Are Florida State, Clemson ACTUALLY Joining Expansion Big 12 Over SEC, Big 10 in Shocking ACC Exit?

[@wvgolfnut1]

Those guys on locked on ACC are a smug bunch, especially Kenton. I have ZERO remorse for the ACC, they started this chaos when they raided the old Big East. Could care less if it dissolves

[@bbtrain72]

i watched dozens of locked on ACC, Alex is not so bad, but kenton really show is biased for NC St and love to hate on FSU.

[@scottnemechek4268]

​@@bbtrain72Yea I call Kenton Mr. Knowitall.

[@scarcheer7211]

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[@tarheel7406]

a) The ACC then only wanted MIAMI, but it demanded BC/CUSE. b) Old BIGEAST schools were free to pass on ACC invites and WVU could have stayed. c) The BIG8/12 killed the SWC and was a party to killing the PAC.

[@Bswinmo1]

If I’m FSU and Clemson, I would stay in the ACC. No way i would go to Big 12

[@rooroo_7]

@@Bswinmo1 neither sill stay in the ACC and neither will be in Big 12. These are pipe dreams.

[@Bswinmo1]

@@rooroo_7 i think I would stay in the ACC. Big 12 is hot garbage

[@rooroo_7]

@@Bswinmo1 why? What’s the advantage of staying in the ACC? There are no bullet points that show that the ACC can keep up with the changes that are occurring?

[@tarheel7406]

@@rooroo_7 The BIG12 is already dead in this context.

[@Bswinmo1]

@@rooroo_7 better conference, location, and etc

[@dfausti66]

Brett Yormark "The best is yet to come!" Hmm, I wonder what he meant by such a statement! Thoughts?

[@KANE8225]

Yormark is the best thing to happen to this conference, maybe ever

[@Julian-yc4hn]

​@KANE8225 The Big 12 might not be finished yet with taking teams out of the ACC like they did taking Utah BYU Colorado and both Arizona schools from the pac12

[@KANE8225]

@@Julian-yc4hn I’m down for any and all of it with the exception of UNC, UVA, or Duke. NONE of those 3

[@rooroo_7]

Graham Neff said this rumor is “completely baseless.” His words.

[@Joe-sm9qj]

​@@KANE8225Agreed

[@phyrekrotchzz]

Really getting tired of the click bait titles. Gonna need to unfollow soon.

[@jordanlee6176]

Drake is so fidgety it's hard to listen to Donno when he's moving so much lol

[@MisterDigDug]

And no schools have time to “chill out”. As Yormark said, it’s no time to press pause. Those that hesitate are destined for G5.

[@donovangillies9506]

I like Clemson and Florida state now let’s get Miami and Virginia tech

[@scotthoward1561]

Will they burn their bridges in the ACC.

[@falcn828]

Finally got Donno on here. Now get Kenton

[@bradwbangerter863]

I think that the ACC is going to fall apart with in ten years or so .

[@tarheel7406]

The BIG12 has already fallen apart.

[@jamesbond-fb9fp]

We need a power 4 otherwise college becomes the NFL. power 5 never made sense, power 3 doesn't make sense, and power 2 is too many teams

[@mallardcutter7209]

The SEC doesn’t want or need FSU Or Clemson. End of story.

[@richaustin5849]

Doce Grande

[@ericsutton9853]

They couldn’t keep Texas or OU so y’all think fsu and Clemson would go there for that low amount of money of money, why not SMU

[@JoshuaJohnsOfficalChannel]

STOP THE CLICKBAIT TITLE, I THOUGHT IT SAID FSU AND CLEMSON ARE JOINING THE BIG 12

[@moffprof02]

Do FSU/CU choose their 2 travel partners to Big 12? Does Big 12 want 3 schools in Florida by adding Miami; or are new markets more desirable???

[@mauallison7755]

I’m a Florida Terp. After thinking about this, I’d like to see the Big12 absorb FSU and Clemson. Gives the Big12 more value to balance 3 leagues. As a now B1G Terp, I’d like to see Miami, GT, UNC, UVA and ND (Stanford) in the B1G. Done deal. The Big12 and SEC can divvy up the rest.

[@tarheel7406]

a) There is no feasible path to a peer P3. b) UNC is now ~100% to SEC, and UVA has gone dark, likely waiting things out.

