Are Fans Taking The Chiefs & Refs Narrative Too Far? (Grossi Perna Show)

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Travis Kelce and Patrick Mahomes were trolled about the refs by a credentialed media member at Super Bowl Media Day leaving many fans asking if we are taking this narrative too far? Brandon Perna & Tom Grossi discuss NFL news, NFL players, and football.
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[@FARCRYFRY]

I find it interesting that Perna has videos about bad calls surrounding the chiefs, and he talks about how they affect the outcome of the game, but yet is wondering how this story line is getting so much attention.

[@tyrencrafton1814]

Lack of accountability??

[@ariici]

Everyone in his comments talk about the refs so obviously he would bring it up and is talking about it? Its not a lack of accountability lol

[@johnchedsey1306]

Did you know Perna leans into comedy in his videos and that's part of the act?

[@DeeBo-x4g]

It’s hilarious. Like, “hey we’re gonna wash our hands clean here. WE DIDN’T CONTRIBUTE to the mass conspiratorial hysteria!!!” These boys gotta own their part. They stoked the fires as much as everyone else out there on the Internet. And they loved it until players and coaches called them out during media week. And maybe Bradberry doesn’t say “yea, I HELD, and was hoping they wouldn’t call it”, next time.

[@billquantrill4960]

@@johnchedsey1306 Do you find it funny?

[@priest032003]

It's just amazing to me that people believe all the other owners in the league would just agree to not win and let the Chiefs win all the time

[@chessacousins2067]

Exactly

[@Bobbleheads56]

@@priest032003 do you think they care more about winning the big game, or the millions in cash they make?

[@TheRoyal30]

@@Bobbleheads56 The money they would make from selling their team-specific gear related to being conference championships and the Super Bowl. The other owners don't get an equal revenue split regarding stuff like that. If they were to rig it for a team, why would you not do it for a team like the Cowboys, Giants, Rams,Chargers, etc. Those markets are huge and would generate more money for the NFL if they were successful. At the very least the Cowboys would have actually made it to the NFC Championship game once in the last 25 years.

[@jacobsims8307]

I’m sure the browns, jets and bengals owners don’t care.

[@kilgoretrout3966]

You only seem concerned about this when the Chiefs are involved. Why don’t you compare their penalties since Mahomes with the remainder of the league.

[@bleddingmaster]

Also the NFL should NEVER of allowed legal betting it makes everything suspect

[@A_child_of_the_3_and_1-np8tm]

Super 3 was when it became fake

[@spaciouswheat4580]

Honestly I think that's interesting because that's the biggest reason why most people think it's suspect. I really think the game isn't rigged or scripted. But I can understand why it looks suspect

[@silicon77]

@bleddingmaster, Legal betting is not only applicable for NFL. It's applicable to other sports as well. Can we use your same logic and call such sports are suspected as well?

[@CLNCJD94]

That’s the thing though, if it was scripted for the Chiefs to win it would violate A TON of gambling laws in America and the NFL would be liable for it.

[@copperhead2694]

@@CLNCJD94b EXACTLY !! they risk losing EVERYTHING. And that would be far more then what they supposedly make form allegedly rigging the games. This is why all This is BS from toddler men , who can’t stand their team sucking compared to one that isn’t.

[@JasonWThompson]

Part of the narrative is because we don't scrutinize the calls that go the loser's way.

[@mandoreforger6999]

Exactly. It is survival bias. It is a well known statistical phenomenon, but journalists are selected among the literate, yet low IQ moronic class, we get fake news and clickbait as a result.

[@muskyoxes]

This is the post truth era. Conspiracies aren't jokes anymore. If you joke about a conspiracy, the millions who laugh with you aren't joking

[@johncbrown26]

Perna not thinking he is not part of the media and blaming others for the narrative spreading like it has is so laughable! He is one of the worst about it! Even in explaining his view on why it's happening, he is putting a spin on it acting like the calls that have been made only helps the Chiefs. The holding call in the last Eagles/Chiefs Super Bowl was a legit call, the catch by Worthy was a catch that both players had possession of and the rules have ALWAYS stated that the tie goes to the offense. And I don't want to hear about the ball hitting the ground, yes it did, but the ball didn't move, that's a catch! Not only this but he bitches about it every day, every week, in this show that gets millions of views! People doing that exact thing are the reason the people he is calling "the media" get ahold of the narrative and run with it, but he's acting like it's got nothing to do with him 🙄🤦🏻‍♂️ And I don't want to hear the bs narrative that I only think this because I'm a Chiefs fan... I am a GD Broncos fan, I have been since 1985, so F off with that 💩 ! I'm also a fan of the game of football and I have the ability to see things objectively, because I don't hate any other teams! I appreciated Brady and the Patriots during their run too, and laughed at the idiots spreading THIS SAME NARRATIVE when they were on top, because I'm a fan of good football who sees things objectively

[@kyletucker3811]

Okay pick me dude. I've seen the Chiefs get away with tossing DBs to the ground and having Defensive Holding called on the defender to nullify a Mahomes pick. Name me one other team that gets calls like that.

[@johncbrown26]

@ every team gets calls, good ones and bad. Try watching Josh Allen once in a while, then keep crying. How about in the Bills game when the Chiefs ran a full play, then Buffalo was allowed to challenge the Worthy catch, afterwards. Every. Game. Has. Bad. Calls

[@Rbbrdcky]

​@@johncbrown26 I've actually been wondering about that as well. How was that allowed??

[@johncbrown26]

@ obviously it's because the refs always favor KC, right? /s (obviously)

[@tyrencrafton1814]

​@@johncbrown26And nobody's talking about it

[@calebjensen9006]

The most obvious thing people ignore is that there’s always calls that go the other teams way too. In the Bills loss I can think of three obvious penalties that went the Bills way that resulted in stopping a Chiefs drive and extending a Bills drive that ended in 7 points. But since the Bills lost, the calls that went their way are brushed aside and we only focus on the half of the bad calls that went the Chiefs way (even though all the calls that went the Chiefs way were by the rules even if you disagree with the rules).

[@MuzicWatch]

Bills definitely benefited from a few no calls! Nobody talks about this.

[@connormclennan535]

Not just extended drives, they got a td on a non called false start. Everyone says the chiefs penalties change the "momentum" of the game, meanwhile there is no play that effects the outcome of a game more than a td on a play that shouldn't have counted.

