+TheStraightPipes you should take that thing the grid life bro.
@07wrxtr17 жыл бұрын
Or just go full swedish turbo tractor!!!! www.wimp.com/swedish-farmer-puts-a-turbo-engine-into-his-tractor/
@TheStraightPipes7 жыл бұрын
savagegeese the only grid life I know is mowed 90 degrees at a time
@Almighty_cornholio7 жыл бұрын
Well duh it's a track-tor
@beamerw.33116 жыл бұрын
"Tires are the only thing keeping your car on the ground" Brb removing my tires so I can have a sick hover car.
@JDJD-mw9rr5 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, then your rotors become your tires and they don't work as well. I like your enthusiasm tho
@tadficuscactus4 жыл бұрын
Haha!
@Dowlphin4 жыл бұрын
You can make a hovercar by mounting a catback system. One cat in each wheel arch, feet up. ... The cheapassed version of this is buttered toasts with the buttered side up. But it's less dynamically reactive and doesn't handle as much weight. Also, if you mount the toasts on the catbacks and plug them on the axles, you get more acceleration. That assembly will spin by itself and provide additional propulsion.
@Slanovich Жыл бұрын
Great video. Sheer maximum grip is not always best for a daily driver. For me personally, a UHP summer tire with +/-300 tread rating is the best balanced option for a modestly powered RWD sports car. It's just enough grip to have fun and not die when it rains.
@mannyechaluce38146 жыл бұрын
after driving through the strip club my tires become super sticky ,,,,,,,
@BobC595 жыл бұрын
Eeewwwwwwwwwwww 😖
@omegabeta33055 жыл бұрын
Control yourself lol
@BobC595 жыл бұрын
yuck
@arricammarques19555 жыл бұрын
Did the manager of the joint forget too close the doors? LOL
@therayven31475 жыл бұрын
Slow down there turbo...
@AzNightmare5 жыл бұрын
5:27 *Just when I thought I knew everything about tires, I learn something new that have never thought about before. And seriously, literally no one besides SG has talked about this downside to running sticky tires. Wow. Mindblown.*
@pd9255 жыл бұрын
Agreed! Very informative video!
@Darikof4 жыл бұрын
+1
@jack765ful4 жыл бұрын
SG isn’t selling tires. 😄
@cayman98153 жыл бұрын
Totally agree. Very useful info here
@chawenhalo00897 жыл бұрын
Fantastic and accurate. One thing you may want to add: breakaway characteristics of R compounds. On the limit of grip these tyres "breakaway" from adhesion much more suddenly and also regain grip much more aggressively than a more moderate tire. I've done years of trackdays on a modified RWD street car (suspension mostly but really top notch prepared by pros) and always ran fairly normal summer tyres. The result was a well behaved car all year long that was good enough on track for a newbie. Keep up the good work!
@rileygifford15967 жыл бұрын
This series is fantastic! Very eye opening to the world of "Performance" Modifications.
@helloken5 жыл бұрын
It is very important what kind of rubber you bring to a strip club...
@dogtag1143 жыл бұрын
Did he mean strip mall and had a Freudian slip?
@smanzoli3 жыл бұрын
Sticky ones are not good at all
@Smllc223183 жыл бұрын
Nice
@aygwm3 жыл бұрын
Double bag it.
@ccmaster867 жыл бұрын
Savagegeese vs. Engineering Explained to see who's better behind the wheel of an S2000!
@MrComputereviews7 жыл бұрын
ccmaster86 lol wouldn't even be close
@JayTac17 жыл бұрын
Ironically EE videos are more basic. I think Savage knows more about cars. When it comes to modding at least.
@TheNondiscriminatory7 жыл бұрын
JayTac1 more basic? There is typically a lot more math and theory in EEs videos (because engineer. Duh.). Savagegeese is more of a technician. Not an engineer. If anything, he talks about basic shit that everyone but the ill informed knows, not the other way around.
@JayTac17 жыл бұрын
Andrew Davison It's the other way around for me. He puts a lot of math into stuff people already know. When it comes to his videos on mods I've never taken away anything I didn't already know. There are more complex engineering channels out there like Kyle Drives. Complexity however does not sale. You have to dumb down for max views.
@caioronnau52267 жыл бұрын
considering engineering explained managed to crash into a stationary wall/shelf, I believe the answer is right in front of us...
@davisharr5 жыл бұрын
Just bought my first set of real summer tires, new Pilot Sport 4s's in OEM size on my 2012 GTI. Have to say it made the car feel like a whole new car compared to the all seasons it was on! Turns like its glued to the ground, feedback through wheel is great, and I can finally put down "Stage 2" power!
@CAT154072 жыл бұрын
It’s a great tire. My B8 A4 felt like a new car when I first threw them on. Hard to switch back to all seasons.
@davisharr2 жыл бұрын
@@CAT15407 My set of tires described in the comment above where due for replacement this spring. 315 WHP and FWD makes 2-3 years of life from a set of summer tires pretty good in my opinion. There was only one option when it came to replacing my 225 wide PS4S's, and that was the same tire but 10mm wider in a 235 as I wanted to kill the "stretch" look. I am happy as ever. I couldn't imagine going back to all seasons at this point, though I totally get it that for a lot of peoples climates and use cases it may be hard to justify summers. It would be hard to admit that and give these great tires up if I am ever in that situation!
