton have only had two seasons in the last 25 years where relegation was fought due to the performances on the pitch (21/22 - 22/23). Last season was artificial due to the points deductions (and it still wasn't close in the end).

[@adamseymour9960]

Yes and yes.

[@shanehumphries5741]

Nope, what was the last thing they did? should be in the Championship, it’s only that the 3 promoted clubs are disgraceful, and the only reason they don’t drop down:

[@leewilliams1987]

Are you all together in the head? Did you not listen to a word he said? Just because we've not been performing does not mean we're not a big club. Go and play with crayons.

[@Victus_Mortuus]

You're a nugget

[@frankhornby6873]

@@Victus_Mortuus...that smells of sh!t...💩

[@pleasemenowman]

Everton have been involved jn the lowest premier league attendance and also the lowest ever attendance at home in a European game

[@binosince76]

The lowest ever attendance on Merseyside for a European game was at Anfield, it was LIverpool v Dundalk and had an attendance of 12000.

[@bigfootballclubs]

One statistic not available is away support, and it would be helpful to add more meaning to the idea of how popular a club is. The match you refer to was at Selhurst Park when Wimbledon were ground-sharing. Pretty awful yes, but not truly representative of Everton's fanbase. The stats we use go back all the way to the 1888-89 season so there's a lot more to it than the last 30 or so years.

[@DudeSilad]

They still have a large fanbase but it's dwindling. They are dying off and not being replaced enough by young kids. In the city, Liverpool shirts hugely outnumber Everton shirts. And unless you have success, you don't gain supports from outside of the city.

[@bluepeter1519]

Dwindling ?sold out every home game(prem) 20,000 or more on waiting list for season tickets ! Moving to a new stadium ,53000 capacity !😊

[@TheGiantKillers]

@@bluepeter1519 He's right though. throughout the 20th century, Merseyside was split pretty much 50/50 red to blue. But since the late 1990s, a definite gulf in support has appeared. In a survey of 11 year old Merseyside school children who claimed to support a football team in 2016. 68% said they were Liverpool fans, 22% said Everton and 10% said other clubs. Alas I speak as that increasingly rare a species, an out of town Evertonian. Whenever I visit Liverpool, it's got increasingly harder to find an Everton presence in the city centre. The airport souvenir shop gives just a tiny corner to blue. It's most noticeable on a matchday in the city centre. On a red home Saturday, the high number of out of town reds coming into the city centre hotels is noticeable at lunchtime. The Weatherspoons in the city centre is often a focal point, not to mention the huge busy Liverpool shop in the city centre and the numbers of red scarved fans killing time before making for the ground. On an Everton match Saturday, You would be forgiven for not knowing there was a match in town at all. At best you'll find half a dozen travelling blues in the weathys with hardly a blue scarfe on show in the city centre, and a trickle of people occasionally entering the city centre club shop. Checking into a hotel on Friday night before a game can be funny as the receptionist often gives a confused look. You can see them wondering why they don't have the usually number of football check ins until they realise you're here to watch Everton. Often they'll even say something like "Oh, Everton. Yeah, we had a couple of Everton fans here for a game a few months back." So rare is the attraction of blue beyond the immediate precincts of Goodison Park. So, sadly yes, Dudesilad is right. The once 50/50 split that was Merseyside is probably these days, much closer to 80/20 and only getting wider every year. Goodison park is today filled with more people over the age of 50 than under, while the demographic of where the fans come from gets smaller every year as the geographic appeal of the team gets smaller by the year.

[@DudeSilad]

@@bluepeter1519 You used to have 50k plus at Goodison every week. There's always tickets available. My old fella quite often gets a ticket. And you don't have 20k on the waiting list. Quite often they come up midway through the season when people give them up. You won't fill the new stadium. Unless it's against us.

[@bluepeter1519]

@@DudeSilad if it makes you happy mate you go on deluding your self,I just gave you the facts ( I sense a little jealousy over our shiny new stadium on the banks of the Royal blue Mersey) 😉

[@drwugong]

@@DudeSilad It's over 30k.

[@stanadams5541]

Everton and average to bad club,certainly not a big club !

[@loxism72]

Football was ruined by money. Most clubs now are successful thanks to foreign owners.

[@VINNYMAC.-tj4be]

well said sold our soul to the highest bidder.