[@93ophr3ak]

Pretty sure we watched the only callable hip drop tackle all season get ignored but I'm just a viewer🫡

[@wisewolftony]

They could have just also clearly picked up that first down on the 4 and short instead of basically getting stuffed and then having the refs who in that sea of bodies can't really tell where the ball is or if he made it or not. Clearly pick up that first down and the refs are gonna give it to you. They aren't gonna rule it short because they want the Chiefs to win. If they wanted to rig the game they wouldn't have given the Bills another drive with the chance to tie or win the game. Instead they folded and went 3 and out. But then still had a shot to get the ball back for another chance and yet on like a 3rd and 9 they just completely forget to cover the RB who despite catching the ball at like the line of scrimmage still easily picked up the 9 yards to ice the game. Honestly feel like the only people who think it's rigged are fans of teams who lose to the Chiefs and Chief haters both of whom have a huge bias. Me on the other hand I don't like the Chiefs at all but don't have a hate boner for them. As my opinion is if my team isn't winning the SB then IDC who the fuck wins as long as it's not a division rival so unless it's the Bills, Jets or Patriots then IDC who wins Chiefs can win the next 10 straight and I still wouldn't hate them just would dislike them as much as I dislike every other team in the league that isn't in the AFC East.

[@danski5760]

I remember the Matt Cassel days (2-14, 4-12) We waited our turn

[@Suraht]

The Matt Cassel/Brodie Croyle era. Watching Joe Montana fail to win big games, and just Marty Schottenheimer in general being as snakebit in the playoffs as you can get. Drafting Todd Blackledge with Jim Kelley and Dan Marino still on the board. We paid the dues for a half century.

[@Chiefbird007]

@@Surahtyeah. I’m gonna enjoy this while it lasts, I’m not looking forward to when we are as bad as the patriots

[@hungryhungryhobo196]

So if you guys get the 3peat you ok getting bumped in the division round the next 5 years to let other teams have some glory?

[@tomscox-yt6rb]

​@@hungryhungryhobo196 NOPE! Coach better. Play better.

[@danski5760]

@@hungryhungryhobo196 Nope lol jk prolly

[@cerrytrews9141]

Perna being the type of guy that would find the "Mahomes favorite ref" question funny is a little tooooo on the nose lmaoooooo

[@JayDee247365]

The Eagles game argument is such a bad one for three reasons. 1) They missed that same call earlier in the game on the same two players (Bradberry clearly held JuJu that even the announcers mentioned it), but we're only focusing on the correct call made later in the game. 2) Bradberry himself admitted it was a hold and even stated he did it again because he got away with it the first time. 3) Had the Eagles just let JuJu score on that play instead of held, they would've had over 1:30 left with a timeout. We know this because, on the very next play after the penalty, they were gonna let McKinnon score. They screwed themselves twice.

[@qhillis]

It didn't help the TV didn't show the very clear angle of the hold when it happened live, so most people made up their minds without ever seeing the clear penalty.

[@billykorando]

@@qhillisdidn’t help Greg Olsen went completely nuts as well.

[@iiRolltide]

@@qhillisthis is the biggest thing to me. The video on KZbin that shows the correct angle only has like 3 mil views whereas probably 200mil people watched that superbowl so hardly anyone saw Bradbury get a fistful of jersey on a receiver in the middle of him breaking on his route. That should be called everytime.

[@BeepBeep1981]

4) And the Chiefs got a second fumble/TD wiped off the scoreboard. The Eagles back caught the ball with two hands, two feet down, hop stepped and turned his hips/torso up field, got blown up by Nick Bolton, scoop, score... Called a fumble/TD in realtime. Then it somehow got overturned after a review? NOBODY talks about this.

[@PanicDonut86]

Facts

[@acts5399]

“Chiefs get calls in the playoffs” as does everyone else people are just looking at it through a microscope when it’s the chiefs

[@jasoncain9602]

All calls against the chiefs in the playoffs = totally legit and no effect on the game, Any call benefiting the chiefs = A TERRIBLE RIGGED CALL THAT CHANGES THE GAME

[@SynbaddYT]

@@jasoncain9602istg Chris jones is held on like 75% of snaps and George kittle gets face masked all the time with no calls, but if it doesn’t massively effect the play it isn’t called. People take screenshots and moments of the other teams not getting calls, but you could do the exact same thing for the chiefs and find just as many missed calls that would’ve benefited KC. Everyone just hates us so people only want to support things that plug into their narrative. The amount of stats that point to the contrary of the “refs helping the chiefs” narrative is plentiful

[@jasoncain9602]

@@SynbaddYT exactly

[@TheBlasor]

I think we should make the games eight hours long, review every play until everyone who is watching is satisfied. I believe this would make increase ratings.

[@awturbosp]

Exactly! And everyone wants them to “let them play” and get pissed if the refs dictate the games with flags. Then in the same breath they complain if they don’t flag the Chiefs.

[@saintrocketIX]

If the NFL were rigging seasons, the Cowboys would've won SOMETHING in the last 30 years, and the Giants would at least be competitive.

[@wickedsickfunkyfreshroller2037]

The Chiefs have a much larger fan base than those teams. More than half of all NFL viewers are Chiefs fans. They are by far the biggest market.

[@fortniteburger8747]

@@wickedsickfunkyfreshroller2037only like the past 2 years. What about the other 28?

[@fairwarning007]

@@wickedsickfunkyfreshroller2037dafuq did you pull this info from?

[@ryanbateman3691]

@@wickedsickfunkyfreshroller2037buddy the cowboys and giants fanbases dwarf the chiefs. KC is like the 10th smallest market

[@sascha_maxine]

@@wickedsickfunkyfreshroller2037 oh we spreading fake stats again?

[@myfosters3529]

The problem is that the missed or bad calls on whoever plays the Chiefs, are not shown over and over again. It has become so one sided that it is ridiculous.

[@K-Y-4uRBooBoo]

Agreed. In the AFCCG, Romo and Nance asked their booth official about every single call that went the Chiefs way. "What do you think? Good call?" Never asked about the other way and Romo sort of glossed over the missed face mask penalty that was shown when they thought they were just showing the replay to be sure where our player went out of bounds. "OH (heh heh heh) looks like he MiGhT have gotten away with a little face mask there (heh heh heh)"

[@scottdickson1473]

Seems like it's the people who don't really follow the NFL are the loudest ones saying it's RIGGED.

[@ChiefGore429]

All of those other billionaire owners would totally let that slide. "We're letting the chiefs win" 31 power hungry billionaires: "ok"

[@JumboJabs]

​@@ChiefGore429 I keep seeing this dumb take in the comments. First: What makes you think the NFL need the other 31 teams to 'agree'? Also, if the Chiefs do the well, the NFL does well. The NFL is ALL 32 teams. Rising tide raises all ship. KC is now the most watched team and it's not even by football fans. More eyes, more money. I also put it like this, Lebron will get more fouls than some average guy in the NBA. He will also get less against him since the want him in the game. They get special privileges. Easy to see when there were 3 roughing the passer calls 2 weeks ago and 2 were on Mahomes.

[@threetoadsloth]

​@@JumboJabscope harder

[@JumboJabs]

@@threetoadsloth way to add to the conversation 👍

[@FlailofFury]

@@threetoadsloth Someone makes an argument defeating the strawman, better yell cope harder. I guess you are really the one coping.

[@luke-i1w]

Conspiracy theorist will watch this and think Tom and Brandon are now in on it.