@youknowitsmetheone Жыл бұрын
The 4S are not the type of tire he's referring to, even though they are amazing and one of the best high performance summer tires you can buy. He is referring to a tire like the sport cup 2.
@davisharr Жыл бұрын
@youknowitsmetheone You are right. My comment still stands that those were my first real summer tires and transformed the car. But he is talking a little more performance oriented, perhaps. I have Falken Rt660 200TW on my 91 Miata. Those have a little more tradeoff but stupid levels warm grip!
@youknowitsmetheone Жыл бұрын
@Harrison Davis I just ordered some 4S' for my GT350, I have been using Cup 2s for 2 years because thats what came on the car, and they truly only belong on a track. They are miserable to daily drive. Really looking forward to the 4S'
@kingcobra38547 жыл бұрын
Great perspective that is seldom ever mentioned in regards to high performance tires! Wish you would've also covered the other types of tires as well and their pros/cons.
@S2kDude366 жыл бұрын
For the AP1 S2000, Honda put on Bridgestone Potenza S02 tires. Which tells me a little bit that Honda expected the S2000 to be driven fairly hard on occasion. Treadwear was 140 and it was a really good, sticky tire, you could really pull some G's in the turns. Not so good in the cold, not so good in the rain, but in warm dry weather, they gripped really well. I went through 4 sets of S02's in the first few years of owning my '02 S2000. Mountain drives, some track days, and an occasional AutoX. I've had my Spa Yellow for 16 years now and tire technology has changed immensely, I tend to like Bridgestone tires but have tried Hankook, Dunlop, and Khumo tires over the years. The S2000 was my daily driver for 16 years and I didn't mind running a high performance summer tire all the time. I live in the Southeastern US and didn't want to compromise the handling, braking, and wonderful amounts of grip you get with a tire that has a softer compound. We don't see much in the way of cold temp, or frozen precipitation. However, lately I don't drive the S2000 all the time, because of that, I have taken the tires down a notch and have been happy with the Bridgestone Potenza S04 Pole Position tires. They strike a good balance between dry/wet traction, temperature, sidewall stiffness and road noise. They did really well on The Dragon a few weeks ago when we had an S2000 event with nearly 100 cars. SavageGeese, you should attend one of the future S2000 Dragon events sometime.
@grandmaster-grouch5 жыл бұрын
S2kDude36 😂.... tread wear is your trigger points for s2k wear and tare design? What about the replaceable subframe segments? Imo this is the most clear notion that Honda expected s2ks to be driven hard. At that time only exotics and race cars used that kind of frame; because when a catastrophic coalition happens the first thing they check is subframe integrity. If a subframe is discovered to be damaged. The cost to get the car back in race trim is a fraction of what full body frame replacement would cost. Fyi most s2k na race built frames use 30%-60% of the factory components. The after market has a very hard time out engineering jdm/oem parts. So yes the s2k is built like a Swiss watch. 🥂 cheers.
@TassieLorenzo3 жыл бұрын
S02, S001 or RE050A are not really 140 treadwear. By modern standards they would be about 240 to 300 treadwear. The modern day S007A is rated at 240 treadwear by Bridgestone, but in reality it's the same 300 treadwear as a Eagle F1 Super Sport or Pilot Sport 4S. [The US-market S04 is indeed a step harder than the S007A though as you say.] :) [Tirerack classing S007A as an extreme tyre is wrong.]
@xtrem047 жыл бұрын
Really enjoying this series. Keep it up. 👍
@dthompson34268 ай бұрын
6 years later, and this is even more true now than it was then. Truth is, for anyone with a more sporty vehicle or who enjoys having an enhanced driving feel, a UHP all season tire is perfect. None of the drawbacks of a super sticky Summer only compound, but with 85% to 95% of the performance capabilities. Which for daily driving doesn't matter anyways. For those of us who live where it gets cold, which is a lot of us, this is simply the superior choice. Especially with how good UHP AS tires have gotten.
@ZippyTPinhead7 жыл бұрын
What are the best tires to drive to a strip club and back? I am asking for a friend.
@littleplay41786 жыл бұрын
ZippyTPinhead 30 inch rims tires don't matter in this situation
@mannyechaluce38146 жыл бұрын
the spare around your waist ,,,,,,, :D
@scottmurphy49466 жыл бұрын
Tires and tits are expensive and suffer from rough use
@Gchang546 жыл бұрын
ZippyTPinhead cumhoes, i mean kumhos
@cheetotruckinwithjesus60136 жыл бұрын
Runflats that way you don't have to change a tire while drunk..10-4
@TC-rc1zf5 жыл бұрын
I worked and sold tires for 5 years. Your video was better than some of the training video!
@ChrisFA57 жыл бұрын
I like to drive.. spirited.. more than ultimate grip I prefer tires to be communicative at limits. I'm not aiming for lap times though.
@MrSunrise-6 жыл бұрын
" I prefer tires to be communicative at limits" - wise, very wise.
@owenlaprath41355 жыл бұрын
Never had a bad surprise from my 2 sets of Tiger Paw Touring T rated shoes. They start sliding ever so gradually and give you plenty of warning to back off. Not the stickiest, but always predictable and stable!