[@mauallison7755]

@@tarheel7406 Why is there no clear path to a peer P3? With the ever growing quantity of talented kids coming up, why not in a country this large?

[@tarheel7406]

@@mauallison7755 The BIG12 is now all Tier 1 rejects and G5 equivalents. The ACC will also deplete from the top and have already preemptively backfilled with Tier 2 schools. There is no feasible path to a peer P3.

[@mauallison7755]

@@tarheel7406 Perceived value can change on a dime. FSU was once a girls school. 🤷‍♂️

[@tarheel7406]

@@mauallison7755 Both FSU and CLEMSON would quickly depreciate with a BIG12 schedule. Value is also relative and contingent in place.

[@mralbrecht8736]

As a die hard Louisville fan I want Louisville to leave for the big 12 asap, it’s a matter of when not if Florida state and Clemson leave and Louisville should get ahead of everything as much as possible. Plus all the regional rivalries and teams in the big 12 are so much more fun to play imo

[@tarheel7406]

I suspect that the ACC would release L'VILLE with an amicable settlement. Nevertheless, L'VILLE was among the strongest supporters of adding Cal+2.

[@mralbrecht8736]

@@tarheel7406 hypothetically if Louisville left next year I’m pretty sure the Big 12 would be able to help the school out with the buyout especially if FSU, Clemson and Miami all leave for the big 12

[@mralbrecht8736]

Although that’s just what I’ve gathered from watching videos the last couple months on this but I could definitely be misinformed

[@tarheel7406]

@@mralbrecht8736 a) The ACC would likely release L'VILLE with an amicable settlement, not FSU, CLEMSON or MIAMI. b) Why would CLEMSON or MIAMI downgrade to the BIG12?

[@FSU_Seminoles]

FSU is headed to the B1G Conference.

[@MikeSharpe973]

To answer your question in the title, a simply "no" will do.

[@mahall85]

So, you’re asking a guy in a Miami shirt, looking to be broadcasting from their 50-yard practice facility… and he knows something about FSU and Clemson that people on those beats do not… yeah…

[@scarcheer7211]

Ugly ass shirt too!

[@rooroo_7]

@@mahall85 they don’t. The entire idea is absurd.

[@adamb6370]

Definition of click bait….title is opposite of message in video. Title says FSU picks B12 over SEC/BIG. Message, FSU considering joining B12 after being rejected by the P2.

[@artax84z]

Which video has that title? This title asks Are Florida St , Clemson ACTUALLY joining Expansion Big 12 over SEC,BIG 10 IN Shocking ACC exist ?

[@adamb6370]

@@artax84z operative word there is “over” they aren’t picking the B12 over the P2. If they pick B12 is because they have been rejected by the P2 and have nowhere else to go.

[@MisterDigDug]

If ESPN backs out of renewal, the value of the ACC crashes. I wouldn’t bet on a windfall of cash from departing members, it’s wishful thinking.

[@arronfrazier7873]

ESPN really doesn't want that 10 year extension! They got the SEC now. ABC/ESPN/Disney has been cutting people, shows and etc the last few years. Also, former ACC commissioner John Swofford/UNC grad and tobacco road BB schools believe a 20 year tv deal made economic sense. No other conference has signed a tv deal longer than 12 years. That 12 year deal was done by the PAC10 and they are no more. No smart commissioner would approve a extension knowing the SEC and B10 would sign 2 deals making way more money per year over that 20 years.

[@tarheel7406]

@@arronfrazier7873 a) The ACC deal was praised at the time. b) It's likely that another network would pick up the ACC at the heavily discounted price. Remember that there's a reason why there's a new ACC/SEC challenge rather than a continued BIG12/SEC.

[@arronfrazier7873]

@@tarheel7406 FOH! No other conference currently and the last 30 years signed a 20 tv deal! The PAC10 signed a 12 year deal, its no longer around! Its obviously, you don't understand finance and business. The next 12 years, the B10 and SEC school per year, they will make 40million or more.

[@tarheel7406]

@@arronfrazier7873 Regardless, the deal was praised at the time. One doesn't judge in hindsight. By that same logic, the ACC should have never invited MIAMI, as it has failed expectations.

[@arronfrazier7873]

@@tarheel7406 Its not regardless! The PAC10 did 12 years and their deal was terrible. They aren't around anymore. Its logic and commonsense. No other conference signed a 10 year deal with 10 extension which makes it 20 years. its called business forecasting!