[@pineapple3798]

I mean it’s not crazy; all the KZbinrs that are sponsered by the NFL getting this upset. It’s like you just told them wrestling is fake and they’re so dimissive. I don’t think it’s real but I wouldn’t even pay any mind to if because I think i think it’s nonsense. I would stop giving it attention

[@wickedsickfunkyfreshroller2037]

Most of these guys' salaries are paid by gambling sites which are controlled by the NFL, so they very well could be in on it. I doubt it though, I'm sure it's just the NFL execs and a few ref teams.

[@pineapple3798]

@ yeah exactly. Like I don’t think it’s crazy to assume this. Like we don’t know you people. I dont think it’s true but the fact their like “don’t think about that at all” is def a bruh moment Like every person on the internet hides something and then becomes some sort of scandal

[@fairwarning007]

There are people who still think the plane crash in Philly was a missile, despite all evidence to the contrary. Way too many schizoids on the internet.

[@fairwarning007]

Way too many schizos on the internet.

[@craigday2850]

3:30 on the clock, ball in your hands with timeouts, and your team was simply not good enough to go to the superbowl.

[@robogreek3157]

Not the point... 22-21. Buffalo all the momentume... first down on 3rd down... first down on 4th down ball moved back.... chiefs long return... 4 blocks in the back....no call.... worthy most certainly did not catch that ball... Buffalo could of been up 29-17 with less pressure... also in 3 superbowl wins. The chiefs have NO HOLDING penalties. that's impossible... guys accidentally grab. The eagles superbowl... that eagles player tugged the jersey for a second and that ball was a mile out of bounds. Notice how they never miss penalties against the chief opponents ...but no 50 50 calls ever go against the chiefs

[@craigday2850]

@robogreek3157 really? The League MVP has the ball in his hands with timeouts with 3 minutes and 30 seconds left and you can't expect them to score?

[@nitoduzit]

Anyone remember the refs threatened Arrowhead for crowd noise on Elways command?

[@jinxedchef]

That was in '89 or '90 when it was a rule on the books where the home team could be given a penalty for too much noise. It isn't as though the refs made it up for Elway right on the spot.

[@nitoduzit]

@ Didn’t say any of that. Just thought it was funny seeing Elway cry. My comment was more about Elway. 🤣 No need to get defensive buttercup.😢😂

[@DakotaTheRota]

@@nitoduzit You sound defensive yourself buttercup

[@donlim9247]

@@nitoduzit I think you're projecting. You should have taken it further and said nothing at all. This video is about the refs. I don't know why you're commenting more about Elway.

[@nitoduzit]

@ Damn! I didnt mean to hurt so many feelings. I was just saying. Calm down Chi3f. Lol You guys are so tender.

[@Jidarious]

All the Chiefs would have to do to not get these accusations is one of two things, either A: Only play in games where the refs never make a bad call or B: Not win so much. I don't know why they don't just fix this to put a stop to it. /s

[@Collgam73_YT]

This literally happened the middle to end of this season. Not a single game did the chiefs get a controversial call in there favor but people were still complaining about the refs bringing up weeks 1-2. Even though it was week 14. And since they couldn’t bring up a single call the narrative briefly shifted to the Chiefs aren’t very good and they are the luckiest team of all time. That was the narrative for like 10 weeks this season. Then when playoffs finally rolled around the narrative can’t be they aren’t good anymore because there winning playoff games so it shifted back to the league is rigged. Because there was 4 controversial calls in 2 games combined and none of them were even that bad just close and there was 3-4 that also went against the chiefs that were controversial but no one talks about that because it hurts there narrative

[@teetoeda3637]

@@Jidarious the chiefs do get bad calls but it doesn’t fit ppl narrative so they forget all about it

[@tyrencrafton1814]

​@@Collgam73_YT They shift the narrative all the time it's ridiculous

[@DSPHistoricalSociety]

😂🤣

[@travelswithbenny3328]

😂😂😂😂

[@jvc8947]

The broadcasters need to know the rules and explain them. For instance …the ball can touch the ground if it doesn’t move or the whole dead foul/false start/ illegal shift/illegal formation. They should also tell the audience that preference goes to the offense when both have hands on a catch. They need to explain that roughing the passer and unesseccary roughness favors the WB and any contact. They should be doing this instead of complaining about calls over and over.

[@silicon77]

Troy Aikman and Tony Romo started it..

[@deusvult7546]

They wouldn't need to explain if we had competent refs.

[@SouthernPioneer1965]

@@deusvult7546 bulls shit .. they did explain it , but no one cares to listen . The facts are hurting your feelings . 😢 lol

[@RCKennington]

How about we just don't listen to annoucers trying to be as knowledgeable officials and do what Rugby does and have the audio of the officials discussion along with a overlay on the screen of the footage they are reviewing. That way a nuanced situation does not get spun out of hand by announcers and spectators with a bias.

[@SouthernPioneer1965]

@@RCKennington why do we need all that ? I’ve been watching football for 5 decades . Yah know what we did with bad calls , we got over it ! Moved onto next Sunday next game . We didn’t sit and spew in the BS and cry about it like toddlers . The game doesn’t need to change, only the ignorant whiners who watch it and cry on social media do .

[@legsbenedict17]

Perna is a perfect example of why this narrative has such legs. Bradberry said after the game he held Juju, he apologised for it, but that admission of the penalty doesn't matter because Perna thought it was a bad call.

[@clintsvzn-lw4ys]

Like what Tom said, if every holding call/catch was called, literally the game would be 4-5 hours of just reviewing plays. But in todays climate of NFL fans, it seems like it might go that way

[@jamesjoseph1249]

Everyone gets iffy calls for and against them. Good teams move past the calls that don't go their way and get the job done anyway. Bad teams focus on the calls and fail to move forward. Simple as that. Fans have always bitched about calls...that's to be expected. The media focuses on this now because the "journalists" today simply look at social media for what to write and that's an idiotic way to talk about anything.

[@joshuacole6543]

the Chiefs also are in a ton of primetime games AND they have people combing through their film looking for evidence of a conspiracy. if an iffy or outright bad call happens in Jags/Titans in the 1PM slot, no one gives a fuck. similarly, no one is watching every single snap of the Browns OL to look for evidence of missed holds. but people do so with the Chiefs, and convince themselves that the bad reffing is unique to KC and done intentionally to help them. its gotten to a point where i think people are losing their minds about it. i see people claim that the Ossai hit in the 2022 AFCCG was a "bailout" or that the DPI in the Chiefs/Bengals game this year was a controversial call. its gone from "the Chiefs seem get beneficial calls in high leverage moments" to basically, no penalty is ever allowed to help the Chiefs, ever, and if it does, it's evidence that the refs are in the tank for the Chiefs. no calls that go against the Chiefs are even discussed. you cant even talk about the Chiefs anymore without people just making it a conversation about the reffing. which given that just about every single argument in favor of the idea can be debunked by stats, is very exhausting.