@bobreimer4 жыл бұрын
Well done Mark. The autocross community has a lot of tire nerds (including me). I've also discovered that I no longer enjoy comp tires on the street. It came to me one day when I realized that enjoyed the street ride of both my cars much more on snow tires (E36 BMW and Miata). If your dual purpose car has a modified suspension, you can still have a decent street ride with a higher softer sidewall. We sometimes forget that the tire is part of the suspension because we focus on the contact patch. My solution is Hoosiers for competition and a quiet tire with softer sidewalls and decent wear rating for the street. Like many of us, I have a history of street driving on comp tires. If we really want to experience grip at the limit of a given tire, we really need to be on a closed course.
@Sensekhmet7 жыл бұрын
One more point: you might find out that your brakes, which were just fine with "normal" rubber have suddenly became useless and might even try to burn down your car after switching to semi-slicks. I'm talking about aggressive/competition driving here.
@DIgitusSmartas4 жыл бұрын
If you don't have a brembo's or have performance car in general, why on earth would you put semis on that car
@juandlugka Жыл бұрын
@@DIgitusSmartas touge
@javanbybee4822 Жыл бұрын
@@DIgitusSmartasi have ventus RS4s on a bone stock civic I auto cross lol
@joszer6 жыл бұрын
Never really thought about that last point. Makes a ton of sense. Great Video.
@wordsworthian7 жыл бұрын
And that, is the Racing Line!
@jean-sebastienguay1282Ай бұрын
You're so on point and precise. It's exactly what i tought when i drove the RE71R on track on my 2001 miata. I thought that it's too sticky. It makes the car out of balance and harmony. Could feel the chassis twisting a bit and the dampers going to their limits. Absolutly not fun. No more turning in with a little bit of rotation and no more tale happy corner exit.
@Marauder19816 жыл бұрын
This is very tiresome
@mercoboulotdodo5 жыл бұрын
Oh man I love your video! You explained it so great, especially the part with the rocks flying around and also the additional force and stress which is put on several parts of the car. This is really a point not mentioned by most of the people. I wanted to put some Yokohama AD08R on my car but since it is more of a week-end car rather than a high-performance track car I would not even profit a little bit from that stickiness. Thanks for the info, I am gonna stick with normal summer tires but still some good ones.
@z4ckhyd37 жыл бұрын
Give Jason his car back! Engineering Explained can't put out any videos if you're holding his car hostage.
@adventuresinmotorsports4147 жыл бұрын
Lol, it's not Jason's car. Jason got RE-71r's for his summer tires. This one gots Hankooks.
@djsano237 жыл бұрын
savage has a ap2 and jason has a ap1 same color tho. great video!
@phantommedia99647 жыл бұрын
different wheels too lol
@BryanChance7 жыл бұрын
Jason could be Brian Cox's cousin LOL
@davepeterson32916 жыл бұрын
Great video. I watched half of your video then started looking for something else to watch. Then you started to get into some finer details and i was hooked! Great info and a great video! Good job, keep it up
@porschenut97 жыл бұрын
Not to mention, r-compounds can create a lot of oiling issues which can and has led to engine failures. Add a baffled sump to the list!
@Sensekhmet7 жыл бұрын
Another interesting side effect is that for performance/competition driving your brakes can suddenly turn out to be overheating pieces of flaming shit with the big increase in tire grip.
@DarthVader-eg9jm6 жыл бұрын
99% of people who buy the high performance tires never exploit them to even a fraction of their potential. This was simply an excellent review.
@daddyeagen7 жыл бұрын
Dropped the glasses, smiling more at the camera, is that blush you are wearing? Oh no! Focus groups got em! Still love your videos, and of course the obligatory hurry back turbowski! PPS, had a set of potenza so-3s on a 3 series and for the 15k miles they lasted holy cow, they were incredible!
@benjaminkessler81697 жыл бұрын
in a few years i am proud to say I've been here since the earlier days. this channel is going to be the new bench mark for real world, no BS car reviews. manufacture will someday fight to get a car on his show. in days of compliance and real world car reviews he is re-writting the online based genre.
@TimothyCow237 жыл бұрын
The new engineering explained
@AnyBodyWannaPeanut7 жыл бұрын
But better and more interesting and delivered in a silky smooth voice.
@MV607 жыл бұрын
Yep, pre wannabe car reviewer.
@Pwndaz7 жыл бұрын
I prefer the math. I love Jason's approach, it sits better with how I learn personally.
@AmatuerHourCoding7 жыл бұрын
engineering explained kinda sucks tbh. Lot of "on paper" truths but in reality... not so much. Like the "warm up" one. Sure cars are fuel injected nowadays, but what if its 10 degrees and your oil is the viscosity of hair gel? Start that engine, slam it into "D" before the revs drop and youre off! Lol
@krrk63377 жыл бұрын
The BETTER engineering explained.
@jeremyr71475 жыл бұрын
Hey, I've been in the business 20 years. Seen a lot of youtubes on tires. This was a well done video, and the conclusions were spot on.. I'm currently running Thunderer Mach 4 on my car. They do just as well, ride amazing on the street.
@MattyDienhoff6 жыл бұрын
Interesting video! I think you might've overemphasized the track aspect, and underemphasized the "spirited driving on the street" aspect, though. I'm not into motorsports, so I wasn't interested in the kind of ultra-sticky tyres that you're talking about here in the first place, but I do enjoy enthusiastic driving on windy backroads, so I'm not willing to throw up my hands and just buy the cheapest on the rack, either. You did explain why ultra-sticky race tyres aren't ideal for the street, but beyond that you didn't do much to differentiate between bargain bin econobox tyres and decent mid-range ones. I understand much has been said on that topic already, but I'd appreciate your less hype-driven taken on it. I don't believe "dirt cheap tyres are fine" is the message you were trying to get across, but it's one some viewers might take away from this video.