[@RoscoPColtrane17]

Not happening

[@cfb1923]

San Diego State 2.0. Stuff happens.

[@shybone6833]

They’ll Join intil They leave again in 2 or 5 or ten years!

[@COOGlife]

Yesssir

[@huskerjpg]

Big10 should bring in VA and UNC as BB bluebloods who play occasional good FB. FSU, Clemson, and Miami are not something the Big10 needs. ND and somebody else (Kansas, for same reasons as VA and UNC?) would be the final 2 for that conference.

[@tarheel7406]

UNC is now ~100% to SEC.

[@nolenation1993]

FSU is not coming to a G-5 conference.

[@dfausti66]

They have little choice except the Big 12 at this point.

[@loveizdaonlyway9406]

Next time... actual haveon a FSU fan/Media to asks about Fsu. Not this clown whos a rival, who does nothing but disses fsu.

[@daviddejesus5376]

AAC!

[@nopefan6463]

This guy is so out of touch

[@lukebart920]

Bye bye bye! I had tooo!

[@christophercurzon3485]

Rather than say, as almost all sportscasters on this topic say, that Clemson and Florida State are despearate and dumb to go to the Big12, why not focus on the strategic reasons to potentially join the Big12. Everyone always concludes that the SEC and Big10 are so superior that only an idiot would go the Big12. Yet, strategically there is a case to be made for this move: 1) It's very possible that these schools achieve mediocraty in the Big 2; 2) there may be more money to gain from winning championships in the Big 12 for your school; 3) the likelihood of getting into the playoffs may very well be higher; 4) if the Big 12 gives naming rights, this closes the gap; 5) if the Big12 gets private equity, this closes the financial gap; 6) more marketing opportunities for Clemson and FSU by beiing a big fish in a smaller pond; 7) money does not equal success. Look at all of the Big 2 teams that are mediaocre and are purportedly getting lots of money. These minor schools should be whipping the best teams in the Big12 with all their money, but they are not; 8) The Big 2 may eat themselves with the haves and have nots within their conferences - and the fact that many "big name schools" may become mediocre teams with decreasing appeal; 9) Big12 basketball and other paths may bring in a lot of money - Yormark is creative; 10) things change; to assume that everything is static and the Big 2 will always be on top is naive and defies the historical fact that things do change for whatever reason or even crazy reason; 11) the Big12 may be less political, more flexible and more accommodating versuses the Big 2 - Clemson and FSU want to feel appreciated whereever they go; 12) watch what happens to Texas, Oklahoma, UCLA, USC, Washington and Oregon -a number of these schools will have losing seasons and none of them may end up in the top of their conference.. 13) Fans want their teams to be successful - there is more opportunity to do so in the Big12; 14) Media rights and money is always negoticable (a true fact). The Big12 can increase their value and get more money. These are only a few of the strategic reasons why it is not "despearate" or "stupid" for Clemson and FSU to consider the Big12. Stop arguing from an inferior position that the Big 2 walk on water and the Big12 has no value. Arguing from that position discounts the strategic reaons by the Big12 is a viable option for FSU and Clemson.

[@frankpotter5936]

What can the ACC offer over the Big12? The ACC is the best academic conference and the Big12 has only one school ranked in the top 100 (Baylor #93). If you said to yourself "I don't understand why the ACC added Stanford and Cal" you can just stop at the first part of that sentence because you don't understand. Academics matter. An academically average ACC school like Virginia Tech (#47) is ranked closer to Harvard than it is to the top school in the Big12. Both Clemson and FSU are ranked lower than VT but they would be the best schools in the BIG12.

[@gomfcoogs2231]

Butler? Tf you talking about lol

[@frankpotter5936]

@@gomfcoogs2231 Fixed. Thanks.

[@wvgolfnut1]

Keep saying that as if it matters. I have ZERO remorse for the ACC. They're the ones that started this chaos when they started raiding the Big East

[@tarheel7406]

@@wvgolfnut1 Academics matter to brand, culture and prestige. They matter in media value per viewer. They matter in how many advertisers are interested and the quality of same.

[@jameshhenderson8243]

Blah blah blah blah.They both better stay put.

[@wvgolfnut1]

If FSU would've been undefeated in the Big 12, they would've made the playoffs

[@nolenation1993]

Why stay put and fall behind in money?

[@tarheel7406]

@@nolenation1993 Why move and fall behind in money and in other considerations?