[@killjoy1887]

@@joshuacole6543 It doesn't help that most of the time a 50/50 call is gonna go the home teams way and guess where the Chiefs spent the entire post season, but I have a serious problem with the bitching about the two Texas calls in that repeat offenders never get the benefit of the doubt and Texas was straight up busted and fined for trying to kill a qb earlier in the season along with one of their player getting a 3 week unpaid vacation and every ref team in the league got that memo from the head office

[@earbitter]

For me it’s the hypocrisy of the people blaming the refs that’s most annoying. Saying they should be more objective is an inherently subjective viewpoint to have given the replays we have. The roughing the passer against Houston was, by the definition of the rule, roughing the passer. The helmets do connect (top of defenders to Mahomes’ facemask), but when you point that out people complain that the hit wasn’t hard enough to constitute a penalty. If that’s the case, then they are saying that the refs should ignore the rule and subjectively approach the call, which is the thing they are already accusing the refs of doing. Nearly every single “controversial” call has been this way. Worthy catch while tangled up with the other guy and the ball hits the ground? By the rules, because the ball didn’t move it’s considered a catch and a tie goes to the offense. Josh Allen 4th down? The camera angle where we can see the ball is obstructed by Chris Jones’ body, thus there is no conclusive evidence the ball crossed the line. I think Josh got the first down. Based on where he held the body against himself and where his head got to, one would logically say he got it, but the rules were followed per the review. It’s time people live up to their own expectations and stop spouting their hypocritical bull shit. Instead of complaining about the refs, try complaining to your own teams for putting up such miserable performances for years. GoPackGo

[@luke-i1w]

Be careful with all that common sense in here. The tin foil hat people are gonna say you're in on it. How much is Fan Duel paying you to post this? /s

[@wel0219]

Bro literally mahomes was a runner and held the ball too long and slid late. it’s not hypocrisy it’s the refs punishing the defender. Yes the chiefs made it and are a good team but my god why are u guys defending these calls

[@earbitter]

@@wel0219 Because by the letter of the rules, they are being called correctly. You're right in that it was a play where clearly Mahomes slide late to draw the penalty. Did the defenders blow each other up more than Mahomes? Yes. Did both of them make contact with Mahomes helmet? Also yes (one's hand hit his helmet and the other's forearm hit it). To ignore the fact that they did that would be declaring that you think the refs should ignore the rules of the game to penalize the Chiefs, which is exactly what everyone is accusing the refs of doing but against Chiefs opponents. It is the exact definition of hypocrisy. Just look at the Jags/Houston game. Trevor Lawrence also slid late and nobody thought it was a bad call. So is it only bad if the hit is hard enough? Only against a winning team? Again, now you're getting into a subjective viewpoint, which everyone will disagree on, instead of sticking to the rules as they are laid out. To not defend the calls when they align with the rules of the game is to invite utter chaos into the play calling of every single game throughout the season. People just need to own up to the fact that their own wishes won't always be fulfilled. People hate the Chiefs now, that's fine, they have every right to. But to complain about accurate play calling, supported by post call reviews, is childish.

[@wel0219]

@@earbitter if ur talking about the first roughing the passer in the Houston game that’s a fine call but if ur referring to the second one where literally two Texan defenders head butt each other because they tried to get mahomes, then it shouldn’t be hard for u to agree that call was ridiculous. And I’m not just against the chiefs, I think ref calls in any game that is horrendous ruin the fun of the game. Corrupt ref calls like the Seahawks and Green Bay Hail Mary “touchdown” or the Saints Rams blatant roughing the pass call. Be real man, okay letter of the rules sure it’s valid but that’s just being technical, if a fan can see the obviousness of a catch or no catch then screw the technicalities in the rule book. The game shouldn’t be broken down to a scientific analysis of what is a catch or not. Mahomes slid late don’t call the damn flag and he wasn’t even hit.

[@earbitter]

@@wel0219 Okay I'll answer your two points. First, both Texans defenders did hit Mahomes. I already pointed out that one hit his helmet with his hand and the other his forearm, both of which would constitute unnecessary roughness on a sliding player. This is not a debatable point, we can slow the video down frame by frame and watch it. It doesn't matter that the defenders blew each other up more than the QB, they still hit the QB who was in a slide. Yes, Mahomes in that case is taking advantage of the rules protecting sliding QB's, but the right answer then is to change the rule if it is unfair or not balanced, not ignore it at random. Second, I agree with you that poor ref performance suuuuucks and is probably the single hardest thing about watching the NFL, but to say we shouldn't break down the game by it's literal rules is advocating for a system where refs could literally make calls based on their preference, which is exactly what everyone is currently accusing them of doing. You are advocating for the very thing people are shitting on the refs for. Rules provide structure and a functioning game. If I took out a monopoly board and just scooped up whatever property I wanted regardless of where I was on the board, that wouldn't make for a cohesive or fair game. It would just be chaos. We need rules to govern what players can and can't do, both for the protection of players health, but also for the consistent and accurate calling of plays so that people can understand why things are the way they are. Otherwise we all just have our own preference as to how it plays out (which is a lot of what we are seeing now because people would prefer to ignore the rules over their own opinion of what should or shouldn't be a call, causing this whole discourse). Don't get me wrong, I don't think QB's should be able to slide late. If you run the ball, I think you become a runner and should be treated as such, but rules as stands are the way they are to protect the QB because without good QB play most games would be awful. On a side note about the Rams/Saints game you mentioned, something that has never made sense to me is how some plays can't be reviewed. I'm with you in that clearly there are times the refs are wrong, but typically a review can clear it up. My only guess as to why you couldn't challenge a no call would be that literally any scoring play could be overturned because literally every play has holding and no one would ever score again, lols

[@No1JohnWayneFan]

Perna needs to explain all the favorable calls the Broncos got in the 97,98 & 15 playoffs. And the time Red Cashion changed the spot of the ball at John Elway's insistence.

[@nathanstelts5357]

One thing that never gets talked about is how absurdly complicated football is to play and officiate. No human being is capable of officiating a perfect game at NFL speed, and the rules as written are too vague for 100% consistency. The only way to fix a lot of these issues is to completely rethink how the game functions, simplifying it on a fundamental level Secondly, the idea that the chiefs were handpicked to keep winning by the NFL is absurd. How does the success of this tiny market in the Midwest expand the NFL as a brand and get more people paying attention? If the league really cared, it would be the Cowboys/NY/LA teams in the Super Bowl each year and there would be no salary cap.

[@wel0219]

Oh please how hard is is to gauge whether two ppl holding the ball at the same time while it hits the ground is a catch? Or seeing a qb nudge enough for the 1st down in a qb sneak and being unable to give them the first? Or to see where a receiver lands and marking them a yard shorter then where the ball ended up?