@BobC595 жыл бұрын
With all due respect, he never mentioned tyres in this video. A lot of talk about tires tho :-P
@goguhu5 жыл бұрын
@@BobC59 It was very unrespectful ... 8^7
@peterwelsh69755 жыл бұрын
I've found that winter tires make really good summer sticky tires, but summer performance tires do horrible in winter. Yes i lose alot of tire life but $95 winter tires come with much greater tread depth than a $300 "performance" tire.
@BobC595 жыл бұрын
@@peterwelsh6975 Probably depends on what you mean by winter tires - a lot of variations there. I live in a place (mid-eastern US) where it can range from 0-100 degrees fahrenheit, winter to summer. I use good quality (michelin, bridgestone, BFG, etc.) "all season" tires and they are indeed great for all my driving. I live amidst what I call "the world's longest road course" - wonderful, nicely paved and usually well-maintained backroads that follow the Blue Ridge Mountains foothills. I have had several "fun cars", all of which I drive spiritedly on these roads. I 'inherited' summer tires on my '92 GT-R which I switch out to the all-seasons once it gets cold. I honestly cannot say with certainty that the summer tires are stickier - and I do push corners sometimes to the point of traction loss - so I'm skeptical. Also put some excellent summer tires on a 370Z (Nismo) to replace its original all-seasons. Felt different but again, can't say there was an obvious difference. But that car was scary to push - - It seemed to either stick or let go completely; In fact, I did full a track weekend at VIR (about six 30-minute runs per day for two days!) and once, with all nanny controls off - spun out, thankfully into a grass field. Tires may have been a little overinflated and it was hot day, but all in all, for most people's driving (including spirited runs on the backroads), I'd say anecdotally that decent quality all-season tires are absolutely fine - even for enthusiasts like me.
@kiwiasian7 жыл бұрын
Good point about additional load on the car. A couple of 86s went to track day in April with semi slicks and experienced extreme oil starvation on a particularly long sweeper ( before the final long straight). Both blow their engines. Admittedly one was also running high boost without an oil cooler.
@Gorilla_Jones6 жыл бұрын
This is "tiring" Thanks folks, I'll be here all week.
@eastcoastreviews68706 жыл бұрын
I have Michelin Pilot Super Sports on my DD and they’re honestly the best tires I’ve ever had, and IMO totally worth it
@futmut10006 жыл бұрын
This was very helpfull, i was thinking about putting Trofeo R's tires on my Ford Fiesta 1.4TDCI..
@FlubbersQuid5 жыл бұрын
I don't know why but I really enjoy watching these informative videos. It's just nice somehow to listen to someone explaining things like they are without any added fluff. Even thou I'm a trained mechanic and I handle these things daily. Keep it up, great work!
@Racer_Mike876 жыл бұрын
Great video. To make matters worse some new cars are coming with high performance summer only tires and the owners are realizing you're not supposed to be driving on them below 40F or even in the wet
@jack765ful4 жыл бұрын
Ecadman87 I once traded in a Saab 93 (turbo) with high performance summer tires mounted on them. After the price was agreed, I then asked the dealer if he wanted my winter tires (mounted on aftermarket sports rims) for free, he said no. Oh well. I wonder how far the next owner made it before he realized changing tires was a necessity.
@TassieLorenzo Жыл бұрын
Sorry, but anyone who doesn't realise summer tyres are for year-round use only in warm Mediterranean climates is an idiot. Summer tyres are perfectly fine for use year round for climates like southern California, southern Australia (indeed, here in Australia, the idea of an all-season tyre let alone a winter tyre would make people puzzled!)... and yes, summer UHP they are perfectly fine for tropical climates and wet conditions in places like Florida too. Indeed, summer UHP tyres tend to be quite good in *warm* and wet conditions. It's just that some of them (e.g., Pirelli P Zero summer) are not that great in cold, wet conditions, i.e., under 7 deg C and wet, so places like England or Scotland. While at 1 deg C or less, summer tyres are not appropriate at all!
@falconator34194 жыл бұрын
This is possible the most comprehensive explanation I have found on You Tube about tires. Thank you.
@danielallocca77707 жыл бұрын
Thank you for pointing out the bs that is hyped by the tire companies. Even tirerack can barely explain the difference between a $300 Michelin and a $125 Kumho. Their ratings usually deviate by fractional scores and "subjective" measures. Trained drivers on a 2 minute course might be able to squeak out a second or two with a tire swap from the worst to the best. For the average driving enthusiast it's a complete waste
@savagegeese7 жыл бұрын
+Strunz0 Cars call tirerack is an impossible situation they sell every Tire they can't be biased they can't really be straight if something sucks. When you start seeing Tire tests that are literally a quarter second or a half-second off each other it means nothing to the average person namely in a street Tire
@Beer_Dad19757 жыл бұрын
I don't know about that - I recently went from what I thought was a pretty good tyre, a Bridgestone RE003, to a Michelin Pilot Sport 4. The Pilot Sport 4 is vastly superior in the wet - to the point where it brakes almost as well on a soaking wet road than the Bridgestone did on the dry. Given the significant difference in wet stopping difference between the two, I'll be sticking with the Michelin next time too. I think there is definitely a big difference between an average tyre and a high quality one. I think there are possibly diminishing returns as you spend more and more though - you have to find the price point. Also I think the kind of car you drive makes a huge difference - I have a large, heavy powerful vehicle - a smaller, lighter vehicle might get less returns from more expensive tyres.
@Rocheman797 жыл бұрын
Also remember there is more then just lap times tire rack often talks about weather the tire was easy to drive or difficult so for instance the Bridgestone re71r is a great tire for a really skilled driver but for most weekend Warriors that want to go the track the falken rt615k might be better since it is easier to extract more of the tire. Also like mentioned in the video the way a tire operates in a given heat range is also makes big difference even in just one sub category of tires like extreme performance tires or grand touring all seasons tires. Additionally how a tire reacts to wet dry colder cooler hotter and snowy conditions also makes a big difference
@danielallocca77707 жыл бұрын
Christian Roche yes - I think the point is that the differences between the best and worst within a category (like max performance summer) is quite small. This is a highly regulated space and tires all have to conform to standard measures to qualify for each category so the differences are subtle and in some ways come down to taste more than good and bad
@thegroundhurts7 жыл бұрын
I'm an average enthusiast. I shaved almost 6 seconds going to RS-3's from a conti extreme contact.
@jasontodd11412 жыл бұрын
I’ve got a 2016 procharged tacoma and it’s a street racing truck. I wanted uhp sticky summer tires and you changed my mind. Tread life is what I want because it’s not a competition truck and yea but anyway thank you.
@High_Desert_Tanner7 жыл бұрын
I freaking love Savagegeese... only you would have a Lambo pop up in the corner with dolphins on it...
@Dowlphin4 жыл бұрын
Hmmm... I might do that, too. 😄
@DapperDilla6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this...seriously! I've been on the fence and going back and forth for the past month or so, figuring out if I truly needed ultra high-performance summer tires on my DD (IS300 SportX) and your breakdown has helped me reach a conclusion. Looks like I'll be sticking with my Pirelli all-season tires for the foreseeable future.
@MustangGuru5 жыл бұрын
The best tires I have found that gives me all year round traction is the Michelin pilot sport a/s
@exothermal.sprocket4 жыл бұрын
If you're Michelin rich.
@johnoakes344 жыл бұрын
I enjoy going around on and off ramps, so I've always put UHP all seasons on my Chevy cruze LTZ. One of the few things it does well is handle. So I embrace this. I just put on Yokohama Advan Sport as + and I'm in love
@beyer4225 жыл бұрын
You nailed it, it's do true. I did that on a VW I had, I replaced the steel wheel by BBS mags and the P77 all seasons Pirelli by P6 soft compound. The result was impressive almost completely cured under steer and loose rear end but it has been a the expense of all front suspension and direction components and the tires only lasted 20000 Km.
@youcdtube5 жыл бұрын
My FRS handles like a Ferrari with 245/40/17 Yokohama Advan AD08 R tires and Complete suspension mods all around and up and down. Their fantastic. Light weight high strength racing wheels too. The supercharged car will go 160 or more did 140 on highway at 5000 rpm even thanks for this info sir much appreciated. Very true under certain circumstances.
@hugothibeault59415 жыл бұрын
wow! Excellent video. Thanks for the pros and cons. I had not think that a sticky tire would throw more sand and stones on the body of my car.
@StereoSoundAgent6 жыл бұрын
@3:00 Yup! Just buy some Michelin Pilot Super Sport Summers or some 4s and stop watching.
@nigelneale60175 жыл бұрын
Absolutely agree. I spent $40,000 on an SLK and won't stint on cheapies - they're the only contact between you and the road, so buy the best. And don't forget that which most reviewers ignore: I have to buy this car, and I have to make these tyres last. They're all much of a much-ness in the dry, it's the rain that sorts them out and you can't beat Michelin.
@bbee88296 жыл бұрын
You've done an excellent job with your comprehensive, Honest, and straightforward review. Like a TED talk for tires. Thank you, and keep up the great work.
@msbtennis7 жыл бұрын
Slow your roll Goose! Once a week to keep the savages coming back for more fine prints.
@cr4zygoose2016 жыл бұрын
msbtennis You rang?
@SWTrailsAndWheels6 жыл бұрын
Very good points, especially on the accelerated wear of adjacent components which no one ever talks about.
@XenomorphLV4265 жыл бұрын
My RE71R grips fine without heating up. I can get freeway on ramps and roundabouts at very high speeds.
@peterorigenes43582 жыл бұрын
re71r are great in autocross because they don’t need a lot of heat, but they get greasy real fast on the track. A052 similar. So I don’t quite agree with some of this although the sandblast effect and less than 5k expectations yes. Other 200tw and rSpec tires may need a lot more heat, which can be difficult on a light car like a 4C or s2000 and not as much of a problem on a Camaro or Mustang.
@redsonrising7 жыл бұрын
Thank you! This is by far my favorite and the most helpful video I've watched on the SavageGeese channel. I don't comment on YT videos but I had to this time. I've an frs since February and I've been watching the winter tires it came with lose pounds of air pressure daily. Yes, I knew I shudda replaced them but now I'm sure of how stupid it was not to put (at least) all season treads on it last spring. Great video. I love the new fine print series, keep up the great work. (Edit: switched profiles. same opinion, same person)
@snbifb82937 жыл бұрын
I was just telling my friend about tires and some comments you've side, now I have the perfect video to send him, thanks 👍🏽
@hmackprotection17 жыл бұрын
Bro, you mean Starbucks, then Strip club ;)
@heydonray4 жыл бұрын
Dear Sir: You are THE man. Patreon hit on the way.