[@QuanCena220]

@@wel0219are you serious? First of all, you have never been a ref. Reffing even kids sports is hard af. The worthy catch was contested and the receivers had simultaneous possession on the way down. Hitting the ground doesn’t matter if the ball doesn’t move.

[@bookman7409]

@@wel0219 How hard is it? Well, considering they have to make calls in real time, without multiple camera views, slow-mo, and zoom, I'd say that it's massively more difficult than watching on TV, where you have no stress, all the cam replays, and minutes of time to consider each play in detail. So you've concluded that what's "obvious" (in your biased mind) should be easily obvious to the folks that are right down on the field using only their eyes. From Dilbert: PHB "Anything I don't understand must be easy." Congratulations on your promotion, Boss.

[@wel0219]

@@bookman7409 I see ur points but fellas , the man had one hand on the floor while the other was wrapped with a bills cornerback trying to intercept the ball and the ball hit the grass. The play was reviewed so u can’t even argue that it was all on real time when making the official call. Why would u call that a catch. The qb sneak , sure players are everywhere fine let’s not give it to the bills.But the play before that. All u have to do as a ref is see where the bills receiver drop with the ball and place it there. The ref clearly places the ball a yard back. I just disagree but to each their own

[@bookman7409]

@ Nope, not gonna let you shift those goalposts, Boss. You clearly don't understand what's happening on the field, and since you brought in that Worthy reception, you don't have a good understanding of the rules, either. That lack of understanding's what makes you the PHB here, along with talking like I argued that any of those calls were correct or not. You asked how hard can it be, and I gave you a short list of things you have that can be used to cook up your narrative using hindsight. So you're right, we disagree, with you insisting that the refs have it as easy as you do, and me saying that they don't. The rest of the stuff you said's just repeating your narrative.

[@doctorscrubb2538]

Its crazy that a division rival fan is out here defending the chiefs and saying the whole "the refs" thing is a load of BS lol

[@JayrodTremonki]

Perna is kind of talking out of both sides of his mouth. He uses the Xavier Worthy catch as an example of something that they obviously got wrong...but they reviewed it and at no point have they said it was the wrong call. It's a bizarre once every 3 seasons type of play where possession and catch are two very different things by the rules. But using it as an example of something they clearly got wrong is disengenuous. Its being mad at the result, not the ref getting something wrong.

[@goldenageofdinosaurs7192]

That’s why I’ve been getting annoyed with him lately. He’s unable to talk about the chiefs without letting his bias color everything. I had no problem when he used to take good natured shots at the team, but the lady couple/few months, it’s like watching when Joe Rogan went off the deep end. Tom bugs me with all his ‘ref, flag’ stuff in his scripted series, but it’s more in fun & he’s far better at not showing bias when talking sports on GPS and when streaming games.

[@ltaylor2799]

Rich Eisen dragged “media day” and said all you need is to pass a simple background check and show breath on a mirror and you get credentials 😂 you guys should go next year, at least one or two intelligent questions will get asked

[@c0mf0rta61ynum6]

I will say Rich Eisen is probably my favorite football talk show host. If only because he doesn't work for ESPN or Fox Sports.

[@erinbibb]

​@@c0mf0rta61ynum6I agree with you. He's pretty much the only one I can tolerate. Well, him and Nick Wright. Who's a bit biased for KC, but that's alright with me.

[@c0mf0rta61ynum6]

@ Oh, gross. Nick Wrong is probably the football talk show host I hate more than any of them.

[@drunkmonk5069]

I'm a long time chiefs fan and I appreciate these comments. Thanks for taking the time to talk about these situations. Cheers

[@awturbosp]

Perna “guys like us were joking about it.” And in the same breath “it goes back to the first Eagles Chiefs Super Bowl.” Prime example of propagating this stupid narrative. The hold was totally a hold in that game too, but people with microphones just keep regurgitating the same untruths because their bias didn’t want it to happen.

[@c0mf0rta61ynum6]

That hold was really so controversial because it was such a ticky-tacky hold. If that play gets called, then one would expect that to be called on a consistent basis. That is where the problem lies.

[@triplelife5147]

@@c0mf0rta61ynum6 It wasn't ticky-tack at all. The replay they showed during the game didn't show the obvious jersey pull. It was a textbook defensive hold.

[@goldenageofdinosaurs7192]

@@c0mf0rta61ynum6Have you ever seen the actual hold, or just what the TV showed that day? Also, Bradberry got away with pretty clear PI that broke up what would’ve been a 3rd down conversion earlier in the game. So it actually evened out over the course of the game. The chiefs lost a trip to the Super Bowl in 2018 on 2 ticky tack calls…A roughing the passer when Chris Jones hit Brady’s shoulder pads & an offsides with 1:50 left on a game winning interception, cause Dee Ford’s hand was 6-8 inches over the line. Now, that is less egregious to me than pulling a jersey of a receiver, but I didn’t have a problem with any of those calls. I was mad at the guy who made the penalty, not the refs for calling them. You’re saying that, if Bradberry had been holding all night, he should get to hold at the most important part of the game as well. I don’t agree with that. If he got away with a bunch of holds, you should be mad that he was holding, not that the ref called a clear penalty, one Bradberry admitted to & said ‘I was hoping they’d let it go.’ That’s what every player that commits a penalty thinks, lol. And, had Greg Olsen not pitched a fit, like he had a bunch of money riding on the game, you probably wouldn’t have thought about that call for more than an 5 minutes, tops.

[@andynorck2389]

I don't get the cries. If this one is rigged for KC it means all SB's are. So the real problem wouldn't even be KC anyways.

[@ZJBorg]

Kinda funny how no one mentions all the calls from their playoff run last year when they won in Buffalo and Baltimore. It’s almost like home teams tend to get the benefit of the calls….

[@The1Goby]

As a Pats fan, it's been a lovely little gift seeing so many retroactive, "Maybe New England wasn't that bad." takes floating around. Meanwhile, I still remember all the cheating accusations, the talks about DeflateGate, and complaints of ref favoritism. The more things change, the more they stay the same

[@Bobbleheads56]

@@The1Goby ye they cheated too it was always rigged its just easier to see now with social media

[@slimischillin7753]

Along with the cheating scandals, the patriots also had a player who was literally deleting people at one point

[@reviewer0418]

"accusations" LMAO

[@derektorres9275]

You still cheated with Spy Gate

[@Jidarious]

Huge difference between the two situations. The Chiefs are just getting some bullshit conspiracy theories from tinfoil hat wearing idiots. The Patriots were found guilty on two separate occasions and sanctioned by the NFL.

[@lazeruslaz5724]

Perna thinking he is innocent of it all is the most humorous content he has put out in a long time.

[@michaelabbott7890]

I love the worthy catch debate. They said it wouldn't make a difference because there was a penalty on the play anyway. That's where they are wrong. If that's not a catch then the defensive holding stands. The chiefs probably take another minute extra to score therefore eliminating the bills end of half touchdown making it 21-10 at halftime making it likely that the bad spot doesn't matter.