@setoman15 жыл бұрын
I swapped out my set of summer tires for all-seasons. I found that the new tires have better grip in ALL weather conditions, all the while being $100 cheaper (per tire), and saving on gas.
@TassieLorenzo3 жыл бұрын
If you live in Flordia, South Africa, Australia etc, we don't need all-season tyres thankfully -- summer tyres are fine year round. :)
@setoman13 жыл бұрын
I "could" safely run summer tires where I live, but I don't want to adjust my driving style to the varying weather conditions. Plus, the tires that came with my car (Dunlop Sport Maxx RT) were absolute trash.
@haiboj49797 жыл бұрын
How do you like the 6ULs? How do you like the RS4? I just bought a set for my ND
@woah65537 жыл бұрын
I really like this series already. This is awesome man.
@Glatroz7 жыл бұрын
Would you consider to provide celsius and the metric system too when you display any info for your segments? :) I bet you have a handful of international viewers.
@savagegeese7 жыл бұрын
+Glatroz that was my fault I mean the graphic and I thought to myself I got to add Celsius to it and I just forgot
@Glatroz7 жыл бұрын
Don't worry about it man. Love your channel! Keep up the awesome work! You genuinely provide the best car reviews on KZbin.
@chch2425 жыл бұрын
Another ISO measurements advocate here, please show just a little love to the international viewers :-) thanks.
@mikeyfourbarrel84737 жыл бұрын
100% agree with these points and there were a few I hadn't considered (extra rock chips!) but I will still lean towards the lower treadwear numbers on my cars that get flogged around the back roads. One instance of a panic stop with high performance rubber might just save your ass. But yeah, below 60F these tires start to become useless so even that point goes out the window during the right conditions.
@koston7777 жыл бұрын
@ 2:20 do i see a g80 sport review coming soon?
@gamefoorum4 жыл бұрын
That's nice video .. but it only answered a questions that most of us already knew, I was expecting something like .. if for example Michelin pilot sport 4 have better quality for everyday sporty riding then mid priced tires ..
@aaroneberle59207 жыл бұрын
You could have added oil starvation to the list of potential problems that can arise from using performance tires.
@gigel993246 жыл бұрын
Aaron Eberle what
@matthewyimyam33346 жыл бұрын
What
@doc.voltold42326 жыл бұрын
Alex Gunner increased g-force turning. the oil in your sump gets all splashed on one side, your oil pump cannot pick it up. engine starve for oil. can cause damage. you need to upgrade to a dry sump system or add baffles to your oil pan
@losojosdehotspanish21626 жыл бұрын
Doc. Volt the real world is not a race track though.....
@doc.voltold42326 жыл бұрын
Los Ojos De HotSpanish not with that attitude ;)
@RadRidesByCru5 жыл бұрын
Glad you mentioned tire temperature windows. People don't realize if the surface temperature's under 60 degrees their R compound tires offer less traction than all season tires of the same size. R compound tires on the street also offer less traction than on a track due to unstable temperatures, excessive oil/chemical deposits from other vehicles and a lack of rubber build up on the road surfaces All being conditions race tires weren't meant to operate in.
@Suction_7 жыл бұрын
I believe that buying a name brand over something like westlake or is worth it. I do agree putting sport cup 2's on your 99 civic is an absolute joke, but after some absolute shite tires i've bought for other cars, the extra money is worth it to me. My Scion tC had some Kumho whatevers on it and we're dry rotted so I bought BFG g-force comp2-as rubber (higher end all-seasons) for it and it was night and day. Everything was better, including stopping distance. For ~$20-40 more a tire over the Kumho's, it was worth it.
@savagegeese7 жыл бұрын
+Mythiic I never meant buying garbage bin tires but you highlighted the point spending 30 extra a tire an make a big difference but spending an extra 140 a tire is usually a waste.
@Suction_7 жыл бұрын
savagegeese I know. I just wanted to add my $.02 cents. I'll always spend a few more on a decent brand with good tread wear and temp ratings. For safety and handling purposes
@VxO4fame7 жыл бұрын
all seasons being better? oh god
@Suction_7 жыл бұрын
VxO4fame dryrotted kumho's are pretty terrible
@TassieLorenzo Жыл бұрын
Westlake/Goodride is actually the largest independent tyre manufactuer in China, interestingly enough. (By independent, I mean not associated with or in a joint venture with a foreign brand.)
@Samurai69367 жыл бұрын
Great video. I learned a lot. Been tracking my s2000 for years and never thought about a bunch of your points. Keep them coming!
Blck Mach1 I'm running the newer ExtremeContact Sport and it's been a very good tire to me in autocross. If you got the DW-S rather than DW keep in mind the S is "snow" and it's not going to be as grippy in good conditions as it's standard counterpart. Edit: also the first few hundred miles is within the standard break-in period for tires so it's unfair to judge them that early
@digitalsiler6 жыл бұрын
no
@MattZCanada6 жыл бұрын
DW is probably the most comfortable performance tire...but holy crap the sidewalls are soft
@kojack6355 жыл бұрын
I am. They hold great traction launching even in rain. Not the best for spirited mountain runs, but there are others out there like Indy 500’s
@rightwingsafetysquad98724 жыл бұрын
Michilin Pilot Sport 2S seem to do pretty fantastic for my GTI in the snow. I had no intention of leaving them on all winter, but was pleasantly surprised when it snowed before I had the chance to swap them.
@Thee_Sinner6 жыл бұрын
The temperature talk at the beginning, is that in reference to surface or ambient temperatures?
@savagegeese6 жыл бұрын
Mostly ambient, but surface temps play a huge roll as well.
@JaimeMunozOnline6 жыл бұрын
The temperature he is referring to is neither the road surface temperature nor the ambient temperature, it’s the temperature of the tire compound itself when the tire is in use. If you use the tire at high speed and then brake hard or change direction quickly, the rubber heats up. Since track use involves a lot of braking and directional changes, the tires can have a temperature much higher than either ambient of road surface temperature.
@bremCZ6 жыл бұрын
Jaime Munoz The recommendations for tire application is ambient temperature not operating temperature, because the average person doesn't have the ability to check their tire temps during operation.
@alanramsay06 жыл бұрын
What's farenheight?
@NorbCat5 жыл бұрын
Alan Ramsay - I don't know, but it gets a big fat "F"!
@pksangavaram7 жыл бұрын
Well said. Everything works together. The other thing to mention is that brakes are overworked with stickier tires on the track or aggressive driving.
@Almighty_cornholio7 жыл бұрын
Give me turbowski or give me death
@tomas615987 жыл бұрын
AK rude
@aramiris7 жыл бұрын
you mean the mono syllabic dude?
@DonLee19804 жыл бұрын
Praises for speaking the truth. So much emphasis is put on straight up lap times and g-force meter ratings that manufacturers will put extreme R tires at extreme widths. That's because most people think that the better laptime cars are absolutely better, without knowing any context. A car breaks another lap record with 295 section R compound tires. But in real life driving, that car is NOT going to grip well, NOT going to be very safe especially if it's wet, and likely be worst gripping even in the dry, because driving at mundane road speeds aren't enough to get R compound tires up to temperature. So much for spending so much on the magic tires, and so much for manufacturers claiming their cars are the best (without mentioning that actually it's all in the tires).
@sonotover7 жыл бұрын
What if your street car is FWD and the turbo boost causes any normal tire to go up in smoke every time you accelerate hard in the first three gears? Wouldn't super sticky tires be the best choice to use that power on the street?
@RobertTorres277 жыл бұрын
Sure, but only if you get the tires up to the optimum temperature, which you likely won't do just driving around the streets. A limited slip differential would be more beneficial in most real world scenarios.
@TassieLorenzo7 жыл бұрын
Limited slip differential should be more effective.
@doc.voltold42326 жыл бұрын
i solved that problem on my OPC with a LSD and Pirelli Pzero tires
@miguel300ish6 жыл бұрын
same problem I'm having
@samteks9976 жыл бұрын
Smaller turbo :P
@dangleason90236 жыл бұрын
Some of the best car information on youtube, and the quality, oh man, love your channel!
@dannoyes44937 жыл бұрын
I had no idea there was more than one season... Thanks for the info. Great series - Keep it up! Score - 8.6
@TiagoRuivo7 жыл бұрын
Said it once, and I'll say it again: convert your units to metric also. Your viewers are not only american. Small detail, that makes a big dif.
@RobertTorres277 жыл бұрын
I would bet a larger portion of his audience is American versus non-Americans, so he's appealing to the majority of his viewership. He would know; he has the analytics.
@0tispunkm3y3r7 жыл бұрын
Tiago Ruivo just learn the conversions, it's not that hard and it's useful in normal life to be able to do this.
@alelokox886 жыл бұрын
None in his normal life use imperial system outside the USA... I've seen this ''error'' multiple times, ''don't put metric cus majority of views is from america'' Well is about being smart enough to see in the future market, a lot of people see this kind of videos for advice, and a lot are from Europe or almost all the world, so metric is a MUST. Otherwise, we just change to someone who put it in metric. Is easy to convert? Yeah, it is but is annoying and you lose time and interest.
@RobertTorres276 жыл бұрын
alelokox88 No, it’s not a “MUST”, it’s a choice, and he chooses not to do it. It’s his channel. Also, his subscription base has gone from 25k to almost 90k in a couple of years, so not only are people sticking around, new people are subscribing.
@TiagoRuivo6 жыл бұрын
My comment was only to potentiate his chances. Besides, not even the americans seem to understand their system... pounds, stones, inches, feet... its a fkg mess.
@FusterIsBased7 жыл бұрын
I recently got a set of Pilot Sport 4S tires for my WRX, since I live in a southern state and you can get away with running summer tires year round because it never gets too cold to where you need winter tires. It's my daily driver but I sometimes drive it hard on back roads and I do plan on attending autocross events in the near future. Your info is consistent with the info that Engineering Explained put out, but I do feel like the 4s was not a needless purchase for me personally.
@mlgdoge72887 жыл бұрын
This ridiculous video is sponsored by: the Michelin man.
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt6 жыл бұрын
This guy is overstating the temperature aspect of his argument. Regardless of tire type ( all season, summer, snow) there are some that perform better than others. The all seasons that came with one car I owned were so poor that the abs engaged at all but the most gentle of braking. I put on a good set of summer tires ( Bridgestone) and the and never engaged after that. It didn't matter whether the Bridgestone were cold or hot. And also the Bridgestone had a decent wear rating of I believe it was 400. Very happy with those tires. If you want to believe another guy proclaiming we're all idiots and everything is the same, go ahead. This video is a waste of my time and intelligence.