[@dabbingtoast7743]

Surely it's not because *WE DON'T STOP TALKING ABOUT IT CONSTANTLY.* I was a Jags fan. I suffered through the abysmally one sided officiating that was the 2018 AFC Championship. A game that, if Blake Bortles wasn't one of the worst QBs to ever throw a football, the Jaguars probably still would have won. *BARELY ANY* of the post game coverage was people whining about the refs and yet that is all I hear anytime I try and watch anything covering anything related to Kansas City. We watch bad no calls or non-existent penalties for 18 weeks and now the NFL is rigged because no one remembers that the refs still suck at their jobs. It's like we've let the worst parts of online sports discourse permeate into actual NFL content jfc.

[@randomguy354-44]

Here are a couple of facts you can look up for yourself: KC was 17th in % of scoring drives that were aided by a penalty for a first down. Buffalo was #1 with 33% of their scoring drives being aided by penalty for a first down. 86 drives. Buffalo complained about losing to KC in OT because they didn't get the ball. The NFL CHANGED THE RULES to ensure one possession by each team. KC lost to New England in OT and never touched the ball and simply said "Those are the rules". The defensive holding penalty vs the Eagles in the 4th quarter Super Bowl was blatantly obvious. So much so they could have called holding TWICE! CB James Bradberry, the Eagles d-back, said and I quote "It was a holding. I tugged his jersey. I was hoping they would let it slide." So tell me where in all of this the Chiefs are being helped out? And Grossi knows that MVS was clearly interfered with on a play that wasn't called at the end of the game last season vs the Packers. Josh Allen averages 0.311 Roughing The Passer flags per game. Mahomes averages 0.237. Please inform me of who the NFL is trying to legitimize?

[@trainspotter360]

Those stats pulled from your ass are misleading as hell. It’s not Bills fans complaining, it’s everyone who watches the games with eyes and a brain. The chiefs get all the calls and I don’t know why, but they definitely do.

[@humantwist-offcap9514]

The NFLs incentive to rig would be to allow every fanbase’s team to compete in the playoffs, and get to the SB within a reasonable timeframe. It would make so much money.

[@mjjoe76]

Bingo. Every team would have at least been to the Super Bowl by now.

[@FlailofFury]

The Taylor swift connection with the Chiefs makes them more money than most teams winning the superbowl would.

[@nathancatrey2992]

@@FlailofFury except they got good and made it to superbowls before taylor swift? at that point the chiefs were a TINY fanbase

[@JayRedmond-s1q]

​@FlailofFury the NFL could care less which teams are even playing. They make a like a billion dollars a year just for the superbowl each year, Taylor Swift has brought the NFL like 400 million over the last 2 years combined.

[@nathancatrey2992]

@@JayRedmond-s1q the nfl would make significantly more if the bills, lions, commanders, or ravens made it, even the packers.

[@dontpanic9931]

5:42 Absolutley agree, I'm a Chiefs fan and really a lot of complaints about the refs feel like people just coping with the Chiefs winning all the time.

[@spectralnighttravel]

Except without those ref calls, you lose most of those one-score games. You could have easily been a 10-7 team losing in the wildcard round.

[@JerBear_89]

There’s no argument about the Worthy catch. Possession was clearly made because when the ball touched the ground it did not move. The ground did not aid in gaining possession nor did it affect possession. Simultaneous possession, which happened here, goes to the offensive player. Look back to the 2012 Seahawks/Packers game for an example.

[@robogreek3157]

The man had one hand on the football... the bills player had 2. If you think that was a catch you are a moron

[@MrDhollaballa]

The defender literally had both hands on the ball before worthy touched it.

[@mjjoe76]

A rigged league would want to maximize interest, so every team would have a Super Bowl appearance. And teams in the biggest markets would always be contenders.

[@donskwarlo6952]

I’ll be honest - I almost turned this off after a couple minutes but I’m really glad I stuck with it. Your analysis is the most well thought out, succinct, and professional take I’ve heard on this topic. Bravo - I enjoy your channel, keep up the great work!

[@AFO666]

Hey guys lets take a lot of suspicious sports betting sponsorships because professional sports and gambling have never gone wrong :D

[@sentinel7423]

I'm a chiefs fan and yeah it sucks just hearing my team slandered every day all the time, it was funny for a bit but it just never stops, yall gotta understand we dont make the calls, neither does our team but yall dont care if the Bills or the Ravens get calls but when the Chiefs have it happen its just whining all over the internet its both ridiculous and childish atp. My feelings arent even hurt, yall just exhaust me with it

[@wickedsickfunkyfreshroller2037]

You don't make the calls, but you do root for a team that doesn't deserve to be in the position they're in.

[@legitdragon6202]

​@wickedsickfunkyfreshroller2037 please tell us who 'deserves' it more than them - this ought to be funny 😂. Other teams need a bunch of 'it's the refs!!!' bs to give other teams hypothetical/ Imaginary victories because they don't handle their business in key moments.

[@silicon77]

@wickedsickfunkyfreshroller2037, deserve? Chiefs are back to back Champs jimbo.. Nothing is deserved in NFL. It's earned.

[@sascha_maxine]

@@wickedsickfunkyfreshroller2037 we talking about "deserving" in the league that allows deshaun diddy watson to get the highest FULLY GUARANTEED contract of all time? the league that bullied out kaepernick but lets people kill, rob, r4pe and be publicly racist, sexist, queerphobic and in all other ways an idiot? The same league that suspended players for a full season for betting issues? you hate them because theyre succesful, i hate them for the clowns they have on roster but saying they "dont deserve" that is insane, there is not one team in this league that deserves it more than them or less.

[@sentinel7423]

@@wickedsickfunkyfreshroller2037 you're exactly who I'm talking about, who deserves it? Yeah Josh Allen but who actually won the games? Just get over it, life isn't fair

[@JamesKennedy-t9h]

You people insult the sport itself with these silly conspiracies that do nothing more than act as a soothing agent for your butthurtedness, because of your teams inability to win Championships. You're absolutely gaslighting yourselves.

[@Hubbzy_wubbzy]

Whether they feel it’s rigged or not. They have to take this position and discredit the “conspiracy” side. They’re doing this to protect their careers, they need the NFL to be organic and fun to watch, if it’s not people will stop watching the NFL and in turn stop watching them. It’s not their fault and you can’t blame them for running cover for the NFL but their opinions should hold no value to yours

[@snowman9642]

Chiefs vs Bengals as well, 3 and 9 redo play was crazy.

[@robogreek3157]

That's when it all started

[@JordanLangat]

Oh my god Perna please move on from the Worthy catch coz that was correct and ultimately beneficial for the Bills

[@wickedsickfunkyfreshroller2037]

No it wasn't? I don't understand how you guys are saying this, we have VIDEO EVIDENCE that it wasn't a catch.

[@JordanLangat]

@@wickedsickfunkyfreshroller2037 I've wanted to discuss this with someone with an opposing view. Please be civil. Why do you believe it wasn't a catch?

[@wickedsickfunkyfreshroller2037]

@@JordanLangat The receiver did not have what qualifies as control of the ball when the ball hit the ground.

[@cobaltskiie5660]

​@wickedsickfunkyfreshroller2037 present your evidence and we will have a discussion on how you are wrong. 😂

[@JordanLangat]

@ Would you agree that for it to be called a catch, the ball should be pinned between the hand/arm and a body part, and maintain control even when hitting the ground?

[@Nater_V]

So I think Rich Eisen said it best where we can't slow the game down so much and call EVERY penalty. The game would be unwatchable if they call every single thing that happens. You even said everyone is trying to get away with holds. I think officiating could always get better, but they also can't just make a 30 penalty game the standard. We already hate it when there is 15

[@POB_.963]

What bothers me the most is I know plenty of of chiefs fans who flat out deny that they get any favorable calls whatsoever. That’s extremely annoying to me

[@scottw2487]

In fairness, Tom and Brandon both fed into the narrative.

[@DSW246]

I love how both of you have helped expand the narritive that Refs help the chiefs and now make a video on how refs are bad and maybe not for the chiefs.

[@imachristiandad]

FBI and IRS need to investigate every ref.

[@a-ron-s3396]

There was a flag on that play, so it was a free play that would have came back to Chiefs' first down ball even it they ruled it a catch by Buffalo.

[@robogreek3157]

Flag because it looked like buffalo was about to intercept it.... just like the last play when it looked like Kincaid was going to catch it. Flag came out

[@BuckLunker]

It's SO good to be a Chiefs fan

[@georgecosrove3651]

Ikr. 40+ years. This shit is amazing. lol.

[@BuckLunker]

@georgecosrove3651 I watched SB 4 in 1970 sitting on the floor. Graduated to a recliner now 😉

[@MrSkuddawg]

No matter what you say, im not feeling bad for the Cheifs or Refs.

[@Usabilitygene365]

Part of the juice is also the Chiefs winning close games.

[@TheSuperdoit]

to those that think the league is actually rigged: if believe the games are fixed in the chiefs favor why aren't you betting on them every time? why aren't you just raking in the money off it?

[@iJeremyN]

@Brandon Perna... You've got to stop pushing this narrative. I know you do a lot of goofy stuff, but this is really starting to set you apart from Tom and other KZbin sports analysts (and not in a good way). I'd suggest finding a way to balance it out a bit, it's childish and redundant.

[@SouthernPioneer1965]

Amen .. I’m Starting to unsubscribe from channels that spew this garbage . I used to enjoy talking football . Now it’s just annoying as shit .. like I’m stuck in a room with a bunch of toddles throwing temper tantrums . I’m deleting Perna , but keeping Grossi .

[@nimbo1496]

As a browns fan this started with the no helmet to helmet call during the divisional round.

[@Nater_V]

I will say that it may be jokes by you guys, but then people run with it. It adds to it

[@meltingkrayons5830]

1. It's highly unlikely that the NFL is rigging games, mostly because there are too many unpredictable variables to reliably control outcomes. 2. It's more plausible that the NFL has "desired" winners, and is willing to tip the scales in key moments (see LA Rams vs. Saints NFC Championship). Still unlikely, because missed calls usually go both ways and seem random, and human error is a thing - but this is at least possible. 3. Rules and methods of determining/correcting calls can be inefficient and stupid, when greater accuracy is very doable. (See XFL/UFL) 4. Aside from the fans of the dominant team, people hate dominant teams and like variety. 5. Therefore, whether rigging, "tipping", incompetence, or blind luck, avoidable bad calls that cannot be corrected are unacceptable, especially when they favor a dynasty. Criticism of the NFL/Refs is justified.

[@robertvirnig42]

If they called every time there was offensive or defensive holding it would radically change the game as one or the other seems to occur on every play. When they call these penalties seems to be purely arbitrary and players must commit these fouls to be competitive.

[@jeffkan1]

Good discussion guys, well done.

[@taylornielsen2650]

Sometimes I feel like I’m falling for the “rigged” narrative but Grossi and Perna have some answers that make me second guess myself.

[@mithrilphoenix7305]

I'm at the point now where I want the entire team and coaches to arrive to the game Sunday in full ref uniforms just to give a big middle finger to everyone involved in this crap. For as long as I can remember as a Chiefs fan since 1989... WAY MORE times the team had absolute horrible calls go against them, to the point we had people mathematically breaking down how many more penalties certain refs gave the Chiefs over the other 31 teams. To the point that the most notorious on that list getting booed so much and so loud during a Raiders game that he got a shaky voice and sounded like he was going to cry - AND THAT'S WHAT WE AS FANS WERE MORE HAPPIER ABOUT THE NEXT DAY NOT BEATING THE RAIDERS. And the refs playing favorites or whatever, I can still remember Elway crying about Arrowhead being too loud to the refs and they threatened to penalize KC if the crowd didn't quiet down for Horseface. Tennessee Titans Playoff game, Forward Progress taking away a scoop and score by Derrick Johnson that would have won the game... instead KC loses and we were told don't cry deal with it. Every time they got bad calls that helped cost games, that was always what the rest of you said, don't cry about it deal with it. To take it a step further, lets also look at rule changes ... when Brady beat Mahomes in the AFC championship and KC tried to get the overtime rule changed, again "don't cry cuz you lost deal with it" from the rest of you, the next year because Josh Allen doesn't get a shot, oh now we change the rule and everyone single one of you "this was sorely needed this took too long to get changed ". Also, it's not like since week one of last year we don't also have a Right Tackle who gets like 4 or 5 flags a game and has legitimately cost us points with the penalties that get so easily overlooked when its against us.

[@robogreek3157]

Bruh...it's rigged to help mahommes and the swifties. It's obvious. Astros 2.0

[@Fenrir-uv9ib]

1. I don't know what holding actually is. 2. I don't know what a catch is anymore either.

[@jamesmziegler]

As a Chiefs fan I understand the overwhelming jealousy felt by the NFL fandom, as well as their conspiracy theories. We saw the same during the Patriots dynasty. It comes with being the best, when everybody wants what you have

[@MaryShawhan]

Bad calls happen for EVERY team in nearly every game. Nobody points at a bad call made against the losers of a game. Only the winners get blamed for the bad calls they receive.

[@Loiosh02]

I appreciate both of your perspectives - and I agree with a lot it. As a chiefs fan, it is indeed creating a storm. I can't go to places with fans from other teams without some vocalization towards me against my team. I am currently travelling out of state, and had to make conscious decisions to not bring Chiefs apparel, which I normally do. I love both of your jesting about the situation when you do, and appreciate you putting some light on the weirdness of it, and also showing the other side of the coin.