@MrSunrise-6 жыл бұрын
Hey carlos, the tires that manufacturers supply are *almost* universally cheap crap - even a tiny increment in cost buys big performance gains. I think this video as about the *other* end of the spectrum, where spending gobs more buys you little useful street performance.
@mlibby056 жыл бұрын
My car game with Goodyear Eagle F1 track tires...
@Xander1Sheridan6 жыл бұрын
Exactly. And everyone is saying buy re71 or ps4s, both of which are absurdly over expensive and have competitors that are 80-90% the performance or more for a ton less money.
@hazmatcinemaxxx5 жыл бұрын
I have Firestone indy 500 on a volvo c30 polestar. Saved me from rear ending someone braking to 25mph on the highway. Came within 2 inches of hitting them I have no doubt if I had my stock tires it would of been an accident. Tread wear sucks though im not going to get the 20k miles they advertised.
@Midnightgts10 ай бұрын
Great info! Never thought about the last part with suspension wear and tear.
@petethecarfreak34866 жыл бұрын
Just when I thought your brake line video was fantastic, you gave this to us! Awesome series, keep it up!
@tbone14936 жыл бұрын
Very well done, very accurate information. Your one of the few that provides accurate information responsibly.
@Shoikan4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely AWESOME breakdown. I like the honest assessment weighing the pros and cons of those performance tyres.
@ruedaricardo2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely agree. Ask me why Im in the market for new bump stops.
@Pchassiscurse7 жыл бұрын
This series is amazing. Keep it up man.
@andersholmberg43774 жыл бұрын
You just got the point there. You can get benefits regarding grip by buying an expensive set of tyres, but do you need them? How often do you do a track day? I have never done one.
@JayTac17 жыл бұрын
Good points. I think it's also worth mentioning that extreme summers are more responsive and will also improve braking on the road. Another factor to consider is the feedback and road feel, if you have a sports car why get tires that feel numb. The re71rs for example provide good road feel. So those are some additional benefits they provide in everyday use. Yes, they don't last but certain extreme summers are pretty cheap. The falken Azenis rt615k are a good value buy imo.
@numinous47896 жыл бұрын
Max Performance Summer category for me. I have Michelin Pilot Super Sports, and I LOVE them. They are an awesome all-around tire for my 390/385 (@ the wheels) Mazdaspeed 3. I need grip to put the power down, being FWD. They have also won pretty much every single comparison in their segment ever since they released them.
@Baseshocks5 жыл бұрын
I live in a colder climate, thing about snow vs summer tires is that snow tires optimal range is the cold, so its a soft tire in the cold it acts as a summer tire does in the summer, a summer tire in the cold the rubber gets hard and has much less grip. But if you use those soft tires in the cold in the summer they ware down really fast. All seasons are good in the summer and ok with some snow but your treads must be in good shape for them to be effective in the winter so you ether keep a clean set of all season tires on or swap out for winter tires in the winter.
@dirtyscalper55847 жыл бұрын
Good stuff as always. Thumbs up before even finishing the video!
@G.J.G.P.5 жыл бұрын
Winter/ snow tires not just have a different compound, but also a special profile to provide superior grip on snow/ icie surface compared to all season or summer tires
@ajohn18915 жыл бұрын
I got perelli pzero all season plus tires on my honda civic and I can't complain with the traction
@G.J.G.P.5 жыл бұрын
@@ajohn1891 did you ever compared them side by side? yes, a D still might be ok, but its not an A+. that means a 50 feet/ 15m or more defference in braking dictance from 30mph/50kph to 0. were your all season tire allready gave up, the winter tire still keeps climbing up the snowy hill.
@ajohn18915 жыл бұрын
I used BS blizz for the winter. @ almost 200 per for the perelli's I don't want to test them all year round. Only diff is my pzeros are 235/45 on TLS wheels and the blizz are a 215/45 on SI wheels
@Thunderstormworld4 жыл бұрын
Glad someone have the gutts talk about it, only one problem people wants to brag and show off so this is were tire companies cash in and develop these tires instead of high mileage tires.
@breakawaymotorsports4 жыл бұрын
Good explanation about tires vs temps. If you want the best lap times..you need the best track tires.Cost be damned.Money is what we sacrifice to the speed Gods.
@bobo21865 жыл бұрын
I have the exact same car with RE71 tires. I agree with you on basically everything until the end. Yes you will accelerate wear, but I think the difference is minimal. I'm replacing my first set of RE71s at just a hair over 2000 miles. These miles have been rough, but have noticed no significant wear on other components. Yes it will wear faster if you're tracking the car, but it isn't going to break just because you have grippier tires that you can't really even use to their full potential on the street.
@videomaniac1085 жыл бұрын
I have Bridgestone Potenza S007s on my 370Z and they help the car handle great. They seem to be doing well in not throwing up too much debris and my rear fenders aren't collecting too much tire dust.
@evoviiiyou831 Жыл бұрын
This is an amazing video! Thank you so much SG! I run Toyo R888 in the rear of my C6ZO6 H/C/I and any less traction, and she is worthless 1st and 2nd on the street. Once I get some heat in them or in the summer here in AZ they hook like slicks. These also work pretty well with the Michelin PS4 in the front when high speed on the highway driving to the strip club lol
@zAqRpS135 жыл бұрын
First time viewer here. I appreciate the detail you've provided. Great video