[@bsmith8943]

You think??? You all dont help it. You all didnt care when reffs screwed us over against Brady in the playoffs. They didn't change overtime rules for us. Direct your anger on Allen and the Bills.

[@Moxiemax511]

Fans of other teams definitely called out Brady and the Pats in that 2018 championship. That Rtp was a shoulder tap it wasn't roughing. Both those championships had two of the worst calls ever

[@robogreek3157]

Screwed over? You were clearly lined up offsides. That's a pre snap penalty

[@LoganX00]

The worthy catch was a catch. They both had possession, the ball was against worthy's body and didn't move so it "survived" contact with the ground and finally tied possession goes to the offense. That's why it was reviewed and still ruled a catch, which btw means that NY reviewed it.

[@robogreek3157]

Lol😂 no way people actually think that was a catch. NO WAY

[@LoganX00]

@robogreek3157 ok, explain what part of my explanation was wrong. By the letter of the rule book, it was a catch.

[@Smokeygeorge]

I just can’t wait to see Perna in Kansas City for the Super Bowl Parade🔥🔥

[@Fifthranger]

The NFL did this by pushing for sports betting, or at least have it a massive push in this direction

[@PowerPackers90]

this is just the price of being a dynasty. it happened to the Patriots, Cowboys, etc. Even the 60s Packers I still have non-Packers fan aunts and uncles complain about the 60s Packers and complain "Don Chandler missed that kick in the playoffs vs the colts", "Paul Horning deserved a lifetime banned for gambling", "Packers jumped early/illegally pushed Starr during the Ice Bowl QB sneak"

[@robogreek3157]

Never.... Patriots had their lucky but NEVER rigging by refs. This shit is so obvious

[@angelsofblood9879]

Players and coaches are held accountable for on field actions. Referees are not. That's the problem.

[@tobyfalcon1448]

Wrong but keep trying

[@angelsofblood9879]

@tobyfalcon1448 , wrong, really isn't an argument. It's like a toddler's reaction to hearing something they didn't like.

[@chriswright6007]

Perna lives in his feels😢😢

[@PirateZ1]

I don't think its the actual NFL rigging it, but (some) refs 100% are betting on these games

[@johnchedsey1306]

I have no idea why the NFL doesn't just have 3 or 4 guys watching monitors of the action who have the ability to communicate to the refs on the field. Their job is to catch uncalled facemasks, let the refs know that there was or was not helmet to helmet contact, or anything else that every viewer sees on the broadcast.

[@littlejimmy7402]

Yeah yeah the NFL Refs have been worth a crap ever, now they are able to determine a game. Ya'll believe a lot of stuff is against you huh? Patrick Mahomes is perfect in 4th Qtr comebacks (1 score) during the playoffs, no one else sniffs that. Perna's sour grapes over a crappy broncos organization is all bs. He's funny and all, but words have meaning. The donkeys can't sniff the chiefs, sorry Elway and Manning aren't playing right now. And they don't rate in a comeback against Mahomes.

[@gambious]

It’s too blatant to deny.

[@A9Wag]

There’s a part of this discussion that I don’t think gets enough attention. If we electronically/robo-call our refereeing, we run into a scenario where it slows the games down and it makes a very frustrating viewing experience. TOO many flags because they’re TOO good at calling them goes to the extreme other end.

[@CHIIIEEEEEEEEFFFFSSS]

Nobody remembers that the Chiefs had a 3rd and 5 turned into 3rd and 15 late in the 4th quarter with a blown offsides/false start. Pivotal call and NOBODY remembers it because it didn't help the Chiefs.

[@maley2552]

Hell, maybe this will get Goodell to finally off his ass and fix the problems with the officiating process

[@shanesaunders6156]

If the league has a problem with it, enforce the rules and Call it fair. Real easy solution

[@Alohaonalani]

I appreciate this conversation.

[@RCKennington]

With Rugby you can hear the officials discusscion and sometimes see the footage and angles as they request in real time during the review. That is better than the annoucers reviewing what footage they have and trying to figure out what the call will be.

[@jenningsslayer314]

Their game against the Texans really shined a light on this. With how bad they played against the Chiefs, almost everyone were complaining about the refs.

[@revpembroke3082]

Which is weird because on both plays people complained about, Mahomes was hit in the helmet. We can see it happen. The first was helmet to facemask, and on the second Mahomes had a helmet *slightly* connect with his AND an arm smashed into his helmet as well. From a team that nearly decapitated Trevor Lawrence and defended it, thinking there was no problem with the play. Of *course* the refs are going to be watching them closely for plays that look like helmet to helemt

[@robogreek3157]

You guys are so delusional 😂

[@Antanvarno]

As a chiefs fan, there have been questionable calls go against us that get completely forgotten. But we look at all these decisions on slow mo, forgot what it looks like live. I also don't understand why Refs aren't full times employees yet! Refs have been a problem for years for all teams (even before Mahomes and this narrative)

[@SuperBoxcat]

I think the main issue is the inconsistency. When people see the quarterback of their team getting killed out there and not getting a flag and then they see Mahomes get looked at funny and he gets a flag people are going to call rigged. You have to clean that up.

[@nawbrah2841]

What inconsistency? Josh Allen leads the league in roughing calls every single year.

[@Robster881]

I don't really think the league is rigged, I do think that the vagueness of the rules (have you ever read them? They suck!) and the amount human error plays into enforcement of those rules are MASSIVE issues. They need a major officiating overhaul.

[@horabfibslager8762]

Almost like its intentionally vague so the league can influence the outcome of games or something.

[@Fallenburn1618]

If they were going to rig it I doubt they would make it the most uninteresting Super Bowl in living memory.

[@akenny1]

When Perna realized that Tom was gonna be rational and say the very logical thing that this is getting out of hand. Perna quickly stopped laughing. Perna has been a huge part of this conspiracy problem.

[@horabfibslager8762]

Not a conspiracy when its real

[@JDude88]

The other aspect of the ref calls is that the Chiefs are always in close games recently. Because of that any questionable call feels more significant when it’s called the Chiefs way. If the same call is called in a game the Chiefs lose then itit wouldn’t feel as significant

[@horabfibslager8762]

Maybe if the reffing was better, people wouldn't complain as much. Maybe if the league didn't use the refs to influence games people wouldn't complain as much. Just a thought.

[@MathiaClan]

Until your team benefits from a bad call....

[@vegasroller7026]

Basically just another day in sports talk 😂

[@lenoxx_s1884]

What i really hate is a lot of Brady stans act like he didn't ever benefit from questionable calls

[@530Zeno]

Perna is as much a part of the problem as most

[@SpongeWorthy76]

Nobody talks about the no-calls that favored the Bills! False starts on 2 of their TDs!

[@Drakkattackofficial]

I've embraced the outcomes are predetermined. An that's fine. They can't script injuries, but they sure as hell can script a win or a loss.